I read the post here somewhere by BA that ST-30 is designed for use in "theatres". I don't exactly know where or how in theatres, but the next logical question that comes to my mind is - Is it safe to use for extended period of time?

I know, the answer would revolve around nobody has done any research on this etc. But probably knowing exactly where it's used in theatres and what is chemical composition of that glue would be helpful I guess in narrowing down the possibility of it being harmful, so we can probably do our own research on it and find out?

Another logical question is, has anybody ever had any rashes or redness of some sort when wearing piece with ST-30?

In my humble opinion, the only allowable tapes for skin should be the ones used in surgical rooms etc. but I may be wrong?

Say what you all?

Yes on the skin in theatres, Next question ?

Regards BA.

hehehe YEah right, I think you need to relax.

I'm sure some of this stuff we use isn't 100% safe in every way for us, but neither is a lot of the make up women use, the hair sprays we use and breathe in, the pollution we breathe every day and the myriads of other 'dangers' we encounter in live everyday.

Been using st 30 myself for a longtime, no problems.

Should do a patch test anyway.

BA has been using all this hair stuff sprays and glues and tapes and god knows what else for a long time now. He aint' turned to an alien yet, dats good enough for me.

Sam

come on guys....I'm not going to sell ANYTHING that is not approved for skin use...that is a fact!!!!
so lets not be irresponsible and post in big letters "ST-30 DANGEROUS?" I thought most on this forum would know me better than that by now and I find the post insulting at best. If it is not approved for skin use, you will not see it on my website, ok? let's get that clear right now.
It is MADE FOR SKIN USE AND APPROVED FOR SKIN USE, BA's post about it being made for theater use is true...it has the same approvals as any hairpiece tape for skin use.

DebbieS.

Let's chill out all, okay? And I am not saying you're selling a product that isn't safe! I thought it was a fair question. Let's not have a hissy fit and throw on our best paroxysmal hysterical tantrum!

It was just a fair question and the topic is: ST-30 dangerous QUESTION MARK or whatever you Yankees call this '?'

When I read things like...

To my knowledge, there have been no studies on the safety of prolonged use of adhesives on the skin. Until proper studies are available, you use these adhesives at your own risk. By purchasing these items, you understand and accept these risks
I understand and accept the risk of any adhesive I purchase...

on a website, the least bit of right I have is to question whether the product I am using is safe or not and won't be carcinogenic? It's not like the ST-30 tapes come with the 'ingredients' list on it that I can look it up myself! It's only fair, is what I think.

Debbie is the real deal.Yes she sells products but at least she is honest 100%
about what she sells.Show her the respect she shows you.Do you think BA would trust
anyone else help him with his hair in the back of his head?
Is water you drink DANGEROUS?The crap they grow food in,is that DANGEROUS?
Lomg term,what happens?
Debbie helps many here and in private,if needed.

i just want to say propecia is approved by FDA for human ingestion. but is it really safe? i think people from this forum can tell you the truth more than anybody else.

st-30 is approved (by who?) for skin use, i am sure there will be no problem using it in the short term (as in 5, 10 yrs).. but if we continue to use it for 30 yrs or more, who knows if it is safe or not. nobody can answer you. maybe you will develop some weird disease, but it is a risk for yourself to take.. and it goes for ALL bodning adhesive, not just st-30.

it is a risk for yourself to take.. and it goes for ALL bodning adhesive, not just st-30.

Not to mention hair dye, which evidence shows might increase the chance of getting some rare types of cancer.

If you really want to increase your chance of living longer, though, don't smoke, exercise, eat heathy, maintain a healthy weight, and eliminate most forms of refined sugar from your diet -- especially corn syrup.

- Darius

I think that it is a legitimate question. ST-30 approved by whom? It is not an issue of whether BA or Debbie BELIEVE that it is ok or not. Of course they do believe it is ok. However that is not an objective study. Hence the legitimate question.

I, for one like ST-30, but since using it I have a large bump on my noggin where ST-30 caused a red ulcer-type wound that to date still has a large lump (after two months) that does concern me and that I am going to have examined by a skin doctor.

IMO rather than taking such a question as an 'attack' on someone's integrity it s/b addressed as a legitimate issue.

Maxx

"Let's chill out all, okay? And I am not saying you're selling a product that isn't safe! I thought it was a fair question. Let's not have a hissy fit and throw on our best paroxysmal hysterical tantrum"

Whos the one having a hissy fit ? Go back and read your post.

If you are going to question ST30 you may as well question every tape and glue known to man that is used in this hairwearing game, As it comes under the same categorie, When you have done all the studies please let us all know.


Regards BA.

Not too concerned myself regarding ST-30, I do expect the leader of the board (such as BA and Debbie) to provide a more informative answer to this question

In response to the original question:
"Another logical question is, has anybody ever had any rashes or redness of some sort when wearing piece with ST-30?"

My answer is yes. I decided to wear ST30 for 2 weeks, and after that period I took the tape off, washed my head, shaved my head, and noticed that on one side of my head the skin was red, and started to bleed/seep as I was shaving it. Now, I don't know what caused this... maybe I was extra harsh when washing my head or shaving it. Maybe I peeled the tape off too rough, and caused this to happen to my skin.

Since then I have decided to wear ST30 for 10 days max. It holds briliantly. But sometimes I will go back to all i-glue to give my scalp a break.

I have used MANY tapes that have given me a rash and also some of the poly bases have also, I just discarded them and never used them again, It will almost certainly boil down to body chemistry and nobody can say with 100% certainty everything is ok, Thats why some people get a allergic reaction to some foods and others dont, You have to use your own discretion using anything and that will obviously include tapes and glues,etc,etc and that is posted on Debbies website.

Regards BA.

Let's get real here. I know people that have an allergic reaction to certain types of laudry soap and they don't have warnings on their labels. Some people have allergic reactions to fish, peanuts, etc. and they don't have warning labels. We could ask 'Is eating peanuts dangerous?' 'Is eating fish dangerous?' Let's use a little common sense. We all have a different body chemistry.

I have to agree w/the original poster on this. I do not and have never understood the defensive reaction when one questions the safety of products that go on your skin. It seems like a legitimate question to me.

The answers do show that more than just a few people have had reactions and that was the QUESTION of this topic.

What I find bad is that the makers of these products insist on hiding the ingredients. No-one is asking them to reveal their 'secret' formula, just what is in them. After all it is not like corporations never lie about the safety of their products. I think enough corporations have lied enough times that it is not unreasonable to question.

lol there goes max with the evil fascist corps lol. jk. I kind of agree as well when it comes to ingredients etc. Like BA has mentioned this is not an exclusive st30 question, but a question on all tapes/glues.

Some people are using these products on their skin 24 hours a day for years. Too much of anything might be bad for you, but I wonder how bad. I have no idea. My guess it might be very minimal. But no one really knows. I dont think this posters question was an attack on Debbie.

but by law, if they use toxic ingredients, dont t hey have to report it? Ex. toluene? Most Ultrahold has a warning on it. I dunno. I guess I do agree with the poster and max in the sense that for a product you use 24 hours a day, u should know exactly what is in it. Cant see why laws applying to foods, toothpaste haircream, gels etc etc. have to follow this rule but these glue/tape manufactorers dont.

So Maxx why doesnt the poster just E-mail Debbie and ask for MSDS breakdown ? I mean it aint hard is it ?

No he has to post on this forum and start a lot of nonesence.

So if anyone wants to know about the ingredients of tapes and glues just E-mail Debbie, End of.

Regards BA.

Debbie knows the ingredients in the blue tape by any chance? Im only asking cause i thought the manufacturers dont give the info out. I guess i was mistaken. Only thing id care to know about any product is if it had some kind of known bad stuff in it. like toulene or something like that.

My guess is air pollution and microwaves are probably more dangerous heh.

well i am interested to find out the ingridient of the tape too... and now you get me concerned about the product i m using as well.

from the post by debbie, ba, and john, you can probably conclude yourself how much we know about the tapes. i dont think debbie make the tape herself right? just bought some factory in China, and my guess is the ingridient is highly similar to super tape except for a very very small tweak.

regardless, looking at the bright side, with a toplace, you dont need to worry about developing weird disease 50 yrs later by intaking propecia, imo, that is even worse.

also for the guy who is having a numb and red bruise on your skin, i definitely think that you are peeling too hard ... try to peel things off more gently.

This is not an attack on the author, it is my editorial. I get amusement from many of the responses on the forum and this topic is always one of them. Maybe it is because I am a bit older and my remaining years are closer to the end of my life than the beginning, but every chemical in everything that we come in contact with will have an adverse effect on one of us. I can't brush against my animals in the summer without getting contact dermatitis (poison ivy, sumac, oak), but I have never had skin irritation from any of the glues, tapes or other products that I have purchased based on the recommendations of this forum. I am one of those people that does not worry too much about the long term effect of most daily items. Vanity always has a price. They have thoughts that the aluminum powder used in eye shadow several years ago may be linked to alzheimers and cooking certain foods in metal cookware releases lead into food and if you leave an open can of veggies or soup in the fridge the lead will leach into the product. And did you know that most fabrics that you wear are treated with formaldehyde to keep them stiff during the process of cutting and sewing into garments. Of course the government regulates the "acceptable" level which changes from country to country and by our own regulaters whenever the mood hits. If you take it out of the bag and put it on..Guess what? Transference and skin irritation. How about those new shirt collars guys? This is kind of fun being a distributor of weird knowledge, but I will stop there with my point being that the only way to live a real safe life is to live in a church and eat bran muffins all day. It's all a personal thing and we can only do what is comfortable for us based on our knowledge and acceptance level of risk.
Take care - Zappa

Zappa

I have MSDS sheets on file as required, if anyone wants a copy of one, all they have to do is email me and I'd be more than happy to email them one.
DebbieS.

"I have MSDS sheets on file as required, if anyone wants a copy of one, all they have to do is email me and I'd be more than happy to email them one.
DebbieS"

Instead of some loon posting a thread with the title
"ST30 DANGEROUS"

I despair at times.


Regards BA.

While Debbie's at it, could she send me the MSDS on non-stick pans? I hear that those things will kill all your pet birds. And plastic water bottles too. Oh, also, I could use the MSDS for my kitchen knives. I've started to worry that I might cut my finger and get gangrene. I need the MSDS for the chance of that happening. One can't be too careful!

I am not a loon and no I am not going to engage in jejunely name calling. All I have to say is that, we're all old enough not to have these puerile outbursts.

The reason why I am questioning ST-30 is because that is the ONLY tape I have used. I can't & won't question something I haven't used!

Calling people lunatic just because they question a product that obviously comes unlabelled, is downright petty. And no, I didn't and shall not write directly to the seller because I didn't want the sellers' opinion - I don't think she wears and even if she does that's just her and not everybody else's experience!

It's a simple 'what has your experience been' question. Saying absurd things like 'next question' is farcical. I have no next question! It is not like I have composed and am running cue cards of questions. One must always give chances for anybody else who wishes to respond! It's a forum and not a one-on-one interview with your team(I have no suicidal ideations!). To make matters worse, people who did respond were all attacked with a similar cockamamie theory!

Attack me as much as you want, psychologically, I would call all of the above responses from your team as "defence" mechanisms and frankly that has me more concerned than relieved. My whole idea of writing on this forum was to feel relieved by exchanging point of views! Not just know of "A" point of view. The whole idea of having a forum is, so people can exchange ideas and share experiences. It's not as if people would stop buying tapes or glues. Whenever any new product comes on the market, one must know what are the precautionary measures that have been in place before putting it on the market.

I won't write to anybody to ask for what kind of chemicals/materials are used in the tape. I think after all this discussion, the seller must be forthright and see that there is generally quite a bit of an interest in knowing what the tape comprises of.

Oh and by the way just because "it is used in theatres" and "on skin" doesn't mean it's safe! And theatre use might be for a couple of hours not for a fortnight as how we're using it! I am not trying to create a hoopla here, it's a fair question. I don't know what the brouhaha is all about!

I hear ya, Y3ahright, but to be honest, you're never going to get a straight answer because nobody knows. Many of the medicines that are "guaranteed" safe by the FDA are, in fact, ludicrously dangerous, despite many millions of dollars in testing. For things that aren't ingested, a company might, if you are lucky, stick the stuff in a rabbit's eye and see if it dies within the hour. Things that you don't ingest are barely regulated at all, and the only way such things ever get regulated is once it is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are directly responsible for many thousands of deaths. And even if they are directly responsible, it's likely that nothing will be done. I mean the government can't even now get it's act together over global warming. And even if the government and corporations did have their act together, if something was terribly dangerous, it's quite likely that no no one will ever make the correlation, and even if they did, the corporations would cover it up.

Any guarantee that you receive from any company on the safety of their supposedly approved tape is worth the paper it's printed on. I know someone, for instance, who nearly died from blood poising from the dye used in his jeans.

Despite all of this, you are much more likely to get run over by a car or die from eating fatty foods and sugar (or even get cancer from carcinogenic mold in peanut butter), than you are to ever become sick from any topical product that isn't laced with cyanide. (Grecian Formula notwithstanding, since its main ingredient is lead acetate.) So if you want to do a cost benefit analysis of the potential harmful things in your life, you should probably pay most attention to your diet and fitness. And don't use Grecian Formula. And get your house tested for radon.

- Darius

Oh, and just in case you don't believe me that peanut butter is naturally carcinogenic, here's a citation from Consumer Reports:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/consumer-protection/consumer-interest/consumer-reports-deadly-pet-food-106/index.htm?resultPageIndex=1&resultIndex=1&searchTerm=aflatoxin

Note that peantus are prone to contamination with aflatoxin. Now look up aflatoxin in wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aflatoxin

"Aflatoxins are toxic and among the most carcinogenic substances known."

Just trying to do my best to make everybody feel safer,

- Darius

Darius, the conclusion you are trying to draw doesnt make sense to me. Dog food was not made the same way as peanut butter human being consume. The peanut butter we eat are manufactured in regulated factories with safty inspection wherea dog food can be processed anywhere. I dont believe the food we eat everyday are contaminated, unless it is made in China.

Have u hear report of people using topical dht inhibitor such as revivogen (i assume everybody knows what this) cause the dht level in their blood to be lower? what i want to say is, altho we are apply tape in our skin, we are absorbing some of those chemical everyday.

for sure st-30 is not toxic otherwise we would all be dead by now. but the long term effect is still unknown and we are the first batch of white mouse to test it.

" I dont believe the food we eat everyday are contaminated, unless it is made in China."

Emery i lived in Taiwan for 9 years, and ate out more than 5 days a week. Only every got sick a hand full of times. The notion that food has a higher chance to be contaminated just because it comes from China is ridiculous.

Sam

Y3ahright;
I wasn't offering my opinion, I was offering the MSDS sheet(manufacturers safety data sheet) from the manufacturer on the product.
I cannot give you any more than that, that is all there is unfortunately, that is why I have the disclaimer (that you copied and pasted in your post) on my website.
nobody can guarantee you anything...I truly wish I could, but I can't. what I CAN give you is the manufacturers information on the product you use, just email me. I am serious when I say that I am more than happy to email it out to you.
when I first started selling the tape, I emailed out dozens of them....I certainly don't mind mailing you one also.
DebbieS.

Darius, the conclusion you are trying to draw doesnt make sense to me.

That's because you don't read as voraciously as I do. A number of years back, Consumer Reports announced that virtually all brands of peanut butter were unsafe, with the potential exception of Jif. Even then, they recommended limiting peanut butter to once a week. Due to their story, the situation might have improved for other brands (on the weeks that the government inspectors come to visit), but it certainly doesn't help the situation, for instance, where you get fresh-ground peanut-butter at Whole Foods. There's no aflatoxin inspector there.

Dog food was not made the same way as peanut butter human being consume. The peanut butter we eat are manufactured in regulated factories with safty inspection

You sure do place a lot of trust in the industrial/military/government oligarchy, don't you? I can assert for sure, however, that any health threat generated by a large corporation is evaluated on one basis alone: How much will it effect their bottom line if they get caught.

altho we are apply tape in our skin, we are absorbing some of those chemical everyday.

for sure st-30 is not toxic otherwise we would all be dead by now. but the long term effect is still unknown and we are the first batch of white mouse to test it.

This same thing is going to be true for any tape. It's not as if the FDA has to approve any of this stuff. And even if they did, it would be virtually meaningless. At best it would mean that it wouldn't kill you instantly. You have no assurances whatsoever that any tape or glue won't give you cancer 20 years from now. On the other hand, you have no assurances about that with your peanut butter either.

- Darius

This thread went into crazy tangents lol. Debbie says she has the info if you are interested. then u can google whatever ingredients is listed and do some research on that. Hopefully none of us get cancer :-\.

About China. I dont mind buying hair from china, but i wouldn't really want my food from there do to many inherent factors that I do not care to get into.

I am not a loon and no I am not going to engage in jejunely name calling. All I have to say is that, we're all old enough not to have these puerile outbursts.

The reason why I am questioning ST-30 is because that is the ONLY tape I have used. I can't & won't question something I haven't used!

Calling people lunatic just because they question a product that obviously comes unlabelled, is downright petty. And no, I didn't and shall not write directly to the seller because I didn't want the sellers' opinion - I don't think she wears and even if she does that's just her and not everybody else's experience!

Not a loon ? Who was it who wrote the bloody thread with ST30 tape DANGEROUS ? What you want us to say ? Yeah IT IS we have all got all kinds of diseases from it but we are all going to continue to using it, Honestly you couldnt make it up, So I tell you to get all the MSDS information from the ONLY person who has it which is Debbie and you then reply

" I didn't and shall not write directly to the seller because I didn't want the sellers' opinion - I don't think she wears and even if she does that's just her and not everybody else's experience"

No mush you just want to hear what you want to hear and not take sound advice, Well if thats the case, do one son you aint welcome on here, As thats what we give out "ADVICE"


Regards BA.

I get a red rash in front but not on the mid and back. I use BB on the front now.

Oh, why Agent, why did you have to bring ugliness to the surface again

I have to say, this is the most entertaining post Iv read in along time, thanks guys!

The original poster? You are an obsolute bell end mate, FACT!

All you have to do is send an email to Debbie. You had all that time on your hands to write all those daft responces, it could all be so easy. But no, you just love a good old fight dont you? We'v had so many of your type come and go on here over the years. The good ones are the long timers. Thats cos they are plesant people..see? The bellends dont last long, never do, never will

I thought you were BA at first. seems we have a lot of BA clones in here

yeahRight, I think you have all the rights to question ST-30. Maybe you should have stated a milder topic title though to avoid instant flaming.

I also wouldn't mind having a look at that MSDS as I would like to do some research on ingredients used in ST-30.

Debbie, please email me at:

gtt4eva@hipsi.net

Thanks

No mate he should have done like you and got the relevant information from the ONLY person who has it, Which is Debbie like I told him to.

Regards BA.