http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/world/europe/25kosovo.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin

By DAN BILEFSKY
Published: March 25, 2008

BRUSSELS — Serbia on Monday formally proposed dividing newly independent Kosovo along ethnic lines, a move that was immediately rebuffed by Kosovo’s ethnic Albanian leadership in Pristina.

The proposal, submitted to the United Nations, is the culmination of a campaign by Serbia to entrench its political and administrative control over the northern part of Kosovo, which has a Serbian majority. Analysts said it was a largely symbolic gesture. Kosovo’s leaders have said they will not accept partition, and European countries and the United States would reject such a proposal at the United Nations Security Council.

“This proposal is a provocation from Belgrade, and we reject it 100 percent,” Kosovo’s deputy prime minister, Hajredin Kuqi, said in a telephone interview from Pristina. “We want to help create cooperation between Serbs and Albanians in Kosovo — not divisions.”

Kosovo, which declared independence from Serbia on Feb. 17, was placed under United Nations administration in 1999, after NATO intervened to halt repression of the ethnic Albanians, who make up 95 percent of Kosovo’s population, by Slobodan Milosevic, then the Serbian leader.

Serbia regards Kosovo as its medieval heartland and rejects its independence, contending that the declaration was a breach of international law.

The proposal, which United Nations officials said they were reviewing, was submitted to coincide with the ninth anniversary of the NATO bombing of Serbia. The document acknowledges United Nations jurisdiction over Kosovo, The Associated Press reported, but calls for the Serbian majority to take charge of border customs, judiciary and police services in the northern part of Kosovo, which accounts for 15 percent of Kosovo’s territory.

Serbia’s effort to assert control over northern Kosovo has contributed to violent confrontations in recent weeks, including a clash on March 17 in which peacekeepers seized a courthouse in the northern city of Mitrovica that was being occupied by Serbian protesters. A United Nations police officer was killed and dozens of others injured in the fighting.

Serbs have burned customs and border posts and taken over rail lines.

The government in Belgrade has also sought to strengthen parallel institutional structures governing education and health care in northern Kosovo, and dozens of ethnic Serbs have abandoned Kosovo’s multiethnic police force and pledged their allegiance to Serbia.

Many Western analysts and leaders say that Serbia lost its moral and legal right to govern Kosovo after Mr. Milosevic’s campaign against the territory’s ethnic Albanians.

But Prime Minister Vojislav Kostunica of Serbia said the NATO bombing in response had been part of an attempt by the alliance to take control of Kosovo. “Now it is more than clear that the merciless destruction of Serbia in the NATO bombing had only one goal, and that is to turn Kosovo into the first NATO state in the world,” Mr. Kostunica said in a statement on Monday.

that would be just fair








Sabrina Ferilli

First the 100.000-150.000 Serbian refugees must return to Kosovo then to the partition.

what do you mean ?

seriously the only part of Serbian areas can join Serbia proper is north of Mitrovica

the rest are islands surrounded by Albanians (and protected by italian military)

and BTW

it is not only serbs who were forced away but all non-albanians

before the american invasion and ethnic cleansing the population was 79% albanian, 10-12 serb and the rest others

the albanian claim to be 90% was an usual albanian lie at that time






Samantha De Grenet

My point is that all refugees must return to Kosovo and then decide the type of
partition.There is a difference between 5% and 12 % of Serbs.

It was the only thing that can be done now short of a world war... Bloody mess and shame on the international community.

Western Europe deserve to be over run with minorities that don't integrate, to hell with their hypocrisy and cowardice in front of America.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

I believe eventually that will be the only solution otherwise it has chances of triggering a new conflict in the Balkans

****ing hypocrites first they want to seccede from and leave Serbia based on ethnic dominance but at the same time the refuse the serb dominated parts of joining Serbia as the obvious solution that I and many others proposed from the start



The Federal Reserve Scam!

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Only viable solution. And break up Bosnia and FYROM while they're at it.



Would you trust this man"

Kosova will stay united because that is what the US wants.

However when Serbs speaking of taking northern Kosova, the Albanians speaking of taking the mainly Albanian areas of Preseva in southern Serbia which is still part of Serbia.

Kosova was a unitary administrative entity which enjoyed autonomy and semi-republic status in Yugoslavia. However Milosevic unfairly stripped it of autonomy in the 1980s. Any fair solution to the Kosova issue especially bearing in mind there are about 4-6 times more people in Kosova than in Montenegro is that.

1. At the very least the 2-3 million Kosovars should have enjoyed autonomy seeing that the half a million or so Montenegrins had full republic status.

2. Kosova should have had full republic status after 1999 just like Montenegro.

3. Kosova should have become independent.

For 2-3 million Albanians to be under the centralized rule of Belgrade would have been unfair and impractical. The Bosnian Serbs did not want to live in a multi-ethnic Bosnia and ethnically cleansed Croats and Bosniaks and created their own ethnically pure republic and if they did not have to live under the central rule of Sarajevo there was/is even less reason for Albanians to have lived under Belgrade's control.

I doubt any of the Albanian-haters on this forum would be able to provide a sensible or feasible solution to the Kosova issue and there is no doubt that their racist hatred of Albanians who some of them call "coakroaches" (sounds very Hitler-esque) would make them favour the genocide or mass ethnic cleansing of Albanians. Anyway too bad, Kosova is independent.

population of kossovo is near 1.7-1.9 million not 2.1 nor 3.........
it would have been 2.1 if the 300 000 serbs that they left kossovo remained and the 200 -300 000 albanians havent immigrated abroad..
in the partition of kossovo is only fair to be included the serb muslim gorani..

A while back I stated that the best solution , given this fked up situation with the U.S. backing a completely unjust situation, would be partition. This never happened. But this is still the only way to ensure peace. The Serbs IMO should get the entire Mitrovica region. A system of cantons will not work in Kosovo. So the Serbs in other enclaves around the region would have to leave and come to live in south Mitrovica. The Albanians who live in the south of Mitrovica would have to leave and and be dispersed in the ex-Serb enclaves. This is fair for all parties.



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

200,000 Albanians in Presheva...
mmm
Serbs aint getting sh!t...
There is a higher possibility of losing more...They arent finished yet...Vojvodina, Sandjak and Presheva are next...then they can worry about 40,000 Serbs in Mitrovica...


History of the Greek revolution By Thomas Gordon.
An Historical Sketch of the Greek Revolution By Samuel Gridley Howe
The decendants of the Albanians all Speak Albanian; though in Huydra and Spetzia there is probably not a man who doe not speak Greek, perfectly well, and who learned it from his boyhood,yet they speak Albanian with one another. And very many of the women DO NOT KNOW A WORD IN GREEK.

http://books.google.com/books?id=G204AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA220&dq=albanians+in+greek+revolution&ei=7fnoR7LeHoT6yAT0lZzYCQ

Nicholas Hammond tells us that in the Greek War of Independence the Albanians,
above all, drove the Turks out.

http://books.google.com/books?id=IxcbFC-0cPwC&pg=PA90&dq=albanians+in+greek+revolution&lr=&ei=_fvoR6qUJYzcygTM9tDfCQ&sig=GRVhAqOGEgjEUMLRuaFwyFk-cIA

The Ottoman Power in Europe: Its Nature, Its Growth, and Its Decline - Page 177
by Edward Augustus Freeman - Eastern question (Balkan) - 1877
Such were the people of Souli, Christian Albanians who were never fully subdued till 1803.
This was not a conquest of christians by Turks. It was in truth a conquest of Albanians by Albanians.

The Baptist Missionary Magazine - Page 305
by Executive Committee, Baptist General Convention, American Baptist Missionary Union, Board of Managers - Baptists - 1837

http://books.google.com/books?id=SgQPAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA305&dq=albanians+in+greek+revolution&lr=&ei=Xf3oR--fOYXEyQSXxYx3

The Mahometan Albanians joined the Turks, while the Christians especially the Klephts and Armatoles (in particular the Suliots)living in the SOuthern Mountains joined the Greeks...

http://books.google.com/books?id=ULFLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA226&dq=albanians+in+greek+revolution&lr=&ei=Xf3oR--fOYXEyQSXxYx3

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@Illiria

Sangiaccato is not a problem for Serbia

the majority is serb and the bosniak community lives south at the border with Kosovo

and no sane minded slav would like to have anything in common with albanians less of all the same country

or have you forgotten albanian kosovars have ethnic cleansed every non albanian from Kosovo muslim slavs, turks and gypsies enclosed ?


Vittoria and Elena Puccini

Vittoria Puccini, born in Florence on november 18th 1981

KOSOVO: MITROVICA SERBS CALL FOR BREAKING TIES WITH ALBANIA

(ANSAmed) - BELGRADE, MARCH 25 - A new protest rally against the secession of Kosovo from Belgrade organised in northern Mitrovica, the heart of the main Serbian stronghold in the former province and last week scene of bloody clashes between protesters and international intervention forces, today ended peacefully. Several thousand people took part in the demonstration, addressed by a local leader who called on Serbia to break any ties with Tirana, following the recent information concerning the existence on Albanian territory of mass graves of Kosovo Serbian prisoners dating back to the 1999 war. The participants shouted slogans against the unilateral independence declared by Pristina on February 17 and against the international police of UNMIK and the NATO-led military contingent KFOR, accused of suppressing last Monday's demonstration. Dozens of KFOR troops, including Italian units, watched the crowd. Milan Ivanovic, radical leader of the Serbian community in Kosovska Mitrovica, addressed the authorities in Belgrade urging them to be more determined and not hesitate to keep armed forces ready to protect the Serbians in Kosovo from "new aggression". Ivanovic called for economic boycott on the part of Serbia of Slovenia and Croatia - the first former Yugoslav republics to recognise Kosovňs secession - and for breaking ties with Albania: a target of fiery polemic in Serbia after the sensational revelations contained in a book by Carla Del Ponte, former Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), concerning the alleged transfer in the end of the 1990s of hundreds of Serbian prisoners, captured by the then Kosovo guerrillas of UCK and held in Albanian camps, who were used as human reservoirs in an infamous organ trafficking. (ANSAmed).
2008-03-25 18:50


http://www.ansamed.info/en/news/ME01.@AM18495.html


Giorgia Palmas

@pakistani dude Saif ul Azam (Sword of Greatness)

"Kosova will stay united because that is what the US wants"

yankees annoy the whole world

GWB and neocons even more






BTW other non albanian comnunities of Kosovo are also the Janjevci (slav catholics)

Before 1991, there were 8,062 Janjevci in Kosovo. In 1998 about 1,300 remained. After the Kosovo War, in Janjevo itself only around 350 remained, the rest fled mostly to Croatia.


FREEDOM FOR MUSLIM GORANIS FROM THE ALBANIAN OPPRESSION

The UN administration in Kosovo, UNMIK, has redrawn internal boundaries in the province in such a way that a Gorani-majority municipality no longer exists. The Gora was combined with the neighbouring Albanian-populated region of Opolje (some 20,000 people) into a new subdivision named Dragaš, which now has an Albanian majority.




In 1999 after the NATO bombing campaign on FRY, the UNMIK took over international administration of the Serbian province of Kosovo. Their own municipality was redrawn and Dragaš established, in which now Albanians are in majority. The Gora has received migrations of Albanians from Albania, and reports of killings and mistreatment of the Gorani by Albanian paramilitaries were subsequently recorded. In 2007 the Kosovar provisional institutions opened a school in Gora that teaches Bosnian language, an act which sparked a lot of anger amongst the Gorani population, added by the fact that the Principle declares as an Albanian. Many Gorans refuse to send their children to school for threats of assimilation and self-initially founded home schools for their young. In 1999 and over the years altogether, over 6,500 Gorans have fled to Serbia proper along with many Serb and Romany refugees.

Notable Gorani
Fahrudin Jusufi, football player
Miralem Sulejmani, football player
Emran Topolec, basketball player


Ines Nobili, 35 years from Rome, actress

A country wit no economy, no military, no industrial infrastructure cannot expect to survive. More so in the Balkans. Kosovo is independent in name only, they got nothing for themselves.


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Lachit Barphukan- The brave Ahom general that repelled the Mughal invaders and protected Assamese integrity.

Kanaklata- The brave soul, who was martyred at the age of 16, in the Indian freedom movement.

JAI AAI ASSAM; HAIL MOTHER ASSAM!!!

^^^
KOSOVA is 1000% worth and 1000% better than Ch!thole called east timor,if ch!thole like that got their's independence why KOSOVA not..

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East Timor was raped heavily by the Indonesians who made that place into that '****hole'. People think Kosovo got 'genocided'? Yeah, wait to you see what those Indonesian midgets did in East Timor, bunch of animals.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

soooo phuken true!!
those indons are lucky my unit got held back,when australia intervened
we had it big time for those bullies,in my platoon an oath was taken
"no mercy"
"no prisoners"
"no limit"

East Timor as of now is a recognised country. The Aussies lookin up after their defence i guess.

But more importantly East Timor doesnt have Serbs runnin amok n threatening the country with sectarian violence. The Timorese ppl r poor, but atleast they have sumthing to call unity.

The Kosovovs folk have the Serbs, they r situated in the Balkans- politically unstable, plus they made a big mistake of pissing of the Russians.

Kosovo n the Balkans like i said before is just a game of chess between the big players, Russia n US. Their existence hardly matters to anybody.


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Lachit Barphukan- The brave Ahom general that repelled the Mughal invaders and protected Assamese integrity.

Kanaklata- The brave soul, who was martyred at the age of 16, in the Indian freedom movement.

JAI AAI ASSAM; HAIL MOTHER ASSAM!!!

the problem with east timor is that the u.n didnt promote a further disntagration of indonisia, a state only in name,since no indonesian nationality exist.
along east timor west timor, bali,papua malukas partly and islands around timor that dont have anything indonesian in them should have been liberated by a regime that chain all those non muslim nations by the force of arms not so long ago,...
and that doesn't stop with the 20 million non muslim nations of Indonesia but should go for further more muslim nations that are occupied by pancila sumatra fascists..

The Serbs made a mistake to piss of the Albanians...
We lobbied for 30 years in USA and sent our ally USA bomb the heck out of them...

That region is an Albanian Lake... Kosova presheva montenegro macedonia greece...
Time is running in our favor...

History of the Greek revolution By Thomas Gordon.
An Historical Sketch of the Greek Revolution By Samuel Gridley Howe
The decendants of the Albanians all Speak Albanian; though in Huydra and Spetzia there is probably not a man who doe not speak Greek, perfectly well, and who learned it from his boyhood,yet they speak Albanian with one another. And very many of the women DO NOT KNOW A WORD IN GREEK.

http://books.google.com/books?id=G204AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA220&dq=albanians+in+greek+revolution&ei=7fnoR7LeHoT6yAT0lZzYCQ

Nicholas Hammond tells us that in the Greek War of Independence the Albanians,
above all, drove the Turks out.

http://books.google.com/books?id=IxcbFC-0cPwC&pg=PA90&dq=albanians+in+greek+revolution&lr=&ei=_fvoR6qUJYzcygTM9tDfCQ&sig=GRVhAqOGEgjEUMLRuaFwyFk-cIA

The Ottoman Power in Europe: Its Nature, Its Growth, and Its Decline - Page 177
by Edward Augustus Freeman - Eastern question (Balkan) - 1877
Such were the people of Souli, Christian Albanians who were never fully subdued till 1803.
This was not a conquest of christians by Turks. It was in truth a conquest of Albanians by Albanians.

The Baptist Missionary Magazine - Page 305
by Executive Committee, Baptist General Convention, American Baptist Missionary Union, Board of Managers - Baptists - 1837

http://books.google.com/books?id=SgQPAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA305&dq=albanians+in+greek+revolution&lr=&ei=Xf3oR--fOYXEyQSXxYx3

The Mahometan Albanians joined the Turks, while the Christians especially the Klephts and Armatoles (in particular the Suliots)living in the SOuthern Mountains joined the Greeks...

http://books.google.com/books?id=ULFLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA226&dq=albanians+in+greek+revolution&lr=&ei=Xf3oR--fOYXEyQSXxYx3

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The Real NAZIS.

For more visit
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Quote: That region is an Albanian Lake... Kosova presheva montenegro macedonia greece... Time is running in our favor...

ROFLMAO the cockroach`s getting cocky!Greek lobby in USA is way stronger than
your pothetic lobby.

listening to illiranius one would think that albania is israel..

@ drunkenpolish

Quote: East Timor was raped heavily by the Indonesians who made that place into that '****hole'. People think Kosovo got 'genocided'? Yeah, wait to you see what those Indonesian midgets did in East Timor, bunch of animals.

The portugis who raped that place into chithole,then we rebuilt it make this place better with school,hospital etc,but since these filthy animal so ungratefull we had right to burn it to asshes, it built with our money afterall..

@ Aietus

Quote: soooo phuken true!! those indons are lucky my unit got held back,when australia intervened we had it big time for those bullies,in my platoon an oath was taken "no mercy" "no prisoners" "no limit"

u forget one thing
"no brain"

just bring it on kangoroo..


@ Free-nation

Quote: The Timorese ppl r poor, but atleast they have sumthing to call unity.

LOL!!!..timorese and unity, yeah right!!!...u didnt watch news often then, too much porn I guess, these filthy animal just trying killing theirs leaders recently,

actually thats the reason why we coming to that chithole first time, after Portugis leaving that place they starting killing eachother, between comunist,nationalist,westernist etc..
we just coming to save their's A$$,reluctantly,bcoz USA who told us to do that

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@Pancasila

Quote

u forget one thing
"no brain"

just bring it on kangoroo..

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the ones with no brains,are your own offices and men
in 1995 indonesia particpated in K-95,our tri annual
major excercises.your elite kompasus was so bad,we spent 2 weeks
re training them on the basic fundamentals of parachuting,lucky
for their safety we decided to check their abilities before hand.
regrettably i was part of the team assembled to assist them
this took place at holsworthy with 3RAR.
the indonesian troops were fit and well disciplined,but lacked
training and the individual initiative possesed by our diggers.

as for bringing it on BARBARROSA,we could quite easily bomb you clowns
into he stone age,i truely doubt that you are aware of australias
firepower/brainpower abilities.

^^^
BS!!! as usual whitey does to another race, just came'in we will make Vietnamized ur troops

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wow,what a remarkably intelligent replY that was!!

just one question for you

DO YOU APPROVE OF JAKARTAS INVASION OF EAST TIMOR AND THE WAY
THE TIMORESE WERE BRUTALLY TREATED BY THE INDONESIAN MILITARY??

P.S,you need to differentiate between my dislike
of indonesias military and against indonesian civilians.
i have nothing against any peaceful nation /society
but i have a strong dislike against any military that is repressive of human righs ,particulary against the weak.

We lobbied for 30 years in USA and sent our ally USA bomb the heck out of them...

Wow!!! It took u 30 freakin years to get the US to act. How many generations took part in the lobbyin process?

U dont lobby for 30 years, u get down on ur knees n beg for 30 years. Either out of pity or the sheer annoyance of ur whimperin the US acts. Lobbyin , BAAH!! Its only the Israeli's who lobby the US. Not ur ppl Illiria or watever.


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Lachit Barphukan- The brave Ahom general that repelled the Mughal invaders and protected Assamese integrity.

Kanaklata- The brave soul, who was martyred at the age of 16, in the Indian freedom movement.

JAI AAI ASSAM; HAIL MOTHER ASSAM!!!

The portugis who raped that place into chithole,then we rebuilt it make this place better with school,hospital etc,but since these filthy animal so ungratefull we had right to burn it to asshes, it built with our money afterall..

Are you actually kidding me? The Portuguese built the cities that stood there (granted past abuse, but the Indonesians were no liberators). The Indonesians cost the East Timorese 200,000 people over 30 years... they were oppressed, tortured, leveled entire villages and towns.
They were ungrateful? Ungrateful for forceful annexation, invasion from an aggressive country that had no right on Timorese land? You bitch about the US invasion of Iraq and try and defend Indonesia on what it did in East Timor?

Where did Indonesia get it's money? The US and Australia. You built nothing. You are not builders you are colonisers and a virus spreading to none Malay Muslim Islands. Indonesia takes millions in aid from the Australians... don't you forget that.

we just coming to save their's A$$,reluctantly,bcoz USA who told us to do that

This shows the total propaganda filled ignorance on the issue. The Indonesians lied and told the US and Australia the FRETLINs were Communist. They lied because they knew East Timor had resources and Australia shamefully did not argue, it would get the resources too (so that Australia wouldn't lobby against Indonesia).

Indonesia was brutal and disgusting. They did nothing for East Timor but rape it. I'm glad Australians are there now keeping the peace.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

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that's what u read from newspaper rit..ok blive what u want, Portugis is the one who ruined this place leaving this place into hells, and these timoreses theyself are not angel,u wouldnt want them as ur enemy, when East Timor still our Province, mostly thugs and criminalist in Jakarta amd another big city in Indonesia coming from ET they always carrying sharp object and no problem using it to another ppls

200.000 my @ss just look at number of their populations bfore invation in 70's and after in 90's their's number tripled

'btw like majority Indonesians bfore,when, and after invation, Im against our troops coming to that's place,







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the population of timur doubles every 18-20 years.
Indonesians massacred 40% of the population on their invasion the worst crime against a nation in recent history.

nappyheadedHO
(Login beryoza)
EXPERT POSTER Re: Serbia Formally Proposes Ethnic Partition of Kosovo March 27 2008, 9:21 PM


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That region is an Albanian Lake... Kosova presheva montenegro macedonia greece...
Time is running in our favor...
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ROFLMAO the cockroach`s getting cocky!Greek lobby in USA is way stronger than
your pothetic lobby.

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Lobbying with Suvlaki aint a ****en Lobby you idiot...
What has your Lobby achieved?
Cyprus? Macedonia?

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Our Lobby turned everything around in Kosova. Today Kosova is Independent and sovereign nation.
In Macedonia and Montenegro the U.S got involved in our favor...

As I said Lobbying is not done with Suvlaki... The friends we have in Senate and Congress You wish you had...They are the most powerful and influential in this country. Our Lobby is not stupid like yours...We made the Jewish Lobby friends here,,,and not enemy...you are jealous people and cant fvcken mind your own bussiness...that is why nobody trusts you and you dont achieve anything no matter how much money they make...
The next President, Mc Cain is the best friend of the Albanians here...

The next President, Mc Cain is the best friend of the Albanians here...

U got a crystal ball to find out if Mc Cain will b next President? What will happen to ppl like Obama n Hillary?


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Lachit Barphukan- The brave Ahom general that repelled the Mughal invaders and protected Assamese integrity.

Kanaklata- The brave soul, who was martyred at the age of 16, in the Indian freedom movement.

JAI AAI ASSAM; HAIL MOTHER ASSAM!!!

that's what u read from newspaper rit

No it is a fact Indonesian troops were vicious animals in Timor. Just because you hide under a rock doesn't change that fact.

200.000 my @ss just look at number of their populations bfore invation in 70's and after in 90's their's number tripled

People don't have kids now? There was about 800,000 in the 70's and 1 million now... Yeah, tripled. Regardless there was no census in that area between the strife with Portugal (and civil war) and the Indonesian occupation.

Portugis is the one who ruined this place leaving this place into hells, and these timoreses theyself are not angel,u wouldnt want them as ur enemy

Who built the factories, grew the coffee farms and the built capital Dili? Get this... not Indonesia. As a matter of fact it is estimated 70% of East Timors infrastructure was destroyed by the Indonesian army... Good work colonisers. No better then European colonisers, except less competent.

Don't want them as your enemy? Well you made them your enemy.


Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

^^^
stop drinking alcohol for a while OK,use ur rational brain still left in ur head, tell me, where the f@ck another country in conflict which theirs number doubled only in 20 years...

and here for u a little bit education about ur Portugis the angel colonialist from Adam Schwarz's book,and u could find about this in alot source not only in his book

"For the Portuguese, East Timor remained little more than a neglected trading post until the late nineteenth century. Investment in infrastructure, health, and education was minimal. Sandalwood remained the main export crop with coffee exports becoming significant in the mid-nineteenth century. In places where Portuguese rule was asserted, it tended to be brutal and exploitative.",

'anyway speaking about genocide, even according to UN freetelin whom are timoreses cockroach comunist killed 6o thousand their own ppl..

this new country is hopeless might be they had alot natural resource but the aussie will steal it anyway,just like Papua new guinea which is had bigger natural resource and slightly larger area than Indonesian's Papua still our papua had beter economic (GDP and PPP )

PS. to illiria sorry ruined ur thread but the bottom line is KOSOVA country had better prospect than this idiot Timorese,

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Quote: PS. to illiria sorry ruined ur thread but the bottom line is KOSOVA country had better prospect than this idiot Timorese,

Um excuse me, I posted this and not Illiria.
More importantly its a WAFF thread so it really does not belong to anyone.

The Indonesian invasion of East Timor began on December 7 1975. Indonesian forces launched a massive air and sea invasion, known as Operasi Seroja, or 'Operation Komodo', almost entirely using US-supplied equipment.[7] Reported death tolls from the 24-year occupation range from 60,000 to 200,000. [8] A detailed statistical report prepared for the Commission for Reception, Truth and Reconciliation in East Timor cited a lower range of 102,800 conflict-related deaths in the period 1974-1999, namely, approximately 18,600 killings and 84,200 'excess' deaths from hunger and illness.[9]

From Wikipedia (yes copy paste that paragraph into Google it appears in Wikipedia), your same source you used. Also from the same source...

In late 1999, about 70% of the economic infrastructure of East Timor was destroyed by Indonesian troops and anti-independence militias, and 260,000 people fled westward. From 2002 to 2005, an international program led by the United Nations, manned by civilian advisers, 5,000 peacekeepers (8,000 at peak) and 1,300 police officers, substantially reconstructed the infrastructure. By mid-2002, all but about 50,000 of the refugees had returned.

There you go, I used the EXACT same source against you... Seems like you need to get your head out your ass.

There you go off calling the FRETLINS communist again when they are NOTHING like communists. You used that lie to invade East Timor for resources... Get over it. You are no better then colonisers and war barons.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

The more fragmented, divided and weakened the Balkans, the better for us.

Within a century, the Danube might become a borderline for Turkey again.

Even if it were possible, I don't think turkey would even want that. Turkey in that case would become the new policeman in that area. A very unenviable task.



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

'let see..

Quote: Reported death tolls from the 24-year occupation range from 60,000 to 200,000.

LOL! even those reports not so sure about that appearently, while from credible source like The UN said that Fretilin has killed at least 60.000 their own, look like they genocided they own ppls, funny LOL!...stupid Suharto why just u let these cockroachs kill each other , damned..

'and whatever u said man Fretilin was a leftist or atleast in 70's it was,u could found it in many source, do u think US that stupid give us a weapon with no reason without any research bfore ???, only some Aussie sources said they arent

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East Timor...Oh East Timor..Its a darn shame how things have turned out. Cakra is right though that the Indonesian Govt did spend a lot of money on integrating ET into Indonesia. Unfortuntely, like Tibet for China, money can't buy you love.

Unfortunately for us, its going to be the same story. ET is going to be a sink hole for Australian tax payers for the next X years.

As for the quality of the TNI troops. Anyone can be a killer. It's much harder being a lover!! Just ask Hercules, former East Timorese born gang leader in South Jakarta.

What if Northern serb dominated Kosovo just declares independence like the kosovo albanians did with the whole of Kosovo ?



The Federal Reserve Scam!

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fretilin was a marxist socialdemocratic national liberastion mouvement , as most of european socialist parties were in the 70s and not communist.
the real shame is tha referedum werent spread all over timur to liberate and the 2 million west timurist people which have no difference from east timurist, and kick start the desolution of the whole indonesian state for liberty and freedom for the 200 distinct nationalities from javan sumatran islamofascists.