Is Muslim Ummah if unite by 2020 totality become one of worlds superpowers?
It has huge magnificient varioational landscapes, cutures, peoples, cuisines, etc.
It has huge economiques muscles and financial clouts
It has huge bourgeoning populations with rising industrial output and Alhamdulillah more calling for unity.
Let us compare some numbers (ESTIMATEDS)
Population: Approx 1,5 billion
Active forces: >6 million
Airplanes: > 2,000 (not sure some more informed person fill in here)
Tanks: > 18,000? (not sure eithers)
Indigenous capability:? Iran is leadership of being islamic regime and hence this capability of own manufactureing capability of military and civilian items. Pakistan cooperated with chinese persons also being slave of amerikunts, same too trute of many arabs and turkish leadership, we must allow them kicked out this make entirety free to original population inshallah this instigate total popular regime into fold
Economique: easily top 3 with Europe, China, etc also competitions Inshallah if Muslim rules are following OIC take this place
Argue where Muslim Union Ummah is place if Russian Federation of our brotherly talented country of immense history unite and Chinese person of short statures and tiny tools but practice of kwando karate bowing to fatso amerikunts is aliigning to only muslims ignoraing fats amerikunts nonmulslim.s, then i am cngratulation to our chinese persons sayonara and teached me more karate kung fu tawkwandos for ninjas style fighting to militarymen
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This message has been edited by anglozionazikiller on Nov 1, 2008 11:50 PM
mr constipated anus
I urge you to get well first use good medicine rest in good hospice care
what you are writing is excrements worthy material its should be excreted through to toilets cleaned ur backside using amerikunts obesity anglo flags as toilet paper
unfortunatley due ur constipated anus you are making dirty propaganda
no trolling
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Quote:Argue where Muslim Union Ummah is place if Russian Federation of our brotherly talented country of immense history unite and Chinese person of short statures and tiny tools but practice of kwando karate bowing to fatso amerikunts is aliigning to only muslims ignoraing fats amerikunts nonmulslim.s, then i am cngratulation to our chinese persons sayonara and teached me more karate kung fu tawkwandos for ninjas style fighting to militarymen
I tought I would never see the day, but I think a new Paje is born....ROFL
Probably the opposite of paje in terms of believes and world views, but the striking resemblance in english laguage structure and vocabular complexity.
Just give up already, its all a dream, there will never be muslim unity, external forces will never allow for that to happen, perhaps the day when the oil and gas reserves of the region have run dry, but until then I'm afraid the good populations of your country and other neighbouring countries will remain enslaved to opportunistic puppets which have western interests on their agenda.
Population: Approx 1,5 billion
Active forces: >6 million
Airplanes: > 2,000 (not sure some more informed person fill in here)
Tanks: > 18,000? (not sure eithers)
Is anglozionaikiller mentally sane? not sure either.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950), Man and Superman (1903) "Maxims for Revolutionists"
only becuase of nationalism secularism and of course culture for the ummah to be united our different cultures must be erased and replaced with the sharia but that wont happen turks will be turks persians will be persian blacks will be black etc etc
Population: Approx 1,5 billion
Active forces: >6 million
Airplanes: > 2,000 (not sure some more informed person fill in here)
Tanks: > 18,000? (not sure eithers)
Is anglozionaikiller mentally sane? not sure either.
Erm, those are realistic figures...if anyhting hes underestimated the numbers.
^^ Its not about the figures, it doesnt bother me if the figures get inflated 10 times. Thing is this idiot wants to create a new country out of muslims and he is dreaming of a Islamic republic.
This Islamic republic will be formed by the existing muslims states and muslims people all over the world. So muslims from UK, France, Germany, Australia in fact any country you can imagine will emigrate to this Islamic republic.
Where exactly is this Islamic republic in the first place and where is its capital, what is its economy, industry, currency etc etc. Do you people ever think anything beyond religion?
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anglozionazikiller, brother whats your nationality?
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its a good idea of my nationality location brothers this is my lcoations
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"rm, those are realistic figures...if anyhting hes underestimated the numbers.
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Alhamdulillah brother its going thru right path of truth which give success
Is somebody here wanting to make good numbers for estimates of arsenal of muslims brotherly union?
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"I tought I would never see the day, but I think a new Paje is born....ROFL
Probably the opposite of paje in terms of believes and world views, but the striking resemblance in english laguage structure and vocabular complexity.
Just give up already, its all a dream, there will never be muslim unity, external forces will never allow for that to happen, perhaps the day when the oil and gas reserves of the region have run dry, but until then I'm afraid the good populations of your country and other neighbouring countries will remain enslaved to opportunistic puppets which have western interests on their agenda."
Paje is spambots unleashed of CIA mossad organization to spread violence and conflictation with muslims and christians in latinao amerikun
its total failure
now your saying unity after oil gas run out of middle east brothers muslim ummah is much much bigger than that it can include whole universe outside planet earth if only human belief in Allah truth and Islam
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"Its not about the figures, it doesnt bother me if the figures get inflated 10 times. Thing is this idiot wants to create a new country out of muslims and he is dreaming of a Islamic republic.
This Islamic republic will be formed by the existing muslims states and muslims people all over the world. So muslims from UK, France, Germany, Australia in fact any country you can imagine will emigrate to this Islamic republic.
Where exactly is this Islamic republic in the first place and where is its capital, what is its economy, industry, currency etc etc. Do you people ever think anything beyond religion?"
Hendu inferiority get outta this thread
I dont bother at all what botherd your monkey brainless rat worshipping kind urine drinking ghandi spurned illiterate skinny ugly weakling dark coconut smut porno kamarsurteis ghandi britsh servant idli kerala vegetarian smelly toiletless begging thiefing kidns
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Whos "we" you insignificant lttle asssie? your country could be taken over by iraq in a week.
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a(u)ssie is anglo servant of colonial britian blooody sexons topless nudity drunk drugged orgy poep priest penetration children backside fellation orgy anali threesome bikini nekked dancing upskirt dildo showving up backside display ALL westenrs females slvts whroes kindky bithches its truth they are jungle culture?
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Islam is greater than culture, race or nation. The only way we will unite is if we return to our religion. This unity will bring so much to the Muslim people. We are capable of becoming a Superpower. The problem is Muslims do not want success and are afraid to take on the rest of the world.
This will happen according to my religion although I do not see it happening before the return of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him).
The Muslims believe that Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was not crucified on the cross. They believe that he was raised to the heavens by the Lord and the Lord put someone (the Lord made him look like Jesus) in Jesus spot. There will be a day when Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) will return to this world. He will return not as a prophet but as a follower of Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). Upon his arrival all the world's Christians will become Muslims. After some time the whole world will become Muslim for the Lord has said the whole world will taste Islam. I can't wait for that day. Indeed only someone so great can bring something so beautiful.
Long live the great Muslim people.
Long live the great Muslim nations.
That is exactly where the problem lies. You see those countries that actually possess a culture of their own tend to appreciate and value their culture and preserve it at the cost of their lives. Look at yourself for example, presumably you are a brown man of Indian descent who has lost all his identity to a foreign religion. You have an Arabic name, wear Arabic clothes, despise your fellow Indian brethren and call them dirty, even though genetically they are identical to you. You learn Arabic, speak it, teach it to your kids and teach them the Islamic Arabic way of life. Iranians had a hard time accepting this imperialist invasive new religion that aimed to rob them of their culture and nationality. That is why you find Iran and places that traditionally were part of Iran have their own version of Islam, which integrates national Persian heroes such as Rostam with Islamic ones like Ali to make it more acceptable to the country as a whole. Here is a fact for you to consider: Iranians are some of the LEAST religious people in the world. They may still call themselves Muslims, but they drink alcohol, listen to music, despise every aspect of religious backwardness. Thinking that Iranians will part with national identity to form an alliance with their traditional enemies (Arab/Muslim countries) is nothing more than a pipe dream in the minds of brainwashed poor souls like yourself my lost Indian friend.
"That is exactly where the problem lies. You see those countries that actually possess a culture of their own tend to appreciate and value their culture and preserve it at the cost of their lives. Look at yourself for example, presumably you are a brown man of Indian descent who has lost all his identity to a foreign religion. You have an Arabic name, wear Arabic clothes, despise your fellow Indian brethren and call them dirty, even though genetically they are identical to you. You learn Arabic, speak it, teach it to your kids and teach them the Islamic Arabic way of life. Iranians had a hard time accepting this imperialist invasive new religion that aimed to rob them of their culture and nationality. That is why you find Iran and places that traditionally were part of Iran have their own version of Islam, which integrates national Persian heroes such as Rostam with Islamic ones like Ali to make it more acceptable to the country as a whole. Here is a fact for you to consider: Iranians are some of the LEAST religious people in the world. They may still call themselves Muslims, but they drink alcohol, listen to music, despise every aspect of religious backwardness. Thinking that Iranians will part with national identity to form an alliance with their traditional enemies (Arab/Muslim countries) is nothing more than a pipe dream in the minds of brainwashed poor souls like yourself my lost Indian friend."
Quote:That is exactly where the problem lies. You see those countries that actually possess a culture of their own tend to appreciate and value their culture and preserve it at the cost of their lives. Look at yourself for example, presumably you are a brown man of Indian descent who has lost all his identity to a foreign religion. You have an Arabic name, wear Arabic clothes, despise your fellow Indian brethren and call them dirty, even though genetically they are identical to you. You learn Arabic, speak it, teach it to your kids and teach them the Islamic Arabic way of life. Iranians had a hard time accepting this imperialist invasive new religion that aimed to rob them of their culture and nationality. That is why you find Iran and places that traditionally were part of Iran have their own version of Islam, which integrates national Persian heroes such as Rostam with Islamic ones like Ali to make it more acceptable to the country as a whole. Here is a fact for you to consider: Iranians are some of the LEAST religious people in the world. They may still call themselves Muslims, but they drink alcohol, listen to music, despise every aspect of religious backwardness. Thinking that Iranians will part with national identity to form an alliance with their traditional enemies (Arab/Muslim countries) is nothing more than a pipe dream in the minds of brainwashed poor souls like yourself my lost Indian friend.
Very weak argument.
1. Pakistani Muslims do not wear Arabic clothes but generally tend to wear clothing from their own culture e.g. Shalwar Khamis.
2. Culture/identity is something fluid and constantly changing. Muslims of Pakistan may use Arabic names, but people of South America use Spanish names but are proud of their distinct Latino identity and some despise "los conquistadores".
3. Uniting on the basis of belief and what is the right thing to do is far superior than bonding based on blood. I would rather be friends with a white/yellow/brown/black guy who is a good person than an evil person who happens to be from my race.
Uniting upon belief is inclusive as those who embrace that belief can be included, whereas race-based "unity" is inherently exclusive as no one can change his race.
4. Iran is an example of how cultures change. You can find Turkic people in Iran who are more interested in unity with Persian-speaking fellow citizens of Iran than with ethnic counterparts elsewhere. i.e. we can say to them "You have a Persian name, wear Persian clothes, despise your fellow Turkic brethren and call them Tork khars, even though genetically they are identical to you. You learn Persian, speak it, teach it to your kids and teach them the Persian Shia way of life and do not want to be part of "GREAT TURAN".
Even Ahmadinejad is half Turkic (Azeri) half Baluchi (sister-nation of the Kurds) and not descended from the Aryans.
Anyway Muslims are the worst enemies of Muslims and have no one else to blame but themselves. However we are brothers and we are one ummah and no matter of jealousy can destroy the feelings of brotherhood that we have for us which transcends race, nation and colour despite our differences and conflicts.
1. Pakistani Muslims do not wear Arabic clothes but generally tend to wear clothing from their own culture e.g. Shalwar Khamis.
They can wear any clothing they want, it only bothers refugees from Iran who cant find their way back in, their only refuge is western nations with anti Islamic agendas.
2. Culture/identity is something fluid and constantly changing. Muslims of Pakistan may use Arabic names, but people of South America use Spanish names but are proud of their distinct Latino identity and some despise "los conquistadores".
They probably name themselves Tim Bahram Smith or whatever else to fit into anglo cultures, now they point fingers at Pakis. They probably themselves (more than 90% of posters in WAFF) amerikan citizens or residents, follow its culture but point fingers at Pakistanis for having "Arabic" names?
Pakistani leaders have non arabic names too afaik, Bhutto? Zardari? These are not Arabic names afaik.
3. Uniting on the basis of belief and what is the right thing to do is far superior than bonding based on blood. I would rather be friends with a white/yellow/brown/black guy who is a good person than an evil person who happens to be from my race.
That's a matter of personal choice perhaps.
Uniting upon belief is inclusive as those who embrace that belief can be included, whereas race-based "unity" is inherently exclusive as no one can change his race.
Just because it's inclusive doesn't mean it's superior. What if Christians ask you to convert as that's inclusive too?
4. Iran is an example of how cultures change. You can find Turkic people in Iran who are more interested in unity with Persian-speaking fellow citizens of Iran than with ethnic counterparts elsewhere. i.e. we can say to them "You have a Persian name, wear Persian clothes, despise your fellow Turkic brethren and call them Tork khars, even though genetically they are identical to you. You learn Persian, speak it, teach it to your kids and teach them the Persian Shia way of life and do not want to be part of "GREAT TURAN".
There is no genetic phenotype representing a typical tork. The khars are hybrids of invading mongols bred with greeks armenians kurds etc.
Even Ahmadinejad is half Turkic (Azeri) half Baluchi (sister-nation of the Kurds) and not descended from the Aryans.
ok
Anyway Muslims are the worst enemies of Muslims and have no one else to blame but themselves. However we are brothers and we are one ummah and no matter of jealousy can destroy the feelings of brotherhood that we have for us which transcends race, nation and colour despite our differences and conflicts.
Muslims aren't Muslims' worst enemies, but Muslims have themselves to blame for not seeing the obvious - that only bigger entities are set to gain in the near future, smaller ones will becme pawns of bigger players, economically, scientifcally, miltiarily, and politically. If you can't see that and want to enjoy a brief passing moment of "grandeur" as a ruler of a tiny powerless country, you are set to lose. That's the case with most muslim countries, none of them is large enough.
According to IMF's latest October 2008 World Economic Outlook, Muslim countries combined have an economy smaller than European Union and USA only. It's even bigger than China if you include OIC Observers, if you exclude them it's 91% the size of the Chinese economy with about similar population but vastly different in diversity.
Therefore even without unification Muslim countries are easily even at a troubled point like now and point of invasion of many of its components, among the top 4 economies. Now if we are to believe that Amerikan economic output is exaggerated by fraudulent statistics, then Muslim countries move up a notch.
That's even without unification and realizing its true potential. Now imagine if it unifies.
Pakistanis are indeed Arabized, more progressively so since 1947. Names like Bhutto and Zardari are not Arabic, but those are north Indian (Punjabi) last names (thankfully they have survived the Islamic onslaught), but many also have names like Sharif, Ali, Muhammad, etc. And their first names are completely Arabic/Farsi. It is to the point that naming your child something secular like "Rose" flower in Punjabi is considered a Hindu name, but naming them Rose in Arabic is considered a Muslim name. This dichotomy exists in the eastern wing of the subcontinent's Muslim majority area as well.
The Pakistanis here aside from Wasim will go to terrible lengths to prove they aren't Indian ethnically/culturally. It is like telling a Dominican he is black.
Islamization and Arabization are two totally different things.
1. As for Bhutto and Zardari these are not Punjabi names, but Sindhi and Balochi.
2. Pakistanis are more in touch with their pre-Islamic and indigenous elements of their culture than for example Latinos in South America are. How native American is a name like "Hugo Chavez"?
3. Hindu extremists view south Asian Muslims as Hindus who have been Islamized and should ideally "rightfully" (from the Hindutva angle) revert to their indigenous Hindu ways. This is similar to the way Serbs view Bosniaks as Serbs who have been Islamized and should turn to Christianity. They view a Muslim community in the heart of Christian Europe as something artificial and a remnant of the Ottoman period.
4. Yes, there is a somewhat romantic emphasis on the mid-east/central Asian elements of Pakistani history and identity. All their missiles are named after Afghan Muslim conquerors and others such as Abdali etc.
However this is not unique to Pakistan but a universal phenomena.
its total world's biggest superpower become inshallah if its uniteds but enemies planning must being foiled for its to happened
imf is being euros topless nudity nekked bikini dancing faggotry homosexual westerns amerikunts obesity fatso dildo up arse pole dancing dildo pope priest penetration children backside fellation its jungle culture?
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"Islamization and Arabization are two totally different things.
1. As for Bhutto and Zardari these are not Punjabi names, but Sindhi and Balochi. "
sadly not being total muslim names but close to hendus
"2. Pakistanis are more in touch with their pre-Islamic and indigenous elements of their culture than for example Latinos in South America are. How native American is a name like "Hugo Chavez"? "
its not good being pandering hankering for past yearning those gone by years coming back its wistful only cause pain inaction. if change neeeded make change that is being wise. hendus are being jealous dont being fallling for their trap
"3. Hindu extremists view south Asian Muslims as Hindus who have been Islamized and should ideally "rightfully" (from the Hindutva angle) revert to their indigenous Hindu ways. This is similar to the way Serbs view Bosniaks as Serbs who have been Islamized and should turn to Christianity. They view a Muslim community in the heart of Christian Europe as something artificial and a remnant of the Ottoman period. "
what were hnedus before? they weant every one drinking urine stupid fools dont u understanded if everyone start drinks urine who supply it? u hendus must drinking fresh urine every day from foreign imported countrys inside alcohols bottled?
"4. Yes, there is a somewhat romantic emphasis on the mid-east/central Asian elements of Pakistani history and identity. All their missiles are named after Afghan Muslim conquerors and others such as Abdali etc.
However this is not unique to Pakistan but a universal phenomena.
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natural its not romantics being pragmatics its truth of pakistani society its islamic republic if its not islamic its not existent although very poor pakistan is one of staunchest muslim countries it come to help anywhere for muslim ummah cuase but british zionazi hendus alliance to foil plot make pakis dance to hendus tunes being nonislamic amerikunts joined with bribing to hendu pakis leadershipied
pakistan must being strong alliance in all fields of science technology (very poor its iin thesed fiellds compared to leader of rising devlopment world Islamic Iran) military (quites good) economic (very poor) education (veeeery poor) culture (falled to hendus trap+anglo ploy)
its must be resisted in all aspects by all costs
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is it declared to being pakis? saudis? torks? Iran? other?
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how will you solve the problem of sectarian division .........
the diff. b/w shia , sunni ahmedi etc etc .........
in the proposed ummah ..... who will lead shia or sunni ......(my choice is shias)
in case of cultural unity .... which culture will be given priority ..... the Arabic(the originals) , the Persian (more advanced culture), the turks , Indonesians(largest no of Muslims)or the subcontinental(2nd largest ).....
can any one address these issues before dreamng about an united ummah
"how will you solve the problem of sectarian division .........
the diff. b/w shia , sunni ahmedi etc etc .........
in the proposed ummah ..... who will lead shia or sunni ......(my choice is shias)
in case of cultural unity .... which culture will be given priority ..... the Arabic(the originals) , the Persian (more advanced culture), the turks , Indonesians(largest no of Muslims)or the subcontinental(2nd largest ).....
can any one address these issues before dreamng about an united ummah
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are you muslim?
if u r urine drinker ghandi smut dirty ganges weakling veggie coocnut smelly idli drunk porno hendu cow dung eating worshipping ers
get ur house in ordered first
cultural unitys it not being first step, exchange /interchange is planninged
its not sunni shiah who lead its muslims who lead nobody want to care who sunni shia because even leadership of ummah country iran mr ahmadinejad brother go turkey pray
also ALL muslim country go hajj off all parts ofworld perform SAME PILGRIMAGE HAJJ
unifications is political aspection its blockinged by zionazi amerikunts ploitting with anglo schemes
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listen bangladesi cockroach ........ my stock of abuses is not lesser then any1 else ..... but i am here to discuss and debate ........ so if u have the balls ...... then debate ... if not then fuc*k off ........
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about me being a muslim or not ........ its none of ur concern ........ if u want to debate it among muslims only ....... then do it in ur personal forum not here ........ just like inbreeding .........
"about me being a muslim or not ........ its none of ur concern ........ if u want to debate it among muslims only ....... then do it in ur personal forum not here ........ just like inbreeding ......... "
of couse its my concern
its none of ur concern what muslims do just get the eff outta here
what i do here is not determine by ur ghandi weakling type get lost drunkard coocnut curry muncher rat cow dung
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"then how do you explain you being a khar? or antar for that matter???"
iranian brothershood? he is ur brother
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its none of ur concern what muslims do just get the eff outta here
what i do here is not determine by ur ghandi weakling type get lost drunkard coocnut curry muncher rat cow dung
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then why u r posting it in WAFF ........ ITS NOT UR PERSONAL BREEDING GROUND GOAT LOVER ......... DISCUSS IT AMONG UR GOATS ........ FILTHY KATTU ...... KANJAR BANGLADESHI
"then why u r posting it in WAFF ........ ITS NOT UR PERSONAL BREEDING GROUND GOAT LOVER ......... DISCUSS IT AMONG UR GOATS ........ FILTHY KATTU ...... KANJAR BANGLADESHI
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hey hendu what happen urine cow not give much urine? its too chilli spice hot curry?
no need to tell how you talk to ur friends, here we are discussing ummah if ur not part of it get lost
its too difficult?
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then how do you explain you being a khar? or antar for that matter???
An ahmaq like you had better return to Iran before talking trash. Bichare mohajir miskin (nothing against poor people) try learning some civility for a change.
hendus friends relatives stars celebrities action ghandi porno call centre ugly weakling smelly curry mundher dothead idli veggie coconut its terrible
your sister family all is indian? nice to know
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