i just applied knot sealer on a toplace piece and there are no shedding, i am quite happy. but knowing that i need to apply knot sealer regularly, it is kind of troublesome.

my old piece from the MHC is actually done witha double knot... no need to apply knot sealer and I can do a lot of rough styling technique on it...

i am thinking to request to request for double knot and give it a shot on my next piece... do you have any recommendations and suggestions for me beforehand? -Thanks all.

double knot on a lace base? it's not a choice,single knot is hard enough to bleach out,just think how hard a double knot would be, and you would absolutly feel the knot's when touching the hair,, they look like a (ball) at the base and in my 20 plus year's of wearing, are a lot more prone to shedding, because of that big knot,easley combed loose,,, guyc

Do u think a mono base would be more durable? with a lace front?

yes, a mono base would be more durable. it would also be more detectable.
DebbieS.

that1guy wrote:
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double knot on a lace base? it's not a choice,single knot is hard enough to bleach out,just think how hard a double knot would be, and you would absolutly feel the knot's when touching the hair,, they look like a (ball) at the base and in my 20 plus year's of wearing, are a lot more prone to shedding, because of that big knot,easley combed loose,,, guyc
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Either y'all don't look at your lace units or you're somehow getting units from the factory made vastly different then they make mine.
Every unit that I've gotten from TL, even these at 50% ~ 55% density are double knotted most everywhere except at the front.
You know, don't you, that a "double knot" is simply two hairs that are knotted such that there are four hairs coming out of the knot.
At any rate, you can't feel 'em, they bleach out ok and they don't shed.
I've NEVER had a unit shed like so many here seem to. Don't know what some of you are doing differently except maybe shampoo'ing and conditioning more often then me (which I do only rarely), and combing the unit while the hair is really wet.





Fred (StealthTJ)

sorry fred, but i can see those double knot's in some of your pic's posted

also, a double knot is (not) 2 hair's knotted into 4, a double knot, is just that, looped twice at the tie down point instead of once,

John / BA: can you guys step in and explain what kind of unit toplace is offering?

As far as I know, a double knot is tying the knot twice per hair... and I didn't know toplace is already doing it because my very first unit, without using knot sealer, shed madly and I was told by my stylist that I should ask for double knot instead. Any clues?

I never tried mono before. but i heard that the knots dont even have to be bleached on the base.. that they are hidden. And perhaps they can tie sturdier knots. of course i would use a lace front

I used mono bases for several years during the late 90's. I had bleaching issues even then, so I can't say that mono solves that problem entirely. Also, it is a thicker, coarser, less comfortable material. I was able to tolerate it fine, but some people complained it was itchy. Think i-lace material. My biggest problem was it never fully contoured to my scalp, making it a little more detectable to the eye and considerably more detectable to touch.

tig wrote:
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sorry fred, but i can see those double knot's in some of your pic's posted
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Post up the photos and mark where you think that you see 'em.

Any knots visible are simply not bleached.
For some reason the last few units that I've gotten had basically none of the knots bleached.
I think BA may have that worked out with the factory now.
Anyway, some photos were taken before I bleached the knots.
A double knot will bleach out.

AS far as I can tell, looking at some of the knots back when I first got this last unit that I'm current wearing, none of the knots are double knotted, but almost all of them, with the exception of those right at the front hairline, are multihair knotted (2 or more hairs knotted as one).
Those can be fairly visible and are harder to bleach.




Fred

tig wrote:
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also, a double knot is (not) 2 hair's knotted into 4, a double knot, is just that, looped twice at the tie down point instead of once,
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Which is true, however many people refer to double knots as two hairs knotted such that four hairs emerge from the knot. Not technically correct, but pretty widely used none the less.
A single hair, double knotted, isn't really much more visible than a single hair single knotted.
I'd be interested to see if BA responds regarding if the factory will do double knotting for the same price, as it involves a fair amount more labor.



Fred (StealthTJ)

I hope we all agree that a durable (as in less shedding) unit are very important to wearer... we don't want to look different every week going to work... i know one of the co-worker is starting to suspect me.. he always stare at my hairline when i talk to him... bastard... !!

Emery: when someone looks at your hairline that way more than once, you should see it as an opportuniy to see what's wrong and see what you can improve upon immediately.

Really, look at it as a gift from life

Hans

yes Emery, Hans is sooo right. if you truly believe he is looking at your hairline like that, something is amiss and you simply need to take an objective look at things and see what needs to improve.
usually, more durable means also more detectable. this is why I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the #64 french lace, you get durability (albeit not as durable as mono) and undetectability in one. Its a win, win unit to have in my opinion.
mono is a bit of a thing of the past...we've come a long way and the factories and TOPLACE have made great advances in materials.
DebbieS.

i think alot of you people need to all have your heads examined!!!
the amount of problems people have on this forums is simply unreal!!
even in my earliest days i did not have the problems that some people have here. and the way i see it.. you really should be clued up after your first piece!
ive read some posts recently from people about complaining about the absolute silliest things. from this whole double knot shedding business alone. let me comment.

ive had pieces that ive worn for 8 months and man i treat them rough. i wash them and condition most every day! i comb the **** out of them! style them with gels, molding creams, hair spray, etc and im not ultra careful when i detach. (moderately careful if you want to be exact)

the pieces shed from time to time but not drastically.

bleaching the knots... the way people describe it on this forum makes it sound like you are performing plastic surgery!

i bleached knots once and all i did was buy some blond hair color at the store and it worked great.

ba let me tell you, mate you are a saint for having to deal with some of the people on this forum.

of course nothing personal to anyone here, im not syaing anyone is a bad person.. the forum is a wealth of information for people, but im just saying to you all,

lighten up a bit and stop letting a hairpiece rule your life!

Dom,
I'm so glad you put this thing in perspective. BA and I constantly looking at a lot of factories and evaluating their product. Even at the Orlando convention I was wearing a piece from another factory that I was trying out and rating. The factory that we have is the best we've found--period. No factory is perfect. If they're producing a custom made product that requires thousands of hand tied knots there is going to be some discrepancies. I wish somebody would put Farrell's products under a microscope like they do ours---maybe that's why he doesn't have a public forum.