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More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 29 2010 at 6:36 AM

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More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

The Islamification of the UK and Europe is well under way. Creeping sharia continues unabated, and the indicators of this transformation are everywhere to be found. The most recent was this headline from the Daily Mail: Mohammed is now the most popular name for baby boys ahead of Jack and Harry.

When the 12 different spellings of the name are combined, this is now the most popular name for boys. This of course is not surprising given the demographic changes which have occurred in recent decades. Indeed, Brussels and Amsterdam have already beaten the UK with Muhammad being the most common name of newborn boys.

In both the UK and Europe these changes are quite pronounced. The statistics are plain for all to see. Consider these recent figures provided by Barnabas Fund, a group which works on behalf of persecuted Christians:

-In Western Europe there were only about 50,000 Muslims in 1900.
-By 1970 that number had grown to 3-4 million.
-By 2008 it exceeded 25 million.
-Forty per cent of Rotterdams population is Muslim.
-Brussels is one third Muslim.
-Muslims comprise a quarter of both Marseilles and Malmos populations.
-An estimated 20 per cent of inner Londons population is Muslim.
-Birminghams population is 15 per cent Muslim.
-A tenth of both Paris and Copenhagens population is Muslim.

I can add a few figures of my own concerning the situation in the UK:

-England has around 2 million Muslims, out of 60 million people.
-In London in 1960 there was one mosque. Today there are over 600 mosques in London.
-After the July 2005 London tube bombings, a poll of British Muslims found:
13% said the bombers should be regarded as martyrs.
16% said the cause was right, although the attacks may have been wrong.
7% said suicide attacks on civilians in the UK are justifiable under some circumstances.
-There are one million Muslims in London, half of them under 25. If 7% think suicide attacks on civilians are justified, that means there are 70,000 potential suicide bombers in the nations capital.
-Another poll found that over 60 percent of British Muslims want to live under sharia law in the UK.
-Nearly half of Britains mosques are under the control of a hardline cleric who loathes Western values and espouses bloody jihad.

The situation is clearly not looking very good for the UK. The situation is much the same in many European countries. And all around the Western world, demographics alone will mean that Muslim populations will continue to rise while non-Muslim populations will continue to decline.

Threat or opportunity?

So how should Christians look upon these trends? There are two responses, both of which seem valid. This is all certainly a threat in the sense that Islam is as much a political regime as a religion. The proper understanding of separation of church and state is quite absent in Islam. It is a true theocratic system.

Since it allows no freedom of religion or freedom of conscience, it is incompatible with modern free Western democracies. Its aim is to see sharia law spread throughout the globe, with everyone submitting to Allah. Christians in Muslim-majority nations are forced to live in a state of dhimmitude, and that will be their lot when Muslims take power in the West.

Thus the expansion of totalistic Islam must be stopped, and Christians can in good faith join with non-believers and others in resisting this very real threat to freedom and democracy. We are nowhere told in the New Testament to simply allow ourselves to be rolled over by imperialistic religious faiths.

But this is also a wonderful opportunity. Christians find it near impossible to freely share their faith with Muslims in Muslim-majority countries. In most such countries it is illegal, and for Muslims to convert to Christianity means they face the death penalty for apostasy.

Thus it may well be the grace of God that so many Muslims are now in the West. If we simply allow them to extend Islam and sharia law, it is of no advantage. But if we use this opportunity to befriend our Muslim neighbours and share with them the good news of Jesus Christ, then this will be a most welcome development.

The problem is, few Christians are sharing their faith with Muslims here in the West. Too often instead they are either engaging in wishy-washy interfaith dialogue, which is usually all one-way traffic (in favour of the Muslims), or they are simply capitulating to the surrounding secular culture.

Thus while mosques are being built all over the West, churches are closing down. This is especially true in Europe and the UK. For example, many mosques in London today were once Christian churches. In fact, the church which long ago sent out William Carey as a missionary to India is now a mosque as well.

So it is high time that Western Christians took advantage of this opportunity before it is too late. We need to use this situation to win Muslims to Christ. If we dont, the reverse will occur, and Christians will either willingly or unwillingly come under the rule of Islam.

Now is not the time to live in fear. While we must rightly resist creeping sharia, and seek to defend Western goods such as freedom and democracy, we also must capitalise on this development and use it for Christ and his Kingdom. Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against his church. Neither will the rise of Islamic hegemony.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324194/Mohammed-popular-baby-boys-ahead-Jack-Harry.html

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WAFFer
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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 29 2010, 6:55 AM 

So much for " 6 million muslims convert to christianity a year" haha. This is excellent news happy.gif
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Anonymous
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Middle Kingdom (China)

Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 29 2010, 7:55 AM 

>>So much for " 6 million muslims convert to christianity a year" haha. This is excellent news

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dude just google it, Each Year 6 millions ppl in Africa alone leave islam for christianity and other religions!

over 200,000 ppl in uk have already left islam.

of course, u have high birthrate of muslims living in uk and france, +4 children/woman compared
to about 1.5/woman of whities.

internet is and will be the Downfall of islam, as ppl read more islamic documents about
who muhammad really was,, and ppl begin to learn how to think critically, they come to the
conclusion that islam is a false religion.


here is one for u:
islam says muhamamad is the next prophet after jesus, meaning islam's god is the same as
the god of christianity... so my question is: why islam says jesus never died at the cross???
if islam claims it has the same god, then why islam contradicts and denies the mission of
jesus??

muslims will say: the bible is corrupted...haha..
that statement in itself shows how muslims cant think logically and critically,

instead they should the conclusion that islam and quran are False.






    
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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 29 2010, 8:17 AM 

How nice,too bad I didnt read my fellow Asian friend.
Chinas Muslims will rise also and fully enjoy the luxory China has to offer. My family member cousin and aunt went to mecca,hajj with Chinese also.



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Anonymous
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Middle Kingdom (China)

Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 29 2010, 8:38 AM 

>>How nice,too bad I didnt read my fellow Asian friend.
Chinas Muslims will rise also and fully enjoy the luxory China has to offer. My family member cousin and aunt went to mecca,hajj with Chinese also.

//

dude im fully for freedom of religion, so it sounds good if china gives more freedom
to muslims in china -- compared to malaysia?! loool, lina joy cant change her religion in the id card,
she was forced to say she was still islam even though she had left islam..looo.
what?! the malaysis constitution says every malaysian is born a muslim? loool...thats logic for u,
thats malaysian logic for u, errr thats muslim logic for u.

they say: like father like son.. this is indeed true..
internet opens up.. here is what u can learn who muhammad really was -- all based on authentic
islamic documents!!!
http://prophetofdoom.net



the thing is muslims dont know the history of muhammad or islam...when pope made a a sppeech at
a german university quoting a 12th century king who said: islam was spread by the sword..muslims
in south asia came out to demonstrate... had they read the history,, ALL muslims in india, and
pakistan, bangladesh, afghanistan..are the results of the SWORD.. the islamic brutality..
all are the resulst of Forced conversion of their grt-grt....great grand parents:

http://historyofjihad.com/india.html



 
 

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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 29 2010, 9:14 AM 

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WAFFer
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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 29 2010, 9:32 AM 

I sense jealousy from infidels. D3lta you seem not to understand that I basically do not give a crap. Give a crap about you or your posts. I didnt want to give you an impression that I cared.

 
 
Anonymous
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Middle Kingdom (China)

Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 29 2010, 9:57 AM 

>>I sense jealousy from infidels. D3lta you seem not to understand that I basically do not give a crap. Give a crap about you or your posts. I didnt want to give you an impression that I cared.

//

loool. no i dont need to understand ur personal feedback,etc.
im interested in logic and pointing out flaws, after all this is a forum
which is basically a place to exchange ideas and debates.

whatz da matter, u didnt like me mentioning about lina joy,
or other silly logic in malaysia that i often read at asianews.it ??

the question is why is that, that kind of logic?
if u look all over the places, those where there are muslim majority, they cant think
straight, due to being brainwashed since they were a child.. but try to think logically
and critically, islam is a flawed and false religion.

rev. pat robertson says he talks to god often about economics etc loool which in fact
he just reads news from various sources and makes his own conclusion.. but his followers
believe him.. and this is the 21st century?


now..can u pls answer to this simple question:
muhammad claimed he talked to angel gabriel for over 20 yrs,, YET nobody ever
witnessed any of his meetings with gabriel?!
why is that?? think think..this is the 7th century! and when in the 21st century
ppl can be easily-led, 7th century most ppl were un-educated..

if muhammad claimed to be better than jesus...when jesus had an Open System.. all
he did was in the open...yet muhammad never proofed anything just like pat robertson
claimed he talks to god often...

man o man...we are in the 21st century....and many ppl are still blind and cant see
and think logically.. but there is Hope, whose who could see it are leavin islam in droves.. happy.gif


 
 
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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 29 2010, 12:00 PM 

Mr illederate. I am not reading what you type. Its like hinduism gone wrong. haha

 
 
Anonymous
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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 29 2010, 7:08 PM 


 
 
Anonymous
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Middle Kingdom (China)

Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 30 2010, 7:33 AM 

/i saw a video segment on cnn where an expert on language said that 'allah' is arabic for god,
it has nothing to do with islam, christianity or anything...

here is the funny part: muslims in malaysia say that allah is not the same as the god of christianity!
well this is agree completely,, but tell me, how are they gonna explain that islam also believe in
jesus, moses, abraham which they say came from the same god.... loooool... thats islamm logic for u.

as i said: islam is false, no 2-way about it .
oh yeah baby.




www.speroforum.com/a/40908/Malaysia-demands-Christians-refer-to-God-as-Yahweh-not-Allah
Saturday, October 02, 2010
By Spero News See all articles by this author

Malaysia demands Christians refer to God as Yahweh, not Allah

Several representatives from the Malaysian government, such as Minister Idris Jala, a Christian, are visiting the Christian communities in Malaysia, trying to convince Christian citizens to abandon the term "Allah" and use "Yahweh" in the texts in the liturgy and in publications.
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The intent is part of the ongoing dispute between the Christian and Muslim communities, which began in recent months with a lawsuit involving the Catholic newspaper The Herald. With the sentence of December 31, 2009, the High Court of Justice upheld the right of "The Herald" to use the word "Allah" to refer to God. The term "Allah" is, in fact, the only existing word in the Bahasha Malaysia language used to refer to God.

The Christian community does not currently seem willing to accept the proposal of using the Hebrew word "Yahweh." Reverend Thomas Philips, a Christian leader of the Malaysian Consultative Council of Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism, and Taoism, an organization involved in interreligious dialogue.

"The faithful will continue to use the word Allah," said Philips. "It is a sacred right that affects the freedom of expression. Every person who speaks a language has the right to use all the words of that language, without charges or limitations. The issue will be discussed in the Interreligious Committee formed by the government. We are working with the spirit of understanding to find just solutions to matters affecting the religious sphere. This also applies to the controversy over the use of the word Allah. We are confident that a common solution can be reached for the good of the nation and people of all faiths."


 
 

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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 30 2010, 7:39 AM 

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Anonymous
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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 30 2010, 7:46 AM 

/anyone ever wondered why there is a lot of black flags in islam, even the square building
in mecca is black, or why there is a sword in the flag of s.a. flag???
teh following explains it;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qgbWMEedJM



 
 

A-Saif
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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 30 2010, 9:31 AM 


Lot of Muslim in London is dating with british woman and they converting lot.

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Anonymous
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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

October 31 2010, 7:25 AM 

just becoz an org or philosophy, belief etc is followed by millions of ppl or even has new recruits,
does not mean that thing is correct,, as a matter of fact it could be totally false.

. hitler's org was huge and had millions of followers -- it was basically a cult and mind-manipulation
. mao did a few crzzy things in china
. stalin was mad, but had millions of followers.
.etcetc

what do these ppl or org's have in common???
their traits:

.cultish
.mind-manipulation
.ppl are easily-led


so my question again: there was Never any witness to muhammad's meetings with
so-called angel gabriel which he said he talked to for over 20 yrs, but why did
ppl believe it?





answer/hint: see above




 
 

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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

November 1 2010, 11:55 PM 


Delta you are being very annoying and dumb please shut up your mouth. Probaly you are being typical Mormon misionary riding bike to every house trying to make every one to convert to dumb Mormon which is being invent by loser in Utah.

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Anonymous
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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

November 2 2010, 10:09 AM 

>>Delta you are being very annoying and dumb please shut up your mouth. Probaly you are being typical Mormon misionary riding bike to every house trying to make every one to convert to dumb Mormon which is being invent by loser in Utah.

//

loool. i dont really care if muslims convert to atheism, buddhism, xniaty, etcetc.

read all my posts, all related to logic!

i have yet to receive an answer from any muslim about this question:
"muhammad, rev. moon (unification church), joseph smith(mormon) claimed they met
god or god's representatives... so tell me whatz the diff btw these 3 ppl?!



and if u like more challaenging questions loool, here is another one:
"islam says it believes in jesus and the bible, and that the god of islam is the same
as the god of christianity/judaism - becoz islam says it also believes in moses, abraham..
here it comes: so tell me, why islam says jesus did not die at the cross?!

if they have the same god, then why islam's god contradicts with christianity's god's missions?

hint: islam is false! wink.gif


hint#2: islam's god (allah) is NOT the same as the god of christianity.
they are the opposite of each other!
thats why islam's teaching is the opposite of xniaty. jesus says love and forgivness,
islam says revenge revenge!


 
 

Eddy85
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Re: More Western Decline: London the New Mecca

November 2 2010, 3:24 PM 

Instead of creating fear against muslims why dont they try to educate these mostly ignorant people?
In germany has realized this is the only way to solve this problem.

Remember that lack of knowledge and ignorance is the biggest enemy of mankind and leads to such extreme world-views!

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