UFO encounters became especially frequent in the middle of the 20th century, when it became impossible to disregard incidents of UFO sightings anymore. Special services started establishing special departments for air defense troops, secret laboratories were organized to study the phenomenon. It is not ruled out, that secret services have already had chances to study fragments of alien spaceships or even aliens themselves.
It is about time science should say its word regarding the problem, and it did. SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence), an independent non-commercial organization, released a sensational statement.
Three giant spaceships are heading towards Earth. The largest one of them is 240 kilometers wide. Two others are smaller. At present, the objects are beyond the orbit of Pluto.
The spaceships were detected by HAARP search system. The system, based in Alaska, was designed to study the phenomenon of northern lights. According to SETI researchers, the objects are nothing but extraterrestrial spaceships. They will be visible in optical telescopes as soon as they reach Mars's orbit. The US government has been reportedly informed about the event. The ships will reach Earth in December 2012.
The date of the supposed space contact with extraterrestrial civilization brings up thoughts about the Mayan calendar, which ends on December 21, 2012. Is it just a coincidence? Most likely, though, SETI researchers mistake the wish for the reality: fifty years of constant monitoring of space have not yielded any results.
Nevertheless, mankind only begins to explore space. We are just newcomers in this huge and unexplored world. Many believe that there are many other civilizations in space beside our own civilization.
Rumor has it that the Americans classified a lot of information about findings on the Moon. In 1988, a prominent Chinese official, a member of the nation's space program, unveiled pictures of human footprints on the lunar surface. The official stated that he had received the information from a reliable source and accused the Americans of concealing that information. The photos were dated from August 3, 1969 - two weeks after Armstrong and Aldrin stepped onto the surface of the Moon on July 20, 1969. Therefore, the materials of the lunar mission were studied and classified by NASA.
On March 15, 2009, The New York Times produced another sensation. The same Chinese official, Mao Kan, stated that he had obtained over than 1,000 secret NASA photographs depicting not only human footprints, but even a human carcass on the surface of the Moon. Some of the bones in the carcass were missing, the official said. The human corpse must have been dropped on the Moon from an alien spaceship, whereas the extraterrestrials kept some tissue samples for research.
The photos were taken by a lunar probe. The absence of air makes it possible to capture minute details from the lunar orbit. The pictures of the carcass were very clear.
Dr. Ken Johnston, former Manager of the Data and Photo Control Department at NASA's Lunar Receiving Laboratory, said that US astronauts had found and photographed ancient ruins of artificial origin on the Moon. Supposedly, US astronauts had seen large unknown mechanisms on the Moon. The data were classified by the US government.
Is all of that just spam or is it fantastic truth? Will we ever know?
i have been thinking about it and i made some statements in the general discussion forum along time ago concerning this issue my remarks were the following:
a) any potential form of allien life capable to communicate with us will most likely be a hostile form of life, those allien communities will be probably organized in a military like system where they will use their technology for expansionism against weaker species like humans in our case
b) in order to materialize huge interstellar journeys you need huge aircrafts which will be able to be used as huge flying bases thats why i dont really believe the appearance of flying saucers except if we accept the fact that life exists in our own galaxy and they have discovered ways uknown to us to move into space very very fast
however it does not seem so rational to me that such a thing may happen, but what can be the case is that those small unidentified objects can be in reality reconnaisance crafts which will transmit their intel to the mother ships which should be huge in size in order to be able to carry supplies and troops.
the fact that they talked about huge spaceships is really worrisome because it confirms my suspicions that dangerous beings had the opportunity to detect our presence with their reconnaisance units and now the mother space ships are approaching us in order to give the fatal blow, their intentions cannot be anything else than hostile in this case and allas to us if our techonology will not be proved sufficient enough to protect us.
Anyway the above are just assumptions the truth remains to be seen .
The question of the size of the spaceships is not one to be taken lightly, as we all know our universe is full of dangers black holes, strong magnetic fields, asteroids , comets are only some of them
in order to be able to sustain life during the long and dangerous journeys, to carry effective weapons which will be able to protect them from any danger and resist those damaging forces those spaceships ought to be huge in size , spaceships with vast powers of mobility carrying supplies, equipment and troops including reconnaisance flying saucers is the only rational way to make prolongued journeys inside the universe, unless other techonologies have been developed which we dont know yet which allow smaller spaceships to be able to carry out such journeys on their own
in any case that Reminds me of a book of Jules Verne that i used to read when i was a kid, it said something true it goes as follows " we will conquer the skies with aircrafts heavier than the air" it was the era of balloon versus aircraft as you fully understand
a very big truth, as long as humans struggled to fly with balloons they had accidents and lack of control, as long as they mastered engeeniring and they were able to construct machines heavier than the air , improved engines aerodynamics etc they were able to really conquer the skies the same applies to the universe at a large scale
in my opinion in order to conquer the universe you need to construct spaceships huge in size with vast capabilities.
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This message has been edited by ontyseas on Jan 3, 2011 3:44 AM
well we will try to answer this question approximately because the data is not accurate deviations should be taken into consideration
According to data Pluto's average distance from earth is around 28,7 AU (astronomical units) an astronomical unit is defined as the distance between the center of the Earth and center of the Sun.
However Plutos orbit is highly eliptical which means that it is difficult to directly calcute the distance between Earth and Pluto in linear way. There is an inclination of 17° to the epileptic and varies to 4,4 to 7,4 billion kilometers from the Sun therefore it is seldom in direct line with Earth and Sun
(One AU equals 92,955,807 million miles, or about 93 million miles), when Pluto is in the closest point to earth's orbit the closest approach between them is around 29AU or 4,3 billion km
taking the 4,3 billion km as the distance between pluto and Earth which is by no means accurate for the reasons explained above and taking as a fact that the spaceships will reach earth in approximately 2 years or 730 days the spaceships will have to travel at a distance of 5.890.410 km and something ( i dont need to add all the digits for reasons of economy) per day or around 6 million km per day or 250.000 km per hour
provided that the scientists correctly calculated the given distance which can change according to the orbit of Pluto and that the speed will remain steady for all the duration of the journey, so the above calculations will only be approximate since deviations are not a priori incuded.
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This message has been edited by ontyseas on Jan 4, 2011 3:28 AM
Not that I believe any of this crap, but what about the idea that the moon (which if I'm recalling correctly from stuff I've seen posted around here was the subject of a book called "Who manufactured the moon?") may be where the aliens have had a presence all along?
If the moon is essentially and largely hollow construction, with specs that seem to make it essentially look like it was tailor made to make life on the Earth stable, what about the possibility that these alien suckers constructed it for us a long time ago and are now coming back to collect the bill for the service?
of course we shouldnt believe anything that is being presented to us as real news but the fact is that we know very little about our universe, we didnt explore yet our galaxy even our solar system still has secrets from us, our planet too.
our approach should be that we neither believe nor reject anything we are open to new ideas and we accept them as real only when they are supported with necessary evidence
recently they discovered at the bottom of an American lake a micro organism which can survive and feed inside the toxic poison arsenic, this has changed everything concerning our notions about the mechanisms of life and proves that whatever we have been told by biology and other sciences is not reliable because if there are forms of life which can survive inside poisonous elements which would kill any common form of life then imagine what may happen in other planets and what kind of life can be developed over there under conditions and circumstances which would seem to be impossible for us a few years ago due to our limited knowledge.
we cannot expect science to explain everything due to our limited knowledge but on the other hand we cannot accept what science says as an indisputable truth because science constantly evolves and there are evidence which are forcing scientitsts to denounce their previous theories in favor of new ones, an open minded person should always be open to new posibilities and theories.
In this particular article some American scientists claimed that they saw extratterrestrial space ships approaching earth we dont know if it is true or not but we should be open to the possibility that it is true, to say that suddenly those scientists went mad and they say bullshvit is by no means correct on the other hand there is always the possibility that they made a mistake but we will be able to know that in 2012 or even earlier when the supposed allien spaceships will be visible by our telescopes
If however they are correct then we better start the construction of our family graves.
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Some other things which need to be pointed are the following:
a) it is true that we are talking about huge distances at the universe to reach another solar system or galaxy a spaceship would need to travel some years with the speed of light , however as i pointed out above a speed of 250.000 km per hour is a feasible speed it is greater than whatever humans have achieved so far and it is far less than the speed of light which is 300.000 km per second so even if we take Einstein's theory which claims that objects cannot possibly exceed the speed of light if the above spaceships are moving at the aforementioned speeds it something which can be accepted or achieved.
b) a civilization which has mastered engineering more than we do and they have been technologically evolved much more than we do would be theoretically possible to construct huge spaceships which would be possible to travel for many many many decades without the need of supplies flying bases which would have the size of small countries in that case such a journey would be possible
c)such civilization would have mastered mapping and navigation , they would have developed their own navigation systems which would be much more advanced than our own primitive GPS which are based on the satellites around the earth in order to point out our exact position on a given time on the surface of our planet
d)their travelling experiences would have led them to develop sophisticated systems which would make our own systems to be primitive in comparison, we are possibly talking about shields and weapons which would use powerful beams.
e) something else which i find rather interesting although difficult to be comprehended by many people is that time is a human invention , there is not such a thing as time in the universe the way we perceive time has to do with our location and our given speed which is something relevant, during a long journey which can last for many many years time will be perceived in a different way that we normally use to perceive it
it is rather complicated because time is an artificial concept as it is the concept of space or speed , let me give you an example we say that this object moves at a speed of 25,000 km per hour, what hour ?
the hour of a day, what day? the day of a year and what year ? the time which takes for earth to complete a full turn around the orbit of sun and a day is the time which takes for earth to complete a turn around its own self., what about out there which there is not earth and Sun how would you measure time outhere?
what km? the km measures distance, in a larger scale AUS are being used to measure distance but what distance we all know that Universe is endless and how else it could be? there is nothing which would stop us travelling and travelling for an eternity there are no brick walls to point out the limit of our universe and even if they were limits what would be beyond those limits?
in any case the above are just assumptions but rational assumptions if we accept the prospect of a an allien civilization which might be able to travel along galaxies.
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one thing is for sure positive sciences have been feeding us with bullcrap, they invented numbers trying to measure something which cannot be possibly measured the infinite, and they used those numbers in their calculations, formulas and equations in order to make tangible something which is defacto intagible, for our limited powers of conception and our limited surroundings those things might seem like wonders what humanity would be without positive sciences anyway?
but at a larger scale when we see the clear extend of our misconception and the limited power of our knowledge which is being subjected to the limitations of our surroundings then we understand the extend of our stupidity to consider some things as given
catholic church is a good example of this stupidity, there were times that people believed that earth is the center of the Universe and it later on it has been proved that it is not even the center of our Galaxy, they believed that earth was not round and whoever dared to tell the opposite he was condemned in public for daring to opposing religion as an heretic and he was burned so everybody could see the fate of sinner
since then a little or nothing has been changed in our way of thinking we still perceive our ignorance as a given knowledge and we still believe in our uniqueness and importance no matter if it has been proved that we are absolutely nothing comparing to the vastness of the universe
if you even dare to say that we are not alone in the universe they would laugh at your face implying that you are fool or mad, this is the result of so many centuries of religious oppression and darkness in our spiritual development we can feel the consequences even in our days
it is not by chance that we think and they try to cultivate us the opinion at any given opportunity that we are alone in the universe this idea serves many purposes one of the most obvious is to be sure of our own importance and knowledge and therefore to forcus on our microworld instead of the macroworld which awaits for us still unexplored
the best way for the powerful to manipulate the ignorant masses is to tell them that they are important and there is nothing else out there except from themselves
OK, so I just stumbled onto this History Channel link, which was attached to some youtube link to some English astrologer on another thread.
It talks about how December 21, 2012 but there's no mention of aliens - instead there's discussion of some solar cycle and pole shift etc.
So how about this, what if these 3 spaceships loaded with little grey guys (back in the day we'd say "little green guys" but whatever) are actually on their way to try to help us in anticipation of our getting clobbered by the some natural cosmic event?
I mean, if they wanted to clobber us themselves, couldn't they have done that some time ago?
Independence Day reloaded ... and still I dont think there is any Alien race that can withstand human immigration, in the end humanity will stand as the big black plague of the galaxy mating like rabbits and stealing the tech of any stupid Alien approaching this dirtly hole of destruction and disease ...