Mytilene, eastern heaven of the Aegean
An old man by a seashore at the end of day, gazes the horizon with seawinds in his face
Tempest-tossed island, seasons all the same, anchorage unpainted and a ship without a name
Sea without a shore for the banished one unheard, he lightens the beacon light at the end of world
Showing the way lighting hope in their hearts, the ones on their travels homeward from afar
The albatross is flying, making him daydream, the time before he became one of the world`s unseen
Princess in the tower, children in the fields, life gave him it all: an island of the universe
Now his love`s a memory, a ghost in the fog, he sets the sails one last time saying farewell to the world
Anchor to the water, seabed far below, grass still in his feet and a smile beneath his brow
This is for long-forgotten
Light at the end of the world
Horizon crying
The tears he left behind so long ago
So long ago...
* 1 aircraft carrier (Charles de Gaulle),
* 1 helicopter cruiser (Jeanne d'Arc)
* 2 amphibious assault ships of the The Mistral type
* 3 Landing Platform Dock of the Foudre type and Bougainville type
* 12 destroyers (officially classified as frigates)
* 11 frigates
* 9 corvettes (classified as "aviso")
* 4 ballistic missile submarines
* 6 nuclear attack submarines
1 aircraft carrier (Charles de Gaulle),
1 helicopter cruiser (Jeanne d'Arc)
2 amphibious assault ships of the The Mistral type
3 Landing Platform Dock of the Foudre type and Bougainville type
4 ballistic missile submarines
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""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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With such navy it would be a cakewalk for France to block Turkey.....(naval blocade)
As i sayd earlyer,France can do far more damage to turkey then viceversa............
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Inavsion would be dificul cus Turkey has a sher size of its army.....But that army is not
as profesional and modern as french(a part from the weapons Turkey purchased from Germany).
Also,Turkish small industry would be easy target for French Fighter-bombers,,,,,,,,,
Apart from that, the only effective French weapon against Turkey are nuclear submarines with ICBMs. The rest (aircraft/helicopter carriers and LPDs) are only "expensive floating targets" for Turkey's massive fleet of F-16s, which can hit them far away from the Anatolian coastline with the assistance of KC-135Rs.
""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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i am sure that in a war case like this
spirits would have been hot time before the war start
french inventory can be updated in quality and quantity in a short time
bad diplomatic relations might be for time ,time enough for the french to get what they need
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""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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france can easy make your coastline a no man's land
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""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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* 1 aircraft carrier (Charles de Gaulle),
* 1 helicopter cruiser (Jeanne d'Arc)
* 2 amphibious assault ships of the The Mistral type
* 3 Landing Platform Dock of the Foudre type and Bougainville type
* 12 destroyers (officially classified as frigates)
* 11 frigates
* 9 corvettes (classified as "aviso")
* 4 ballistic missile submarines
* 6 nuclear attack submarines
TURKISH NAVY
* 1 LPD will be acquired
* 18 frigates (10 more are coming: 2 x Perry, 4 x TF-2000, 4 x F-100/Milgem): Total will be 28 frigates
* 13 corvettes (Kılıç class is defined as a corvette by Lürssen. 10 more are coming: 2 x Kılıç, 8 x Milgem): Total will be 23 corvettes
* 14 submarines (6 more AIP submarines are coming): Total will be 20 submarines
* 18 other fast attack missile craft armed with 8 x Harpoon/Penguin II SSM (10 with Harpoon, 8 with Penguin II)
In terms of real "fighting vessels" (and not sitting ducks) the Turkish Navy is a major force and will become even bigger.
to not count the frigates and subs that turkey will retire from service
and what about destroyers something to counter against them?
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""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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ridiculous, any which way you compare it, france will obliterate turkey. ok maybe roast it. nukes? carrier? economy? indigenous defense industry? political clout? high tech sci r&d?
you name it, france>>>>>>turkey
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Bhangees
Bhangees have the world's largest democracy, the world's largest number of poor people, largest number of illiterates, largest number of hungry, world leader in urine therapy, longest uninterrupted history of military defeats at hands of foreigners, being ruled by foreigners even today, most of its legal, education, military, scientific, technological, entertainment, sport and other fields of endeavour being shaped by its most recent master of 200 years - UK! India was the most loyal of britain's servants and had sent millions of 'volunteer' (servants) to serve her master Britain, and many thousand Indians died to please her master UK. This is nation of Gandhis that now wields million 'weak' armed forces and nukes, despite the above FACTS! World's largest democracy in action!
are turks here seriously thinking they can compete with france with 1/3 the gdp no nukes no carriers no indigenous defence industry and having to beg 40 years for EU membership? or was it 50 years? yeah whatever it was, it became secular 80 years ago~ and still is dirt poor, it should become ruled by shariah laws for improvement in economy and living standards morality and safety science and tech.
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Bhangees
Bhangees have the world's largest democracy, the world's largest number of poor people, largest number of illiterates, largest number of hungry, world leader in urine therapy, longest uninterrupted history of military defeats at hands of foreigners, being ruled by foreigners even today, most of its legal, education, military, scientific, technological, entertainment, sport and other fields of endeavour being shaped by its most recent master of 200 years - UK! India was the most loyal of britain's servants and had sent millions of 'volunteer' (servants) to serve her master Britain, and many thousand Indians died to please her master UK. This is nation of Gandhis that now wields million 'weak' armed forces and nukes, despite the above FACTS! World's largest democracy in action!
can you not re-read the post instead of asking me to repeat myself?
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Bhangees
Bhangees have the world's largest democracy, the world's largest number of poor people, largest number of illiterates, largest number of hungry, world leader in urine therapy(drinking own urine),most prostitutes, longest uninterrupted history of military defeats at hands of foreigners, being ruled by foreigners even today, most of its legal, education, military, scientific, technological, entertainment, sport and other fields of endeavour being shaped by its most recent master of 200 years - UK! India was the most loyal of britain's servants and had sent millions of 'volunteer' (servants) to serve her master Britain, and many thousand Indians died to please her master UK. This is nation of Gandhis that now wields million 'weak' armed forces and nukes, despite the above FACTS! World's largest democracy in action!
Not really, no. Sure Turkey has some weapons manufacturing, but it doesn't exactly have a huge weapons industry sector like France does it?
"He lives in a world where concept is reality..."
nappyheadedHO (Login Hun78) The Conquerors (Turkey)
Re: France VS Turkiye (war scenario) Part 2
May 4 2008, 4:49 PM
@filin the slav(e)ic idiot
Your giving the Battle of Ceshma as an example of russian victories over Turks is so absurd. Slav(e)ic idiots needed a british brain (John Elphinstone) to plan and carry out the attack on Turkish fleet. A ruskie can not be a sailor or a soldier by nature. Even Japs crushed your pathetic fleet and sent slav(e)ic goat herders to the bottom of Yellow Sea in 1905. I don't know where you got the idea that poor russian goat herders overwhelmed Turks in the battlefield. Below you can find the link to one of the greatest russian ass gang bangings by Turkic mongols.
Toktamysh Khan literally raped and crushed inferior slav(e)ic goat herders in 1382.
'at least learn your histoy before looking like a fool'
and you should learn how to spell HISTORY you poor russian imbecile. russia is the biggest prostitute factory on earth by the way. At least they are good at something lol
a clear stalemate in this case too since France may have the industrial and military capabilities to inflict heavy losses to the Turks but they cannot occupy Turkey at least for a long time.
Haha, a Turk crying about Chesma, lol. Im sorry that the Russia forces have managed to dominate the Turks in virtually every engagement, even when they were outnumbered 15 to 1. What a pathetic culture, they lost so many times that they try to distort history to try not to seem like huge losers.
I see you can use wikipedia, must be one smart guy, check this out too while your at it.
Perhaps if thats too boring maybe we should look at how often the Ottomans got their as-es handed to them by the Russian empire, and how many of the Ottoman victories were with the help of the Brits or the French.
First of all i dont see any evidences for your 15:1 ratio . Btw did you notice that most of the time russians are defending???
Battle of Kulikovo
Commanders:
combined Russian armies:
Dmitri Ivanovich of Moscow
The Golden Horde:
Mamai
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Strength
comined russian armies:
between 60,000 and 80,000
Golden horde:
between 75,000 and 125,000
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Casualties and losses
combined russian armies:
up to 40,000 killed or wounded (more than 50 %)
Golden horde:
Almost entire army killed
Battle of the Vozha River
-No real casuality numbers
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Great stand on the Ugra river
"...After the battle, Akhmat retreated to the town of Vorotynsk, where he decided to wait for Casimir's army. Ivan III moved his army to Kremenets and started to negotiate with the khan, in attempt to buy some time to restore his relations with his rebellious brothers (hence, the Great standing on the Ugra river). It took Ivan III four days (from September, 30 to October, 3) to reconcile with his brothers and another 17 days (until 20 October) for his brothers' armies to arrive at Kremenets. Watching the increasing Russian army and receiving no word from the Polish king, Akhmat chose not to attack the Russians. In the meantime, Casimir IV was dealing with his own country's internal affairs and fighting with the Crimean Khanate. The Mongols waited for reinforcements until November, 11 and then, lacking supplies and suffering from epidemics and freezing weather, turned south.
On January 6, 1481 Akhmat Khan was killed in a clash with the army of Ibak Khan of Tyumen. As a result, the Golden Horde gradually disintegrated. The Great Standoff on the Ugra river put an end to the Tatar-Mongol dominance..."
I dont see him fleeing here. He only retreated to buy time and died honorably.
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This message has been edited by eddy85 on May 4, 2008 9:23 PM
Check out what happens in the caucases in the late 17th century into the 20th century to the Ottoman lands, which is exactly the time of the rise of the Russian empire.
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