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ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

August 28 2006 at 10:09 PM

Mario  (Login diquinonsipassa)
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LEBANON: PARISI, IN 2007 600 MLN EUROS FOR MISSION
(AGI) - Rome, Aug 28 - Italy will pay 220 million euros in 2006 for the Unifil 2 mission that was approved by the Cabinet today, 600 million in 2007. Defence Minister Arturo Parisi said this during a press meeting in the Prime Minister's office.

http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl

LEBANON: PARISI, ITALIAN SOLDIERS OPERATIVE FROM SEPTEMBER 1
(AGI) - Rome, Aug 28 - The will leave tomorrow and will be operative on the first of September already. Defence Minister Arturo Parisi said this, illustrating to journalists the guidelines of the decree on the Unifil mission that was approved today by the Cabinet. The mission will be classified as a peace keeping mission. The operation is divided in two phases over a period of four months, and will cost 220 million euros until the end of this year. The first phase starts tomorrow and ends by the end of October with the departure of the "entrance force" of 2500 soldiers, 800 on land and 1500 on five ships of the Navy. The second phase will last from November to the end of the year with 2680 soldiers, 2450 on land and 200 on Navy ships. Parisi explained that 20 Italian soldiers, guided by general Castegnetti, will be operative in the United Nations in New York, to sustain the operation. Parisi confirmed: "This mission will be long, expensive, demanding and risky. But our armed forces demonstrated to be up to the job".


LEBANON: PARISI, ITALIAN MISSION DIVIDED INTO TWO STAGES
(AGI) - Rome, Aug. 28 - The decree approved today by the government and including 11 articles establishes that the Italian mission in Lebanon will be divided into two stages: the first one will start immediately and will last until September-October; the second one concerns the actual deployment of the Italian contingent. 2,496 soldiers will participate in the first stage of the mission, 1,000 of whom in ground operations. In the second stage, the number of Italian blue helmets will amount to 2,680, 2,450 of whom representing ground forces. The announcement was made by defence minister Arturo Parisi, during a pres conference in the prime minister's office. Parisi explained that the whole mission will last 4 months. (AGI) -

DI PIETRO: MISSIONS IN LEBANON AND AFGHANISTAN DIFFERENT ISSUE
(AGI) - Rome, Aug. 28 - Speaking to journalists at the end of today's Cabinet meeting, Infrastructure Minister Antonio Di Pietro said that Italy should take part in the international mission in Lebanon irrespective of the commitments made in Afghanistan because they are "two different and separate issues". "We have found today the necessary resources to finance the mission through increased tax yields. That would save citizens further cuts to essential public spending" the minister concluded.

LEBANON: "GARIBALDI" WEIGHS ANCHOR FROM TARANTO
(AGI) - Taranto, Aug. 28 - The marines aircraft carrier "Garibaldi" weighed anchor shortly after 9 am from the Chiapparo wharf in the Taranto port. It is one of the five units of the Italian contingent which tomorrow will be leaving for the peace mission in Lebanon. The cruiser, once at sea, will wait for the aircraft, helicopters and vertical take-off Sea Harrier planes and the four other units of the marines which will be involved in the UNIFIL 2 mission. Yesterday morning, from Porto Marghera (Venice), the landing craft S. Marco left the port with 120 amphibious assault soldiers. In addition to S. Marco and Garibaldi, the corvettes Fenice, S. Giusto and S.Giorgio will be participating. On the Garibaldi there is also the Admiral Giuseppe De Giorgi, who has operating command of the mission.

LEBANON. TWO MORE UNIFIL 2 SHIPS HAVE LEFT BRINDISI
(AGI) - Taranto, 28 August - The remaining three ships of the Italian mission in Lebanon have left Brindisi and Taranto. Their departures had been envisaged for tomorrow and was anticipated. The San Giusto and San Giorgio ships, which left Brindisi, are now converging towards the Otranto channel where they will join the aircraft carrier 'Garibaldi' - which left Taranto today with the corvette 'Fenice' - and the San Marco ship, which had set out yesterday from Porto Marghera.

LEBANON: OBSERVER, TRIUMPHALISM ON UN FORCE SURPRISES
(AGI) - Vatican, Aug 28 - The peace mission of the military Italian contingent in Lebanon represents "a delicate moment for the whole country, in the light of the difficult problems of various nature and the difficulties yet to come". The Roman Observer writes this, commenting on the decree on the mission, stigmatizing "who, in politics, illustrates such complex event with emphasis, if not even triumphalism. These attitudes are surprising and frankly seem inappropriate". According to the Observer, "The Italian mission in Lebanon might be a long one and relevant from a military and political point of view". Therefore the Vatican hopes it will be faced in a responsible and sober way".





    
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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 28 2006, 10:39 PM 

and for FREMMs ? lol i joke...

good who follow France an Italia in Lebanon ?



 
 

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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 29 2006, 5:12 PM 

turkey !!!!!


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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 29 2006, 5:16 PM 

Italian troops leave for Lebanon

http://www.ansa.it/main/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2006-08-29_1295762.html

Five Navy ships to arrive on Friday with some 1,000 troops (ANSA) - Rome, August 29 - An advance contingent of some 1,000 Italian soldiers left for Lebanon on Tuesday to take part in a United Nations' peacekeeping mission which the government said will be among the most difficult since the end of the Second World War .

"The mission will be long, risky, expensive and difficult, but nonetheless a duty," Defence Minister Arturo Parisi told soldiers aboard the aircraft carrier Garibaldi .

The flagship of the Italian fleet and four other Navy ships set sail for Lebanon after a farewell ceremony off the southern port of Brindisi also attended by Premier Romano Prodi .

"The mission you are embarking on is undoubtedly among the most delicate and demanding since the end of the Second World War," said Parisi .

The five ships are scheduled to arrive off the southern Lebanese coast on Friday, Admiral Giampaolo Di Paola told reporters .

The Italian contingent will be deployed to cover an area measuring 15km by 20 km which lies between the Litani river, on the north, and the western coast .

"The mission will be delicate and of enormous historical significance," said Prodi, in his speech to soldiers aboard the Garibaldi .

"Italy will be watching you closely and with affection: it appreciates your efforts and is with you as you prepare to do your duty to foster peace in a country long beset by war, hatred and violence," the premier said .

"We'll follow you with pride and faith, aware that though you will be carrying weapons, you are going to Lebanon solely to bring peace." The premier said the rules of engagement set by the UN were "scrupulous, robust and unequivocal" .

The mission has helped create a moment of profound unity in the country, said the premier, stressing that "all the political parties, without distinction, the majority as well as the opposition" supported Italian participation in the multinational force .

On Friday, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan told a meeting of European Union foreign ministers called to decide on European partipation that France will lead the multinational force until February 2007 when command will be given to Italy .

Italy has offered to deploy up to 3,000 soldiers while France has promised to bring the number of its troops up to 2,000 .

The peacekeeping force will enter southern Lebanon under UN Resolution 1701, which requires the militant group Hezbollah and Israel to end their military operations and obliges Israel to withdraw its troops as soon as the UN troops arrive .

The Resolution, adopted on August 11, calls for an expansion of a UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon since 1978 to help some 15,000 Lebanese soldiers enforce the truce, which came into effect on August 14 .

The 34-day conflict was triggered by a Hezbollah incursion into Israeli territory on July 12, when guerrillas belonging to the group killed eight Israeli soldiers and captured two others. Some 1,000 Lebanese civilians and more than 115 Israelis, mostly soldiers, were killed during the fighting. Parisi said on Monday that the deployment of Italian troops will take place in two phases, over a four-month period. In the first phase - expected to last till October at latest - some 1,000 Italian soldiers will be put on the ground .

A total of 2,450 soldiers will be deployed by the end of the second phase, two months later, he said .

The government has earmarked 186.8 million euros for the mission till the end of the year, with 30 million euros allotted to humanitarian aid and reconstruction efforts, Foreign Minister Massimo D'Alema told reporters on Monday .

In a long article published by the Wall Street Journal on Tuesday D'Alema said that success in Lebanon could spread to the broader Middle East .

"The implementation of Resolution 1701 will be a crucial test for all of us. If we succeed, this will create a new momentum for seriously addressing the 60-year-old Palestinian issues - the sooner the better, for all the parties involved" .



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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 29 2006, 6:22 PM 

Belgium sends 394 men


Don't try this at home lads
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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 30 2006, 8:39 PM 

I thought there wasn't any money available in the Italian budget...? That's what the clown Prodi said!

And he said he won't raise taxes!

He will either:

A)Be forced to admit that there IS money in the treasury, or
B)Forced to raise taxes

Either way, it only helps the center-right opposition.




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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 30 2006, 9:58 PM 

Money well-spent for Italy in my opinion. And for Lebanon. I hardly see how leading Unifil is a boost to the center-right despite your budgetary sniping. Italians support the mission and it has reinserted Italy as a key player in European politics, something that Berlusconi shunned for a closer relationship to the United States. Again, this is something most Italians favor.

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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 30 2006, 9:58 PM 

good for FREMMs !



One FREMM !



 
 

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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 30 2006, 10:35 PM 

LEBANON: ITALIAN MISSION TO BE CALLED "LEONTE"

http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?doc=200608291415-1133-RT1-CRO-0-NF11&page=0&id=agionline-eng.oggitalia

(AGI) - Onboard of the aircraft carrier Garibaldi, Aug 29 - After the ceremony at the presence of the Italian premier on board of the aircraft carrier Garibaldi, the Italian military mission operating in southern Lebanon under UN resolution officially started. The operation, explained Admiral Giampaolo di Paola, will be called "Leonte", the antique name of the river Litani, the zone in which Italian troops are going to be positioned. Troops will arrive probably on September 1st in the harbour of Tyro and will be in charge of an area of 15x20 km between the town of Tyro and the river Litani and the Sea. Admiral Di Paola speaking in front of the soldiers reminded that this mission is "difficult because it has an extremely complex operating context where historic tension, the painful result of the recent conflict and the always present risk of terrorism are overlapping". The Italian contingent comprises aircraft carrier Garibaldi, landing crafts San Giusto, San Marco, San Giorgio as well as corvette Fenice, a total number of 2153 men, 1350 of which board crew and 803 marine riflemen of the San Marco regiment and the amphibious assault soldiers of the Serenissima. On board 11 helicopters, 5 SH3D, 6 AB-212 and 4 Sea Harriers. (agi) .


291415 AGO 06
COPYRIGHTS 2002-2006 AGI S.p.A.

for pics of the little fleet see:

http://www.marina.difesa.it/diario/2006/leonte/index.asp



 
 

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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 30 2006, 11:35 PM 

@GoItaly
"Money well-spent for Italy in my opinion. And for Lebanon. I hardly see how leading Unifil is a boost to the center-right despite your budgetary sniping. Italians support the mission and it has reinserted Italy has a key player in European politics, something that Berlusconi shunned for a closer relationship to the United States. Again, this is something most Italians favor."


A player in European politics?

Yes, is that when Italy was forced to hand over command of UN forces to France?

Oh yes! What a player!


Of course, the fact that Italy sent troops to Iraq didn't make Italy an international player......exactly why is that?


By the way, there is a difference between the support on this war than with the Iraqi conflict.

Firstly, the center-right is being a GOOD opposition by supporting the sending of UN forces. When the center-left was in the opposition, they went madly insane in opposing the war, being intransigent as ever (as they have always been, opposing EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of the Berlusconi government).

Furthermore, the support for the war is hardly overwhelming, it is little more than 50% of the population.

This move is nothing more than more hypocrisy on the part of the Mortadella Government.




La Repubblica Ragusana - La quinta repubblica marittrima!

Italia triumphs again!
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch

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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 31 2006, 12:08 AM 

Yes, a strong player in European politics! It was Italy who stepped up when France faltered and who successfully rallied European foreign ministers at an EU meeting. France will lead for another five months, which I am willing to bend on because from then on, Italy will lead up to 12,000 foreign troops in Lebanon. They are already setting up a military planning cell in New York...run by the Italian military.

Supporting the neo-conservative ideology in the Mideast that ran directly against European principles and the European populace's wishes is not something that garners Italy much leadership or admiration in Europe or abroad, except in America where allies are seen more as tools in the tool-box than partners in the world. In Europe there is more parity and a communal sharing of missions. The EU is the best arena for expression of a new, strong Italian foreign policy.

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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 31 2006, 12:18 AM 

@GoItaly
Same load of leftist nonsense, as usual....

Exactly what European praise was Italy attempting to garner in 2003, France and Germany's? Gee, it's a shame though that other European nations like the UK and Spain don't count as part of the EU, who also supported sending soldiers to Iraq.

Now, exactly what European "principles" was Italy violating when Italian soldiers marched in Iraq?

Italy stepping up? Something that was supported by Berlusconi, so your point is null.

Furthermore, Prodi was "stepping up" to gain prestige, of which he gained none, only humiliation. He handed back the leadership to France, when Italy could have retained it. The Lebanon adventure is nothing particularly "amazing" for the Prodi government, nor something he should be glorified about. The center-right would have done the exact same thing, the only difference would be probably that there would be massive opposition from the center-left, because their hypocrisy is so visibly evident.

Italy rallied absolutely NO ONE at the meetings, more propaganda. In fact, Italy and France continue to be the only European nations sending a meaningful contribution. Tell me of ONE European nation (outside the previous two) that vowed to send even 1,000 soldiers!'

Now, tell me about this "military cell" in New York....you know, with a link? The European Union was completely divided in Iraq and you know it, Germany and France formed the main opposition block to intervention, while Spain, Italy, and the UK favored it, as well as other nations.

Spare me the hypocrisy.

The center-left is and always be the same hypocritical mess.

Edit:

Also, Italy's mission in Lebanon is essentially useless. D'Alema has agreed to not disarming Hezbollah, and the Italian government hasn't even issues any rules of engagement. They have not allowed for Italian troops to fire against those that attack them, which is unacceptable.

The Unione is sending Italian troops to do nothing in Lebanon. But oh yes, apparently Italy is supposed to gain "prestige."




La Repubblica Ragusana - La quinta repubblica marittrima!

Italia triumphs again!
"When valour takes the field, short will the conflict be; Barbarian rage shall yield the palm to Italy. The vital spark remains, and Roman blood still warms Italians' veins."
- Petrarch

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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 31 2006, 1:44 AM 

A total and complete waste of money, literally throwing money into dirt. This will not benefit Italy in any way whatsoever. These billions (over several years) will be taken from places where they would have been well (or at least better) spent and then just wasted. At least they should make the cuts neccessary to pay for this from the aid budget, then at least it will simply be throwing the same money into different dirt instead of wasting extra money.

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August 31 2006, 4:12 AM 

Quote:
Gen. Fabrizio Castagnetti, who will head a mini-command center at the United Nations in New York, told reporters that the "biggest risks on the ground are of either side not respecting the ceasefire and of terrorist activity."

Reuters

Yes, France and Germany count for more than UK and Spain, all of whose people opposed the Iraq War anyways. Polls for every EU nation sans maybe Poland overwhelmingly rejected the Iraq War, Jose Maria Anzar and Silvio Berlusconi paid the price for supporting it. The praise Berlusconi was hoping to garner was specifically Bush's, not our the European community.

Prodi was humiliated?! He has accomplished more than he set out for when he initially pushed for a cease-fire and offered troops; Italy now will lead the mission. Not immediately, but if you think six months less of leadership is humiliation, what do you call Operation Ancient Babylon in Iraq? This leadership has been praised by all, including antigonists Israel and Lebanon. It WAS largely due to Prodi's diplomacy and Euro-credentials that France relented and Belgium upped their commitment. Turkey and Russia, two quasi-European nations, look to contribute as well.

Prodi has already dispached our navy with the first contigent of troops. The Italian Defense Minister Arturo Parisi has no delusions of this mission either and has impressed upon the soldiers and Italians that it is
"among the most delicate and demanding missions since the end of World War Two" which promised to be "long, risky, expensive and difficult but a righteous mission."

Finally, you could not be more uninformed regarding the rules of engagement. The UN has approved very liberal rules that allow the peacekeepers to fire in self-defense and fire upon those that try to block their duties, among others.

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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 31 2006, 8:32 PM 

About the attitude showed by Berlusconi administration it is his own credit a more active, affirmative and independent foreign policy and particularly the choice to support the atlantist coalition with USA and GB

this choice was criticized by both leftist opposition in italy and world's tranzie medias but was a success for italy in terms of his authonomy in the world and particularly in Europe mainly in front of the Rhinian coalition which controls traditionally the continental UE

and as the neighbouring powers of France and Germany are the main strategical threat (at present only economically, of course) to the authonomy of italy

Of course the real engagement of the Berlusconi administration side by side with USA has been limited and balanced with relatively good but more authonomous relations with France and Germany (FREMM, Horizon, SAAM projects and other civilian ones still in dealing as energy, nuclear, banks etc)

the interest of italy is not to fight against France or germany but to cooperate at more equal terms

the italian armed forces haven't really been involved in large fighting as will of Berlusconi himself

and as the main interests of Berlusconi's administration were oriented differently Italy never took the advantages related with the new foreign policy

as consequence of the higher level of Berlusconi's foreign policy the new leftist coalition needs a more higher visibility on the international set with opposite priorities as the EU and UN who could overshadow the achievents and strategy of the rightist coalition

they want consequently for larger success and of the opposite political colour in the same contests

so the choice to strenghten the UN in Lebanon and on side of the oppressed arabs against the axis of capitalism of UA and Israel

a question they didn't considered is the higher risk and cost of their more active policies and the overstretching of the italian military tool who is also very limited and short of funds

About the own position of italy inside Europe and World it has been a traditional aim of his foreign policy to become one amongst the great european countries
and this ambition of status is one the present greats Germany, France and also GB are unwilling to accord

of course someone would reasonably object italy has more different priorities then searching for a status of prestige in the foreign affairs arena


Vanessa Gravina - age 32

 
 

Mario
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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

August 31 2006, 8:59 PM 

an advance information, only in italian as it will be translated only tomorrow, sorry

italians will land in Lebanon on next Sunday


LIBANO: GIA' DOMANI POSSIBILE SBARCO 'SIMBOLICO' ITALIANI SU SPIAGGIA TIRO

Beirut, 31 ago. - (Aki) - Potrebbe sbarcare gia' domani a Tiro una 'simbolica' avanguardia del contingente italiano in Libano: tale possibilita' - sulla quale non sarebbe stata ancora presa una decisione definitiva - e' confermata ad AKI-ADNKRONOS INTERNATIONAL da una fonte militare italiana. Nessun dubbio invece sullo sbarco sabato 2 settembre degli 800 uomini dell' "Operazione Leonte" che dovrebbero approdare in localita' ash-Shawaqir, una grade spiaggia a sud della citta' libanese. I nostri militari si accamperanno subito con tende dall'Italia in un campo allestito nei pressi delle localita' di Frun, Srifa e Ghanduriyye, poste a una ventina di km ad est di Tiro.
I soldati italiani dovrebbero fermarsi sul posto circa una settimana per poi spostarsi in quello che dovrebbe essere il quartier generale definitivo della nostra missione, attualmente posto nella localita' di Maraka, 10 km ad est di Tiro.
Nella zona, annuncia la fonte, ''ci stiamo coordinando con l'esercito libanese'': sono gia' stati effettuati ''sopralluoghi senza che siano emersi problemi particolari: non abbiamo neppure rilevato una presenza di Hezbollah''. Come spiega la fonte, la missione italiana ha diverse finalita': prima fra tutte ''aiutare la popolazione civile e farla sentire piu' al sicuro''. Ma gli italiani lavoreranno anche per ''ripristinare le vie di comunicazione e far ripartire anche i commerci: insomma vogliamo far capire ai libanesi che siamo qui per aiutarli'', conclude la fonte.





 
 

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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

September 1 2006, 3:08 PM 

LEBANON: FIRST ITALIAN TROOPS ON THE GROUND

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Security&loid=8.0.335912355&par=0


Tyre, 1 Sept. (AKI) - A group of Italian soldiers visited Naqura, southern Lebanon, on Friday to make contact with the command of the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) based there ahead of the main Italian contingent's landing scehduled for the following day, Italy's military chief of staff Giampaolo Di Paola announced. The commander of the Italian naval mission, admiral Giuseppe De Giorgi, landed by helicopter with around 20 soldiers and held talks with French general Alain Pellegrini, the commander of the UN force in Lebanon.

Italy's 2,500-strong contingent - the main contributor to the UN-backed peacekeeping operations - is in Tyre onboard five navy ships.

Out of the 2,496 Italian troops sent to Lebanon, 1,000 will be deployed on the ground while the rest will remain on the warships. The contingent will grow to include 2,600 soldiers in the next two months, after which Italy will deploy 2,450 troops on the ground, the defence ministry has said.

Italy is expected to take over from France the military command of the peacekeeping mission at the beginning of next year.

(Ebc/Aki)

Sep-01-06




    
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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

September 2 2006, 6:51 AM 

So Giuseppe De Giorgi will command the naval element...who will command the ground forces for Italy (under Pelligrini that is)?

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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

September 2 2006, 10:58 AM 

@GoItaly

commander of all the Italian forces (sea., air, land)is

Ammiraglio di divisione Giuseppe De Giorgi

the Land Forces is leaded by Contrammiraglio (Rear Admiral) Claudio Confessore, former commander of "San Marco" regiment
is vice-commander is colonnello Emilio Motolese former commander of the Lagunari "Serenissima" Regiment


Colonel Motolese with former mayor of Venice Costa
Colonel Motolese commanded in Iraq the Lagunari at Nassyria

the "San Marco" battalion is commanded by Capitano di vascello Walter Guerrisi and the Lagunari battallion by Colonnello Luigi Chiapperini



@GoItaly the colours and drawings from the BDU of the Amphibious troops of Army and Marines of the Navy are different you can distinguish the different units from the pics, those are Marò from the Navy

 
 

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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: IN 2007 THE MISSION WILL COST 600 MLN EUROS

September 3 2006, 10:34 AM 

Italiani in Libano: quanto costano?


di Gianandrea Gaiani
31/8/2006

Source: Panorama


La missione costerà 100 milioni all'anno in più dell'operazione "Antica Babilonia" in Iraq (circa 500 milioni all'anno) e oltre il doppio della missione NATO in Afghanistan (mediamente 280 milioni all'anno). La si può quindi già proclamare la missione militare italiana più costosa dal 1945 ad oggi. Nonostante la situazione finanziaria della Difesa, denunciata da tutti i capi di stato maggiore, sia drammatica »Immagini » Ultimora » Forum: eccesso di difesa?



Dopo anni di polemiche sui costi "eccessivi" delle missioni italiane in Iraq e Afghanistan e di domande retoriche poste da sinistra che si chiedevano "quante scuole e ospedali si sarebbero potuti costruire con tanti milioni di euro", l'Operazione "Leonte" è salpata per Beirut senza alcuna obiezione sui costi così elevati da poterla già proclamare la missione militare italiana più costosa dal 1945 ad oggi.

Solo per i primi quattro mesi, da settembre a dicembre, il governo ha stanziato 216 milioni di euro per finanziare l'impegno in Libano: 187 milioni a copertura dei costi del contingente militare e gli altri a sostegno alla ricostruzione post bellica del Libano.
Denaro reso disponibile dal boom di entrate fiscali garantito dalla Finanziaria del governo Berlusconi.
Per il 2007 i costi militari dell'operazione "Leonte" sono stimati invece in circa 600 milioni di euro, ma potrebbero aumentare considerato che il contingente italiano operativo sul territorio libanese salirà entro novembre dagli attuali 800 soldati a 2.600 e potrebbe raggiungere le 3.000 unità a febbraio del prossimo anno, quando l'Italia assumerà il comando di UNIFIL.
"Leonte" costerà quindi 100 milioni all'anno in più dell'operazione "Antica Babilonia" in Iraq, costata circa 500 milioni all'anno e oltre il doppio della missione NATO in Afghanistan che costa mediamente 280 milioni all'anno.

Eppure nella provincia irachena del Dhiqar hanno operato contingenti anche superiori ai 3.000 effettivi e l'avvicendamento dei reparti, il supporto logistico e i tempi di percorrenza di navi ed aerei erano certo più elevati rispetto al Libano mentre le condizioni di vita e di lavoro dei militari erano certo più disagiate. In Afghanistan, dove operano attualmente quasi 1.800 militari italiani, i costi di trasporto e logistica sono ancora più elevati che in Iraq perché l'assenza di coste rende impossibile l'impiego di navi e tutti materiali giungono per via aerea a Kabul e Herat.

A far lievitare i conti della partecipazione italiana a UNIFIL contribuiscono le ingenti forze aereonavali.
Come l'impiego, nella fase iniziale, di sei navi da guerra inclusa la portaerei Garibaldi con jet Harrier ed elicotteri incaricati da fornire supporto e copertura al primo contingente che sbarca a terra. Dopo circa un mese la portaerei rientrerà in Italia per essere rimpiazzata da un reparto di caccia AMX dell'Aeronautica che verrà rischierato probabilmente nella base britannica di Akrotyri, a Cipro.

Mezzi aerei e navali che non sono stati inviati in Iraq e Afghanistan dove il supporto dal cielo è garantito dagli anglo-americani che forniscono anche il carburante per i mezzi militari.
Inoltre i militari impegnati con l'ONU in Libano guadagneranno di più dei loro colleghi in Iraq e Afghanistan: un maresciallo o un tenente colonnello a Tiro percepirà una diaria di 200 euro contro i 166 di un pari grado a Kabul o Nassiryah.
Le Nazioni Unite dovrebbero comunque rimborsare una parte ancora da definire delle spese sostenute ma in genere si tratta di percentuali non superiori al 25% dei costi vivi per il mantenimento e la retribuzione dei caschi blu ma non coprono certo le spese di gestione di una flotta o di un reparto di jet da combattimento.

Negli ambienti militari il nuovo impegno oltremare solleva non poche critiche non tanto per il tipo di missione quanto perché ai costi sostenuti con i fondi ad hoc per finanziare le missioni non corrispondono investimenti adeguati nel Bilancio della Difesa.
L'intenso impiego operativo ha infatti usurato i mezzi soprattutto dell'Esercito ma gli stanziamenti in continuo calo impediscono l'acquisizione di nuovi equipaggiamenti, l'adeguato addestramento e persino l'acquisizione di pezzi di ricambio.
La situazione finanziaria della Difesa, denunciata da tutti i capi di stato maggiore, è drammatica: mancano i soldi per il carburante e persino per la pulizia delle caserme mentre quasi i tre quarti del Bilancio è utilizzato per pagare gli stipendi.



 
 
berthierch
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Imperium Europeum (Europe)

european and turkish business plan

September 3 2006, 2:28 PM 

the conclusion of europe, turkey and the arab states was that letting Middle East to US+ Israel management brings unstability, increase of extremism and loss of influence.
The new "democratic order" of Rice is dangerous and leads to fragmentation of states and existing regimes : it will not be accepted - the statu-quo and present frontiers should be protected.
Youguslavian experience of us involvement in european affairs + developing additional us bases will not be repeated.
Peace with Iran is a fully european-russian affair.
Therefore:
The size of AA and sea components of the italian-french military forces deployed in lebanon have nothing to do with desarming hezbolah.
They aim at:
- render impossible the israeli blockade of lebanon
- protect themselves ...and lebanon from israeli air and missile strikes
- assess the projection of power in eastern mediterranean in competition with the USA and in cooperation with turkey
- protect the present and future investments of european firms in the region.
in particular, france and italy are deploying the last state of art automatic radar guided "short" range AA missiles, which have nothing to do with disarming ground forces or grounding katioucha type rockets.

More over, the lebanese army will be given better weapons and training in AA defence by various countries, including syria and iran...together with new ground units coming from hezbolah circles.
The target is that with the support of europe, the lebanon army can defend lebanon and its communication routes, harbour, etc against israel ( understand : even supported by the usa, but without direct visible participation of the usa forces.)
- A in the past, the oldest and out of service weapons are spectaluarly handed over by hez.to the lebanese army.
- Finance will also come from the arab states which, in parallel are developping defense and projection forces

 
 

Mario
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The Roman Legions (Italy)

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

September 4 2006, 7:34 PM 

Italian Troops Spend First Night Under The Stars
Soldiers slept in sleeping bags. Pneumatic tents are being erected. In the next ten days, UNIFIL commander Alain Pellegrini will indicate the area where the contingent is to be deployed.

http://www.corriere.it/english/articoli/2006/09_Settembre/04/italiantroops.shtml

JABAL MARUN (Southern Lebanon) – Many spent the first night under the stars, snug in sleeping bags. In these hills, when the sun goes down, the thermometer goes down with it. Now, Italy’s UN troops are busy erecting the pneumatic tents that will be their homes for short time.But this compound, crammed with white-painted armoured vehicles and guarded by soldiers from India and Ghana, is not where the contingent will be based. This is a training area, a sort of staging camp where newly arrived UN contingents get to grips with the territory. In ten days’ time, UNIFIL commander Alain Pellegrini will indicate where the Italians are to be deployed.

Today in this part of southern Lebanon, there are two thousand troops from two battalions, one Indian and the other from Ghana. They are real soldiers with real weapons: only the observers on the border with Israel are obliged by international conventions to move around unarmed. The climb up into the hills to get to Jabal Marun is a journey through death and destruction.Every village has its share of ruined houses. All the petrol stations, many of the shops and even a mosque have been destroyed. Along the roadside, twisted heaps of scrap metal mark the resting place of what used to be cars. Now and again, a bulldozer ambles noisily through the rubble but there are few people about. All there is to see is debris, rubble and the ubiquitous Hezbollah flags, acclaiming victory over Israel from every lamp-post.

Today, the Italian troops are eating tortellini, tuna and beans, and fruit salad,all taken from their combat rations. They’ll have to wait for a hot meal as the field kitchens are still on the trucks. “But we’re used to sleeping bags”, says a serene Colonel Emilio Motolese, the rugged-looking commander of the Lagunari troops and a veteran of Nasiriya at the height of the tension.“We’re fine here”. The colonel goes on to explain that the next few days will give the troops time to find out about the territory and its problems, and to study maps of the area of operations. Lieutenant Vittorio Parrella is one of the men who will have to explain to the contingent where they are, what has happened in the country and how they should behave. “I did some research before coming”, he is all he will say, somewhat reluctantly.

These soldiers have other missions under their belts.“But we’ve never had a welcome to match the goodwill people have shown here”, says one. He describes people coming out of their homes along the route to wave at the column of amphibious and armoured vehicles. Some locals even threw rice, like guests at an Italian wedding. From the compound, you can see across to a village on the opposite hillside, about three kilometres away. It is Srifa, which along with Cana, holds the sad, bloody record for deaths in the course of this war: nineteen people died in their homes when the village came under attack.



The first house, which we visit, has lost most of its roof and the windows are blackened with smoke. A black-clad woman tells us,“I lost two sons in the war. Two shahid, two martyrs”. But then a tall, dark youth interrupts her unceremoniously.“There’s nothing to say, nothing to find out. Go away”.She lowers her head and goes back into a room with no ceiling. Further up, in what was once the square where the victims died, and today is reduced to rubble, no one wants to talk. Passing drivers keep their hands on the horn, honking angrily.We take our leave.

Giuliano Gallo



 
 

Bob from Accounting
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The Redcoats (UK)

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

September 4 2006, 7:36 PM 

enough chit chat.lets see more of those images

Taking on the filfth

 
 

GoItaly
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WAFFer

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

September 4 2006, 10:09 PM 

Thanks for the articles Mario. I posted a bunch of pictures from Italy's landing on Saturday on the Mideast forum.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/242875/thread/1157225645/last-1157323867/Italian+troops+arrive+in+Lebanon

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Mario
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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

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Anonymous
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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

December 17 2006, 11:28 AM 


Does someone have pictures of the new Belgian DINGO2?

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roland
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La Grande Armee (France)

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

December 17 2006, 1:03 PM 

Thanks for the pics Mario.

Lebanon + France + Italy + Spain + Germany = strong

No excuse: if we let the Hezbollah any micrometer of chance if they try us militarily that mean we are idiots.

There only chance is political and so far they play it fair and well :|






    
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Anonymous
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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

December 17 2006, 4:54 PM 


 
 


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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

December 18 2006, 5:56 PM 

LEBANON: SOUTHERN AREAS ARE CALM, SAYS ITALIAN GENERAL



http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Security&loid=8.0.369648156&par=0



Beirut, 18 Dec. (AKI) - Unlike Beirut where Lebanon's poltical turmoil has hit the streets in the shape of mass anti-government demonstrations, Southern Lebanon has remained relatively calm, an Italian commander of the multinational peacekeeping force deployed in the region has said. "We haven't raised our security level, because we don't believe it is necessary," General Paolo Geromatta, told Adnkronos International (AKI) in an interview. The peacekeeping forces are currently on level "green" - indicating a low security threat in a scale that includes, blue for "guarded"; yellow for "elevated"; orange for "high", and red for "severe".


"However even if the level is 'green' we remain vigilant as we believe it is the best way to prevent any threats from developing," Gerometta who commands the Pozzuolo del Friuli Cavalry Brigade and the 2,500 Italian troops in the UNIFIL (United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon) contingent.

Gerometta told AKI that the local population have welcomed the UNIFIL troops with "praise and respect" and that the foreign troops including soldiers from France and Turkey and several other coutries were working together with the Lebanese military.

"We are not here to train the Lebanese troops but rather to train with them and to develop a reciprocal understanding," he said.

According to the spokesman for the Italian contingent, Tommaso Magistretti, the Lebanese people have appreciated the "care and support" of the Italian troops with respect to health services, including the use of mobile field hospitals, and the clearing of unexploded ordnance.

During the month-long conflict between Israel and Hezbollah almost all the bridges in southern Lebanon were destroyed while the presence of thousands of landmines and other explosives in fields and roads continues to pose a danger to the local population and tp hamper agriculural production.

Since arriving in Lebanon in September, Italian military bomb disposal experts have defused more than 2,000 explosives.

The Italian military has also printed pamphlets that have been distributed in shools arning children of the dangers they face when coming across such explosives


(Ale/Aki)


Dec-18-06 13:20



 
 

Mario
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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

December 24 2006, 8:31 PM 










    
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Mario
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The Roman Legions (Italy)

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

January 29 2007, 9:47 PM 

Italian UN commander in Lebanon
Gen. Graziano to take over peacekeeping force Friday

http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2007-01-29_12938082.html

BEIRUT (ANSA) - Italian General Claudio Graziano arrived on Monday in Lebanon where this week he will take up his new duties as commander of the United Nations peacekeeping force in the country.

Gen. Graziano, who has headed important international missions in Afghanistan and Mozambique, is to take over the 12,000-strong UNIFIL force on Friday, when he takes the reins from Gen. Alain Pellegrini of France.



Italy is currently the biggest contributor of troops to UN peacekeeping operations in Lebanon, supplying 2,500 of the 11,500 soldiers in the UNIFIL force.



The force, which was set up in 1978 to monitor the border between Israel and southern Lebanon, was considerably beefed up in the wake of last summer's war between Israeli forces and Hezbollah guerrillas.



Under UN Security Council resolution 1701, the multinational force is tasked with helping some 15,000 Lebanese troops enforce a truce in the war which came into effect on August 14.



Gen. Graziano's first official meeting with UNIFIL personnel at the Naqura base will take place on Thursday, officials there said on Monday.




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Mario
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The Roman Legions (Italy)

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

February 2 2007, 9:28 PM 

Italian takes over UNIFIL command

Gen. Claudio Graziano heads beefed- up UN peacekeeping force

http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2007-02-02_10236441.html

NAQURA (ANSA) - Italian General Claudio Graziano on Friday formally assumed command of the United Nations peacekeeping force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), replacing French General Alain Pellegrini.

"I am very proud to take command of this important UN mission which has undergone major changes due to events which have taken place since last July," Gen. Graziano told the press after taking up his new duties.

On hand for the ceremony marking the change of command were UN Secretary General Ban Ky-moon, Italy's ambassador to Lebanon, Gabriele Checchia, French Ambassador Bernard Emie and the commander of the Italian contingent in Lebanon, General Paolo Gerometta.

Speaking to the press, Gen. Graziano recalled that since last July, UNIFIL "has grown from a force of 2,000 men to one of 13,000 with a strong naval contingent".

"This transformation took place in accordance with the new mandate given by UN resolution 1701 and I wish to thank Gen. Pellegrini who guided this change during a very grave moment," the Italian general added.

UNIFIL, which was set up in 1978 to monitor the border between Israel and southern Lebanon, was beefed up in the wake of last summer's war between Israeli forces and Hezbollah guerrillas.

"In carrying out my task and I fully intend to work as close as possible with the Lebanese authorities, the army and, in general, the Lebanese people. This in order to offer the support established in resolution 1701 and to achieve the UN's objectives of peace and stability," he said. Italy is currently the biggest contributor of troops to UN peacekeeping operations in Lebanon, supplying 2,500 soldiers.

Under UN Security Council resolution 1701, the multinational force is tasked with helping some 15,000 Lebanese troops enforce a truce in the war which came into effect on August 14.

Before arriving in Lebanon, Gen. Graziano had headed important international missions in Afghanistan and Mozambique.




Bianca Guaccero ¨C 25 years old ¨C from Bitonto. Bari, Apulia

 
 

Mario
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The Roman Legions (Italy)

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

February 2 2007, 9:29 PM 

Italian takes over UNIFIL command

Gen. Claudio Graziano heads beefed- up UN peacekeeping force

http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2007-02-02_10236441.html

NAQURA (ANSA) - Italian General Claudio Graziano on Friday formally assumed command of the United Nations peacekeeping force in Lebanon (UNIFIL), replacing French General Alain Pellegrini.

"I am very proud to take command of this important UN mission which has undergone major changes due to events which have taken place since last July," Gen. Graziano told the press after taking up his new duties.

On hand for the ceremony marking the change of command were UN Secretary General Ban Ky-moon, Italy's ambassador to Lebanon, Gabriele Checchia, French Ambassador Bernard Emie and the commander of the Italian contingent in Lebanon, General Paolo Gerometta.

Speaking to the press, Gen. Graziano recalled that since last July, UNIFIL "has grown from a force of 2,000 men to one of 13,000 with a strong naval contingent".

"This transformation took place in accordance with the new mandate given by UN resolution 1701 and I wish to thank Gen. Pellegrini who guided this change during a very grave moment," the Italian general added.

UNIFIL, which was set up in 1978 to monitor the border between Israel and southern Lebanon, was beefed up in the wake of last summer's war between Israeli forces and Hezbollah guerrillas.

"In carrying out my task and I fully intend to work as close as possible with the Lebanese authorities, the army and, in general, the Lebanese people. This in order to offer the support established in resolution 1701 and to achieve the UN's objectives of peace and stability," he said. Italy is currently the biggest contributor of troops to UN peacekeeping operations in Lebanon, supplying 2,500 soldiers.

Under UN Security Council resolution 1701, the multinational force is tasked with helping some 15,000 Lebanese troops enforce a truce in the war which came into effect on August 14.

Before arriving in Lebanon, Gen. Graziano had headed important international missions in Afghanistan and Mozambique.




Bianca Guaccero - 25 years old - from Bitonto. Bari, Apulia

 
 

roland
(Login ultrarep)
La Grande Armee (France)

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

February 2 2007, 11:57 PM 


Hurray for Gen Graziano our chief !


 
 

Mario
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The Roman Legions (Italy)

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

February 20 2007, 5:12 PM 

MIDDLE EAST: U.N. TROOPS FACE GRAVE RISKS IN LEBANON




http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Security&loid=8.0.387548608&par=0



Beirut, 19 Feb. (AKI) - The security situation in southern Lebanon is worsening and United Nations peacekeeping forces are in danger of becoming embroiled in any outbreak of violence, according to the joint chief of an Italian parliamentary delegation which is visiting the country. "The situation for UNIFIL (the UN force) is becoming ever more worrying," delegation head Sergio De Gregorio told Adnkronos International (AKI) in an interview. "The Italian contingent faces grave risks," he added.



"UNIFIL's seizure of an arms cache last week showed that the [peacekeeping troops] are not just there to look on and that it has an active role in disarming Hezbollah militants in accordance with UN Security Council resolution 1701," De Gregorio who heads the defence commission of Italy's upper house of parliament, the Senate, told AKI.



"But there are also the threats made against the international contingent by groups linked to al-Qaeda who have an interest in provoking [violent] incidents," he said.

De Gregorio also warned against "underestimating" what he described as "veiled threats" made by Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah.



The delegation paid a visit Sunday to the Italian contingent of the UN Interim Forces in Lebanon (UNIFIL) at its headquarters in the southern Lebanese town of Tibnin. De Gergorio and the head of the Italian Senate's foreign affairs committee, Lamberto Dini, met with the commander of the Italian toops, General Paolo Gerometta



Speaking to reporters in Naqoura, Dini said he had no information on the presence of an al-Qaeda cell in Lebanon, but hoped the mission of the peacekeepers in the South "continues to run as smoothly and calmly."



Lebanese defence minister Elias Murr has said there are "intelligence reports" of a possible al-Qaeda threat against UNIFIL.



(Rah/Aki)


Feb-19-07 12:29




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Anonymous
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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

February 22 2007, 2:13 AM 

whats the difference between the lebanese and the italians? they look the same LOL.

 
 

Mario
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The Roman Legions (Italy)

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

February 22 2007, 7:39 PM 

@djubats

it needs simply they all convert to RC christianism

would you iranians do the same ?


Sara Tommasi

 
 
Anonymous
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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

February 23 2007, 12:16 AM 

What are you talking about?
Lebanese are muslims. And religion has nothing to do with this,bosnians are muslims and they're whiter and blonder then average italians. Thats what i've seen.

 
 

Mario
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The Roman Legions (Italy)

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

February 23 2007, 4:45 PM 

@djubat

you asked whatìs the difference between italians and lebanese

I replyed it is only in religion and consequently suggested they all could convert to RC so removing any differences



Bianca Guaccero - 25 years old - from Bitonto. Bari, Apulia

 
 

(Login Djubats)

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

February 23 2007, 5:08 PM 

Oh yeah your right ,sorry.
But it's cool what the italians are doing. They seem very friendly.
And heck i like pizza and spaghetti. Infact i love the italians

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Mario
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The Roman Legions (Italy)

Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

February 24 2007, 11:16 PM 

"italiani brava gente" or italians are good fellows is a national stereotype

consequently politicians want italian troops act consequently and it is largely probable - aka sure - most of the troops believe in that too




Bianca Guaccero - 25 years old - from Bitonto. Bari, Apulia

 
 

Mario
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Re: ITALY - LEBANON: OPERATION "LEONTE" - NEWS

April 9 2007, 9:11 AM 

Ban Ki-moon visits Italian contingent in Lebanon




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