I thought it was just me--but I took my piece off for 3 days and wore a hat since I didn't have work. I am 2 days into the wear--you know when the UH starts to get a bit softer and I have a headache in the front side of my head. It seems that UH fumes or something must seep into my skull because I have a harder time sleeping when I use UH. I am thinking about switching back to BB. Anyone else have this on a recurring basis? The problem is UH is the only thing that keeps my front down. I use ST for the sides and have yet to really figure out ST front. I may go to the convention to learn some new tricks.
I'd steer well clear of the stuff if you suspect it may be causing you such problems.
What other glues have you tried? There's lots of them around, some more potent than others though you may want to give all the hard bonds a miss.
There's a wide selection of toulene free soft bond glues and cream glues on the market.
People on here have had variable results with Base Bond - some swear by it, others have found it pretty useless. I could only ever get a couple of days myself, despite following the instructions religiously.
You know now that you mention it, I had a splitting headache last weekend when I switched to ultrahold...I had been using basebond and various white glues, then decided last minute to give the ultrahold another try. It's been a while since I used it, so I'm suspecting that was the cause of my headache.
Thanks for the warning - I probably wouldn't have made the connection.
Boy, I don't know. I rarely get headaches. Maybe a 2 hour headache once a month. It usually happens when the blood pressure is up. I can't rule out the UH, but it seems like it would be more frequent. I only use about 1/2" all the way around. Body chemistry or after shave or some other chemical may be causing the reaction. Maybe Debbie can suggest something. I haven't tried the St30 tape, but maybe that and just UH in front? Good Luck
Zappa
Ok I tested it without UH and I didn't get as good of a bond with the white glues or BB but I didn't have the headaches. With UH, I get great bond but I also have a headache pretty much every day. I wanted to see what it was like without any glues for 3 days...so I took the piece off during a time I know I wasn't going to the office. F-Monday Night. No headaches at all, felt better, no nagging headache. It isn't like a migraine--it is like a dull headache. I put UT on the front of my scalp and use ST for the rest. ST can also itch..Like I feel like I am frequently itching the upper sides of ST--especially new the crown--but I get used to that..it is the headaches that can be a problem. I stopped UH before because of this but started it again because the white glues caused me to update every 2-3 days...and I got lazy...however due to this circumstance I may go back again.
Anyone else try this out for a week--switch glues and see if you have the dull headache? It is for real. It makes me irritable--and honestly I have been taking advil all this week. I think the headache is worse when weather is warmer because you sweat and glue gets softer.
i used to get them every time with UH but they would only usually last a day or so
i think again it has to do with bonding the whole bald area with the UH. ive not gotten any headaches when i first started with the st30 tape and glue in the front..i mean how much glue are u using in the front. i just cant see a thin layer of UH causing bad headaches in that small area.
u should try the st30 mate its def the way to go. the key thing is that the first two times or so u attach with st30 you wont get as long of a hold because it takes times for all the glue residue to wash off the scalp.
after the first few tape attaches you will see it sticks alot better. also.. its really important that right before u attach with st30 tape.. u take a clean towel and run over it medium agressive to get rid of any possible moisture on the head before u attach.
This message has been edited by thelonghairedman on Apr 17, 2008 7:11 PM
It would be my advise that if you think you are getting headaches from ultra hold to stop using it.
ultra hold has some harsh chemicals in it that make it strong and waterproof. I smell it all day long in the salon and can tell you that if I smell to much of it, yes, the fumes give me a headache. You must use in a well ventilated area and sometimes in the winter, my salon is not as well ventilated. once the UH is dry...there are no more fumes to give the headache....so what you are experiencing is a mystery to me. But again.....if it gives you a headache for days on end....STOP USING IT.
you will simply have to use a less strong glue and reattach more often...simple as that. hassle? yes. but certainly nothing is worth living with a nagging, constant headache is it?
DebbieS.
AS: if your headaches are really coming from UH, it's time for you to quit glues all-together, for a while anyway. Our personal health comes way above everything.
With all due respect to all the wearers I met at different conventions and to all those I have interacted with here on the forum or by email, there is one thing that I never really got: the importance (and obsession for a few) to show a hairline. It's like wearing hair automatically makes it mandatory to show hairline. (???)
We live in an era in which combdown and messy styles are so trendy and popular. There are so many possibilities with it.
Wearing combdown and making the discovery of the st-30 tape made me quit glues totally. It's a feeling of freedom and also a feeling of health.
When I switched to the part to the side haircut instead of spikey not only did it get way easier to manage but I started attracting the more preppy Georgetown, DC girls and it has worked out well for me. Now I am dating one of them. It is kind of like the New England style..just parted to the side and a good length. Before with spikey people look at the hairline more because I exposed all of it..with the new one several girls have said "oh you have a nice full set of hair" if they meet me and I am wearing a hat. I love it! Plus they say you aren't 30--you are 25 and I say no really I am 30.
i think there is definitely something here.
i just started using uh (only in the front)and i have had a frontal headache pretty much every day since. i was wondering if it was from the uh. i have exclusively used mity tite and thought i would give uh a try. i've been essentially miserable since starting using this stuff. the bummer is i also ordered mity tite and was using the brush from the mt in the uh. now using the mity tite still gives the odor and probably the headache again.
ultra hold and mity tight are the exact same ingredients. its just the uh is formulated for stronger hold.
basicly, mity tight is the watered down version of UH. same ingredients, just in different proportions.
DebbieS.
yes Trey, you said it right!! if it doesn't work for you, don't use it. very good words.
you could try using a scalp protector to create a barrier between your skin and the glue also.
DebbieS.
I agree--I don't think it is the fumes--I mean the fumes give you an instant (put the piece on headache) but every day I have a dull headache in the front of my temple. I just took the piece off and conditioned with ADF and took a shower and nap. Suprise I don't feel headachy or itchy...I think the UH absorbs into your scalp...I am going to ST sides and maybe ST front tonight if I can figure it out or BB or another white glue--but not UH and report back. All the rest of you--try another glue and report back to me...I think we all have something here. This last week was warmer and I felt like the UH absorbed even more into my scalp because it got REALLY stick (80s weather). Every day I had the headache and was slightly more irritable as a person. I will report back after change up.
A.S.,
same here.
i'm with you 100 percent. i've been dealingwith the same things. i have been so irritable too. i guess when your head hurts this much for so long, you get a bit nuts.
i redid my front last night with mity tite and already i feel better. i still have a very slight headache which i could attribute to sharing brushes between the uh and the mity tite over the past few weeks. as soon as i get a new mity tite i'm chucking the existing bottle and brush. the uh is gone for good.
live and learn. those who can actually use uh, you are lucky you havent had these reactions.
I am using 3 pieces of ST now for this week so the amount of glue I use is less. What I did is do a new piece of ST across the front. This gives me only 2 inches or so of glue to put on. I do this because I don't know how to curve the ST so really I can't get it exactly to the hairline. The ST on the frontal scalp makes me frontal scalp a bit itchy. Now this is just itchy--it isn't a headache. For the glue- I am using a white cream glue with 1 coating. Result=no hold. The front has completely lifted after 1 day so I am experimenting with BB tomorrow. I seriously can just lift all the area up to the ST without any trouble at all. If BB doesn't work--I am going to go ST all around. One thing I learned from this forum is 3 layers of BB 45 seconds between to get a good hold. My last experiment with this only went 2-3 days...BUT since my new hairstyle is parted to the side and then brushed forward--I may be able to hide even if it lifts.
Let's keep this thread going as people update and try new things to eliminate the UH headache. I am 1 day into wearing and have no headache just an itchy feeling.
AS: you don't know how to curve an ST30 ? It's mandatory that you learn this right away because you will then handle any type.
To curve a tape, you cut smaller pieces for the 'curves' of the piece as you go around, it's the only effective way of doing it and so yes you can do it.
Do it just once and you'll know what kind of small pieces you need for the curves of your piece. We make the curves, don't expect the tape to do it for you.
Hans
This message has been edited by Hansmtl on Apr 20, 2008 8:50 PM
Hans do I stick it to my scalp or to the piece? I guess you also have to make the width smaller so it would be like 4-5 small thinner pieces around to get the front.
AS, there is no need to cut the ST30 into strips to fit the curve of your front hairline. You need to search and find Vo1's method that he posted about 6 months ago. This is how I do it and it is super easy. I get the sides and back attached first, then I mark the front. I just use a pen and place about 5 or 6 small dots around the outline of my hairline. I then clip the front back and apply the ST30 to my scalp following the dots. Once the tape is on I just remove the dots with my finger, then I heat the tape with a hair dryer. I then use the backing that came off the tape to press into the front edge and pull down to eliminate the front edge and also make sure you tap down on the tape with your finger to dull it. Once that is complete,I remove the clip and lay the front down and it should fit perfectly with the tape. If not, I just use a toothpick and a little UH and fix it. To apply the tape, find Vo1's method and he explains it.
sounds like your explanation is really good...use pen to mark line--then stick pieces to scalp directly..what are you heating it up for? better bond? I don't heat up and it seems fine.
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Re: Sounds like
April 21 2008, 7:13 AM
heating the tape will allow you flatten out that edge better and plus the piece will stick better to it. I applied the tape the other night and then had to jump in the shower right after because we were going out (probably should have done the tape after the shower but anyway), when I got out of the shower it had lifted up on one side. The tape was wet, the piece was wet so I took a hair dryer to it and just re-applied and it stuck like magic. I always heat the tape even when applying the tape to the sides and back of the piece, before I attach I just run a hair dryer over it because it makes it stick better. jake and others have mentioned this several times and this is where I got the idea from.
I've done well with perfectly clean scalp and attachment but another tip doesn't hurt..I'll give that a try...I may use scalp protector first as the ST makes me slightly itchy.
2 days wearing ST almost all around
BB 1-2 inches in front
No headaches
Getting slight lift with BB
Going to attempt to get ST even lower. BB doesn't seem like a good thing if you are going to comb hair back or you have a gf or wife that likes to grab hair...unless you comb forward like me. BB hold is not that strong--I used 3 layers and then glue dryer...it is holding ok. Still this seems like the best combination so far. ST is making me itch my scalp on the sides. Going to test Scalp Protector to stop this.
1 week almost all ST--I got ST as far as I could down to the hair line and did a tiny brush of BB for the rest. The BB had to be updated every 2-3 days. Also, I used Debbie's scalp protector product. This def helped lessen the itch of the ST. I also had no headaches the entire week and was not overly cranky. I am going to stick with ST and BB for now.
No, Mr. Burns. St-30 is absoultely NOT the same as ultrahold. the ingredients are NOTHING the same and st-30 does not contain toluene. in fact, there are no harsh ingredients in st-30 at all., which is what makes it such an awesome tape.
DebbieS.
Wow!! Well if that's the case then the tape really is a miracle because after 9 days on mr.burns head it still has a rock solid hold!! That stuff is amazing...
Yes, Mr. Burns..that is why BA calls the st-30 a hair wearers
dream.
It is a good tape and the company responsible for it is very concerned of skin safety.
DebbieS.
Ok so I took a 2 week break and did ST and BB...No headaches. I now tried to do scalp protector and UH for my new attachement with my new piece. I immediately after 1 hour have an UH headache. I will let you all know if it goes away...but I feel like crapola...I think I can never use UH again and have to get much better about getting ST closer to hairline so BB is minimized.
