Will Europe Resist Islamization?
by Daniel Pipes
Jerusalem Post
April 3, 2008
[JP title: "A movie and a conversion: Europe begins to resist?"]
Some analysts of Islam in Western Europe argue that the continent cannot escape its Eurabian fate; that the trend lines of the past half-century will continue until Muslims become a majority population and Islamic law (the Shari‘a) reigns.
I disagree, arguing that there is another route the continent might take, one of resistance to Islamification and a reassertion of traditional ways. Indigenous Europeans – who make up 95 percent of the population – can insist on their historic customs and mores. Were they to do so, nothing would be in their way and no one could stop them.
Indeed, Europeans are visibly showing signs of impatience with creeping Shari‘a. The legislation in France that prohibits hijabs from public school classrooms signals the reluctance to accept Islamic ways, as are related efforts to ban burqas, mosques, and minarets. Throughout Western Europe, anti-immigrant parties are generally increasing in popularity.
That resistance took a new turn last week, with two dramatic events. First, on March 22, Pope Benedict XVI himself baptized, confirmed, and gave the Eucharist to Magdi Allam, 56, a prominent Egyptian-born Muslim long living in Italy, where he is a top editor at the Corriere della Sera newspaper and a well-known author. Allam took the middle name Cristiano. The ceremony converting him to the Catholic religion could not have been higher profile, occurring at a nighttime service at St. Peter's Basilica on the eve of Easter Sunday, with exhaustive coverage from the Vatican and many other television stations.
Allam followed up his conversion with a stinging statement in which he argued that beyond "the phenomenon of Islamic extremism and terrorism that has appeared on a global level, the root of evil is inherent in an Islam that is physiologically violent and historically conflictive." In other words, the problem is not just Islamism but Islam itself. One commentator, "Spengler" of Asia Times, goes so far as to say that Allam "presents an existential threat to Muslim life" because he "agrees with his former co-religionists in repudiating the degraded culture of the modern West, and offers them something quite different: a religion founded upon love."
Second, on March 27, Geert Wilders, 44, released his long-awaited, 15-minute film, Fitna, which consists of some of the most bellicose verses of the Koran, followed by actions in accord with those verses carried out by Islamists in recent years. The obvious implication is that Islamists are simply acting in accord with their scriptures. In Allam's words, Wilders also argues that "the root of evil is inherent" in Islam.
Unlike Allam and Wilders, I do distinguish between Islam and Islamism, but I believe it imperative that their ideas get a fair hearing, without vituperation or punishment. An honest debate over Islam must take place.
If Allam's conversion was a surprise and Wilders' film had a three-month run-up, in both cases, the aggressive, violent reactions that met prior criticisms of Islam did not take place. According to the Los Angeles Times, the Dutch police contacted imams to gauge reactions at the city's mosques and found, according to police spokesman Arnold Aben, "it's quieter than usual here today. Sort of like a holiday." In Pakistan, a rally against the film attracted only some dozens of protestors.
This relatively constrained reaction points to the fact that Muslim threats sufficed to enforce censorship. Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende denounced Fitna and, after 3.6 million visitors had viewed it on the British website LiveLeak.com, the company announced that "Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, … Liveleak has been left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers." (Two days later, however, LiveLeak again posted the film.)
Three similarities bear noting: both Allam (author of a book titled Viva Israele) and Wilders (whose film emphasizes Muslim violence against Jews) stand up for Israel and the Jews; Muslim threats against their lives have forced both for years to live under state-provided round-the-clock police protection; and, more profoundly, the two share a passion for European civilization.
Indeed, Allam and Wilders may represent the vanguard of a Christian/liberal reassertion of European values. It is too soon to predict, but these staunch individuals could provide a crucial boost for those intent on maintaining the continent's historic identity.
Mr. Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, is the Taube/Diller Distinguished Visiting Fellow at the Hoover Institution of Stanford University during the spring semester.
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
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Thanks for posting. I seize the opportunity to say that I read with interest every single article you post in this forum.
I really hope Europe resists islamization. Without wanting to hurt anybodys feelings, CIA reports that two european countries are already beyond repair in that aspect: Holland and France. A profound social and ethnic mutation is already happening since more than 20 years ago. I hope they are wrong, but there are many sources that confirm just that.
I really believe we are reaching an end of a cicle, in which the majority of western european countries cannot mantain the open doors to emmigration. Simply there are no more jobs even to local people, and the social security system that attracts emmigrants and asylum seekers is about to collapse. As the phenomenon seems to grow, the more the necessity to close doors. Capitalism needs more people to replace an aging population, but many citizens are clearly seeing that Europe has to choose if it's the traditional motherland of christian caucassian civilizations or a new space where all mix. Actually that is an interesting point, as islamists don't seem to mix nor care to learn the language most of the time.
Older people like my granny often ask why have we fought islam for so many centuries and now we let them in, pay them rent and asylum, then they threat us, complain about crucifixes in schools and TVs and build their own mosques, preaching that islam is only peaceful, while in their "moderate" communities they harbour fanatic cells, onlu interested in destroying the cultures which welcomed them.
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If it ever got to such a bad point you would see Europeans rise up in another bloody civil war that would wipe 'us' or 'them' out (most likely 'them'). Europeans by nature are extremely aggressive and territorial, brutal even. This lapse in the last few decades is the result of the bloodiest war ever fought in human history (which shocked even the Europeans), Europeans are pretending to be something they are not. However, this mainly means Wetsern Europeans who have such a glorious past in this regard.
I doubt Europe will fall to Islamic teachings, but hey even if they do it's only Western Europes fates, Eastern Europe will be 'European' for years to come.
Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
I've never been one for the whole "Eurabia" scenario, Turk's in Germany suddenly finding they love the Arab's in France never mind the Kurd's?!, or the Indonesian's in the Netherland's, and why would Bangladeshi muslims in the UK side with the Arab's of France who frankly in the ME treat them like ****/servent's.....and then we get onto Shia Vs Sunni......too much fracture in my opinion for any sort of vast Muslim conspiracy
Any way, we could probably count on the Polish to save our bacon (pardon me that one) again if it ever came to it
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Re: Will Europe Resist Islamization?
April 5 2008, 10:41 AM
Well guys what most muselmen dont like to see is that they are already lost to the western civilization. Western culture has penetrated all their countries and is spreading now even to mekka.
There will be no chance to escape. And in many cases you will see the muselmen to become even more perverted than us, when it comes to the negative aspects of our culture. One day we will see an arab gay party on the black mekka stone, its just a question of time......
Don't worry, Ireland is the least colonisable peace of land for Muslims. Everyone Drinks, Drinks some more, fights and idolise leprechauns (and beer).
Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
The european population is declining, the thread should be named as below:
''Will Europe Resist Turkism ot Turkisation'', now it's up to the Europeans to decide, will they permitt off brown latinos and north africans or off-white Turks!?
good luck, but all i have to say is the European population is declining and they need people!
Is it going to be the:
Turks/Kurds
Latinos
North Africans
This is what happens when PKK rebels run away from cobra helicopterS!
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Louis Without wanting to hurt anybodys feelings, CIA reports that two european countries are already beyond repair in that aspect: Holland and France.
can we have a look on the CIA report ?
what I see me is that the French Muslim are the most advanced of the world, never there was any ask for sharia, the head scarf in school is implemented without problem, if there was some little demonstrations against the Danish carricatures, they were peacefull, and this despite France is probably the country in the world where those carricatures were the most widely published, the FRench Arabs are the most secular of Europe, I have to find the poll, but they are also the one that are by far the most loyal to there country, and so on.
There is a lot of problems ok, but I think we already started to fix them long aago when other Europeans are just starting to realize there is a problem.
For a start, our assimilationist model, even if it was questionned and way too relaxly implemented those last decades, is much superior than the integrationist and multicultural model, specially since we started to tight the screws. It takes time, this can only takes time, it's a generation long process, but we certainly have NO lesson to recieve from anybody on that matter.
Except when they are fliping cars and burning your suburbs?
I noticed you still call them French Arabs rather then just French. Try as you might, they will always be French Arabs not French. When your society eliminates the sub race/cultural distinction then you'll know you've assimulated them.
Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
Rzecz Except when they are fliping cars and burning your suburbs?
please explain what it have to do with Islam
I noticed you still call them French Arabs rather then just French. Try as you might, they will always be French Arabs not French. When your society eliminates the sub race/cultural distinction then you'll know you've assimulated them.
I could hardly have said "the French Muslims are atheists" .. could I ?
Race distinctions are NOT french tradition, there is more racism now than ever even if the level of racism is probably one of the lowest in the world.
As far as cultural distinctions, not only I don't deny them but I assume them, they are the only one relevant. Cultural distinctions would disapear when the immigrant's culture would have disapeared. period. or rather when some part of it would have been adopted in the French culture while the difference that would remain between "native" french and immigrant's sons would be like the differences between say a french from Marseilles and a french from Lyon.
The process is at work and much more advanced than one think. The only thing that is worrying is not the level of cultural/blood mixing but how it progress. There is no hurry, it doesn't need to be fast. It's just that it need to always go in right direction and those last years it seems there was some sign of regression. I blame the socialist/multiculturalists for that as well as the Muslim extremist clergy. For the socialist/multiculturalists I think the problem is going to be solved, as for the retarded clergy, they should be harrassed with all the legal mean possible (or even illegal means if needed, that's a case of national interest where the "raison d'état" can apply)
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@Rzecz
You're right, it won't take long for another crystal night to happen in Western Europe..
Europeans are fed up with all the problems the arab population brings while they have very few positive things to offer Europe. This month the public transport in Belgium has already striked trice because there were incidents with immigrant youth on busses mainly in Brussels.
2 weeks ago I saw how an Arab kid threw a molotov cocktail on a bus. Ofcourse with another strike as result
@Ultrarep
Why do the french people keep protecting the immigrants inside France?
It's NOT a good thing! I was in Angouleme last year, it's a wonderful city, except there were almost no french citizens left. I felt like a minority.
Ebel8 @Ultrarep
Why do the french people keep protecting the immigrants inside France? It's NOT a good thing!
we should close the door for immigration more tightly that's right. but there isn't much legal immigration since a while. could be better, agree.
still immmigrant's sons aren't immigrants, they are french.
I was in Angouleme last year, it's a wonderful city, except there were almost no french citizens left. I felt like a minority.
If it was in holyday time, sure that all the middle class desert the center of towns to go to vacation.
I don't know Angouleme though.
One might try to give me a hard time for commenting on a topic such as this, but the sole qualification I do offer is that I've lived in Europe for the past two years and have spent time in a few European countries: mainly Germany, and a lesser time in Romania, France, Spain, and Luxembourg. I am visiting Denmark tomorrow before I go back to the States soon.
From that basis, I do see Europe resisting Islamization, especially Western Europe, although Eastern European countries do seem to be easier targets for Muslims. The truth is that most Europeans are far too decadent, well, Western for some crusty religious fanatics to take control. I think that Islam will have a larger presence but I do believe that France will still be the same France we know and love, (completely disagreeable people that do their best to thwart every Anglo-American move )
Europe will be fine.
If Europe does become some sort of caliphate, which it will not, I guess at some point the US would have to re-liberate Europe.. From a different point of view, America's Christian fanatic population might just be the best defense the US has against some drastically foreign religious system that is infinitely more dangerous. Help can come from the strangest places.
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LOOOOL whitesoldier i figured u out, you hav a fetish for muslim men, but CATCH 22 muslim men cant be gay!!! thus it is ur gay 'missiob impossible' to turn muslims gay like urself so that u may forefill ur gay fantasies, well my friend it aint gonna happen, islam survive the crusades, moguls, romans, persian, pagan arabs, colonialism etc etc and this next leap is a little bump in our history of victories...
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Europe curently ISN'T resisting Islamization. European support for Kosovo independence and it's jihadist supporting tendencies and jihadist training camps are just a small hint. Europe will one day be beseiged in all corners by islam, and then the europeans will be asking why it happened. It happened because you LET it happen and in some cases you even supported it.
European Christians are f@gs who need to be wiped out
April 6 2008, 1:12 PM
hahaha
European christians are the worst scumbags to EVER have been created amongst humanity, they're the worst of f@gs in the world, they've caused most trouble in EVERY single part of the world, and they dare ask what trouble some other people, religion etc will bring! what mo)))))))) tripe from sons of h0rny hoe's b!tchy cvnts b@stards anus.;..
hahaha europeans form the biggest homosexuals
they're the ones who NEED TO BE WIPED OUT.
they're the ones who're fanatic about christianity, and don't worry, barring Russia (in this case not considered european), china is rising, most muslim countries are rising, most developing countries are rising, and latin america north america oceania were wiped out entirely by these b@stard ki!ds of wh0res without m0rality the k1nky monkeys....lol those who lived and contineu to live without clothes, without morals, as sons of b!tches with d1ldos up their own mothers' ##es....
i think it was the british, who sure are europeans, who ruled u lol
oh and yes if it wasnt for europe the investments in little backward asia would come from the aliens right?
keep dreaming
and yes, i believe europe will resist an entirely islamization, when some time has passed by we europeans will get the message that we havent any more place for immigrants who only want to get buit dont give smth.....
im talking about the blacksheeps, right, im myself an son of greek immigrants to germany
Damn it, seriously? Awwww man, now I'm gonna have to believe in Alien conspiracy theories instead...
Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
as a muslim , i have to agree and say that Europe get the sh!ttiest / dirtiest / and most tribal mentality immigrants ever.
if there is a person to blame for this blame your own immigration laws and departments.
the worst of our society seeks "assylum" in europe because they claim that they are " religiously oppresses" or "economically oppressed" or " ANY EXCUSE THAT LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER"
and the europeans then say with arms wide open !! ofcourse you are most welcome here!!!
then they say ....
WTF BURQA walking in the middle of london??????
Wtf is that a towel on his head??????
why is he always angry?????
honour killings??? these people are so barbaric and tribal??? [then they mix this into islam rather than realizing that its their retarded immigrants "CULTURE"] (you imported rubbish, what did you expect?? )
and then when explosions occur guess who gets blamed??????? yep islam,
so stop this BS and do some thorough background checks on the people immigrating to ur country.
hosni mubarak has been saying for years to return some "political assylum" from england but the answer was always a NO,
but that changed real fast after the london bombing's didnt it?
Without wanting to hurt anybodys feelings, CIA reports that two european countries are already beyond repair in that aspect: Holland and France.
The CIA has always the worst fate in mind about France. So far, so good
I sincerely hope that the Muslims going to Europe take that continent back to the stone ages - you ingrates deserve to be stripped off all gifts the World has given you...we'll transfer our feudal lords, religious fanatics, bonded labourers, illiterate priests, etc. We might spare Spain as there are latent Mosques and symbols of our divine superiority...God-willing use it as Granada as a city to restore Africa and Asia to their original forms before the swinehords looted them.
We'll liberate those Europeans who wish so...the conceited ones shall wrestle in the mud with their food. Live with your Nazis and Crusaders in eternal pieces while the enlightened world goes forward.
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we will wait until the pressure reaches boiling point; and then it'l be all out war.
No bets necessary as to whose going to win. Hands down. And then when the reclamation is over; terminal colonialism will be back in favour with the mob.
Then it's game over.
I look forward to the day when our governments realize how much cheaper beach front property is in morocco than in spain. (5 bucks per shell * population ?)
Live with your Nazis and Crusaders in eternal pieces while the enlightened world goes forward.
You don't seem to see, Europeans have given up on those ideals and embraced the ideals of humanity, tolerance and multiculturalism only to have it thrown back in their faces. You don't want Europe to concentrate 'Nazi hate' at your world, hence it is in their best interests to not start pushing at it...
Only the East Asians know what war really is... We are the most brutal when it comes to 'civilised barbarity'.
Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
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From a different point of view, America's Christian fanatic population might just be the best defense the US has against some drastically foreign religious system that is infinitely more dangerous. Help can come from the strangest places. 
