Quote:Has there been any US made fighters shot down by a mig 29 or a SU
The answer "NO", not because its an inferior fighter.
Its the Air forces and sucky pilots that flew them against the current inventory of US aircraft.
Plus most of the air to air fights end with neither aircraft seeing each other thanks to BVR.
You can look back to the Mig-25 which has downed an f-18 and intercepted f-14s and f-15s to estimate what the Mig-29 could do if it had good pilots. The Syrian Mig-23s have shot down several f-16s and a couple of f-15s. None the less, most of these encounters are very biased and dont give credit to these aircraft.
Granted they were f-16a, as for f-15s they had to use the R-60s. There was also the incident with the f-15D which got clipped by the R-60 from a Mig-21.
>>>>soviet forces during the Afghan war downed F-16's, though I would say it isnt clear what jets downed them <<<<
if you are talking about Pakistani F-16s.. then it was an Own goal. The F-16 was shot down by another PAF F-16 by mistake.
Also dont know what this counts for but during the Kargil War A Mig-29 Had a Lock on an F-16 (2 Seperate Instances) and the F-16s couldnt shake the lock.however the Pilots didnt get the authorization to Engage as it would have escalated the Conflict.Following this no PAF planes flew close to the LOC and only patrolled the international border.
This has been validated by ACIG.org and an Ex PAF Pilot on Defencejournal.com and F-16.net
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This message has been edited by Dienekis on Jan 15, 2008 1:40 PM
you seriously believe Pakistani sources that they downed their own jet? This is the problem with ACIG, here you have a NYTimes article quoting Pakistani sources from that very time admitting they lost a jet and admitting a shootdown (or an attack on the jets) but ACIG goes and believes some Pakistani source from the 1990's saying otherwise. Which do you think is a more credible account? ACIG also says there were only 4 Soviet aircraft up that day but here you have a NYT's article quoting Pakistani sources saying there were 6! ACIG quite honestly makes up a ton of its history.
you seriously believe Pakistani sources that they downed their own jet?*******
RE: err...no
in the article "exploding a myth" docmented the same fact.. it was an own goal
no offence Russian AF pilots are no match for PAF elites and certain no mig29 was ever deployed in afganistan. even if they did they would have thier arse wooped. final score was something like 10 zero of all types (PAF favour)
Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia
Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.
lol! Link to this article please. I think the NYTimes is a more credible source than some article you cant link to and some garbage website like ACIG. Plus, the NYTimes article is quoting Pakistani sources! If the Pakistanis are such wonderful pilots why were all their kills against CAS jets like th Su-22 and 25 and light tranpsorts? They never downed a Tu-22 or any serious asset and Soviet bombing runs inside Pakistan killed some 10,000 civilians and continued effectively with impunity for the entire war.
And actually MiG-29's were deployed in Afghanistan as even ACIG admits, but only at the end of the war.
This message has been edited by irkut on Jan 24, 2008 5:23 PM
>>Russian AF pilots are no match for PAF elites <<<
Prado.. dont get so worked up.. the PAF F-16s only shot down Strike Fighters of the Soviet AF. Those fighters had little or no self defense against F-16s..Its like Sending a Mirage to fight a Jaguar..
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yes and the 40 f-16s delivered created such a sir in india that india responsed to "panic" buying of Mirage 2000 and Mig-29 to counter PAF f-16s..
like i said they would have got toasted any way.. i read the comment of PAF pilots who shot down soviet jet " they intially flew like bafoons" AFM had the article on it some guy from PAkdef. up loaded the article
also in the india today 1987 article "exploding a myth" the following was documented also, Pentagon experts describe PAF pilots as "some of the best in the world next only to the israelis"
i try and find the article and scan it up it always shuts up PAF sceptics...
Pakistan Airforce: The largest distributor of Indian airforce parts in Asia
Pathankot Strike
8 F-86Fs of No 19 Squadron led by Squadron Leader Sajjad Haider struck Pathankot airfield. With carefully positioned dives and selecting each individual aircraft in their protected pens for their strafing attacks, the strike elements completed a textbook operation against Pathankot. Wing Commander M G Tawab, flying one of the two Sabres as tied escorts overhead, counted 14 wrecks burning on the airfield. Among the aircraft destroyed on the ground were nearly all of the IAFs Soviet-supplied Mig-21s till then received, none of which were seen again during the War.
According to the Serbs and the Russians Yugoslavians Mig-29 succeed 6 verified victories in air-to-air combats over NATO aircrafts(4 F-16s,1 F-15,1 F-117) at Kossovo war with two more possibles.
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