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Islam: the Religion of Incest

April 10 2011 at 4:48 PM

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Incest in Islam

By Abul Kasem

December 1, 2010

(Caution: This essay may offend some readers)



The Oxford Dictionary defines incest as sexual intercourse of near relations.

Elaborating on this Encyclopaedia Britannica (CD ROM version) writes:

Generally speaking, the closer the genetic relationship between two people, the stronger and more highly charged is the taboo prohibiting or discouraging sexual relations between them. Thus, sexual intercourse between a father and daughter, a mother and son, or a brother and sister is almost universally forbidden. Sexual relations between an uncle and niece or between an aunt and nephew are also generally taboo, and relations between first cousins are prohibited as well in some societies.

On the harmful effect of incestuous relation Encyclopaedia Britannica also writes:

Highly inbred populations have diminished reproductive success and become gene pools for hereditary disorders.

Incest in the Quran: Marriage between father and his biological daughter

Muslims will find it hard to believe that Allah in the Quran has violated the universal condemnation of incest. Let us read verse 4:23 24 which lists the categories of women that a Muslim man may not marry.

004.023 (Yusuf Ali)
YUSUFALI: Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; fathers sisters, Mothers sisters; brothers daughters, sisters daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful;-
YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

One might think that verse 4:23 specifically prohibits a man from marrying (that is, to have sex) with his biological daughter. However, this may not be so. Hashim Kamali, one of the most eminent scholars of Islamic Jurisprudence and currently the Professor of Islamic Law and Jurisprudence at International Islamic University Malaysia writes:

An example of the zanni in the Quran is the text which reads, prohibited to you are your mothers and your daughters (al Nisa 4:23). The text is definitive in regard to the prohibition of marriage with ones mother and daughter and there is no disagreement on this point. However, the word banatakum (your daughters) could be taken for its literal meaning, which would be a female child born to a person either through marriage or through zina, or for its juridical meaning. In the latter sense banatukum can only mean a legitimate daughter.

The jurists are in disagreement as to which of these meanings should be read into text. The Hanafis have upheld the first of the two meanings and have ruled on the prohibition of marriage to ones illegitimate daughter, whereas the Shafis have upheld the second. According to this interpretation, marriage with ones illegitimate daughter is not forbidden as the text only refers to a daughter through marriage. It would follow from this that the illegitimate daughter has no right to inheritance, and the rules of guardianship and custody would not apply to her. (Hashim Kamali, pp. 21 23)

Note: The Quran scholars divide the Quranic verses into two classes: qatidefinitive, no speculation and zannispeculative. Even the eminent Sharia expert Professor Hashim Kamali admits that the Quran is ambiguous. (Hashim Kamali, p. 33.)

This will be a bombshell to the Muslims. Hashim Kamali testifies that at least one sect of Islam (that is, Shafi) allows a Muslim man to marry his biological daughter and have sex with her if the daughter has been born illegitimate.

We may wonder how a Muslim man could have an illegitimate daughter since in Islam all sex out of marriage, except sex with ones sex-slaves, is forbidden. Let us ponder on the following situations:

A Muslim unmarried man has sex with a Muslim unmarried woman.
The woman gives birth to a daughter. Because of their Zina, both of them receive one hundred lashes. The punishment over, they departgoing their own way, or they decide to marry, but the daughter remains illegitimate. When the daughter turns eight or ten the biological father marries his daughter.

This incestuous marriage is allowed by the Shafi rule, according to professor Kamali. If they are Hanafi or other sect the father may not marry the illegitimate daughter.

A Muslim unmarried man (of Shafii sect) has sex with a Kafir woman. She gives birth to a daughter. The father receives the Islamic lashing. The woman may go scot free depending on which Islamic country she resides, because in some Islamic countries non Muslims are exempt from Sharia laws. The illegitimate daughter lives with her mother. When the illegitimate daughter turns eight or more she becomes halal for her biological father. He marries his biological daughter.

A Muslim unmarried man commits adultery with a married Muslim woman. She becomes pregnant. As per Sharia law the man receives one hundred lashes and the woman is sentenced to be stoned to death. However, her stoning is postponed until she gives birth to her child and weans the baby of breastfeeding. This condemned woman gives birth to a daughter. At age two the baby girl is taken away from her mother. Then the mother is stoned to death. The hapless child may be sheltered in a foster home or even live with her biological father. When the daughter turns eight her biological father marries her.

Let us ponder on what might happen if a Hanafi unmarried man has illicit sex with a Shafi married woman

Presumably, Malaysia follows Shafi, Bangladesh follows Hanafi.

Malaysian married Muslim woman + Bangladesh unmarried man = Zina and adultery.
Malaysias religious police catch them in action. Both of them receive Islamic punishment as per Shafi law. The woman may not receive stoningas it is not enforced in Malaysia.
The woman gives birth to a girlthis is the illegitimate daughter to the man. Let us call her daughter A.
What about the woman? Will the daughter be illegitimate to the mother? As per Islamic rule, yes. Later, the womans husband divorces her. She moves on, along with her illegitimate daughter.
The sex offender man marries the woman. May be, the wife gives birth to another daughterthis time legitimate. Call this daughter B.
Now, as per Islamic Law can we say A and B are sisters? Nope.
The entire family lives under one roof. When A, the illegitimate daughter, turns 8 or more, the biological father marries her.
He now has two wiveshis sex partner wife + his own illegitimate daughter. That is, the man is simultaneously married to the mother and the daughter.
So, Islamically, he may have sex with his biological daughter and her motherperfectly legal as per Shafi rule.

I am not sure if this incidence happened, say in Bangladesh or India or Pakistan, what would happen as these countries follow Hanafi Muslim laws.

We must remember when a Muslim lives in Malaysia whether he is a Malaysian citizen or not he must abide by the Islamic Sharia of Malaysia which is largely Shafi.


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Re: Islam: the Religion of Incest

April 10 2011, 5:43 PM 

And this is the result.


Titianal mut be one of them rat people




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Re: Islam: the Religion of Incest

April 11 2011, 8:18 AM 

Sick Parthicanrat why you making fun of Handicap people that is being very low like typical persian. Good thing you not here or I will teach you lesson ugly skinny refugee.

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Re: Islam: the Religion of Incest

April 11 2011, 10:58 AM 


Typical titanus crying like a dumby metrosxual





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Re: Islam: the Religion of Incest

April 11 2011, 11:12 AM 

Incest has nothing whatsoever to do with religion, Islam or any other. This sort of posting is simply silly.

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It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny.

Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation."

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Re: Islam: the Religion of Incest

April 11 2011, 2:37 PM 

persian refugee the majoosi,

nowhere in single arguments it showed where "incest" allowed?

total bogus! "incest" performings by persians refugees givings rise to gayiety and majoosi tendenciesd why they go los angles and create gey radio stationeds

all islamics law against incests, and even these jew-bankrolleds writer of kafirs country also creatings these hypotheticals scenarios since jewish incest are sayings to be good for judaism?

actually in fact only way majoosis retains their cultures through is their incest for they are losing numbers very fast worldwides!


Incest: Good for the Jews

By Joey Kurtzman / January 1, 2007

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Genetically, Ashkenazi Jews are freaks. For most of Jewish history in Europe, cherem-wielding rabbis and an unwelcoming Gentile world made inbreeding a far more appealing option than intermarriage. As a result, Ashkenazim became what scientists call an endogamous group, which is another way of saying that they have been sleeping with their cousins for a thousand years. And because endogamous groups often develop distinctive genetic profiles, nothing gets a population geneticist hotter than incest. Ashkenazim arent the only group that has kept outsiders out of the gene pool. Most other such groups, however, are isolated, rural populations, like the Amish or the inhabitants of Australias Norfolk Island. Ashkenazim are the best-studied group of cousin-kissers on the planet because theyre convenient. A scientist doesnt need to trek out to the boonies to do her research when shes got a million Ashkenazi Jews outside her door in the same city where she lives and works.

So endogamy and cosmopolitanism go a long way towards explaining why Jewish DNA has been the source of a gobsmacking number of important genetic findings. Unfortunately, the news coverage of those findings has focused primarily on the negative: genes that predispose us to Tay-Sachs disease, breast cancer, intestinal diseaseand the list goes on.

But not all the startling stories hiding in Ashkenazi DNA are bad. Freakishness has its benefits. Some of our genetic eccentricities are more Übermensch than sissy-pants, more Schwarzenegger than DeVito.

Heres a brief tour through four of the happier genetic quirks discovered about the Ashkenazi wing of our tribe in recent years.


Yes, you still need to use condoms. But a significant proportion of Ashkenazi Jews have a mutation in a gene called CCR5, and the most common strain of HIV uses the protein produced by CCR5 to climb inside peoples cells. The mutation prevents HIV from exploiting that protein to gain access. If you get two copies of the mutant gene, then most strains of HIV will have little to no chance of getting into your cells. If you get one copy, youre still less likely to contract HIV, and, if you do, your prognosis is better.

The number of Ashkenazi Jews who have the mutation varies among different Jewish subgroups. According to a study conducted at the Center of Neurogenetics in Paris, a whopping 45 percent of Litvaks (Jews from Lithuania) have at least one copy of the mutation. Ethiopian Jews, on the other hand, dont have it at all.

Population geneticists arent sure why Jews have the mutation in such high numbers. Some of the microbes responsible for Europes plagues may have used the same protein, and, as one theory goes, the plagues hit Jews harder than most other European populations, leaving us with a genetic advantage today. Wearing the same heavy clothes every day and never bathing may have had its benefits.


Shicker iz a goy, shicker iz a goy, shicker iz er, trinken muz er, vahl er iz a goy! That racist old Yiddish ditty translates: The goy is a drunk! The goy is a drunk! He has to drink, because hes a goy! Classy stuff.

Jews made a mint in Europe by distilling alcohol and selling it to Gentiles, and then we sang songs about what drunks they were. But it turns out Gentiles really are more likely than Jews to become drunks, and its not because young Jews learn how to drink responsibly by quaffing Manischewitz at the Seder table, or any of the other old, folk explanations.

Twenty percent of Ashkenazi Jews have a genetic mutation on chromosome nine that causes an unpleasant reaction to alcoholheadaches, nausea, flushingwhich in turn makes heavy drinking and alcoholism less likely. This mutation is almost nonexistent among non-Jewish Europeans, but common among Asians.

Its a model minority thing, apparently.


Its not cause youre not a slut, thats for sure. The low incidence of cervical cancer among Jewish women has been a longstanding mystery to scientists. People used to think that a circumcised penis was like a magic wand, protecting Jewish women from a nasty cancer that was far more common among non-Jews. That partly explains why American Gentiles started doing like the poor biblical boys of Shekhem and slicing off their foreskins. Once all these Gentiles started circumcising their kids, the bad news came in: Low rates of cervical cancer have nothing to do with circumcision.

The low incidence of human papilloma virus (HPV) among Jewish women may partly explain their low rates of cervical cancer. And scientists have recently discovered that a genetic mutation called p53-D12 predisposes some women to cervical cancer; that mutation is rare among Jewish women.


The world is riddledriddled!with dumb Ashkenazi Jews, as Leon Wieseltier reminds us. Too true, Leon. But with the tribes lineup including Freud, Einstein, and Speed Levitch, and Ashkenazim possessing an exceedingly high mean IQ, Jews have more than their share of smarties. Theyve also got more than their share of neurological disorders such as Tay-Sachs and Gauchers disease. According to a recent study at the University of Utah, theres a connection: The same genes that cause diseases such as Tay-Sachs and Gauchers can also help make you a little Einstein.

The genes in question promote the growth of brain cells. Basically, if you get two of those genes, your brain cells will be afflicted by the kind of extreme and disordered cell growth associated with Tay-Sachs. Get only one of those genes and the cell growth within your brain is enhanced, meaning your grandma will never shut up about you at the mah-jongg table. Or so the Utah researchers argue.

The theory attempts to answer the question of what causes higher rates of intelligence among Jews. And as the theorys premise is clear and testable, well know for certain in a few years whether its the right answer. As to the question of why the gene is there in the first place, its all conjecture from here on in.

Some think its because our smartest guys became big Talmud chachams and got the girls, while the smartest non-Jewish Europeans became priests and spilled their seed into bed sheets. Or, others postulate, maybe its because Jews had to pursue talky, cognitively taxing professions because they werent allowed to own land or join guilds. Whatever the explanation may be, Jews got the smahts, baby.

I am old Christiankiller
Sorry for offensive to our good religion christian brothers
I am not hating christians


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Re: Islam: the Religion of Incest

April 11 2011, 6:07 PM 

Typical Persian prostitute.
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