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Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 15 2011 at 2:12 PM
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Former minister says group was prepared to see bin Laden put on trial prior to 9/11, but US was not interested.

The Taliban government in Afghanistan offered to present Osama bin Laden for a trial long before the attacks of September 11, 2001, but the US government showed no interest, according to a senior aide to the Taliban leader, Mullah Omar.

Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, Talibans last foreign minister, told Al Jazeera in an exclusive interview that his government had made several proposals to the United States to present the al-Qaeda leader, considered the mastermind of the 2001 attacks, for trial for his involvement in plots targeting US facilities during the 1990s.

"Even before the [9/11] attacks, our Islamic Emirate had tried through various proposals to resolve the Osama issue. One such proposal was to set up a three-nation court, or something under the supervision of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference [OIC]," Muttawakil said.

"But the US showed no interest in it. They kept demanding we hand him over, but we had no relations with the US, no agreement of any sort. They did not recognise our government."

The US did not recognise the Taliban government and had no direct diplomatic relations with the group which controlled most of Afghanistan between 1996 and 2001.

But proposals by the Taliban were relayed to the US through indirect channels such as the US embassy in Pakistan or the informal Taliban office for the UN in New York, Muttawakil said.

Robert Grenier, the CIA station chief in Pakistan at the time of 9/11, confirmed that such proposals had been made to US officials.

Grenier said the US considered the offers to bring in Bin Laden to trial a "ploy".

"Another idea was that [bin Laden] would be brought to trial before a group of Ulema [religious scholars] in Afghanistan.

"No one in the US government took these [offers] seriously because they did not trust the Taliban and their ability to conduct a proper trial."

Subsequent to the 1998 US embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, as US pressure grew, the Taliban insisted on a procedure under the supervision of OIC because it considered it a "neutral international organisation".

The OIC is a Saudi Arabia-based organisation representing 56 Muslim nations. Al Jazeera contacted the OIC, but nobody was available for comment.
Muttawakil now lives in Kabul [GALLO/GETTY]


Afghanistan's seat at the United Nations at the time was occupied by the anti-Taliban resistance, led by Burhanuddin Rabbani, the country's ousted president, but its seat at the OIC had remained empty, Muttawakil said.

Grenier said a top US prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, visited Pakistan to present evidence implicating bin Laden in US embassy bombings.

"He met with the Pakistani interior minister and the idea was to convince the Paksitani government to help in turning over bin Laden," he said.

Grenier could not recall whether Fitzgerald met with Taliban officials in Pakistan to discuss their proposals or not.

Muttawakil, who now lives in Kabul and advises an Islamic educational foundation, reportedly tried to negotiate a ceasefire in the days after the US launched operations in the country in 2001 by seeking to convince Mullah Omar, the Taliban leader, to part ways with bin Laden.

He was taken into US custody in the notorious Bagram prison early in 2002. After months of detention, he was released under house arrest in Kandahar and then moved to Kabul.

Bin Laden had first moved to Afghanistan during the war against the Soviet invasion in 1979 as part of large number of Arab fighters in the region. After the Soviet withdrawal, he moved to Sudan in 1992 as a factional war broke out in Afghanistan.

When Sudan came under increasing pressure from the US, bin Laden was flown back to Afghanistan in a chartered plane hired by Rabbani's government.

"They [al-Qaeda] were people from the time of Jihad, and Rabbanis government brought them back into the country. The Taliban simply inherited them," Muttawakil said.

Taliban and al-Qaeda links

A movement of predominantly students from religious schools, the Taliban emerged from the south of country in late 1996 as a beacon of hope to end the years of bloodshed and factional fighting.

Bringing a message of peace and security, they swept through the country, with only a small pocket of resistance in the north that endured throughout their rule.

But they suffered their share of pressure and sanctions from the international community for the extreme measures they imposed, including banning women from school and work, and for harbouring bin Laden.

When they conquered the eastern city of Jalalabad, where bin Laden was staying, Saudi Arabia, his home country that had revoked his citizenship, pressured them to restrict his movement.

"Saudi Arabia had problems with him - that he should not be giving press conferences and coming out to the media," Muttawakil said. "Their request was to keep Osama silent. So the Emirate decided to bring him to Kandahar, where our leader stayed, to keep him under our focus".

When the attacks of September 11 happened, Muttawakil was in the foreign ministry in Kabul. He immediately contacted Mullah Omar, who remained in Kandahar throughout his government.

"Afghanistan was one of the first few governments that condemned the attacks," Muttawakil said.

"Neither for the US, nor for Afghanistan - and the Afghan people - the attacks were not a good thing. Because subsequent to those attacks, many more people have died here in Afghanistan."

That attack was a disaster on civilians, and on the pretext of that attack, disasters have been afflicted on the people of Afghanistan and Iraq, he said.

Muttawakil said that there had always been differences of opinion between the Arab fighters of al-Qaeda and his Taliban colleagues. Such differences surfaced further after 9/11.

"There is no doubt that the stance of the Emirate and the views of some of the Arab activists differed. We condemned the attacks because the people targeted were defenseless civilians, women, children, Muslim and non-Muslim. But al-Qaeda praised it."

Days after 9/11, with the US military campaign looming, the Taliban government convened an advisory gathering of over 1,500 religious scholars at a Kabul hotel to discuss what to do with bin Laden.

The scholars concluded that the Taliban government should ask bin Laden to "leave the country voluntarily".

"The Americans said that even if he leaves, they will search any place in Afghanistan that they wanted with their military forces. They wanted him dead or alive."

"Their requests and demands were based on a logic of war. They were preparing for it - preparing their planes in the Gulf and working with Pakistan to open a route. Their decision to go to war was definite."

Bin Laden's whereabouts remained a mystery for most of the decade after the US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. He was eventually killed in a raid by US special forces in the Pakistani city of Abbottabad in May.



http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2011/09/20119115334167663.html

 
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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 15 2011, 3:02 PM 

Hmmmm. They seemed far less interested after 9-11. I wonder why that is?

Plus we all know the Taliban wouldn't lie and neither would the CIA, so I'm ready to accept this story strictly at face value.


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It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny.

Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation."

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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 16 2011, 4:08 AM 

The OIC is a Saudi Arabia-based organisation representing 56 Muslim nations.



falsed. all muslims one nationeds. even if its meant countrieds of stateds, then its 57 countrieds of muslims. theseds jews newsd agencieds shoulds stop their judaics propagandizings.



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Anwar
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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 18 2011, 12:04 AM 


Whatever the Taliban are they are religious.

See if a foreign nation says that a Muslim citizen has harmed them then there is process.

This process has to be taken to an Islamic court.

They told the US that they would take Osama to court.

The US said that the Taliban are only doing this because they do not want to get attacked.

If they were so scared they could of given Osama.

See this Islamic process has to be followed at all costs according to the religious people.

The Taliban were the ones who also got rid of the drugs but now they are back in business.

When the bombs started to drop the Taliban resisted until too many civilians started to die.

They at this point gave up some power.

In Iraq the forces kept on fighting and the bombing lasted longer.

This is why fewer people have died in Afghanistan than Iraq.

They will not stop until the US/Nato leaves.

Once they leave they can easily gain full power again as most of the people still support them.

This is old news as the Muslim people were talking about this when the war started.

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Long live the great Muslim people.
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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 19 2011, 1:53 PM 

"This process has to be taken to an Islamic court. "

Well his crime (accessory to an act of terrorism) was committed in USA, shouldn't he face US law?

Because otherwise what you are saying is that Muslims, regardless of the nation they live in, deserve a different set of laws than everyone else in that particular nation...which would be a crazy statement to make, don't you think? Also what interpretation of Sharia should be used, as I note the laws and punishments in Iran differ drastically from that of Indonesia?


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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 19 2011, 3:02 PM 

Iran is shia and does not follow orthodox or correct islamic teaching on many things BUT the fundamentals of the faith ie the 5 pillars of islam are the same hence there is NO EXCUSE for sectarianism

 
 

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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 19 2011, 6:47 PM 



"This process has to be taken to an Islamic court. "

Well his crime (accessory to an act of terrorism) was committed in USA, shouldn't he face US law?

Because otherwise what you are saying is that Muslims, regardless of the nation they live in, deserve a different set of laws than everyone else in that particular nation...which would be a crazy statement to make, don't you think? Also what interpretation of Sharia should be used, as I note the laws and punishments in Iran differ drastically from that of Indonesia?

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Muslim criminals under the Islamic state must face Islamic law.

The interpretation of Sharia by the Taliban.

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The Muslims believe that Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was not crucified on the cross. They believe that he was raised to the heavens by the Lord and the Lord put someone (the Lord made him look like Jesus) in Jesus spot. There will be a day when Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) will return to this world. He will return not as a prophet but as a follower of Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). Upon his arrival all the world's Christians will become Muslims. After some time the whole world will become Muslim for the Lord has said the whole world will taste Islam. I can't wait for that day. Indeed only someone so great can bring something so beautiful.

Long live the great Muslim people.
Long live the great Muslim nations.

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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 20 2011, 10:16 AM 

Muslim criminals under the Islamic state must face Islamic law.

As Coalde pointed out, the crime was committed in the United States, not an Islamic state, therefore, any trial should occur in the US. To suggest otherwise is specious.

The interpretation of Sharia by the Taliban.

Who apparently belief women should not be educated and that sodomizing young boys is moral. I'll take my chances in a US court, thank you.



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It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny.

Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation."

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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 20 2011, 3:37 PM 

^Bin laden didn't enter the us close to 9/11, why should he be tried their?, when you make an accusation you need to back it up.

You just made two claims, now if your a man of your words back it up, I too hate the taliban but it takes a weak man too spew out things that are completely false.

 
 
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September 20 2011, 3:53 PM 

Ah I just seen your response in the other thread, a pathetic argument you leeched of someone else, that was the last fact someone stated against the talibannis, and your simpleton brain which can't tell fact from falsehood jumped to use it at the first occasion.


    
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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 20 2011, 7:58 PM 



Muslim criminals under the Islamic state must face Islamic law.

As Coalde pointed out, the crime was committed in the United States, not an Islamic state, therefore, any trial should occur in the US. To suggest otherwise is specious.

The interpretation of Sharia by the Taliban.

Who apparently belief women should not be educated and that sodomizing young boys is moral. I'll take my chances in a US court, thank you.

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Committing acts of terror against another nation has consequences. This puts the Islamic state at risk of attack. This is why it is also a crime against the Islamic state. The Islamic state has jurisdiction over its citizens even if a crime was committed against another nation by its citizen.

The Taliban stone people to death who sodomize young boys.

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The Muslims believe that Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was not crucified on the cross. They believe that he was raised to the heavens by the Lord and the Lord put someone (the Lord made him look like Jesus) in Jesus spot. There will be a day when Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) will return to this world. He will return not as a prophet but as a follower of Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). Upon his arrival all the world's Christians will become Muslims. After some time the whole world will become Muslim for the Lord has said the whole world will taste Islam. I can't wait for that day. Indeed only someone so great can bring something so beautiful.

Long live the great Muslim people.
Long live the great Muslim nations.

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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 21 2011, 6:22 AM 

"Committing acts of terror against another nation has consequences. This puts the Islamic state at risk of attack. This is why it is also a crime against the Islamic state. The Islamic state has jurisdiction over its citizens even if a crime was committed against another nation by its citizen."

All states have jurisdiction over any person inside it's borders (citizen or not)...what you seem to be suggesting is that being Muslim should allow a person to ignore any law of another nation state and instead allow a perpetrator of crime to pick a set of laws (since there are literally hundreds of different interpretations of Sharia law) that would be most beneficial to him or her.

Of course I suspect that this little bonus doesn't extend to non-Muslims, but perhaps you could clarify that.

"The Taliban stone people to death who sodomize young boys."

http://www.network54.com/Forum/242808/thread/1303764830/last-1303764830/Pashtun+Sexuality

You should probably read that article...as it appears to be a cultural thing, it is something that would have developed over decades and centuries...


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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 21 2011, 6:46 AM 

^Bin laden didn't enter the us close to 9/11, why should he be tried their?,

No, he did not personally enter the US, that is true. He approved the attack and he provided the funds to execute it. Whether you like it or not, Uchia, that is murder. Not simply murder but mass murder, committed in the US at his direction.

when you make an accusation you need to back it up.

bin Laden, many times, acknowledged that he was behind the 9-11 attacks. What more proof do you need?

You just made two claims, now if your a man of your words back it up, I too hate the taliban but it takes a weak man too spew out things that are completely false.

I have made no false claims, Uchia. The proof of both of my "accusations" have been posted here time and time again. If you'd like the proof of my claim the search function here will provide ample proof of both. Simply look in this thread as Coalde posted a link to the proof about Pashtun love for sodomizing little boys. If you think it's false, then the burden shifts to you to prove that it is. I await your proof.


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It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny.

Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation."

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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 21 2011, 7:09 AM 

lol your arguments allready falling apart, now its pasthun huh? so who are those other factions taliban have been fighting against in their country, they're pashtun too right? really you didn't know? and here I thought you knew everything about everything.

You also said, abusing boys was systematic in their version of shariah, or perhaphs you meant thats what Islam teaches?, then I'm afraid you're gonna have to provide the evidence, let me also remind you people within organisations do stray from their own laws of conduct.

Taliban against womens education?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVFQu4_sJxI&sns=em

 
 

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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 21 2011, 7:24 AM 

lol your arguments allready falling apart, now its pasthun huh? so who are those other factions taliban have been fighting against in their country, they're pashtun too right? really you didn't know? and here I thought you knew everything about everything.

The Pashtun "warriors" the the key to the Taliban and its power. I suppose if the Taliban REALLY is against sodomizing little boys it put and end to these practices when they were in power and continue to do so now, right?

You also said, abusing boys was systematic in their version of shariah, or perhaphs you meant thats what Islam teaches?, then I'm afraid you're gonna have to provide the evidence, let me also remind you people within organisations do stray from their own laws of conduct.

Actually, I never sad any such thing. I never mentioned sharia. I never suggested that Islam teaches sodomizing little boys. What I said is that the Taliban, which claims to follow Islam sodomizes little boys. Interestingly enough, Uchia, setting up these straw men by claiming I said things that clearly I did not, show the flaws of your ability in reasoning.

Taliban against womens education?

Yes, they are. Having some guy on a YouTube video saying it isn't true hardly refutes the mountains of evidence that it is.

Care to try again, Uchia? If you do, let me give you a friendly suggestion, try to use facts and reason in your arguments and you'll do better than simply spouting nonsense and pretending that it proves something.



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It is the teaching of all history that liberty can only be preserved in small areas. Local self-government is, therefore, indispensable to liberty. A centralized and distant bureaucracy is the worst of all tyranny.

Taxation can justly be levied for no purpose other than to provide revenue for the support of the government. To tax one person, class or section to provide revenue for the benefit of another is none the less robbery because done under the form of law and called taxation."

John W. Davis, Democratic Presidential Candidate, 1924. Davis was one of the greatest trial and appellate lawyers in US history. He also served as the US Ambassador to the UK.

 
 

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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 24 2011, 6:01 AM 

"...it takes a weak man too spew out things that are completely false."

Exactly, which nicely describes pretty much every post you have ever made on WAFF. 'grats to you for admitting the weakness of your character (not to mention your arguments).

Back over to my discussion with Anwar, so Anwar you haven't addressed my question, do you believe that Muslims deserve to be able to ignore the laws of whatever nation they happen to be in and instead should be allowed to pick and choose what interpretation of Sharia they would like to be tried on?

You see Anwar, I have always known that highly religious types (HRT) feel that their beliefs make them superior to everyone else...I have just never seen an HRT blather on about how their beliefs in an imaginary boogeyman in the sky should grant them special treatment in the face of the law. But I am fascinated to try and understand why it is that any sane person would believe that they should have a different set of laws to follow from their neighbour purely based upon which set of fairy tales that individual has decided to believe in...so please enlighten me.


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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 24 2011, 8:47 AM 

Cockaid, I challenged your superior to show one piece of evidence to show that the taliban specifically made it law to sodomise boys, he failed, merely pointing to go look in some thread made by some fuktard.

Until you bring the proof go back to your janitorial duties that has you woking 16 hrs a day so you can maintain your scummy worthless existence.

 
 

Anwar
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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 24 2011, 2:18 PM 


Back over to my discussion with Anwar, so Anwar you haven't addressed my question, do you believe that Muslims deserve to be able to ignore the laws of whatever nation they happen to be in and instead should be allowed to pick and choose what interpretation of Sharia they would like to be tried on?

You see Anwar, I have always known that highly religious types (HRT) feel that their beliefs make them superior to everyone else...I have just never seen an HRT blather on about how their beliefs in an imaginary boogeyman in the sky should grant them special treatment in the face of the law. But I am fascinated to try and understand why it is that any sane person would believe that they should have a different set of laws to follow from their neighbour purely based upon which set of fairy tales that individual has decided to believe in...so please enlighten me.

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To the believing the religious law overrides everything else as it is from God. We are not allowed to pick and choose what we like and ignore the rest. The laws set by God are for eternity. They do not change so frequently like man-made law does nor do they contradict like the various man-made laws of the world. The religious law needs to be followed to the best of ones ability.

Muslims are only allowed to live in non-Muslim countries if an exception applies to them like representing the Muslim state in a non-Muslim country, being born in that country, going for education or healthcare that cannot be provided in a Muslim country etc.

Muslims are suppose to follow the laws of the country they are in as long as it does not conflict with their religion. If they conflict then they need to try to avoid them. If the country forces it on them they need to do everything they can so it is changed. If even after that nothing changes then they do not get a sin. If practicing their religion is in threat then they have to leave the non-Muslim country and go to a Muslim country.

It is more logical to believe in a all powerful creator than believe that we were created by chance and our ancestors were monkeys.

Let me put it this way. There was a American citizen in Afghanistan who committed adultery in Afghanistan under the Taliban. The punishment of such an act is death. This is not so in America. Let us assume this guy got away and is in America now. If the Taliban said to the American government that this crime was committed in the Islamic state of Afghanistan and we need this American to be extradited so he can be tried in an Islamic court for his crime. What would the American government do?

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The Muslims believe that Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) was not crucified on the cross. They believe that he was raised to the heavens by the Lord and the Lord put someone (the Lord made him look like Jesus) in Jesus spot. There will be a day when Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) will return to this world. He will return not as a prophet but as a follower of Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). Upon his arrival all the world's Christians will become Muslims. After some time the whole world will become Muslim for the Lord has said the whole world will taste Islam. I can't wait for that day. Indeed only someone so great can bring something so beautiful.

Long live the great Muslim people.
Long live the great Muslim nations.

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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 25 2011, 7:54 AM 

@UCHIA

Hmmmm...such a vehement response to a simple video!!! What upset you don't have your own 13 year old boy that dances for you and you can sodomize? Looks that way to me...

By the way...reading the thread, I don't see anywhere where Provost stated the Taliban created a law mandating the sodomizing of young boys...this penchant for homosexual paedophilia appear to be a by product of Islam's highly misogynist decrees (in particular the tendency of traditional interpretations of Islam to consider women to be property).

@Anwar

I now understand Muslims completely...being involved in the murder of thousands of innocent people is morally equivalent to adultery in the Muslim mind...thank you for clarifying that for me.

"Muslims are suppose to follow the laws of the country they are in as long as it does not conflict with their religion."

So what you are saying is that Muslims who commit an honour killing of a women should not face trial in a secular state where women have equal rights to men? ...since some Muslims have interpreted honour killings to be sanctioned by the Koran, as is the killing of non-Muslims as the Koran has also been used to justify that. Religion of peace, indeed...

"Muslims are only allowed to live in non-Muslim countries if an exception applies to them like representing the Muslim state in a non-Muslim country, being born in that country, going for education or healthcare that cannot be provided in a Muslim country, etc."

Hmmmm...you better tell the 500,000 or so Muslims every year that emigrate from Muslim countries that they are in violation of your particular interpretation of the Koran.

"To the believing the religious law overrides everything else as it is from God."

So you are again stating that Muslims have no obligation to the state that they live in to follow the laws should they feel those laws are contrary to their beliefs as Muslims? A simple yes or no will suffice.


"It is more logical to believe in a all powerful creator than believe that we were created by chance and our ancestors were monkeys. "

Yes I suppose it is...if your basis for logic is fairy tales written by a plagiarizing deranged mass murdering merchant 1500 years ago. As for the rest of us who use the scientific method to determine reality, it appears the evidence indeed points to the fact that humans are primates and that life was merely the coincidence of hundreds (if not thousands or millions) of factors.

P.S. - I am basing my response on your belief that you provide the only true interpretation of Islam as you seem to be claiming in this thread.


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Re: Taliban 'offered bin Laden trial before 9/11'

September 25 2011, 10:03 AM 

cock

Cockaid you are merely projecting your own thoughts, or perhaphs of your women folk happy.gif

4:16 If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and mend, Leave them alone (do not annoy them in other words after they were punished); for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful.

lmao traiditional Islam holds the view women are possession? your a typical swine, always speaking out from your backside, everything a wife earns is HER OWN, if she was her hunband property it would automatically be all his.

 
 
 
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