Erdogan: Focus on Israeli nukes not Iran N energy program

Mon, 28 Sep 2009 06:22:22 GMT



The Turkish president has condemned Western countries' focus on Iran's nuclear program, stressing that the world should deal with Israel's nuclear weapons instead.

Turkey's "Radikal" newspaper on Sunday reported that Recep Tayyip Erdogan's strong comments against Israel's nuclear program was similar to his "one minute" stance in Davos in January when he walked out of a televised debate with his Israeli counterpart Shimon Peres.

Erdogan told reporters in New York that Iran's nuclear program is not aimed at "military ends".

The Turkish president noted that Israel has "nuclear weapons" and has used "phosphorous bombs" against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

"Why these are not on the agenda? It is always Iran" Erdogan told reporters in New York.

"If only Iran is put on the world agenda, then we may neglect other issues such as the Gaza [conflict] that should be addressed," he said.

Erdogan, upon his arrival to Istanbul from New York, said that during his meetings in the UN General Assembly and the G20 leaders' summit in Pittsburg, no military option against Iran has been on agenda.

Iran's northwestern neighbor has also urged caution over imposing any new sanctions on Tehran, saying they will not be useful.

The Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan is due to visit Tehran next month to discuss Iran's nuclear program with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Erdogan ruled out any attempts to impose sanctions on Tehran's gas industry, saying sanctions would be especially problematic for its neighbor Turkey.

The Turkish president has plans to visit Iran next month to help resolve the dispute over Tehran's nuclear program.

"I will make a trip to Iran towards the end of October... We will discuss regional problems, including this (nuclear) one," Turkey's Anatolia news agency quoted Erdogan as saying.

Israel, which is the only possessor of nuclear weapons in the Middle East and has imposed seveal wars on the region, accuses Iran of trying to develop a military nuclear program and has repeatedly voiced its determination to halt the Islamic Republic's nuclear program through military options.

Unlike Israel, Iran is a signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and has been pushing for a the removal of all weapons of mass destruction across the globe.

Tehran says its nuclear program is being pursued within the framework of the IAEA and international regulations.

The UN nuclear watchdog in its previous reports had confirmed that Iran only enriches uranium-235 to a level of "less than 5 percent."

Uranium, which fuels a nuclear power plant, can be used for military purposes only if enriched to high levels of above 90 percent.

MGH/DT




annihilating heathens since 900 a.d.

So much for erdogan and his Isreali alliance. He can't have it both ways. Or yes he can! He may soon feel an Isreali shlong when the dumo Turdgay as their holiday mecca.

Israel's nukes are necassary. Any country surrounded by enemies justifiably needs nuclear weapons.

However the same argument can be made for the regime in Iran. As much as I hate their guts, they are surrounded by the US military. However, if Iran uses a nuclear weapon than the response would be very catastrophic for them.

Hopefully we will see a free Iran before such an event occurs.

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Ur right the Iran ummah brotherhoods therefore rightly deserves to ownings nuclear weapons with capabilitieds to turn washingtons californications and djew york to dust, why this hullabuloo over iran energy program then?


I admireds very few turks of today one of which such persons includeds are beings mr recep tayep erdogan... great visionary leader, unfortunately leadings a bunch of sheepherders mongols with low intelligence who never produce an intellectuals civilization.

quite naturally only durings "leadership" of turkics in arabics land, did its get conquered by kuffar europa gayiety, and even palestines was cededs to joos, before, its would have never happeneds, as europa (only the kuffars) alwasy got short end of stick from islamics ruleds warriors.



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Mr Erdogan is a wise and savy politician. He know it is too late to pounce on Iran regarding the nukes. Better to deal with the real problem in the region, the Israeli arsenal.

i recon erdogan is doing a great job on this and Israel has 200 nuclear weapons while other m.e nation don't have it

Israel's nukes are necassary. Any country surrounded by enemies justifiably needs nuclear weapons.

However the same argument can be made for the regime in Iran. As much as I hate their guts, they are surrounded by the US military. However, if Iran uses a nuclear weapon than the response would be very catastrophic for them.

So what you're essentially saying is that Israel should have the right to possess nukes and use them against its neighbours but her neighbours should not nuke it back on the grounds that they are not israel? lol... how very convenient. That essentially give israel free reign to do anything it pleases in the region and get away with it.

Ahh the refreshing views of gods chosen people.

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And it seems like the media immediately points a finger at me
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When you won't just put up with the bull**** they pull
Cause they full of **** too

"Hopefully we will see a free Iran before such an event occurs."


David, Iran being more free then right now does not change anything between Iran and Isreal. The vast majority of Iranians support the Palestinians they will do so as long as Isreal does what it is doing.


Nuclear weapons are a solely a defensive weapon..... its days as an offensive weapons had been long gone.

Hopefully we will see a free Iran before such an event occurs.

Thank you. However let's tweak that wish to inculde Israel. Let's hope for a region free of extremism which includes Islamic Fundamentalism and Zionism since current Israel is a threat for peace as well.

 

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The issue is far past palestine now, the main problem iran faces along with some other non compliant nations (syria and lebanon) is that america wants to rule the region with using an iron fist and using israel as a major proxy and its saudi, jordanian and egyption puppets as lesser proxies. Taking away this supremacy from Israel (and the arab puppets) is only a first step to taking away control from america and giving some rightful control back to nations who have existed in this region for thousands of years.

America doesnt like its power fading, america starts wars in iraq and afghanistan, america imposes sanctions.

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And all of this controversy circles me
And it seems like the media immediately points a finger at me
So I point one back at 'em
But not the index or the pinky or the ring or the thumb
It's the one you put up when you don't give a ****
When you won't just put up with the bull**** they pull
Cause they full of **** too

"Better to deal with the real problem in the region, the Israeli arsenal. "

Oh yeah, the only democratic nation in the region that has been attacked several times by larger nations (not to mention groups of nations). Nations, I might add, whose stated aim was the annihilation of Israel. How could I be so blind, it's obvious when looking at myriad of problems facing the region that the root cause of all them is a nuclear armed Israel.

My dog is less gullible than you...you are being manipulated and distracted by smart politicians, I hope you grow out of it before you can vote...

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"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw

***Taking away this supremacy from Israel (and the arab puppets) is only a first step to taking away control from america and giving some rightful control back to nations who have existed in this region for thousands of years. ***

LOL STFU. You just mean Iran. Iranians just hate America for not what it does but that Iran is not the one doing such things.



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@Coalakid

Allow me to educate you just a bit.
The zionist entity is a parasite in the region. It is loathed and looked at with disdain. By deifinition a "zionist" state can not be a democracy, certainly no more than an Islamic republic could be one. It is a racist and bioggted failed bunker full of dynamite. It has garnered the hatred and distrust of all its neighbors. It is just a matter of time for it to implode as did the racist appartheid regime of South Africa.

Now I hope you don't continue being as gullible as my neighbor's dog. He keeps licking his own balls thinking he may get treats from his owner. Hopefully you know better....

let me know if I can educate you furthur.

@Maz

I love brainwashed idiots like you.

"Allow me to educate you just a bit."

Please do...


"The zionist entity is a parasite in the region. It is loathed and looked at with disdain."

Israel was created by a vote at the UN, the organization of nation states on this planet, whether it is loathed or disdained is irrelevant...and quite frankly the inhabitants of Israel enjoy a much better standard of living than Iranians (or other Middle Easterners).


"By deifinition a "zionist" state can not be a democracy, certainly no more than an Islamic republic could be one."

Actually every Israeli citizen (regardless of race or religion) can vote, in fact there are roughly 11 Arab member of Knesset...what Israel does not have is a governing body of clerics.

"It is a racist and bioggted failed bunker full of dynamite. It has garnered the hatred and distrust of all its neighbors."

Hmmmm, you don't think the fact that those neighbors attacked it several times with the intent of the destruction of Israel has anything to do with that hate?

"It is just a matter of time for it to implode as did the racist appartheid regime of South Africa."

Time will tell won't it.

"Now I hope you don't continue being as gullible as my neighbor's dog. He keeps licking his own balls thinking he may get treats from his owner. Hopefully you know better...."

I highly suggest you pay close attention to your neighbors dog, he is obviously better mannered than you...you may even pickup some personal hygiene tips as well (he licks his balls to clean them...not because he wants treats). You may also want to suggest to your neighbor that he get his dog neutered, if he is not breeding it, as male canines develop testicular cancer at a much higher rate than men.

"let me know if I can educate you furthur. "

I'm not sure that is possible as your are gullible sheeple who has absolved himself of original thought and prefers to parrot the words of others as opposed to looking into the facts and coming to your own conclusions.

Let me know if you have any other questions about canine behavior as I have read voraciously on the subject...as you are obviously not informed enough to have a mature discussion with on any matter of a political nature.

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George Bernard Shaw

"Israel was created by a vote at the UN, the organization of nation states on this planet, whether it is loathed or disdained is irrelevant..."

You are right! That's how every other country on this planet was created. I guess a chunk of real estate in Bavaria, North America or elsewhere on the planet was unavaiable on short notice.Just give the migrants a few shiny new bazookas and the neighbors will fall in place

"quite frankly the inhabitants of Israel enjoy a much better standard of living than Iranians (or other Middle Easterners). "


Yes, thanks to my and 300 million other American tax payer dollars (please see my previous post with regards to "parasites")... these free loaders even have a better health care system on our dime than most Americans...oh screw that...they are the chosen people.They deserve it.


"Actually every Israeli citizen (regardless of race or religion) can vote, in fact there are roughly 11 Arab member of Knesset.."

yah I know it is a real treat being able to vote in your own home...

"You are right! That's how every other country on this planet was created."

All the countries that have came into being since 1946 have been recognized by a vote in the UN general assembly.

"I guess a chunk of real estate in Bavaria, North America or elsewhere on the planet was unavaiable on short notice.Just give the migrants a few shiny new bazookas and the neighbors will fall in place"

Were ancient Romans hallucinating when they spoke of the Kingdom of Judea? Or are you saying that Jews originated in Bavaria or North America? You are aware that the Koran mentions not only Jews but the fact they lived in the area...are you calling Allah liar? Or do you believe the Caliphate reached North America or Bavaria?

"Yes, thanks to my and 300 million other American tax payer dollars (please see my previous post with regards to "parasites")... these free loaders even have a better health care system on our dime than most Americans...oh screw that...they are the chosen people.They deserve it."

Actually it's several billion of your dollars every year...but what the USA does with it's money is a matter for the US electorate, no? On a different tact would you be calling Iranians freeloaders if you sent them the same money?

"yah I know it is a real treat being able to vote in your own home..."

I have no idea what you are saying here. Are you accusing Israel of keeping it's Arab citizens from voting? If so how did 11 Arabs get elected to the Knesset?

On a side note, I might even vote in municipal elections if I could vote from my home.

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George Bernard Shaw

"are you calling Allah liar?"

LAHOL-VILA-KHUAT!!!! Tauba! Tauba! Tauba!

You calling allah a liar?






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"You calling allah a liar? "

Maybe that is too harsh...perhaps geographically challenged would be better.

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"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw

How about Erdogan focus on Turkey's endless problems?

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Were ancient Romans hallucinating when they spoke of the Kingdom of Judea? Or are you saying that Jews originated in Bavaria or North America? You are aware that the Koran mentions not only Jews but the fact they lived in the area...are you calling Allah liar? Or do you believe the Caliphate reached North America or Bavaria?


The koran mentions alot of things about the jews including that they lived in that area and that they were exiled from that area for their sins. The jews according to their own religion are still in exile from israel and jewish groups such as the naturei kartei are opposed to the creation and existence of an israeli state until the arrival of a promised saviour which would see them come out of exile and, again according to their own religion, rule the world.

The problem is people mistake zionism for some sort of interpretation of judaism. It is a secular political movement as religious as the devil himself. It was officially created by one secular jew named theodor herzl and was intially opposed by many jews at that time.. it seeks to forcefully emulate the idea of jews coming out of exile, returning to israel and from there ruling the world, without an actual messiah leading them.

Nevertheless muslims accepted the jews into Palestine, if you look at the time before Palestine came under british mandate, during ottoman rule, they were living side by side with palestinians and none of todays problems existed. What muslims do not accept is a non muslim apartheid state that nurtures settlements and annexation of palestinian land, sendng palestinians into camps, destroys their homes, bringing european settlers into their land and denying them the right to vote under which state they wish to be ruled under even though it claims to be the most democratic state in the middle east.

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And all of this controversy circles me
And it seems like the media immediately points a finger at me
So I point one back at 'em
But not the index or the pinky or the ring or the thumb
It's the one you put up when you don't give a ****
When you won't just put up with the bull**** they pull
Cause they full of **** too

"Nevertheless muslims accepted the jews into Palestine, if you look at the time before Palestine came under british mandate, during ottoman rule, they were living side by side with palestinians and none of todays problems existed."

So what your saying is that the tribe that identified its members as Jews originated somewhere else? Where was that exactly?

I understand what your side of the argument is...namely that the borders of the Caliphate should be held sacrosanct in eternity at it's maximum extent. Unfortunately since those borders were expanded primarily through the force of arms, it strikes me as rather backhanded way off saying that "aggressive expansion is fine as long as we are doing it"...sorry my mind has hard time wrapping itself around such a grand hypocrisy.

"What muslims do not accept is a non muslim apartheid state that nurtures settlements and annexation of palestinian land,"

So, again your saying that Judea never existed and that Caliphate never militarily annexed the land?

"sendng palestinians into camps,"

No the Jews created refugees, the surrounding Arab leaders put them in camps...and have kept them there since as a useful distraction to mask their own ineptitude...the solution seems simple to me, give the Palestinians citizenship in Egypt or Jordan.

"destroys their homes, bringing european settlers into their land and denying them the right to vote under which state they wish to be ruled under"

That certainly explains the 11 Arab Knesset members and the fact that Hamas won the last elections in the areas controlled by the PA.

"even though it claims to be the most democratic state in the middle east."

Name me a more democratic state in the region? Bonus points if it is nominally Muslim nation.

Pappa, I certainly do not deny that mean things have been done to Palestinians by Israeli's (and vice versa), but the facts are these...

- Israel was created by the UN on November 30th 1947
- Almost immediately after the vote internal violence erupted (from both sides) effectively creating a state of civil war in the area that was now Israel
- On May 15th 1948 Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Jordan sent troops to aid the Palestinians

From there on in I don't really care what happened, the fact of the matter is that 4 nations declared war on another nation and international law allows nations to defend themselves. However to claim that the root of all the issues in the region is Israel is a blatant and intentional distraction/excuse created by poor leaders to mask their ineptness.

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My point wasnt that muslims are innocent. War and annexation during the caliphate era were not solely muslim practices, Christians did it too (eg. the crusades, roman empire) and so did every other nation if you didnt annex the other guys land he would annex yours, if you didnt defeat his army his army would defeat yours. What was war then was replaced by what is human rights, diplomacy, geneva conventions and the un now. Justifying occupation of a land in the 20th century because the iron fist ruled the previous centuries but then preaching human rights, nations rights, the geneva conventions, democracy and so forth and expecting everyone but yourself to abide by them is more hypocritical. If Europe wants to practice something but preach something else and expect the world to abide by those rules regardless then it should just start preaching what it practices and tell the world to do the same.

If the caliphate era justifies the occupation of Palestine in the 21st century, then no one should abide by human rights protocols, nations rights, diplomacy, the geneva conventions. All prisoners of war should be killed because thats what the guy we are fighting today did 2000 years ago. Fine, lets return to that, im not complaining but if thats the case then you cant go around imposing sanctions on nations, invading them due to violation of agreements, claim legal intervention in any war or condemning them for breaking international protocol and then veto yourself or your buddy israel if any legal repercussion come back to bite you in the butt.


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And all of this controversy circles me
And it seems like the media immediately points a finger at me
So I point one back at 'em
But not the index or the pinky or the ring or the thumb
It's the one you put up when you don't give a ****
When you won't just put up with the bull**** they pull
Cause they full of **** too

@Papparage (why do I always feel like ordering pizza when I see your moniker? )

It boils down to this.

Either you accept the existence of the nation state Israel as it is today and the authority of the UN to mandate such things (and therefore work the UN system, however flawed, to get the desired result), or you do not accept modern international law.

To that end, any group (or proto-nation...which is what I view the Palestinians as) calling for the eradication of any nation state is in violation and therefore supporting would be a contradiction in logic and therefore you cannot claim the shield of international law without being a hypocrite...it is that simple, really. Therefore should an organization decide to ignore international law, such as the states surrounding Israel in 1947 and any group calling for the eradication of Israel today, it should willing to accept the consequences, no? It also makes all discussion about who lived where prior to 1946 irrelevant.

The other thing to keep in mind is that international politics seems to have a variation of an old (ancient really) engineering concept, as designed vs. as built. It basically, is the concept that things will have to be modified from the original design to make them physically possible in the real world. If you apply this concept to politics you eventually end up with this idiom, ideal vs. realism. It is a long, but logical, process to arrive at that point...but the comparison between to two is blatantly obvious, at least in my mind.

Now the interesting thing about ideals is that they are very easily used to whip humans, in particular when operating in groups (applying the physical laws of gravity and inertia when dealing with human interaction is a another handy mental shortcut) into an uncompromising frenzy. This, I have observed, blinds them to other issues and makes them much more open to persuasions that support the initial ideal. However idealistic positions are highly unrealistic, as they effectively require the other side to capitulate entirely, which is hypocritical and illogical because you are expecting your opposite to follow a course of action you refuse. Of course this concept is easily sold to the unobservant because, after all, who doesn't believe themselves superior to a demonized opponent?

This leaves realism, well our perception of it really, and in that I have noticed the laws of gravity can be transposed (vaguely...anyway ) relatively easily. The long and the short of it is that larger entities exert more force than smaller ones. When transposed to human interaction this means that the compromise position is not equidistant between the two, but closer to the more powerful entity based upon their relative power.

So applying these principles to the issue we are discussing I arrive at the following conclusions...

1. Both sides will have to compromise (the smallest spec of dust exerts gravity upon the sun after all)
2. The compromise position will most likely favor Israel (or "the Juice" if you prefer)
3. Larger entities hold the power to sway the compromise point one way or the other, however the distance along the "compromise plane" (for lack of a better term) is minimal due to their distance from the other...masses.

So I believe each individual can decide to continue to believe in an unrealistic final outcome and therefore support the conflict or work toward a realistic compromise between the two positions. The rest I suppose is merely individuals believing they have more mass than they do in reality.

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I hate to be the guy to oversimplify an immensely complicated situation. But the Israeli-Palestinian issue has nothing to do with Iranians. Arabs hate the "heretical" Iranians in the same way they hate the Jews.

In my original post I was saying that I understand the need for the Iranians to build nuclear weapons. Not because of Israel, but because of their aggressive neighbors and the threat of an invasion from the US. There is also the prestige factor. If a nation such as Pakistan possesses nukes, than the Iranian government may believe that they should as well because of their leadership position within the Shia community.

All things considered though, Israel has never formally acknowledged that they have nukes. So Iran cannot in the game of politics make an assertion that they are doing so in response to Israel. I think what they are doing by stalling is the most effective idea for them. They are also developing their capabilities in terms of projection of an eventual nuclear weapon so they are not exactly wasting their time.

Having said that I look forward to the day that Israel and Iran can govern the Middle East as partners or peaceful rivals. If they are so concerned about the welfare of Muslims, (which I believe is a farce) they would help their own within Iran, or the Chechens and Kashmiris who are in much direr straights than the Palestinians.

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