World's Armed Forces Forum
  << Previous Topic | Next Topic >>Return to Index  

Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

April 30 2008 at 3:28 PM

  (Login UnitedCyprus)
Member


Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia
Breaking News

Nato has warned Russia that its recent troop build-up in Georgia's breakaway region of Abkhazia undermines its neighbour's territorial integrity.

The alliance is "watching with concern" Moscow's moves - which raise tensions in the area - a Nato spokesman said.

Moscow has accused Georgia of preparing to invade Abkhazia, and says it is boosting Russian forces there and also in the South Ossetia region.

Tbilisi has described the Russian move as "irresponsible".


War?

 
 Respond to this message   
AuthorReply

Armenia-Sacra
(Login Armenia-Sacra)

Re: Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

May 1 2008, 12:55 PM 

Quote:
Nato has warned Russia that its recent troop build-up in Georgia's breakaway region of Abkhazia undermines its neighbour's territorial integrity.


What about Serbia's territorial integrity arsehole!! phucking hipocrates!

Russia can turn Georiga into fried chicken and all NATO can do is bark in this case! enough dreaming! Russia's back wheather we like it or not!!

What are they gonna do if Russia ever invades Georgia? (although i've said it b4 that a war is not a possibility in this case in my opinion).

Russia can invade Georgia from 4 fronts!

1. Abkhazia
2. South Ossetia
3. Russian bases in Armenia (supplyied from Iran)
4. Black sea

They would end the war in 1 month maximum in my opinion!

The entire southern area of Georgia is inhabited by Armenians who wouldn't raise weapons against Russians.

It take a few days for Russia to capture Tibilisi! & a month to clean any pockets of resistance that might be left!

But like i said...i don't think war is a possibility!





http://www.genocide-museum.am/
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/

 
 


(Login MikePapa1)
Administrator

Re: Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

May 1 2008, 1:22 PM 

Russia and Georgia rattle sabres
Apr 30th 2008
From Economist.com

Tension grows over Abkhazia

AP
GEORGIA and Russia agree upon one thing: the situation in the breakaway province of Abkhazia is bad and getting worse. Georgia, an ex-Soviet republic with close links to America, says that Russia is illegally putting more troops in the region. Last week it produced video footage of what looks like a Russian warplane shooting down an unmanned Georgian surveillance drone. Russia retorts that its troops are deployed legally as peacekeepers. And the Kremlin says that it is the Georgian authorities who have been acting provocatively, by increasing their military presence in the Kodori Gorge, a small bit of Abkhazia still controlled by the central government in Tbilisi.

The most pessimistic interpretation is that the Kremlin, having decided that the West is too divided and distracted to care about Georgia, is increasing the pressure in order to destabilise its small neighbour and perhaps replace the current rulers with a more pro-Russian lot. If so, one should fear serious bloodshed. The latest shenanigans started shortly after a NATO summit in Bucharest, in early April, where Germany and others blocked an American attempt to give Georgia, as well as Ukraine, a clear path towards membership of the Western military alliance. Georgia is threatening to block Russia's accession to the World Trade Organisation.

The outside world so far has taken neither the Georgian nor the Russian version of events at face value. Georgia has something of a reputation for crying wolf about Russian intentions. The Kremlin has in the past made groundless claims about Georgian misbehaviour. Either side could be increasing tension for its own domestic political reasons.

The Georgian president, Mikheil Saakashvili, is facing a strident opposition that regards him as a corrupt and eccentric autocrat. A strong statesmanlike stance against Russia may help him to keep them at bay in the parliamentary elections on May 21st. And a confrontation with Russia may help to distract his foreign critics, who care a lot about democracy but even more about defending Georgia from Russian mischief-making.

More conspiratorially, it could be that hardliners in Moscow would welcome confrontation with Georgia to set the tone for the new presidency of Dmitry Medvedev, a man they regard as a poor substitute for the hawkish Vladimir Putin. Mr Medvedev takes office next week.

Yet even if either side (or both) is overstating the case, the Caucasus is too flammable a place to be ignored. Georgia is an important link in the energy corridor that connects the oil-rich Caspian region with the outside world. Europe would like that to become a route for gas exports too.

NATO said on Wednesday April 30th that it is watching Russia's troop build-up “with concern”. Both the alliance and the European Union have blamed the Kremlin for raising tensions. NATO ambassadors met David Bakradze, a senior Georgian politician, in Brussels on Monday. But to Georgia’s backers at least, Western support looks pretty limp. The only practical move that NATO could agree upon was to send representatives to visit Georgia—by the end of the year. As a foreign minister from another ex-communist country notes, “Georgia is not formally an ally” of the West. The minister is privately sympathetic to the Georgians’ plight, but is pessimistic about their prospects.

It is hard to see an easy way out. Georgia recently offered Abkhazia a deal that included full autonomy, a veto on legislation and constitutional changes and a guaranteed position as vice-president. But that has probably come too late.

The big question is how far Russia will push. It has stopped short of formal diplomatic recognition of Abkhazia and another smaller breakaway statelet called South Ossetia (see map). But on April 16th a presidential decree established formal legal ties with both places. That may have been merely a symbolic reaction to the West’s recognition of Kosovo, which Russia saw as a gross breach of the territorial integrity of its ally, Serbia. Or it may prove a prelude to the de facto annexation of both territories, as Georgia claims. If Russia overplays its hand, it could find that the outside world sharply questions the legitimacy of its peacekeeping forces in Abkhazia. Critics have long referred to them as “piece-keepers”. That may prove to have been a prescient bit of mockery.


http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11287956




Provost

Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.

Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929

 
 

Rzecz
(Login Rzeczpospolita)
Moderators

Re: Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

May 1 2008, 3:23 PM 

As much legitimacy as Kosovo. Go Russia, what will the Yanks do? Claim they can't declare freedom? Oh no!

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."



 
 

nappyheadedHO
(Login filin)
Elite WAFF Vet Club

Re: Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

May 1 2008, 3:40 PM 

Thats exactly what they claim

NATO says Russia undermining Georgian territorial integrity

--------------------------------------------

 
 


(Login zahirmahir)

Re: Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

May 1 2008, 5:36 PM 

It is nice to see that the resident russians and armenians think it is ok for chechens to declare their independence.



----------


-Dude, where is my S-300?
-Dude where is your S-300?
-Seriously dude, my SAM is gone.
-Dude, where is my ARTHUR
-Dude, not again dude, did you lose it too?
-Well dude, at least we don't have any spare parts problems for them any more.
-True, True. I wish we could lose Papanikolis too.
-Don't worry dude, we will do that soon too.


Insan bir deryadir ilimle mahir /One is an ocean when he is the master of science
Alimsiz insanin sohreti zahir/ The fame of the one without science is an illusion
Asik Veysel





 
 


(Login UnitedCyprus)
Member

Re: Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

May 1 2008, 6:33 PM 


Russia beefs up Abkhazia forces

Extra Russian troops are now being deployed in Georgia's breakaway Abkhazia region, Russia says.

The defence ministry said the fresh units were joining peacekeeping troops in the Tkvarcheli district, in line with an existing peace accord.

The statement, quoted by Itar-Tass news agency, did not say how many extra troops were being deployed.

Nato has accused Russia of increasing tension in Abkhazia, where separatists broke away from Georgia in the 1990s.

Russia has kept a peacekeeping force in Abkhazia and another breakaway region, South Ossetia, under an agreement made following the wars of the early 1990s.

Russia is known to have about 2,000 troops already in Abkhazia, and about 1,000 in South Ossetia.

Moscow has accused Georgia of preparing to invade Abkhazia. Earlier, Georgia condemned Russia's decision to forge closer ties with the separatist authorities there.

"The steps that have been taken [by Russia] and the rhetoric have increased tensions and undermined Georgia's territorial integrity," Nato spokesman James Appathurai said on Wednesday.

He urged both Moscow and Tbilisi to avoid harsh rhetoric.

Russia said Georgia was massing 1,500 soldiers and police in the upper Kodori Gorge, the only part of Abkhazia which remains under government control.

Georgia denies any build-up of its own forces in the area, and says that Russia is taking provocative action.



They are getting ready for war

 
 

nappyheadedHO
(Login Fantaros)
Hellenic Hoplites

Re: Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

May 1 2008, 6:35 PM 

NATO is clearly being hypocritical here, there is absolutely no argument against that. They hacked off part of Kosovo-Serbia a few months back and illegaly propped it up as a separate state and now they are stating that the same thing can't happen somewhere else. Practice what you preach you fkin hypocrites!



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/



 
 

nappyheadedHO
(Login Armenia-Sacra)

Re: Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

May 1 2008, 9:40 PM 

@zahirmahir...no one said tht...we're discussing wht can NATO do if Russia in fact enters a war with georgia!! read b4 u barf! maybe u'll make us believe that turks in fact sometimes do think before they talk...ur predecossors have failed to convince us otherwise! and we have the general idea tht turks just barf alotta words...prove them wrong mate! I'm betting my money on u!






http://www.genocide-museum.am/>
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/>


    
This message has been edited by Armenia-Sacra on May 1, 2008 9:42 PM


 
 

nappyheadedHO
(Login irkut)
Mother Russia

Re: Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

May 2 2008, 12:55 AM 

the Chechens were given their independence in 1996 my Turkish comrade, they then spent 3 years practicing human slavery so they again lost their sovereignty. I'm sorry you dont understand why Chechnya lost it's sovereignty. The Russian Federation has maintained a very consistent position on territorial integrity. Russia would not be seeking the partition of Georgia and Moldova today if it were not for the precedent set by Kosovo. NATO opened Pandora's box and now has to live with it.

 
 


(Login zahirmahir)

Re: Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

May 2 2008, 2:28 AM 

@zahirmahir...no one said tht...we're discussing wht can NATO do if Russia in fact enters a war with georgia!! read b4 u barf! maybe u'll make us believe that turks in fact sometimes do think before they talk...ur predecossors have failed to convince us otherwise! and we have the general idea tht turks just barf alotta words...prove them wrong mate! I'm betting my money on u!
--------

My predecessors in Adana were being killed in the mountains by Armenian gangs until they stopped talking. Believe me, you really don't want us to stop talking and start taking actions as you know history tends to repeat itself.










----------


-Dude, where is my S-300?
-Dude where is your S-300?
-Seriously dude, my SAM is gone.
-Dude, where is my ARTHUR
-Dude, not again dude, did you lose it too?
-Well dude, at least we don't have any spare parts problems for them any more.
-True, True. I wish we could lose Papanikolis too.
-Don't worry dude, we will do that soon too.


Insan bir deryadir ilimle mahir /One is an ocean when he is the master of science
Alimsiz insanin sohreti zahir/ The fame of the one without science is an illusion
Asik Veysel






    
This message has been edited by zahirmahir on May 2, 2008 2:41 AM
This message has been edited by zahirmahir on May 2, 2008 2:37 AM


 
 

Rzecz
(Login Rzeczpospolita)
Moderators

Re: Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

May 2 2008, 3:03 AM 

It is nice to see that the resident russians and armenians think it is ok for chechens to declare their independence.

They do have that right like any other person or group. Difference is the Chechen's can't be helped by anyone and expect the Russians to crush them each and everytime just short of a genocide... I think that is the most surprising thing.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."



 
 

Armenia-Sacra
(Login Armenia-Sacra)

Re: Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia

May 2 2008, 12:58 PM 

@Rzecz...actually the chechens had won the 1st war against the Russians with US help...during tht time Russia was in Deep S*hit!

Everything could have stayed the way it was...instead the chechens blinded by their victory chose to interfere with Daghestan! (By US support of course)...which was too much for the Russians to bare! It was about time they did something! & they waged an "all or nothing" war against Chechenya!

Don't make a mistake about it...the 2nd chechen war was very difficult for the Russians...they lacked everything a proper army should have! but they managed it!

Russia back then was in a mess! In my opinion today's Russia is much stronger & much more organized than the one we had back in 1998!

Chechens dug their own graves! & the Russians burried them!

@Zahirmahir! Really? i thought it was the other way around!! I thought it was the turks who killed Armenians...Oh well! i maybe wrong...hmm now where did i last see my history book?






http://www.genocide-museum.am/
http://www.armenian-genocide.org/

 
 

(Login berthierch)
Europa

no red russian bear any longer

May 2 2008, 1:59 PM 

quote :
"The Georgian president, Mikheil Saakashvili, is facing a strident opposition that regards him as a corrupt and eccentric autocrat. A strong statesmanlike stance against Russia may help him to keep them at bay in the parliamentary elections on May 21st. And a confrontation with Russia may help to distract his foreign critics, who care a lot about democracy but even more about defending Georgia from Russian mischief-making."

I dont expect the russians to invade georgia.They want to prevent the western media to picture the old "russian red bear". But for me, Putin and the russian state machine certainly want to recover the previous USSR's influence and roll the US forces back and out of central asia. As the USA dont respect the statu quo and are still cooking "pink revolutions", I expect Russia to use softer influence, ie : helping mass movement, social unrest vs liberalization, loss of independance, too visible occidental or mafias influence, etc. as well as economic, social and food leverages.
I dont think that M. Saakash. has now the political space to use russia as a scapegoat and Nato as the salvation army. On the contrary, Russia seems now to be a "solution" for a growing number of forces there, therefore the postponement of elections and social unrest.
This is the way Putin will concentrate himself on social affairs as prime minister of russia

 
 
Current Topic - Nato warns Russia over Abkhazia  Respond to this message   
  << Previous Topic | Next Topic >>Return to Index