Quote:MİLGEM'e Kardeş Ortak
Pakistan, savaş gemisi üretimi için Türkiye ile işbirliğine hazır.
TÜM HABERLER
Tasarım ve entegrasyonu ile tamamen milli kaynaklarla hayata geçirilen milli gemi projesi MİLGEM, kardeş ülke Pakistan'ın gündeminde.
Kendi gemisini üretmek isteyen Pakistan, bu alanda Türkiye ile işbirliğine hazırlanıyor.
Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri, dünyadaki güçlü donanmalar arasında ilk sıralarda yer alıyor ancak envanterdeki savaş gemileri milli üretim değil.
MİLGEM projesi ise Türk Donanması'na, tamamıyla milli, üstelik sınıfının en gelişmiş savaş gemilerini kazandıracak.
Proje, Birleşik Arap Emirlikleri'nin Başkenti Abu-Dhabi'de düzenlenen IDEX-2007 Savunma Sanayii Fuarı'nda ilgi odağı oldu.
Kardeş ülke Pakistan da, Türkiye'nin Milli Gemi projesiyle yakından ilgileniyor.
En az 4 savaş gemisi üretmek isteyen Pakistan, ilk gemiyi Türkiye'de, diğerlerini ise Karaçi'de inşa etmeyi hedefliyor.
Türkiye Pakistan'a tasarım ve malzeme konusunda destek olacak.
Translation: Milgem recieves interest from a Brother country...
Pakistan is ready to join the Milgem( Milli Gemi= National Ship ) project.
The design and development of Milgem has been funded by SSM and has been developed by Turkish Engineers under respected national companies. Pakistan has been wanting to desing it's own ships for sometime now and is seeking co-peration with Turkiye on this issue.
Milgem has drawn alot of attention on IDEX-2007 in UAE and Pakistan has been following Milgem real close.
Pakistan has a requirement for 4 corvettes and wants the first ship to be built in Turkiye while the rest in Karachi Ship Yards.
Turkiye would help Pakistan on designs and components of the ships. Turkiye is yet to summit her offer to Pakistan this month and Pakistan'i officials should be visiting Turkiye shortly after in the upcoming months...
Pakistan already has ordered 4 Mrtp-33 with Harpoons and has Mrtp-15 armed with MG
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Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 20 2007, 9:26 PM
nice..hopefully we wil get some transfer of technology in ship building from oiur turkish friends.
Made in Pakistan: SSG Commandos, Ghauri 3 Nuclear Missile, Al-Khalid Tank & JF-17 Fighter Aircraft
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- Eizer Weizman, Chief Of Israeli Air Force during the six day war, commenting on Air Marshal Noor Khan (Commander PAF at that time)
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 21 2007, 12:34 AM
Quote:nice..hopefully we wil get some transfer of technology in ship building from oiur turkish friends.
Babur Missile = Turkish Milgem maybe??
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Location: Cyprus July 20th, 1974
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"Whoever prepares for peace, let him prepare for war!"
"In peace sons burry their fathers, but in war fathers burry their sons."
Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to Mankind!
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 21 2007, 5:14 AM
Milgem, from the Turkish words Milli Gemi (National Ship), is the name of the Turkish corvette program; the purpose of which is to build a modern corvette with indigenous capabilities. Construction of the first Milgem class corvette, TCG Heybeliada, began on 26 July 2005. TCG Heybeliada will be put to sea on 23 August 2007 and is scheduled to be completed by 25 October 2010, when it will start undergoing full sea trials before being officially commissioned. A total of twelve Milgem class corvettes will be built for the Turkish Navy, with possible exports to other countries.
Quote:Technical specifications of Milgem
Main systems used on Milgem
Displacement: 2,000 t
Dimensions: 99.00 m x 14.40 m x 3.75 m
Propulsion: 1 gas turbine, 2 diesels, 2 shafts, 30,000 kW
Economic speed: 15 knots
Maximum speed: 29+ knots
Range: 3,500 nautical miles @ 15 knots
Endurance: 21 days with logistic support, 10 days autonomous
Sensors: 3D search radar, X-Band radar, fire control radar, navigation radar, LPI radar, sonar
Electronic warfare: EW radar, Laser/RF systems, ASW jammers, DG
Navigation and communication systems: Electronic Navigation, SatCom, ECDIS/WECDIS, GPS, LAN
Fire control: G-MSYS (Genesis Milgem Sava? Yönetim Sistemi)
Navigation and ship control: EPK?S (Entegre Platform Kontrol ve ?zleme Sistemi)
Cannons: 1 x 76 mm (guidance by fire control radar and electro-optical systems), 2 x 12.7 mm (guidance by Laser/IR/TV and
electro-optical systems, automatic and manual modes)
Missiles: 8 x Harpoon Missile, 21 x RAM (Rolling Airframe Missile) PDMS
Torpedoes: 2 x 324 mm Mk.32 triple launchers for Mk.46 torpedoes
Aviation: Hangar and platform for S-70-B2 SeaHawk ASW helicopters and/or unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV), with the capability of storing armaments, 20 tons of JP-5 aircraft fuel, aerial refueling (HIRF) systems and maintenance systems
Crew: 93 including aviation officers (with accommodation for 104)
Construction of the first Milgem class corvette (TCG Heybeliada) was started on 26 July 2005.
First sea trials of TCG Heybeliada are scheduled for 23 August 2007.
Initially 12 Milgem class corvettes shall be built, with option for more vessels in the future.
Future applications
There are plans of adding a Mk.41 VLS (Vertical Launching System) which is capable of firing ESSM (Evolved Sea Sparrow), VLA (Vertical Launch Anti-Submarine Rocket), and Standard missiles, using Milgem corvettes as a testing platform for the new class of indigenous multirole frigates of the Turkish Navy, known as the TF-2000 programme. The experience and technological know-how gained with the Milgem project will play an important role in determining the design characteristics and the development process of the TF-2000 frigates, as well as the selection of the systems and equipment which will be used on these ships.
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Location: Cyprus July 20th, 1974
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"Whoever prepares for peace, let him prepare for war!"
"In peace sons burry their fathers, but in war fathers burry their sons."
Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to Mankind!
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 21 2007, 5:52 PM
i follow military news with keen interest, but even till now i fail to understand the roles and responsibilities or you may call differences between a corvette, frigates and a destroyer? can someone take some time out to explain it on this forum.
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 21 2007, 8:22 PM
Quote:The indian navy must be in a panick.lol
We should order more ships for Turkish Republic of Turkish Cyprus, eh?
Make no mistake guys, four corvettes can seriously boots PN capabilities in terms of speed( faster than frigates ), packs as much firepower as a frigate and they're cheap and effective for their jobs.
Excellent choice by Pakistan
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Location: Cyprus July 20th, 1974
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"Whoever prepares for peace, let him prepare for war!"
"In peace sons burry their fathers, but in war fathers burry their sons."
Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to Mankind!
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 22 2007, 1:25 AM
I suppose 4 corvettes is better than nothing.
In all honesty though i think pakistan has lost the naval arms race with india.does pakistan have nuke subs or the qty for that matter?what about carriers & a naval aviation element of indian size & quality?
dont have to like it but living in denial does you no service
& elturco,as far as millgemming occupied cyprus, go ahead
a wasteful exercise indeed.we cypriots know t/cyps arnt our enemy but rather turkey is both cyps enemy,turkeys policies towards the islandprove this on a daily basis
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 22 2007, 1:41 AM
Great news! 4 Milgems will definitely serve as a force multiplier on top of those MRTP class stealthy fast attack boats with Harpoons. Those were the smallest naval platforms ever to bear Harpoon missiles. You combine Harpoon's firepower, MRTP series' attack speed and stealth characteristics, and you get yourself a platform that's in a sense more dangerous and effective than a frigate. And let's not forget, Milgem's primary design criteria was submarine hunt, it's advanced ASW capabilities WILL give our Pakistani friends the upper hand under the water.
If the deal gets signed, expect India to dramatically increase the number or weapon range of its surface combattants to counter the Milgem threat.
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Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 22 2007, 2:49 AM
Didn't Pakistan order 4 New Frigates from China? P-22 was it?
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Location: Cyprus July 20th, 1974
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"Whoever prepares for peace, let him prepare for war!"
"In peace sons burry their fathers, but in war fathers burry their sons."
Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to Mankind!
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 22 2007, 5:32 AM
Quote:4 more greek frigates with NATO standards. Three more marlin subs...and lot more to come hahahahahahahaha......watch out...
oh i didnt knew ..u were sayng abt the future..
o yea we r getting some too
Submarines
6+ scorpene subs
1 ATV(may be 4 more)
underevaluation by navy
6+ amurs or U 214s(probably amurs)
2 Akulas
Aircraft carrier
INS Vikramaditya-->commissioning by 2008
Guided-Missile Destroyers
Kolkatta class destroyers-->1 launched + 2 more projected
Guided-Missile Frigates
Project 17A Class--------> 7 projected(he RFI has been issued to numerous European and Russian shipyards.The vessel is expected to incorporate the latest stealth features along the lines of the La Fayette design.
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P17 {Shivalik} Class --->3 launched
Modified Krivak III Class ---->3 on order
Guided-Missile Corvettes
Project 28--->1 being built + 3 more projected
hope this will be enuf...
JAI HIND
This message has been edited by hindusthan on Feb 22, 2007 5:37 AM
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 23 2007, 3:30 AM
Well India does have a coast that is 7 times bigger than Pakistan's? Only suitable that it have a bigger navy to deal not only with Pakistan, but other rivals such as China. However I would not discount the Pakistan Navy, it only has a fraction of coast to defend. Besides the 4 F-22P light frigates, 4 Milgem corvettes and 3 new SSKs, the PN will also order 4 new frigates - either the Type-054A or MEKO. That is about 12 major surface combatants; 6 modern AIP-equipped SSKs; 16 MRTP-33, Quwaat and Jalalat Class missile boats; 10 P-3C Orion, 3 P-3B Hawkeye 2000 AEW and at least 6 new helicopters. That is just the stuff mentioned by official media reports, there are a lot of planned acquisitions by the armed forces reported by very credible members on certain defence forums.
All in all I think the Pakistan Navy will be a fairly lethal force in terms of defence. One a naval cruise missile is available to them, I think their offensive capabilities will also be note worthy. The Pakistan Navy will definitely not be as strong or advanced as the Indian Navy, but that definitely does not discount the PN from being a painful thorn in the future.
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 23 2007, 9:11 AM
Aircraft Carriers (1 in Service)
INS Viraat (1 in service)
[edit] Destroyers (8 in Service)
Destroyer INS Rana (D52).Type 15/Delhi class (3 in service)
INS Delhi (D61) (15 November 1997)
INS Mysore (D60) (02 June 1999)
INS Mumbai (D62) (22 January 2001)
Rajput class (5 in service)
INS Rajput (D51) (30 September 1980)
INS Rana (D52) (28 June 1982)
INS Ranjit (D53) (24 November 1983)
INS Ranvir (D54) (28 October 1986)
INS Ranvijay (D55) (15 January 1988)
[edit] Frigates (13 in Service)
Frigate INS Tabar.
The Godavari class frigatesShivalik class (Project 17) Guided Missile Frigate
Shivalik (March 2007)
Talwar class (3 in service)
INS Talwar (F40) (18 June 2003)
INS Trishul (F43) (25 June 2003)
INS Tabar (F44) (19 April 2004)
Brahmaputra class (3 in service)
INS Brahmaputra (F31) (14 April 2000)
INS Betwa (F37) (07 July 2004)
INS Beas (F39) (11 July 2005)
Type 16 Godavari Class (3 in service)
INS Godavari (F20) (10 December 1983)
INS Ganga (F22) (30 December 1985)
INS Gomati (F21) (16 April 1988)
Nilgiri {Leander} Class (4 in service)
INS Udaygiri (F35) (18 February 1976)
INS Dunagiri (F36) (05 May 1977)
INS Taragiri (F41) (16 May 1980)
INS Vindhyagiri (F42) (08 July 1981)
[edit] Corvettes (24 in Service)
Kora class (4 in service)
INS Kora P61 (10 August 1998)
INS Kirch P62 (22 January 2001)
INS Kulish P63 (20 August 2001)
INS Karmukh P64 (04 February 2004)
Khukri class (4 in service)
INS Khukri P49 (23 August 1989)
INS Khutar P46 (07 June 1990)
INS Kirpan P44 (January 1991)
INS Khanjar P47 (22 October 1991)
INS NirghatVeer (Tarantul I) Class Missile Corvette (12 in service)
INS Veer K40 (26 March 1987)
INS Nirbhik K41 (21 December 1987)
INS Nipat K42 (05 December 1988)
INS Nishank K43 (12 September 1989)
INS Nirghat K44 (15 December 1989)
INS Vibhuti K45 (03 June 1991)
INS Vipul K46 (16 March 1992)
INS Vinash K47 (20 November 1993)
INS Vidyut K48 (16 January 1995)
INS Nashak K83 (29 December 1996)
INS Prabal K92 (11 April 2002)
INS Pralaya K91 (18 Dec 2002)
Abhay class ASW Corvette (4 in service)
INS Abhay P33 (10 March 1989)
INS Ajay P34 (24 January 1990)
INS Akshay P35 (10 December 1990)
INS Agray P36 (30 January 1991) - in repair
[edit] Amphibious Warfare Ships (21 in Service)
INS Jalashva.Jalashva class LPD (1 in service)
INS Jalashva [1] (17 Jan 2007)
Shardul class- Large Landing Ship Tank (1 in service) [2]
INS Shardul (L16)(04 January 2007)
Magar class (2 in service)
INS Magar L20 (15 July 1987)
INS Gharial L23 (14 February 1997)
Polnocny class (5 in service)
INS Sharabh L17 (27 January 1976)
INS Cheetah L18 (February 1985)
INS Mahish L19 (04 June 1985)
INS Guldar L21 (December 1985)
INS Kumbhir L22 (November 1986)
Nicobar class Transport Ships (2 in service)
INS Nicobar (April 1998)
INS Andamans (April 2000)
MK.8 Landing Craft (4 in service) (17 Jan 2007)
MK.3 Landing craft (6 in service)
L34 - LCU Mk.2 (28 January 1980)
L35 - LCU Mk.2 (17 December 1983)
L36 - LCU Mk.3 (18 July 1986)
L37 - LCU Mk.3 (18 October 1986?)
L38 - LCU Mk.3 (10 December 1986)
L39 - LCU Mk.3 (25 March 1987)
[edit] Patrol Ships (28 in Service)
INS SuvarnaSukanya class (6 in service)
INS Sukanya (P50) (31 August 1989)
INS Subhadra P51 (25 January 1990)
INS Suvarna P52 (04 April 1991)
INS Savitiri P53 (27 November 1990)
INS Sharada P55 (27 October 1991)
INS Sujata P56 (03 November 1993)
Seaward Defence Boats (6 in service)
SDB T-54
SDB T-55
SDB T-56
SDB T-57
SDB T-58
SDB T-59
Trinkat Class (2 in service)
INS Trinkat T61; Commissioned - 28 September 2000.
INS Tarasa T63; Commissioned - 24 August 2001.
Makar Class (3 in service)
INS Mithun J32
INS Meen J33
INS Mesh J34
INS Bangaram on patrolBangaram Class (4 in service)
INS Bangaram (10 February 2006)
INS Bitra (28 March 2006)
INS Batti Malv (31 July 2006)
INS Baratang (12 September 2006)
Super Dvora Mk.II Class (7 in service)
FAC T-80 (24 June 1998)
FAC T-81 (06 June 1999)
FAC T-82 (09 October 2003)
FAC T-83 (27 November 2003)
FAC T-84 (19 April 2004)
FAC T-85 (2005)
FAC T-86 (2005)
[edit] Minesweepers (14 in Service)
Pondicherry class (12 in service)
INS Pondicherry M61 (02 February 1978)
INS Porbandar M62 (19 December 1978)
INS Bedi M63 (27 April 1979)
INS Bhavnagar M64 (27 April 1979)
INS Alleppey M65 (10 June 1980)
INS Ratnagiri M66 (10 June 1980)
INS Karwar M67 (14 July 1986)
INS Cannanore M68 (17 December 1987)
INS Cuddalore M69 (29 October 1987)
INS Kakinanda M70 (23 December 1986)
INS Kozhikode M71 (19 December 1988)
INS Konkan M72 (08 October 1988)
[edit] Inshore Minesweeper (1 in Service)
INS Mahé M83 (16 May 1983)
Sindhughosh (Kilo) Class (10 in service)
INS Sindhugosh S55 (30 April 1986) - Refit Complete
INS Sindhudhvaj S56 (12 June 1987)
INS Sindhuraj S57 (20 October 1987) - Refit Complete
INS Sindhuvir S58 (26 August 1988) - Refit Complete
INS Sindhuratna S59 (22 December 1988) - Refit Complete
INS Sindhukesari S60 (16 February 1989) - Refit Complete
INS Sindhukirti S61 (04 January 1990) - Undergoing Refit
INS Sindhuvijay S62 (08 March 1991) - Undergoing Refit
INS Sindhurakshak S63 (24 December 1997)
INS Sindhushastra S65 (19 July 2000)
Shishumar (Type 209) Class (4 in service)
INS Shishumar S44 (22 September 1986) - Refit Complete
INS Shankush S45 (20 November 1986)
INS Shalki S46 (07 February 1992)
INS Shankul S47 (28 May 1994) - Undergoing Refit
Foxtrot class (2 in service)
INS Vela S40 (31 August 1973)
INS Vagli S42 (10 August 1974)
Vs Pakistan Navy
5 Ex-UK Class Type 21 Frigates
3 French Eridan Class Mine Hunter vessels
3 Jalalat Class Missile Boats
4 Sabqat Class (Huangfeng Class) Fast Attack Crafts
2 Shanghai II Class Attack Patrol Gunboats
1 Larkana Class Patrol Boat
2 MRTP 15 Fast Attack Patrol Boats
1 Fuqing Class AOR
1 Poolster Class AOR
2 Coastal Tankers
4 Griffon Ambhibious Assault Ships
1 Hydrographic Survey Vessel, SV Behr Paima
1 Leander Class Frigates Training vessel
3 Agosta-90B (PNS/M Khalid, PNS/M Saad & PNS/M Hamza)
1 Daphne class (PNS/Hangor, kept for display)
Man is this a no no show.
Sometimes we all have to be realistic... In two areas, we have a clear qualitative and quantitative advantage is the Airforce and the Navy.
Plus the awesome acquisitions planned and the emergence of Brahmos reflects it.
Lets be clear this is a defence forum not a shouting match.... Lets get realistic...
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 23 2007, 5:01 PM
Dear friend,
for your satisfaction, I suggest you take the IN number and divide by 2 and then compare. And if that doesn't satisfy your cause, I would suggest you try dividing by 4.
New ships, fully operational and very lethal
Shivalik (March 2007)
Talwar class (3 in service)
INS Talwar (F40) (18 June 2003)
INS Trishul (F43) (25 June 2003)
INS Tabar (F44) (19 April 2004)
Brahmaputra class (3 in service)
INS Brahmaputra (F31) (14 April 2000)
INS Betwa (F37) (07 July 2004)
INS Beas (F39) (11 July 2005)
Destroyer
INS Delhi (D61) (15 November 1997)
INS Mysore (D60) (02 June 1999)
INS Mumbai (D62) (22 January 2001)
Corvettes
Corvettes (24 in Service)
Kora class (4 in service)
INS Kora P61 (10 August 1998)
INS Kirch P62 (22 January 2001)
INS Kulish P63 (20 August 2001)
INS Karmukh P64 (04 February 2004)
Khukri class (4 in service)
INS Khukri P49 (23 August 1989)
INS Khutar P46 (07 June 1990)
INS Kirpan P44 (January 1991)
INS Khanjar P47 (22 October 1991)
Missile Corvette
INS Vibhuti K45 (03 June 1991)
INS Vipul K46 (16 March 1992)
INS Vinash K47 (20 November 1993)
INS Vidyut K48 (16 January 1995)
INS Nashak K83 (29 December 1996)
INS Prabal K92 (11 April 2002)
INS Pralaya K91 (18 Dec 2002)
Abhay class ASW Corvette (4 in service)
INS Abhay P33 (10 March 1989)
INS Ajay P34 (24 January 1990)
INS Akshay P35 (10 December 1990)
I hope that wakes you up. I also must re-itirate that I don't intend to flame so you are welcome to come back with any reply. I consider my case closed.
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 23 2007, 9:50 PM
I don't know if Pakistan is going to get the 54A yet, I mean it just got launched and isn't finished sea trials yet. The F22 should be a good frigate for their needs. Those anyone have pics of the F22 that pakistan is suppose to have?
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 23 2007, 11:02 PM
Well Pakistan navy is still the best, soon Pak made nuclear sub is comming up.
Well Indian navy already demostrated it new tech weapon on the shores of Tokoyo, when Royal Japnese Navy call the fire engine for Indian latest lethal ship on offical visit ot RJN...
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 24 2007, 4:37 PM
ThatS the problem, after nuclear test, only limited non conventional war can be expected. Pakistan navy is developing at very quick pace, cuz it start taking over the NATO duties in arabian sea and middle eastern coastline.
It looks very modern (from the drawing), comparing to Chinese Frigate 54A (I know it is a frigate), which one is more modern ? and how much fire power compare to Chinese 54A or Dutch Sigma Corvette ?
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 25 2007, 10:06 AM
"Its simple India has quatitative edge and Pakistan has qualitative edge."
Love the way u pakis can daydream. being small doesnt mean quality. goin by ur logic we r stronger than China, isnt it?
3 missile boats ransacked ur Karachi harbour while the PN was scared to float. have some shame. missile boats destroyed an entire harbour. LOL.
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Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
February 26 2007, 6:38 AM
"""3 missile boats ransacked ur Karachi harbour while the PN was scared to float. have some shame. missile boats destroyed an entire harbour. LOL."""
Wonder why Indian hide their aircraft carrier in any tense situation, parked 100ss miles away from tense zone.......
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Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
March 7 2007, 10:25 PM
According to Kanwa the Pakistan Navy is interested in the Type-054 series frigate. Personally I think the PN will go for 4 Type-054A variants with VLS capable of using the HQ-16 SAM and a naval Babur cruise missile. Of all the platforms to integrate the Babur to, I think the Type-054A is as close as it gets.
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
March 7 2007, 10:52 PM
We just bought 6 Scorpenes, get 2 Akulas in 2007 (this is confirmed news leased for 5 years at USD35m per peice per year) + another RFP for 6 more subs.
We get three new frigates during the next two years. And more and more...
We didn't need to use the aircraft carrier in 1971 because you guys surrendered before we could get it started and plus we couldn't afford to feed the sailors on the aircraft carriers cause we had 90,000 PoW's to feed.
On a more serious note, Vikrant was protected cause it was more a symbol and less a fighting machine.
Somehow with AK Antony and the rest, we have started taking our Armed Forces very very seriously and there has been marked improvement in the quality of inputs we have now. Even if I compare them to 1999 the Kargil war, and in defence terms, those are very recent years.
There is a serious concern with Pakistan, it has ignored its Navy for such a long time that it can't really ever play a catching game. I think Indians realise it and want to keep that edge.
Plus, our Armed forces are only double the size of Pakistan effectively and we spend 5.2 times more. There has to be an edge to that. Plus, our defence budget growths have been fair and a lot of sops have been thrown in.
I think by 2015 the real edge should start showing i.e. capital investments made now such as the subs/the carrier/frigates/naval arm all falling into place together.
I think I posted our naval strenght and more than 50% is recent which is a very encouraging trend
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
March 8 2007, 11:49 AM
Has the ship launched version of babur been tested? Has it even entered operational service with the PA? Are there any links to substantiate the presence of Babur units in the PA?
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
March 9 2007, 5:10 PM
its going to fly on march 23rd as reported by some pak def forums. I dunno what engine it uses. Russians have urged china to not equip it with the rd-93 if its going to pakistan.
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
March 10 2007, 9:23 AM
"Wonder why Indian hide their aircraft carrier in any tense situation, parked 100ss miles away from tense zone......."
U nuts? Who feeds u with such stories? We were fighting a 2 front war. What makes u think the aircraft carrier wont b used? It was the Paki submarine Ghazi which was sunk, in the eastern theatre i believe.
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Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
March 10 2007, 10:49 AM
Quote:Wonder why Indian hide their aircraft carrier in any tense situation, parked 100ss miles away from tense zone.......
Quote:On 7 December, INS Vikrant, the navy's sole aircraft carrier at the time, joined the operation.Sea Hawks operating from the deck of Vikrant struck Chittagong harbour, Cox's Bazar and Barisal. Whatever remained of the Pakistani Navy was destroyed or sunk. The airfields in Cox's Bazar, Chiringa and Feni were made inoperative.
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
March 10 2007, 11:06 AM
Huh, I have been to the PNS Shahjahan in 2001 when it docked at the Zayed port in Abudhabi....
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Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
March 10 2007, 12:42 PM
the prestigious Indian carrier INS Vikrant(or viraat??!?)in 1965 hid and cloughed up the Bombay harbour and did not come out for the war, as PNS Ghazi was roaming just outside Bombay waters.
The sub in 1965 war,PNS Ghazi was not destroyed by Indians but apparently strong underwater currents hurled one of its own mines onto it.
the vikrant was only good at bombing targets in east Pakistan where there was never a serious military presence of Pak, even the fishing boats could have made a better navy then what PN had deployed there.
BTW where was the Indian Navy when Dwarka was bombed to hell??
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March 10 2007, 2:02 PM
there is no evidence for thee the damage caused by the PN @ dwaraka..on the other hand we hav even video footage of the karachi attack...and swallow the truth...u did in 65 and we gave it back with interest in 71...
Re: Pakistan 4 Turkish Milgem Corvettes( A Must See! )
March 11 2007, 1:54 PM
Quote:there is no evidence for thee the damage caused by the PN @ dwaraka..on the other hand we hav even video footage of the karachi attack...and swallow the truth...u did in 65 and we gave it back with interest in 71...
Operation Dwarka is one of the most significant events of 1965 Indo-Pak war which reflected courage, determination, professional competence, dedication and coordination of the PN personnel involved in it. The objectives of this operation were: to draw the heavy enemy units out of Bombay for the submarine GHAZI to attack; to destroy the radar installation at Dwarka; to lower Indian morale; and to divert Indian Air effort away from the north.
On 7 September 1965 when the ships were on their normal war patrol, the following signal was received from Naval Headquarters: "Task group comprising PNS BABUR, PNS KHAIBAR, PNS BADR, PNS JAHANGIR, PNS ALAMGIR, PNS SHAHJAHAN and PNS TIPU SULTAN is to be in position 239 degrees – 120 miles from Dwarka light house by 071800 E Sep with maximum power available. Task group thereafter to carryout bombardment of Dwarka about midnight using 50 rounds per ship. Force is to retire from bombardment area by 080030 E Sep and return to present patrol area at full speed. One or two enemy frigates may be expected to encounter in the area in addition to enemy air threat."
The Commodore Commanding PN Flotilla accordingly originated his signal at 1835, the salient features of which were: The initial position for attack was 206 degrees Dwarka light 6 miles; the target was to be city installations and conspicuous chimney; and complete radio silence was to be maintained except for guarding air warning radar.
The Fleet immediately topped up fuel and shaped course for Dwarka operation. At midnight the ships were on Initial Position (IP) with all their guns loaded and the men ready to strike a historic punch on enemy’s face. The city of Dwarka was completely blacked out and target could only be identified on radar. At 0024 bombardment was ordered to commence when ships were 5.5 to 6.3 miles from Dwarka light. It took only four minutes to complete the bombardment, firing altogether about 350 rounds on the target. Upon successful completion of the attack the ships retired immediately without any loss or damages. There was no considerable resistance from the enemy and the ships safely arrived at their patrol area by 0635 on 8 Sep. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/pakistan/navy-intro.htm
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ALLAH SE DARNEY WALLAY,DARTAY NAHI AUR KISSI SE
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