Malaysia appealed for international help to curb people-smuggling, amid talks with Australian leaders who are pushing for action to close down illegal migration routes.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is due to arrive here later Monday to pressure Malaysia on the thousands of illegal immigrants hit by wars and the global slump who are reportedly headed to Australia.

After talks with Australian Foreign Minister Stephen Smith, his Malaysian counterpart Anifah Aman said the country could not alone stop its territory being used as a migration route.

"This is not just Malaysia's problem, there is a pull-push factor. We have to look at the overall scenario, the origin of these people, what problems they are facing and how we can help them," he told a joint conference.

"Malaysia has a very long coastline and this is where we need assistance from other countries," he said, adding that the country needed extra funding and equipment to reduce the passage of illegal migrants.

Rudd and Smith will later make a rare joint call on Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak during a flying visit en route to Germany and the 17-nation Major Economies Forum (MEF) in Italy.

"Malaysia is an important economic partner of Australia, an important security partner and important for us also in combating the real problem of people-smuggling," Rudd told reporters earlier.

"I'll only be on the ground for a few hours but it struck me as a great opportunity to spend a few hours on some practical questions given that people-smuggling is a real challenge for us, the Indonesians, the Malaysians and all countries within the region," he added.

Illegal immigration is a hot political issue in Australia, which has long grappled with the arrival of boatloads of refugees prepared to make the risky voyage from areas hit by conflict and economic hardship.

Australia's navy last month stopped a boat off the northwest coast carrying 194 asylum-seekers, the biggest number in eight years and raising this year's total to 825, compared to just 179 for the whole of 2008.

Australian media say that up to 10,000 immigrants from Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Iraq are massing in Malaysia for passage to Australia by people-smugglers.

The developments forced Rudd, under fire for relaxing the tough stance of his predecessor John Howard, to defend his policy as "hardline and sensible".

"What we see worldwide is a large increase in the number of illegal people movements right around Asia and beyond," he said on Monday.

"Therefore the active cooperation between ourselves and regional governments on security, on intelligence, on border control is really important."

Smith, who arrived in Malaysia ahead of Rudd, acknowledged the joint visit was "unusual" but said it showed traditionally fraught relations with Malaysia were improving.

"We'll of course also be having very serious conversations with the Malaysians about our joint efforts against people-smuggling," Smith said Sunday before departing.

Rudd last year rolled back Howard's policy, under which many refugees were locked up for years in detention camps, and introduced mandatory six-monthly case reviews in a bid to speed up processing.

On Monday, the conservative opposition repeated its calls for a stronger stance, claiming Rudd's move was encouraging refugees.

"Kevin Rudd having a cup of coffee with people in Malaysia is not going to be having the people-smugglers sitting up there in Southeast Asia quaking in their boots," Liberal Party frontbencher Scott Morrison told Sky News.

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it pays to understand that it is very very difficult to prove the origin of the illegals. for example if we alleged that they came from myanmar, the myanmar government simply asked us to prove. otherwise we will have to live with the extra baggages siphoning off our scant resources like leeches.

now the heat has come to australia. they can't deport the illegals they've detained for the very same peculiarity. if they wanted to deport them to the country of origin, where's the proof?

or do the world need to revisit what the thais did to the rohingya people? push them to sea and let the luck of the waves deal with them.

i'm sure mr rudd know this rudimentary situation concerning illegal immigrants. what will mr rudd ask us to do? tighten up our borders? let me tell mr rudd, if he is not keen to have illegals in australia, he could tighten up HIS borders.

if he is not keen to have illegals in australia, he could tighten up HIS borders.

The borders are tight. You will notice that all the illegal boats are being intercepted before they reach the Australian coastline. We're very good at it now actually.

if he is not keen to have illegals in australia, he could tighten up HIS borders.

Malaysia should start raids on these smugglers instead of letting them have free reign. Unless you want Australia to send in Special Ops onto Malaysian soil to do it for you.

Then again, they are asking for economic assistance to do what they should be doing already. Australian tax payers have to foot the bill once more.

To be fair, Australia should be tougher, re-introducing the policy under Howard would stem the flow.

After talks with Australian Foreign Minister Stephen Smith, his Malaysian counterpart Anifah Aman said the country could not alone stop its territory being used as a migration route.

Malaysia can't control it's own boarder?

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind usimmensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."


"As a Internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

"Malaysia should start raids on these smugglers instead of letting them have free reign. Unless you want Australia to send in Special Ops onto Malaysian soil to do it for you."

nah. but you can send your special ops to thailand, the philippines, myanmar, bangladesh, pakistan, afghanistan, indonesia, china.


"re-introducing the policy under Howard would stem the flow".

mr rudd is not mr howard. make sure u cross the right box next time round. on a hindsight, you're right. australians getting more like the british nowadays.


"Malaysia can't control it's own boarder?"

read again; we're being used as a migration route. they enter our borders legally with the final aim of getting to australia illegally. if they enter malaysia illegally, they risk being caught and spend an undisclosed time at one of our detention centers where life is like a can of sardines. these people have australia set in their eyes.


"the illegal boats are being intercepted before they reach the Australian coastline.".

spare a thought for those boats that did get away. tell me how long is australia's northern coast vs patrol boats? and how powerful the radars you have that could pick out the small indonesian sampans? you intercepted the big boats only, the smugglers smuggle people for a living. they're always one step ahead of you.

spare a thought for those boats that did get

Getting stuck in the God forsaken red desert isn't something to be happy about, most would die unless they hit a town, they'll either dehydrate or starve... and our natural wild life doesn't help. They are unlucky if they don't get caught.

So either way, they get caught, on the boat or in the town.

ah. but you can send your special ops to thailand, the philippines, myanmar, bangladesh, pakistan, afghanistan, indonesia, china.

No. Malaysia is the place of most boats because it seems, most of those scum smugglers are Malaysians.

mr rudd is not mr howard. make sure u cross the right box next time round. on a hindsight, you're right. australians getting more like the british nowadays.

No we are not. We haven't flooded ourselves with undesirable people rather we have a strict immigration policy based on skills and education.

Also, I didn't vote for Rudd, so your point is mute.

read again; we're being used as a migration route.

Which means you can't control the smugglers within your boarders.

these people have australia set in their eyes.

I know, Australia is the bomb.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind usimmensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."


"As a Internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

Gentlemen,

Please understand the issue; you may call them boat peoples because they enter your country illegal via boats or ships.

As Malaysian, this will be very difficult for us to label this people as boat people. This because the way this peoples enter Malaysia with a complete travel document. Some travel by planes and some travel by land enter Malaysia via Thailand.

This peoples enter Indonesia also the using the legal document and been smugglers to Australia. The best way to have good cooperation amongst ASEAN countries and Australia to curb the influxes of boat peoples by having join exercise and sharing information.

Sorry mate, we not element which have destabilised Iraq and Afghanistan. From day one we dont support operation Iraqi Freedom because we knew this will happen.

Secondly, Malaysian NOT trigger happy peoples and we dont use Special Operation to kill kids, women or family members whom seeking better live.

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"As Malaysian, this will be very difficult for us to label this people as boat people. This because the way this peoples enter Malaysia with a complete travel document. Some travel by planes and some travel by land enter Malaysia via Thailand."

Really! Comeon ,Bangladeshi,Indians,Indonesian,Phillipines,Thais and Burmese fishing boats have frequently fished in your waters and landed on your coastline and your village elders wouldn't even have a clue. That's why these are the main illegals because they can easily melt into your society because they are Muslims.

Sure a few who enter have complete travel documents but like my compatriots says, most of those scum smugglers are Malaysians anyway. In most cases your officers are either too corrupt or too dumb to notice whether the docments are genuine.

"tell me how long is Australia's northern coast" I can say it's as long as the Malaysian coastline including Sabah n Sarawak.

"ah. but you can send your special ops to thailand, the philippines, myanmar, bangladesh, pakistan, afghanistan, indonesia, china."

Brave words recalcitrants,... sure a few Australians n Englishmen fought and died for your country during WW2, the '48 Emergency and when Indonesia's Sukarno threatened your posterior in 1963. The 5 Five Power Defence Pact which aims at the defence of Malaysian and Singaporean airspaces and is ... defence issues such as illegal immigrants, refugees, trans-national ... should be scrapped. There should be no cause in future for aid or to sent any of our boys there.

You're being used as a migration routes because Malaysia is not only a limpy dick but a corrupt country compared to Singapore. Everyone except Malaysians knows you cannot secure yor own borders. You corrupt soft cocks just turned a blind eye and are leechees preying on your less fortunate muslim brethens.

"Secondly, Malaysian NOT trigger happy peoples and we dont use Special Operation to kill kids, women or family members whom seeking better live."

Don't come the raw prawn! No, in the 80's you just robbed and pillaged a few Vietnamese, Cambodian refugee boats that passes your way and tow them back out to sea, maybe they weren't Muslim.. too easy to blame it on pirates. And one of your trigger happy minster threatened to shed more blood on his kris (a crooked pen knife) on the Chinese or Indian "kids, women or family members" who also eked for better lives in Malaysia. You do try to forget your own history conveniently, understandable after 150 years of colonial rule. KL is founded by a Chinese Yap and you do call your villages 'kampong' after Mrs Wong Kam Pong. LOL!


Keating is right all along, farking recalcitrants. LOL

Really! Comeon ,Bangladeshi,Indians,Indonesian,Phillipines,Thais and Burmese fishing boats have frequently fished in your waters and landed on your coastline and your village elders wouldn't even have a clue. That's why these are the main illegals because they can easily melt into your society because they are Muslims.
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Since when? Dont just simply purge facts out of your arse.
the only Indonesians and philipinos who easily get malaysian citizenship is at the Sabah Border City due to elections. And not all of them are muslims.

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Sure a few who enter have complete travel documents but like my compatriots says, most of those scum smugglers are Malaysians anyway. In most cases your officers are either too corrupt or too dumb to notice whether the docments are genuine.


You're being used as a migration routes because Malaysia is not only a limpy dick but a corrupt country compared to Singapore. Everyone except Malaysians knows you cannot secure yor own borders. You corrupt soft cocks just turned a blind eye and are leechees preying on your less fortunate muslim brethens.

"Secondly, Malaysian NOT trigger happy peoples and we dont use Special Operation to kill kids, women or family members whom seeking better live."

Don't come the raw prawn! No, in the 80's you just robbed and pillaged a few Vietnamese, Cambodian refugee boats that passes your way and tow them back out to sea, maybe they weren't Muslim.. too easy to blame it on pirates. And one of your trigger happy minster threatened to shed more blood on his kris (a crooked pen knife) on the Chinese or Indian "kids, women or family members" who also eked for better lives in Malaysia. You do try to forget your own history conveniently, understandable after 150 years of colonial rule. KL is founded by a Chinese Yap and you do call your villages 'kampong' after Mrs Wong Kam Pong. LOL!

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And all the bad part Malaysians is blamed towards the Muslims and Malays. You must be too idiot to notice the existence of Chinese and Indians which is 40% of Malaysia. And just to enlighten you, big time smugglers are mostly Malaysian chinese underground criminal group.

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And one of your trigger happy minster threatened to shed more blood on his kris (a crooked pen knife) on the Chinese or Indian "kids, women or family members"

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LOL if you want to lie, lie smartly. There is no Mention of specific Race or Women or Child. aaannd Did he WALK THE TALK?

you dont understand Malaysian Politics so hush.

FYI, back in 1969, Malaysian Chinese Politicians did mentioned something about sweeping MALAYS out of this country."

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KL is founded by a Chinese Yap
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We know our history. Those Chinese are also malayans. Your point is?

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'kampong' after Mrs Wong Kam Pong
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From your Logic, The name "Woh Ah Fatt" can be use as the origin of the word "FAT"?

"Getting stuck in the God forsaken red desert ...."

the point was, how many did get away; not whether they'd die in the desert or not. i'd say the bulk of these illegals are ignorant and depend on syndicates which arranged for their journey and to an extent to blend in. whether malaysians. or australians. how would the illegals get it right in australia? don't tell me australians are not involved.


"most of those scum smugglers are Malaysians."

really now? maybe some malaysians or indonesians do get involved in these illegal activities; what do you expect? i'd say some australians also have their fingers dirty.


"Also, I didn't vote for Rudd"

LOL. tell me about pacific solutions. did mr howard really dumped them to the pacific islands and let other people deal with australia's wind swept dirt? or how about mr rudd's current policy which tempted the illegals to test australia's nerves?


"Which means you can't control the smugglers within your boarders."

i'd rather say we don't bat an eye lid for those who just wanted to hop to other places. we have enough illegals here. but it would help if australia have a very tough policy. like dumping them to one of the islands you have around you. i've told you we have detention centers who can make life for the illegals like a can of sardines. but then again you'd want to lecture us about human rights.

"Really! Comeon ,Bangladeshi,Indians,Indonesian,Phillipines,Thais and Burmese fishing boats have frequently fished in your waters and landed on your coastline and your village elders wouldn't even have a clue. That's why these are the main illegals because they can easily melt into your society because they are Muslims.

Sure a few who enter have complete travel documents but like my compatriots says, most of those scum smugglers are Malaysians anyway. In most cases your officers are either too corrupt or too dumb to notice whether the docments are genuine.

"tell me how long is Australia's northern coast" I can say it's as long as the Malaysian coastline including Sabah n Sarawak.

"ah. but you can send your special ops to thailand, the philippines, myanmar, bangladesh, pakistan, afghanistan, indonesia, china."

Brave words recalcitrants,... sure a few Australians n Englishmen fought and died for your country during WW2, the '48 Emergency and when Indonesia's Sukarno threatened your posterior in 1963. The 5 Five Power Defence Pact which aims at the defence of Malaysian and Singaporean airspaces and is ... defence issues such as illegal immigrants, refugees, trans-national ... should be scrapped. There should be no cause in future for aid or to sent any of our boys there.

You're being used as a migration routes because Malaysia is not only a limpy dick but a corrupt country compared to Singapore. Everyone except Malaysians knows you cannot secure yor own borders. You corrupt soft cocks just turned a blind eye and are leechees preying on your less fortunate muslim brethens.

"Secondly, Malaysian NOT trigger happy peoples and we dont use Special Operation to kill kids, women or family members whom seeking better live."

Don't come the raw prawn! No, in the 80's you just robbed and pillaged a few Vietnamese, Cambodian refugee boats that passes your way and tow them back out to sea, maybe they weren't Muslim.. too easy to blame it on pirates. And one of your trigger happy minster threatened to shed more blood on his kris (a crooked pen knife) on the Chinese or Indian "kids, women or family members" who also eked for better lives in Malaysia. You do try to forget your own history conveniently, understandable after 150 years of colonial rule. KL is founded by a Chinese Yap and you do call your villages 'kampong' after Mrs Wong Kam Pong. LOL!

Keating is right all along, farking recalcitrants. LOL "





first of all, the way you write suggested that you are a naturalised australian. where u from originally? not from around here, do you? LOL.

i have not insulted the ANZACS who fought in malaya. so, don't paint the picture that i look down on australia service men and women. i simply bugger the idea of doing something which would not deal with the root problem. and it seems like you have no clue to what the five power arrangements are.

u are dealing race cards in every thread with the word 'malay' or 'malaysia' you poke your nose in. what gives? did u have some childhood memories you wish to share?

the point was, how many did get away

Not many, most get intercepted, if not all (or I pray they do, they'll die otherwise). Even little Indonesian fishing boats who steal our fish are found rather quickly no a days, it is just a shame there are so many of them.

don't tell me australians are not involved.

Don't doubt there are, but they would be conducting it from Malaysia, which means Malaysia should really start checking out going boats.

i'd say some australians also have their fingers dirty.

No doubt, but to conduct such things would need long stays in Malaysia and organisation from the South East Asian countries. Basically, it is time more raids and police expenditure was placed on controlling this horrid system.

did mr howard really dumped them to the pacific islands and let other people deal with australia's wind swept dirt?

Most are detained and processed on Australian islands, during Howard's era and today.

or how about mr rudd's current policy which tempted the illegals to test australia's nerves?

You can't blame Australia for Malaysia being where many smugglers reside in. Even if Australia had very lax laws, that doesn't make the fact Malaysia plays a large role in people smuggling to be alright.

but then again you'd want to lecture us about human rights.

Wouldn't give two ****s what Malaysia does to illegals in its boarders. I would prefer as a human being for them to be treated as such, but if your government sees fit in humiliating or treating them badly so be it, after all, they are not your citizens and they came illegally (that means they broke the law).

but it would help if australia have a very tough policy

Sure it would, but I'm sure if some of your own citizens who tried their luck coming here illegally got shelled by Australian Navy vessels you wouldn't be too happy, nor would many people in general (you would rather lecture us about human rights). Smuggling doesn't start by one country having lax laws (which ours are not), it starts with where the people smugglers can set up base.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind usimmensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."


"As a Internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

if any of malaysian enter australia illegally, you can cut off their balls and give it to the dingos if you want; i don't give sheet. LOL. after all we hanged australians (plus every other humans) who traffic in illegal drugs here.

our government treat illegals humanely. ask any of your neutralised vietnamese australians. perhaps they remember their short stay at pulau bidong. its just that they can't expect three star treatments. i reckon three meals a day in a well sheltered and safe (read barbed wire fenced) environment is suffice. don't expect us to throw in newspapers and media interviews.

for your information, there are no malaysian laws promoting illegal transportation of humans to australia. but i won't bat an eye lid but if you keep poking your nose here we might shut both eyes. if you don't mind, there are priorities here based on our urgency. do you think australia's illegal problem rank high in our priority list?


"detained and processed" on australian islands. then where did mr howard kick them?

Malaysian "Laws" is a joke.

Another 3rd world dumps where money and power can get you freedom even for serious crimes.

Guys,

I dont want to drag into flaming argument which given NO result. As Malaysian I would like to look on positive side.

1.Both PMs has come to an agreement to workout on this Boat People issue is a good sign, Malaysia doesnt want to be tented as Boat People heaven. Believed me this issue will be solved once both parties sharing information and cooperation.

2. Looking on Geographical location between Malaysia and Australia, you still have Indonesia + Papua New Guinea + East Timor to look at. Is hard to solve this issue unless all countries could cooperate. Asean should be a platform to solve this problem.


3. Petty Malaysia, since 19's century till now we still have to deal with Boat Peoples. Last time China, Vietnam, Indonesia and now middleastern.

4. We Malaysia has been accuse in 70s and 80's of robbed and pillaged a few Vietnamese, Cambodian refugee boats. Perhaps you have a data to support your statement? At lease we have Bidong Island offshore Terengganu state, to show you Vietnamese boat refugee camp were located before send to third countries. Until now this island cant be used because too polluted.

5. Truth we call your villages 'kampong' but NOT after Mrs Wong Kam Pong. If you got take a look Cambodia Maps you also come across Kampong Cham, Kampong Tom and many Kampongs. Are this Kampong are name after Mrs Wong Kam Pong? Perhaps you could ready history book of Srivijaya the first Malay empire flourish in 600ad. BTW, Malay language as become a lingual-franca in South East Asia since than.

Is easy to accuse blame people at least we Malaysia have install coastal radar along Malaysia coastal, what we need a good enforcements.

"u are dealing race cards in every thread with the word 'malay' or 'malaysia' you poke your nose in. what gives? did u have some childhood memories you wish to share?"

what! race card! Malaysia is governed by a "coalition" out of convenience, Barisan is dominated/controlled/dictated by UMNO. UMNO = MALAY Only = Muslims. It's however a 'rich Malay only' political party that practises racism, cronyism, nepotism and all the 'isms' that you care to think of. It is responsible for apartheid and the discrimination policies against other non Malay(muslim)Malaysians.

The politicians of the country are a joke not the laws. These politicians are mainly the dominant "Melayu only" muslim UMNO folks. LOL!

"if any of malaysian enter australia illegally, you can cut off their balls and give it to the dingos if you want; i don't give sheet. LOL..."

The Malaysian illegals here are ethnically Chinese and Indians. You can lol this coz no 'Malay' Malaysian have cause to be illegal anywhere as they have previledges in the home country. The sad truth is they cannot thrive anywhere else outside Malaysia (Ok maybe in Spore).

I have plenty of happy childhood memories especially at RAAF and NAAFI. You may also assume whatever you want, but to share them with you personally. ..comeon dick...LOL LOL!


Oorooo.

typical puke from an internet warrior who rather than addressing a direct assertion, starts shifting the attention elsewhere. what does UMNO has to do with YOUR race card?

if you know any malaysia illegals residing in australia, i suggest you report them to the australia authorities. did you report them? if not, you are just some another old empty can. wide open at one end with a twisted tongue to match.

i wasn't interested in your happy childhood memories. my question was just a figure of speech. if any, i was just trying to understand what makes you yap the way you do when the words 'malay' or 'malaysia' crosses your path. it could be your childhood. or it could be as recent as yesterday. and here you are, blurting about your childhood at RAAF and NAAFI. but since you mentioned it, can i take for granted that these were at butterworth? LOL.