Seen it and it was ok i suppose. The battle sequences were pretty good but i'm not sure how accurate they are.
It's based on the battle of 3234 which took place in Afghanistan on January 7th 1988 between Soviet paras and a force that in recent years have been described as "the black storks", a force made up of foreign fighters that are supposed to have been recruited, trained and led by Bin Ladens Al Qaeeda organisation. This part of the story seems to have only come about since 9/11 and i think is a bit suspect.
Before 9/11 i'd also read reports that the force was completely made up of Pakistani SSG members, which seems unlikely in my opinion because of the numbers involved or a mixed force of SSG and Mujahideen, which seems much more likely.
The first time i read about the battle the force opposing the Soviet paras were described as elements of a battalion of Pakistani light infantry. The Soviet paras described their infantry tactics as very good and also said that they heard what they believed were helicopters landing somewhere out of site to pick up Pakistani wounded and transport them to hospital in Pakistan.
Which version is true i don't know but i suspect the mixed force of SSG and Mujahideen or the Pakistani light infantry versions are more likely.
There was a Russian documentary about it, but I dont know how the hell you can say the Soviet force was owned. It was 39 guys versus ~350 Mujahideen, they lost a total of 6 men and sent 95 Mujahideen to their death. It takes balls to hold a position with almost 9x fewer men.
There was a Russian documentary about it, but I dont know how the hell you can say the Soviet force was owned. It was 39 guys versus ~350 Mujahideen, they lost a total of 6 men and sent 95 Mujahideen to their death. It takes balls to hold a position with almost 9x fewer men.
I higly doubt 350 ´mujahideens´would storm on like that(I think its half of that) And i dont know which movie your talking about but only 1 survived out of a whole group.
Even so in this part they were ambushed by 15 ´mujahedins´ tops. And they did a huge damage if you look at it. also these ambushes are nothing new and they are done by a group of usually 10-15. Not only did that happen in Afghanistan in south russia rebels did the same trick and its very affective.
Once American soldiers of 5 killed nearly 100 ´mujahedins´ and lost none of its men. And it was done in the early stages of the afghan war when the ´mujahedins´ were highly mobile. Now thats how you win wars
A better question is what the fvck are you talking about? Your quoting the movie for truth? Im telling you what really happened during the battle which the movie was based on. Only 6 paratroopers were killed, out of 39, picture below shows what Im talking about. There were AT LEAST 300, it could have easily been 400, and 95 never made it off that hill. That movie was not a documentary, it was a movie, take it with a grain of salt. If you somehow think 40 men going up against a force that could have been 10x their size and winning isnt a spectacular military performance than you've got no clue.
in ambushes death tolls usually are way more. 6 is not the actual number of usual ambushes. Even so soviet forces were between 80,000-104,000 which 15,000 of those died and 53,753 wounded. On ´mujahedin´ forces the death toll is unknown but 1 million afghan civilians died. And if you look at America they had 20,000 troops there along with NATO and the death toll with americans is between 1000?(Iraq is between 3000 so i assume its less in afghanistan)
And if you see at both countries America obviously did a way better job. Russian troops are always ambush material and the armor they use is most of the times easy to destroy. Thus the death tolls are high. Bunch of farmers with AK-74s and RPGs killed 15,000 Soviets wounding 50,000 + If that isnt owned i dont know what is...
Wow, so you can read wikipedia? Too bad you dont read well enough to understand that throughout the 10 years those 100,000 were cycled in and out, 14000 losses were out of the total ammount of soldiers in Afghanistan which was close to 700000. I dont know why you compare it to the American losses of 4000 when they have been in Iraq for 5 years. Around 10,000 died in actual combat, the Mujahideen got their as-es handed to them, no way around it, try thinking before posting.
Wow, so you can read wikipedia? Too bad you dont read well enough to understand that throughout the 10 years those 100,000 were cycled in and out, 14000 losses were out of the total ammount of soldiers in Afghanistan which was close to 700000
I thought with rounding up numbers you always round it up higher not lower. 14,453 doesnt become 14,000 it becomes 14,500. And secondly 417 were missing so it comes up to 15,000. And 415,932 were reported ´´sick´´ what ever that means. So 15,000 died by a country thats been run by foot soldiers is not ownage? If russia cant keep the numbers low how on gods name do they think they got a shot at big countries? Last time i checked also that 20,000,000 russians died in WOII. So your telling me that isnt high number either? Also what i noticed from the movie,which btw cant be made up,is that they treat like soldiers are ´´govno´´ which means **** am i correct? its not the first time i noticed it being used. And many soldiers drink alcohol. I mean,which kind of low life soldier would drink alcohol and which kind of lowlife army would allow alcohol. And its not ´´minor cases´´ its a big issue. No discipline what so ever how you expect them to fight a war?
I dont know why you compare it to the American losses of 4000 when they have been in Iraq for 5 years. Around 10,000 died in actual combat, the Mujahideen got their as-es handed to them, no way around it, try thinking before posting.
I dont get what you mean with first saying american losses of 4000 and changing it to 10,000 in combat. Last time i checked the death toll was only 4000 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88939595
Of a nation with many hostile soldiers and only 4000 died. Thats the example of how you fight wars. And i compare it to america because russia is always seen as equally matched. America has something russia doesnt have. Good training,actually disciplined soldiers who dont drink alcohol during war,very good use of air power and most importantly america doesnt get heavily ambushed and being owned like russians do. Abraham tanks and bradleys only are destroyed by big IEDs and have a way higher armor compared what russians have. Russia cant take on europe nor america. It can attack minor countries but the russian death toll will always be high.
