Was there EVER ANY European/Christian country without colonial history and association to it?

The only one without colonial history I can remember is Timor Leste? It has oil and gas too. Is this REAL chritie economie without colonialism looting murdering genocide freakng retrdedness?

Is there/ was there EVER a genuinely rich euro christie or other christie society without ASSOCIATION to those looter b@stards or without looting murdering killing genocidal history?

I know they cant have a SINGLE country run without natural resources that's how frail their economies are. Now I want to know without history of looting cheating stealing banditry barbarical nudity behaviour will they be any different to
Timor Leste?

hahahaha

WTF is a christie country?




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A country where everyone is named Christopher lol

"WTF is a christie country?"
christy is girl name, christy country is christian country who mostly f@ggots and act like girls.

I think RICHEST christie country without colonialism and associated jobs is Timor Leste. Or is there somebody like ethiopia? But ethiopia invaded somalia too.

This is real strength of christonomics....hahaha. Even with oil/gas they are Timor Leste.

Every European Nation had its great time, while most other continents served as bitches. Life is unfair.

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A German Soldier doesnt die, he goes to hell and regroups !

I know they cant have a SINGLE country run without natural resources that's how frail their economies are

That is one of the most retarded comments ever made on this forum.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

an other lover of European civilisation that bring liberty and light to the world.

A better question would be: is there any civilisation that thanks to intelligence became so rich and powerfull that other civilisations became defenseless, that did not took advantage of this power to invade technologically inferior countries ?
The only difference is that contrary to Persian, Chinese, Turks, Arabs, Mongols and so on, the Europeans did not destroyed those civilisations (apart a few exceptions, mostly by accident) and abandonned slavery and colonialism, NOT because they were forced to, but because they decided by themselves it was immoral.

hi ZionistsDrowning.
you must be Indonesian Muslim who are crazy ? has your girl friend from Timor Leste left you ? .. oh too bad

^^^
any Indonesians with normal brain wouldnt touch filthy East Timoreses even in their dream..

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Unbelievable post. I wonder if the poster is old enough to be able to vote.

Quote: any Indonesians with normal brain wouldnt touch filthy East Timoreses even in their dream

you "clean and perfumed" indonesians seem to have short memory too. Many christian countries including my own helped a lot when your country was hit by the tsunami and earthquakes.

Quote: The only difference is that contrary to Persian, Chinese, Turks, Arabs, Mongols and so on, the Europeans did not destroyed those civilisations (apart a few exceptions, mostly by accident) and abandonned slavery and colonialism, NOT because they were forced to, but because they decided by themselves it was immoral.

What happened to the Aztecs, Mayas, Incas, etc?

Did the Europeans "accidentally" sail to those lands, "accidentally" invade them, "accidentally" destroy them, "accidentally" rob their gold, diamonds, etc?

Quote: Re: Was there EVER Any RICH Euro/ Christie countries without colonialism/association ?

Norway has some oversas islands and claimed territory in Antarctica, but they have always been peaceful and harmless. Most of their overseas possessions were uninhabited lands with Arctic/Antarctic climate, anyway.

Sweden had an empire which consisted of the surrounding Scandinavian states like Norway, Finland and Denmark, but the Swedes never invaded the nations of the world's backward areas.

Switzerland is a wealthy country with no colonial past.

England, France, Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Italy and Russia have a history of colonial expansion into the lands of poor backward nations and grabbing their natural resources though.

Denmark is an interesting country: It owns Greenland and once had colonies on the eastern coast of India (few people know this today)

Quote: you "clean and perfumed" indonesians seem to have short memory too. Many christian countries including my own helped a lot when your country was hit by the tsunami and earthquakes.

WTF ??? I didnt say anything about Christian, I say east timorese, some of east timorese muslim u know, remember mari alkatiri..

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LOL: The only difference is that contrary to Persian, Chinese, Turks, Arabs, Mongols and so on, the Europeans did not destroyed those civilisations (apart a few exceptions, mostly by accident) and abandonned slavery and colonialism, NOT because they were forced to, but because they decided by themselves it was immoral.

That was also one of the most retarded posts of all time.. Yeah right its because europe found it immoral ..



I am here to fight back..

Cakrabirawa, your signature picture .. where is it ? .. is it in Indonesia ? ... I want to but all..... oops to visit it

Was Cakrabirawa name of elite troops of Sukarneo' ?

"That was also one of the most retarded posts of all time.. Yeah right its because europe found it immoral .. "

Can you tell me another reason for Europe to stop the high profitable slave trade than moral issues ?

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A German Soldier doesnt die, he goes to hell and regroups !

The only difference is that contrary to Persian, Chinese, Turks, Arabs, Mongols and so on, the Europeans did not destroyed those civilisations (apart a few exceptions, mostly by accident) and abandonned slavery and colonialism, NOT because they were forced to, but because they decided by themselves it was immoral.
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what civilization did the persians destroy? the persians concept of human rights 2000 years ago was more advanced than the european one of 300 years ago. Hell the only reason the Persians eventually decided to invade the mainland greeks was because the athenians attacked a greek town (sardis) under persian occupation and burned it to the ground

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Quote: Cakrabirawa, your signature picture .. where is it ? .. is it in Indonesia ? ... I want to but all..... oops to visit it

that's pic from eastern part of Indonesia between Maluku island and Papua called Raja Ampat or the Four Kings, is an archipelago comprising over 1,500 small islands, cays and shoals surrounding the four main islands of Misool, Salawati, Batanta and Waigeo, it famous becoz Sea conditions around Raja Ampat have remained relatively stable for millions of years,

from Wikipedia

According to the Conservation International Rapid Assessment Bulletin the marine life diversity is considerably greater than all other areas sampled in the Coral Triangle of Indonesia, Philippines and Papua New Guinea. The Coral Triangle is the heart of the world's coral reef biodiversity, the seas around Raja Ampat are possibly the richest in the world.

Quote: Was Cakrabirawa name of elite troops of Sukarneo' ?

it was name of King Guardian troop of Majapahit Kingdom, but u rit President guard in Soekarno era used this name also

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"Barbarian History" ended quite recently actually, in 1945.

At least that's how the future generations will remember and call the period of history between the invention of letters (writing) and the end of WWII.

It can alternatively be described as the period between the invention of fire/wheel and 1945.

Man's inhumanity to man ranged from cannibalism to slavery in this time frame.

The two atomic bombs in 1945 (Japan) were the "climax" right before the end of "Barbarian History".

Though occasional "barbarisms" happened afterwards too, such as those in Rwanda, former Yugoslavia, etc.

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France Re: Was there EVER Any RICH Euro/ Christie countries without colonialism/association ? May 18 2008, 8:32 AM


an other lover of European civilisation that bring liberty and light to the world.

A better question would be: is there any civilisation that thanks to intelligence became so rich and powerfull that other civilisations became defenseless, that did not took advantage of this power to invade technologically inferior countries ?
The only difference is that contrary to Persian, Chinese, Turks, Arabs, Mongols and so on, the Europeans did not destroyed those civilisations (apart a few exceptions, mostly by accident) and abandonned slavery and colonialism, NOT because they were forced to, but because they decided by themselves it was immoral
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yeah and euro christies would be converted by now had Arabs killed all euros. which euros did to americans asutralian aborigines africans and converted them forcefully to christianity also forced open insular japanese societies destroying peace there.....accidental? haha
european civilization is an oxymoron.

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Norway has some oversas islands and claimed territory in Antarctica, but they have always been peaceful and harmless. Most of their overseas possessions were uninhabited lands with Arctic/Antarctic climate, anyway.

Sweden had an empire which consisted of the surrounding Scandinavian states like Norway, Finland and Denmark, but the Swedes never invaded the nations of the world's backward areas.

Switzerland is a wealthy country with no colonial past.

England, France, Spain, Portugal, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Italy and Russia have a history of colonial expansion into the lands of poor backward nations and grabbing their natural resources though.

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look norway, switzerland they had ASSOCIATION or links with barbaric looter colonial european christie f@gs. WITHOUT links to developments of incidents in those euro christie f@g states, what did they do?
sweden never invaded backward areas? what were norway finland denmarK? hahaha

"Every European Nation had its great time, while most other continents served as bitches. Life is unfair"

tell me more about which other continents fell to this 80m+ country of germany? haha lets face it germans lost in colonialization game even kiwis stole pathetic german colonies germans could only bend over for some soviet hard tool, we know WWII produced many german b@@@@@ by soviet 'liberators'. haha

now tell me is there no rich christie country ever? timor leste is richest? or ethiopia is richest? from noninvading looting murdering pillaging colonizing NOR ASSOCIATED (trading cultural scientific business national governmental etc) links.

Timor Leste also has OIL/GAS its still dirt dirt cheeap cheap cheap dirt poor. is this true face of christie-nomics?

I am a certified scuba diver and really love diving. The site (Raja Ampat) looks extremely interesting to me. Have u been there ?

I google "Raja Ampat" and found a lot of sites. This is interesting

http://www.bluewildlife.com/narratives/raja.html

My question is : .. is it safe for a tourist going there ?

It is difficult to grasp what you are trying to say. But there has Neaver been an Empire without colonialism and conquest. The Mongual, China, Egypt, Aztec etc all imposed there rules on others. Did europe do any diffrent, No. The Zulus were building a empire when the British beat them. The Aztec was a Empire when the Spanish beat them. But remember the Spanish had only just survied being over run by the Moores and being in there Empire. Britain has been over run and placed in some eles empire twice Once by the Romans and once by the Normans, Raided and Cloinized the Saxons Anglos Jutes and Vikings (Norway you remember that Nice country you were going on about).
The Ottoman Empire streched from the Caspian sea to Vienna by force All countrys have been the center of power at some time. It has nothing to do with religon it is just Human nature.

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It is difficult to grasp what you are trying to say. But there has Neaver been an Empire without colonialism and conquest. The Mongual, China, Egypt, Aztec etc all imposed there rules on others. Did europe do any diffrent, No. The Zulus were building a empire when the British beat them. The Aztec was a Empire when the Spanish beat them. But remember the Spanish had only just survied being over run by the Moores and being in there Empire. Britain has been over run and placed in some eles empire twice Once by the Romans and once by the Normans, Raided and Cloinized the Saxons Anglos Jutes and Vikings (Norway you remember that Nice country you were going on about).
The Ottoman Empire streched from the Caspian sea to Vienna by force All countrys have been the center of power at some time. It has nothing to do with religon it is just Human nature.

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oh dear another sorry excuse from a blooody anglo who in history will go down as most retarded hypocritical murderous deceptive leeches ever.
heck even I admitted timor leste did nothing like england, that switzerland or norway did no such thing, yet switzerland or norway had direct links with other looters killer murderrs destroyers bandits coloniziers stupid fools mongrel bastard sons of b!tches from euro/christie countries.
now timor leste didnt and we see WITH OIL/GAS how prosperous it is. hahaha true face of christonomics. without looting and ASSOCIATION to looters, the best they have is Timor Leste

some persian also asked which countries did persians kill? the colonizers are cheaters because theyve no racial cultural or such links with colonized and imposted their system including by use of force to kill impair maim or destroy the natives way of lives anywhere they colonized while the persians arabs etc that you mentino are not same.

Yet again I ask what is your point? What is it you are trying to say?
East Timor (officially the Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste) is an ex-Portuguese colony.

"Norway has some oversas islands and claimed territory in Antarctica, but they have always been peaceful and harmless. Most of their overseas possessions were uninhabited lands with Arctic/Antarctic climate, anyway."

Ok
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking"

"Is there/ was there EVER a genuinely rich euro christie or other christie society without ASSOCIATION to those looter b@stards or without looting murdering killing genocidal history?"

I Have stated that NO Rich powerful society has ever existed that did not supres and steal from others.

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Empire"

Heres a list of Empires "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_empires"
So again I ask what is your point?

What is the point of all these silly Christian v Muslim threads recently?

I am a Muslim and all I can say is this:

Technology: West which is mainly Christian (but e.g. not Japan) is superior.

Military: West is stronger.

Political influence: West is stronger.

Economics: West is stronger.

and now the most complex and one which requires a lot of in-depth discussion to understand fully but in terms of social rights: West is stronger too.

Game, set and match to the west and this comes from a Muslim who prays, goes to Friday prayer every week, reads the Quran in the original Arabic.

I know quite a bit about Muslims and all I can say is our sad state is due to our own selves, which is why the world today associates us with terrorism, extremism, backwardness and failure.

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The Greatest football player of all time.

Basically this semi-literate baboon is changing his meaning once more, to any 'Christian' country that invaded another country even within Europe, even if there was no colonialism. So basically he just made everyone 'poor'.

For someone that says 'live off natural resources' must be born out of a baboons ass.

@ Azam

It is a surprise reading something that objective on this forum. What nationality are you?

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

Quote: I am a certified scuba diver and really love diving. The site (Raja Ampat) looks extremely interesting to me. Have u been there ?

Nope, only lombok in West Nusa Tenggara the farest eastern part of Indonesia I has visit..

Quote: My question is : .. is it safe for a tourist going there ?

this place bcome the most fav foreign tourists bside Bali in recent year, so yeah I think its safe for you

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The "christy" europeans have been much more cruel between each other than toward anybody else.
Well... let's put it this way: they were as cruel with the others than against each other. Everybody equal.

About slavery: slavery has stopped in europe after the Roman Empire became christian. That includes North Africa too.

But after the fall of the Roman Empire and the arab invasions of North Africa, it restarted stronger than ever.

When the europeans found America, it's not europeans who ran after black african asses all over Africa to make them slaves.
That's muslims who were making this trade between Africa and Arab world for centuries who found there a new market.
The europeans have never been deep in Africa for this trade. They just stopped at an arbour of the coast (Goré island on front of Senegal for example) to pick them up on their way to the new continent. And those who were selling them were muslims who were making this trade for ages with Arab countries.
Slave ban of slavery in Mauritania: 1964!

And it still continue to a certain extense.

Slavery is perfectly accepted in Islam and there are many quote in the quran where it's considered as perfectly normal practice.

well, since some fellow members brought religion into this subject, i would like to clear to you that in both the jewish torah and the christian bible , "slavery" is allowed.
[ so please quit with the religion BS ]

lets look at the timeline :

France abolished slavery - 1802 (christian)
Ottoman Empire - 1886 (muslim)

plus although the arabs did take slaves from africa, it was a piracy / raider trade, where these pirates would capture these slaves and sell them .....wait for it.............. EUROPE! [europe was the biggest slave market in the world and it was a very lucrative business]

now to the second bullsh!t written in this topic, that arab raider captured african slaves more than europeans and americans..... common you really believe this? there is HARD evidence of the number of slaves taken to europe and the americas, while the theory about arab traders is mostly hear-say without any hard facts. anyways the african slaves where made up of tribes that betrayed and captured each other for the white-mans goods.

also i would like to point to something peculiar, the "arab" slave trade was not limited to a specific colour of skin, arabs , caucasians, asians and blacks would / could become slaves. yet the "european" slave trade was limited to a specific skin colour, kinda racist dont ya think?

"Every European Nation had its great time, while most other continents served as bitches. Life is unfair."










Francesca B

"Yet again I ask what is your point? What is it you are trying to say?
East Timor (officially the Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste) is an ex-Portuguese colony."
stupid persons cant understand it. timor leste didnt colonize anybody nor loot murder kill etc

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I Have stated that NO Rich powerful society has ever existed that did not supres and steal from others."
this is true for christie f@gs not true empires. even switzerland didnt steal from others BUT it had ASSOCIATION with other plunderers.


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Heres a list of Empires "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_empires"
So again I ask what is your point?
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thats my question what is ur point with this stupid list? read my question. is the best true christinomics example Timor Leste?

"What is the point of all these silly Christian v Muslim threads recently?

I am a Muslim and all I can say is this:

Technology: West which is mainly Christian (but e.g. not Japan) is superior.

Military: West is stronger.

Political influence: West is stronger.

Economics: West is stronger.

and now the most complex and one which requires a lot of in-depth discussion to understand fully but in terms of social rights: West is stronger too.

Game, set and match to the west and this comes from a Muslim who prays, goes to Friday prayer every week, reads the Quran in the original Arabic.

I know quite a bit about Muslims and all I can say is our sad state is due to our own selves, which is why the world today associates us with terrorism, extremism, backwardness and failure.
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christians made BIGGEST murder chaos kill looting plunder banditry iN HISTORY of mankind. of course they are stronger point is had muslims murdered ALL europeans and ethnic cleansed it would americans austrlainas africans had different fate? will world have been much safer more peaceful? sure!

social right : is not well defined, you comparing only two societal groups, there are other groups you ignored too.
here no comparison is being made, only a question is being asked which the forumers are ignorant to answer or fearful to answer as it exposes their stupid ignorant and illegitimate natures.

the world doesnt equate muslim with anything, same as 50 years ago, only now west has started smear campaign and invasion of muslims when muslims are disunited. the rest of world only follow western media? hahaha.

"Basically this semi-literate baboon is changing his meaning once more, to any 'Christian' country that invaded another country even within Europe, even if there was no colonialism. So basically he just made everyone 'poor'."
this refers to you or your family?

"For someone that says 'live off natural resources' must be born out of a baboons ass"
reminds me of european custom. are your family european? your mother specially are they european? hahaha

french f@ggot has been farked brutally by slave owners? maybe he forget history europeans are biggest hypocrites murderers scumbags in world history and need to be erased from world. world be much much much better place without them backward homosexuals & wh*res

egyptus owned you.

Well this guy really shows how bad the education system is in his country


"He lives in a world where concept is reality..."

Yet again I say what is your point?
From about 1000 to 1400 AD it was the Muslim world which was stronger and more powerful. Did the Ottoman Empire get so big and powerful by being a nice and cuddle. No it did not It did it by the sword.
You seam to view the world in only today siuation, Not in its intiraty. Nations Rise Nations Fall, Empires Rise Empires Fall. Religion has NOTHING to do with it. It just part of culture nothing more.
Most of the Genicides you talk about were from Illness, which was not deliberate.
So the Eurpoe can them Blame Central Asia for the Black Death? The Mongol warriors were catapulting The corpses over the city walls, infecting the inhabitantsof Caffa.
50 to 60% of the Europen population was wipped out.

As i have said was there ANY RICH ccountry with out colonalism or empirial expantion the Answer is NO. East West Nort South we as Humans have been inhuman to each outher since time begain.

What were the Moors doing in Spain? The Ottamans in Bosnia? You wish to point out that Europe is unique that only europe were the Impirals. Well you are wroung. The European assent begain with a Technological lead, and a political lead. When outer nation have that NO MATTER THERE LOCATION OR RELIGION they form the bases of an empire.
Oh by the way East Timor is Located in South East Asia, the island of Timor is part of the Malay archipelago. So its not in Europe

Zionistsdrowning,

Most of what you said in your last post was correct.

Yes, Christian Europe has been far more bloodthirsty than the Muslim world.

In fact even today a few radicals here and there carry out some terrorist attacks and beheadings and so on, but this pales into comparison the killing of Muslims in Chechnya by the Russians, the murder of Muslims in Bosnia and the destruction of every single mosque in Serb-held areas of Bosnia, the invasion of Iraq and the hundreds and thousands of dead.

However the reason why this has happened is because the Muslim world has turned away from Islam and is corrupt. I could go into detail, but this is not exactly a forum for super-intelligent or calm people, so I won't.

Anyway things are and will continue to change.

Though I reiterate what I said in my last post, an undeniable fact, the west is more advanced than the Muslim world now.

@ Rzec: I apologize, I am not keen on talking about my nationality on here due to the fascists (Kemalists, European racists, Neo-Nazis) on here and it just simply economizes my time since instead of inevitably having to respond to flaming against my country, I can talk about the subject matter.

Put it simply, I am a Muslim living in the west who has spent time in the "Muslim" world.

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http://www.youtube.com/user/hasofottoman53

Stop crying, we'll be back soon to build railways on your lands.

France abolished slavery - 1802 (christian)
Ottoman Empire - 1886 (muslim)

The difference is that slavery stopped from year 100 or something to the discovery of America in the 15th century while it never stopped in islamic world.

And actually that's mainly the wohloff (a early islamized tribe of today Senegal and Malia) who were making raids in Africa to capture slaves. They were making this traditional business for centuries with the arab world.
When the Europeans came on their way to America, the slave traders found there a new market for their products, that's all (you must go South on front of West Africa anyway to catch the Trade Winds and make a stop on front of W. Africa isn't a long way off)
It's not an excuse though.

Btw do you know why there are few blacks in arab world and they are much more numerous is america?
Because in Arab world the slaves were castrated!

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Yes, Christian Europe has been far more bloodthirsty than the Muslim world.

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This is completely laughable. And anyone with half a brain can see it. You only need to read the history (current and in the past) about Islamic expansion to know how full of crap that is.

The Christian world (as you call it) has brought the Magna Carta, the end of slavery (enforced by European blood & treasure), the United Nations and more world aid per year (collectively) than most Muslim countries make in GDP.

The reality is; that Islam, and Islamic states; are barbaric, brutal, despotic, dark age places where women have few rights; where men have very little to no rights themselves; and whose general populace would much prefer to live in a so called "Christian country" (as you yourself .. probably do; off Christian charity - no less)

"Christian Countries" btw, do not actually exist. We had this little thing you might want to read about called "The Age of Enlightenment" and the "Reformation" were Europeans decided that reason and rationality were more important than superstition and as such all religious leaders where no longer allowed to run countries; or be overtly political (it's a taboo).

Unfortunately; Islam, and Muslims in general are now still living in the dark ages, and still profess dark age mentalities; even while they seek and accept western aid, charity and technology in order to amass large populations and enforce their brutalitarian views on their unwitting and generally poorly educated citizenry.

No Majority Muslim country would have anything if it was not for Christianity, and Christian countries furthermore. It was the Europeans who gave Arab's nationalism, who defined their borders and setup their states, who trained their militaries and educated their upper classes, and it remains today a norm; for Arab royalty to educate themselves in European universities; European military academies.. and for them to own summer residences in France and elsewhere.

European Christians have been better for muslims generally.. than Islam; or Islamic leaders themselves ever have.

Look at the middle east before western imperialism for eg. Look at Saudi Arabia before western money and technology (deserted wasteland). Look at Pakistan during British rule (far more free, far more prosperous and far more stable than under any muslim rule). Look at dubai before western money (deserted wasteland).

So before you go and criticise the very people who put the bread in your own mouth; try picking up a book (not that book, try a history book) and turn off the Mad Mullah radio service for a moment; and educate yourself about the real history of Europeans.

You can start by reading about the Anglo-Aro war. Just another occasion where Europeans travelled over the other side of the world and great expense; and sacrificed themselves to the just cause of ending slavery and the wicked African cultist evil of human sacrifice.

It is in fact the west; that is bringing the barbaric Muslims kicking and screaming into the 21st century;

and you don't like that do you?

Don't like my freedom to have the occasion beer do you?

Don't like my freedom to court openly with women, do you?

You just don't like my freedom do you? (wow, maybe Mr Bush isn't so stupid after all)

Well, that's too bad; enjoy oppressing your own people then.. but don't think for a second that the generosity and aid that has been given to you by the west is free; it's not, we expect at least some fealty; that's why any Muslim government that has any brains is our ally. Because to be our enemy means your own economic and political destruction (see Iraq, See Sudan (the Mahdi war) .. I could go on forever).


Imagine for a moment; how the Muslim world would be if Europeans had no Christian morality to hold them back?

I can imagine there being no Muslims, and I can imagine cheap petrol at the gas station and excellent beach front residencies going cheap in Lebanon.

So don't bite the hand that feeds you. Recognise that it's Europeans that you owe a great deal to; and stand with us, to civilise the rest of your barbaric friends.



-- Dee

This thread is ridiculous, but

well, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was very rich country with no association to colonialism. Only colony was Tobago, not directly but via vassal Duchy of Courland.

As to the slavery, what about activity of muslim pirates of XVI-XVIII centuries from Maghreb region (now Mauretania, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia) and aprox. 1-1,5 or even 1,5-2,5 millions of white, christian slaves from coasts of France, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and England sold to north african muslim states? What about muslim tatars - land pirates - in East Europe in XVI-XVII and their infamous tradition of "yasir" with hundreds of thousands or even 1-1,5 milions of white, christian slaves sold to Ottoman Empire and Caucas states? What about examples of todays black christian slaves of muslim Arabs and Touaregs in some northwest African countries? What about genocide of black christians in Darfur by Arab-muslim janjavides? Every coin has two sides.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates

Yes, Christian Europe has been far more bloodthirsty than the Muslim world.

What has made (or makes) the 'Christian World' more 'bloodthirsty' then the Islamic world?

About your nationality, I can understand, though by reading your posts I think I already know where you are from.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

Rzec: I am not trying to vilify any civilization or religion. I am just saying is contrary to the misconception that Islamic history has been bloodier than "Christian" history, that simply is not true.

- Second world war with 57 or so million people dead.
- Holocaust, no such thing similar in Islamic history in the sense of something so calculated, organized, mechanized with ruthless efficiency, a cold-blooded programme of extermination.
- Slave trade.

Even when the Spaniards went to South America they forcibly converted people to Catholicism which is not the same as when the Ottomans conquered the Balkans with millions of Christians still living there now or the hundreds and millions of Muslims in formerly Muslim ruled India.

I am not saying Christendom is evil or the Muslim world is perfect, both have their causes of shame but if you look at it objectively far more people have died due to Europe than the Muslim world.

As for Dee's comment, the guy is obviously an ignorant bigot who didn't even read my posts properly and is just looking for any excuse to insult Islam and Muslims. The guy is a nutcase, when did I say he shouldn't drink beer or any of the above preconceptions or lies he has mentioned. Anyway I won't waste my time talking with some crazy neo-con maniac.

The fact that I'm attacked by both Zionistsdrowning (anti-Christian) and Dee (anti-Muslim) is in my eyes proof that I am doing a good job.

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"Yet again I say what is your point?
From about 1000 to 1400 AD it was the Muslim world which was stronger and more powerful. Did the Ottoman Empire get so big and powerful by being a nice and cuddle. No it did not It did it by the sword.
You seam to view the world in only today siuation, Not in its intiraty. Nations Rise Nations Fall, Empires Rise Empires Fall. Religion has NOTHING to do with it. It just part of culture nothing more."
hahah only 4 centuries? try again. I am not talking about empires here read again.
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Most of the Genicides you talk about were from Illness, which was not deliberate. So the Eurpoe can them Blame Central Asia for the Black Death? The Mongol warriors were catapulting The corpses over the city walls, infecting the inhabitantsof Caffa.
50 to 60% of the Europen population was wipped out."
again false slaves in africa, aborigines african colonies they didnt die to illness they died to european fanaticism. how dare europeans went to different place to disturb the peace low life scum bag worthless trashy nimrods goofing around amoral bastards.
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As i have said was there ANY RICH ccountry with out colonalism or empirial expantion the Answer is NO. East West Nort South we as Humans have been inhuman to each outher since time begain."
answer is YES. youre stupid. the examples are aplenty. even I mentinoed switzerland. however they had links with colonialists murderes killer looters plunderers.
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What were the Moors doing in Spain? The Ottamans in Bosnia? You wish to point out that Europe is unique that only europe were the Impirals. Well you are wroung. The European assent begain with a Technological lead, and a political lead. When outer nation have that NO MATTER THERE LOCATION OR RELIGION they form the bases of an empire.
Oh by the way East Timor is Located in South East Asia, the island of Timor is part of the Malay archipelago. So its not in Europe
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read the posts well. its irrelevant what u said. timor leste is it richest christian country without colonialsm and association (even tho it has oil/gas) or is it ethiopia (they invaded somalia tho)?

"Zionistsdrowning,

Most of what you said in your last post was correct.

Yes, Christian Europe has been far more bloodthirsty than the Muslim world.

In fact even today a few radicals here and there carry out some terrorist attacks and beheadings and so on, but this pales into comparison the killing of Muslims in Chechnya by the Russians, the murder of Muslims in Bosnia and the destruction of every single mosque in Serb-held areas of Bosnia, the invasion of Iraq and the hundreds and thousands of dead.

However the reason why this has happened is because the Muslim world has turned away from Islam and is corrupt. I could go into detail, but this is not exactly a forum for super-intelligent or calm people, so I won't.

Anyway things are and will continue to change.

Though I reiterate what I said in my last post, an undeniable fact, the west is more advanced than the Muslim world now.

@ Rzec: I apologize, I am not keen on talking about my nationality on here due to the fascists (Kemalists, European racists, Neo-Nazis) on here and it just simply economizes my time since instead of inevitably having to respond to flaming against my country, I can talk about the subject matter.

Put it simply, I am a Muslim living in the west who has spent time in the "Muslim" world."

loook mr brit(?) paki this is all too common to make the excuse - moving away from islam caused West to overtake Muslim. well why didnt other regions overtake Muslims? why didnt all the NONMUSLIM countries that NEVER accepted islam to begin with fritter away in annals(!) of history?

simple fact is christian fanatics LOOTED in cold blood genocided mass murdered millions of innocent humans in RESOURCE RICH americas africas australia and they BRED LIKE RABBITS (christians OUTBRED rabbits actually - do you know any warren with 2b rabbits?). muslims shoudlve slaughtered WHOLE EUROPE the americans australian aborigines africans will be eternally grateful for this peaceful gesture. which wouldve helped retained their sanctity.

"Stop crying, we'll be back soon to build railways on your lands.
France abolished slavery - 1802 (christian)
Ottoman Empire - 1886 (muslim)"
what the f*** does this mean? does your mother tell you this?
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The difference is that slavery stopped from year 100 or something to the discovery of America in the 15th century while it never stopped in islamic world."wtf?
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And actually that's mainly the wohloff (a early islamized tribe of today Senegal and Malia) who were making raids in Africa to capture slaves. They were making this traditional business for centuries with the arab world.When the Europeans came on their way to America, the slave traders found there a new market for their products, that's all (you must go South on front of West Africa anyway to catch the Trade Winds and make a stop on front of W. Africa isn't a long way off)
It's not an excuse though."
who makes these utter despicable lies?
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Btw do you know why there are few blacks in arab world and they are much more numerous is america?
Because in Arab world the slaves were castrated!
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wtf what does this have to do with thread even if true (it is PATENTLY FALSE)?

Rzec: I am not trying to vilify any civilization or religion. I am just saying is contrary to the misconception that Islamic history has been bloodier than "Christian" history, that simply is not true.

- Second world war with 57 or so million people dead.
- Holocaust, no such thing similar in Islamic history in the sense of something so calculated, organized, mechanized with ruthless efficiency, a cold-blooded programme of extermination.
- Slave trade.

There is also a misconception Europe is bloodier then the Muslim world. Trying to justify World War Two (a war of atheist ideologies and secular republics) as 'Christian is not fair, even though a good portition of the fighting may have been done by 'Christians' (many of whom themselves may not even be Christian believers)

However, this takes away from the complexities that exist in Europe. Christianity as a faith has been spiralling down for over 300 years in Europe, many are Christian in name only.

You can't for instance compare the holocaust to say the Islamic extermination of Berber Christians during the reign of the Almohad's. These were perpetrated for Islam and Allah, whilst the Holocaust was a calculated racial extermination by an atheist ideology (at best Pagan).

You are better off saying Europeans are bloodier then people X, but this would also be false as there is no 'European' race and many things were done by separate countries that are grouped together to form 'European atrocities'. That is like blaming a Romanian who is Christian and European for the Spanish inquisition. That is as ridiculous as blaming the colonisation and deaths of Christians of North Africa on Iranians because they are from the Middle East and Muslim.

The Slave Trade is definitely not a place Muslims (at least the Middle East Muslims) can speak about, as millions of Europeans as well as Africans were slaves in the Middle East and traded for centuries after the European abolition of slavery.

Even when the Spaniards went to South America they forcibly converted people to Catholicism which is not the same as when the Ottomans conquered the Balkans with millions of Christians still living there now or the hundreds and millions of Muslims in formerly Muslim ruled India.

There are cases of forced conversion, but the majority took on Christianity willingly. The main driving force was the mass plagues accidentally spread on the continent and the thought that priests were curing it (when in fact they were becoming immune) rather then their own shamans.
I pose this to you... How do you propose 30,000 - 50,000 Conquistadors (over 1520-1575), spread over a distance covering Mexico to the Northern tip of Chile, to dozens of Islands, managed to wipe out approximately 30 million native Americans with Sword and Arquebus? Even on a good day, the numbers are immpossible high and even the holocaust with the industrialized process would have struggled.

I am not saying Christendom is evil or the Muslim world is perfect, both have their causes of shame but if you look at it objectively far more people have died due to Europe than the Muslim world.

But how do determine that? Have you gone through each war and counted? Have you judged which wars are Christian and Muslim?

Here is a fact for you. The last wars in Europe based on religion ended after the 30 years war which was 1648. Even then most wars were secular, based mainly on state and nation rather then fighting for God or in the name of the Church.
So how do you judge a Christian war? Christian wars existed fighting Muslim nations maybe, but rarely until the Protestant movement between each other.

Europeans fought and killed as much as any other on this world. But no one looks at it objectively. China alone killed more people within it's own boarders and own civil wars then Europe had as a total before the industrial revolution (maybe even after).

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind us—immensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."

"This is completely laughable. And anyone with half a brain can see it. You only need to read the history (current and in the past) about Islamic expansion to know how full of crap that is."
haha christian expansion in americas africa oceania europe? hahaha.
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The Christian world (as you call it) has brought the Magna Carta, the end of slavery (enforced by European blood & treasure), the United Nations and more world aid per year (collectively) than most Muslim countries make in GDP." United Nations is joke it didnt even invade or punish america for iraq war. christians spend 100 times more on killing than giving aid. muslim countries like saudi provided 60m$ to china for earthquake, USA provided 500k$. ratio of 120:1 . this is true face of christianity.
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The reality is; that Islam, and Islamic states; are barbaric, brutal, despotic, dark age places where women have few rights; where men have very little to no rights themselves; and whose general populace would much prefer to live in a so called "Christian country" (as you yourself .. probably do; off Christian charity - no less)" that 'reality' is as true as me being your father - both are false. i dont know your mother so I cant be your father. muslims taught christian europeans advancement so christians talking about barbarity only tlak about themselves look at their effing history.
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"Christian Countries" btw, do not actually exist. We had this little thing you might want to read about called "The Age of Enlightenment" and the "Reformation" were Europeans decided that reason and rationality were more important than superstition and as such all religious leaders where no longer allowed to run countries; or be overtly political (it's a taboo). "
if they dont exist why do you say "we" and why do you stand up for christians? hahah
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Unfortunately; Islam, and Muslims in general are now still living in the dark ages, and still profess dark age mentalities; even while they seek and accept western aid, charity and technology in order to amass large populations and enforce their brutalitarian views on their unwitting and generally poorly educated citizenry." pathetic. western aid is nothing, they spend 100 times more on military alone. they kill millions of muslims in iraq afghanistan isnt it nice once nuclear weapons start going off in poor christian european countries with no nuclear weapons? hahaha. american economy is tanking.
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No Majority Muslim country would have anything if it was not for Christianity, and Christian countries furthermore. It was the Europeans who gave Arab's nationalism, who defined their borders and setup their states, who trained their militaries and educated their upper classes, and it remains today a norm; for Arab royalty to educate themselves in European universities; European military academies.. and for them to own summer residences in France and elsewhere. " stop lying if not for arab muslims europe will be fvking their own children and eating them for food. well they do that in austria today as well. europeans are just perverted.
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European Christians have been better for muslims generally.. than Islam; or Islamic leaders themselves ever have." who sells these lies?
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Look at the middle east before western imperialism for eg. Look at Saudi Arabia before western money and technology (deserted wasteland). Look at Pakistan during British rule (far more free, far more prosperous and far more stable than under any muslim rule). Look at dubai before western money (deserted wasteland)." before that look at europe, they were always dancing nude they cant stop it now alcohol binge drinking fvking own daughter popes c*ck sucking homosexuality priest children anal pleasure etc.... this is europe.
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So before you go and criticise the very people who put the bread in your own mouth; try picking up a book (not that book, try a history book) and turn off the Mad Mullah radio service for a moment; and educate yourself about the real history of Europeans." hahaha ahahhahahha
hahahhhah
a frigging hypocrite retarded european who whole world hates for colonial misadventures and becoming nonentities everyday with other major powers emerging talks about feeding whole world? how ironic of hypocrites.
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You can start by reading about the Anglo-Aro war. Just another occasion where Europeans travelled over the other side of the world and great expense; and sacrificed themselves to the just cause of ending slavery and the wicked African cultist evil of human sacrifice."hahaha you start by reading anglo empires thats real face hahaha you pwned yourself.
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It is in fact the west; that is bringing the barbaric Muslims kicking and screaming into the 21st century; " it is in fact the west who killing more humans today than rest of world put together who amassed more weapons and developing more than anybody else? they need to be erased every single one of them for betterment of humanity.

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and you don't like that do you?
Don't like my freedom to have the occasion beer do you?
Don't like my freedom to court openly with women, do you?
You just don't like my freedom do you? (wow, maybe Mr Bush isn't so stupid after all)"
you are proving how stupid you are? I dont like you at all now go kill yourself.
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Well, that's too bad; enjoy oppressing your own people then.. but don't think for a second that the generosity and aid that has been given to you by the west is free; it's not, we expect at least some fealty; that's why any Muslim government that has any brains is our ally. Because to be our enemy means your own economic and political destruction (see Iraq, See Sudan (the Mahdi war) .. I could go on forever)."
hahhaha what a stupid person who thinks definition of socially defined variables like opppression good bad generosity etc are constant? pathetic case.
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Imagine for a moment; how the Muslim world would be if Europeans had no Christian morality to hold them back? " europeans would be licking muslims' feet?
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I can imagine there being no Muslims, and I can imagine cheap petrol at the gas station and excellent beach front residencies going cheap in Lebanon." imagination only? reality is europeans woudltn even exist had muslims had a leader like me, i would have ordered eradiction of EVERY SINGLE living european from spain to scandinavia, whole world iwll be relieved.
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So don't bite the hand that feeds you. Recognise that it's Europeans that you owe a great deal to; and stand with us, to civilise the rest of your barbaric friends.
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lol europeans arent my friend, they are barbaric alright. europeans ought to remember who they were before they learnt anything from muslims. they still show barbarity but any more hypocrite fag show and eurozone is burning in flame.

"This thread is ridiculous, but
well, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was very rich country with no association to colonialism. Only colony was Tobago, not directly but via vassal Duchy of Courland." who? they had colonies you say? hahaha

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As to the slavery, what about activity of muslim pirates of XVI-XVIII centuries from Maghreb region (now Mauretania, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia) and aprox. 1-1,5 or even 1,5-2,5 millions of white, christian slaves from coasts of France, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and England sold to north african muslim states? What about muslim tatars - land pirates - in East Europe in XVI-XVII and their infamous tradition of "yasir" with hundreds of thousands or even 1-1,5 milions of white, christian slaves sold to Ottoman Empire and Caucas states? What about examples of todays black christian slaves of muslim Arabs and Touaregs in some northwest African countries? What about genocide of black christians in Darfur by Arab-muslim janjavides? Every coin has two sides.
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stick to point biggest scumbag loser faggots in history european christies made billions of slaves if arabs made millions, stop lying. euroepans KILLED ENTIRE continents something no other entity has done in history.

"There is also a misconception Europe is bloodier then the Muslim world. Trying to justify World War Two (a war of atheist ideologies and secular republics) as 'Christian is not fair, even though a good portition of the fighting may have been done by 'Christians' (many of whom themselves may not even be Christian believers)" who says so? hitler invoked god. uk had god bless the queen EVERY DAMN europe country had christians in it. enough said.
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However, this takes away from the complexities that exist in Europe. Christianity as a faith has been spiralling down for over 300 years in Europe, many are Christian in name only." still they are christians.
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You can't for instance compare the holocaust to say the Islamic extermination of Berber Christians during the reign of the Almohad's. These were perpetrated for Islam and Allah, whilst the Holocaust was a calculated racial extermination by an atheist ideology (at best Pagan)." atheist? hitler invoked god. he was christain.
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You are better off saying Europeans are bloodier then people X, but this would also be false as there is no 'European' race and many things were done by separate countries that are grouped together to form 'European atrocities'. That is like blaming a Romanian who is Christian and European for the Spanish inquisition. That is as ridiculous as blaming the colonisation and deaths of Christians of North Africa on Iranians because they are from the Middle East and Muslim." pathetically saving europeans' backsides? europeans arent the ones making a union? or is it false too? your statements are totally false only to whitewash european crimes bastard criminal warmonger lowlives whohad better be exterminated.
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The Slave Trade is definitely not a place Muslims (at least the Middle East Muslims) can speak about, as millions of Europeans as well as Africans were slaves in the Middle East and traded for centuries after the European abolition of slavery." europeans did much worse much much worse, no entity matched europeans in GENOCIDING ENTIRE CONTINENTS (more than one)

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There are cases of forced conversion, but the majority took on Christianity willingly. The main driving force was the mass plagues accidentally spread on the continent and the thought that priests were curing it (when in fact they were becoming immune) rather then their own shamans. " another false propaganda by fanatic christians, how did african colonies become christian? hahaha

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I pose this to you... How do you propose 30,000 - 50,000 Conquistadors (over 1520-1575), spread over a distance covering Mexico to the Northern tip of Chile, to dozens of Islands, managed to wipe out approximately 30 million native Americans with Sword and Arquebus? Even on a good day, the numbers are immpossible high and even the holocaust with the industrialized process would have struggled." this is criminal.

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But how do determine that? Have you gone through each war and counted? Have you judged which wars are Christian and Muslim?" christianity easily outnumbers entire world in criminality murder loot plundering.
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Here is a fact for you. The last wars in Europe based on religion ended after the 30 years war which was 1648. Even then most wars were secular, based mainly on state and nation rather then fighting for God or in the name of the Church.
So how do you judge a Christian war? Christian wars existed fighting Muslim nations maybe, but rarely until the Protestant movement between each other."
which muslim countries also fighting for religion today? where they are murdering only nonmuslims? if that had happened muslims would havedirected entire divisions to christian subjects or countries?
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Europeans fought and killed as much as any other on this world. But no one looks at it objectively. China alone killed more people within it's own boarders and own civil wars then Europe had as a total before the industrial revolution (maybe even after).
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what a great lie to give a sense of justice to faggot europeans who has no other alternative.

Ok Try New Zealand or Canada

Quote: ... what the f*** does this mean? does your mother tell you this? ... wtf? ... who makes these utter despicable lies? ... wtf what does this have to do with thread even if true (it is PATENTLY FALSE)?

You can say "wtf" as much as you want, all this is perfectly true.

The difference is that you discuss about words you don't like (and bet that you'll be all wet of aver-excitement soon) and I discuss about facts.

However, I don't judge other's culture, it's your problem.

"Ok Try New Zealand or Canada"
who they be? associated with england?

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You can say "wtf" as much as you want, all this is perfectly true."ahaha another joke. wtf? none of it is true just utter lies.
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The difference is that you discuss about words you don't like (and bet that you'll be all wet of aver-excitement soon) and I discuss about facts." you bet? ur a gambler not a reliable commentator im afraid.
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However, I don't judge other's culture, it's your problem." whatever it be europeans are faggots and criminals they had better be wiped out

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However, I don't judge other's culture, it's your problem." whatever it be europeans are faggots and criminals they had better be wiped out


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Try it; you'll just end up getting more ****ed than Iraq. (1.5 million dead and counting).

-- Dee

and Aast Timor is associated with Portugal but you seam to harp on about it.
Name me one rich country witch have not been expoted or exploters in some time in there past

"Try it; you'll just end up getting more ****ed than Iraq. (1.5 million dead and counting)."
so you admit this was murder of innocents? when its tried, you wont have time to react - all of europe glazed. USA economy in tatters? what more is left? muslim countries china russia venezuela you name it all are developing faster than fa**ot countries of USA etc? america is going down the drain faster than their women can shove dildos up all their holes.

"and Aast Timor is associated with Portugal but you seam to harp on about it.
Name me one rich country witch have not been expoted or exploters in some time in there past
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how was timor leste associated with portugal? portuguese looted timor leste got looted.

Name me ONE rich country with out a dodgy impirial past

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Quote: "For someone that says 'live off natural resources' must be born out of a baboons ass" reminds me of european custom. are your family european? your mother specially are they european? hahaha

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"Name me ONE rich country with out a dodgy impirial past" switzerland? UAE? Qatar? etc


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stupid beggar that comment was made BY the mod. I asked if he and his family are european. understood that freaking beggar I just cant fathom what a monkey fvcking beggar rat infested administered forum this must be to have beggar indians admins, christian fanaics, sinkyporeans with english names

Switzerland? Oh I am sorry 15BC became Roman. The area of Switzerland proper was incorporated to the Frankish Empire in the 530s, and the part of the Holy Roman Empire.
By 1460, the confederates controlled most of the territory south and west of the Rhine to the Alps and the Jura mountains. At the end of the fifteenth century, two wars resulted in an expansion to thirteen cantons.
Oh and they bank roled most of Europe, where do ou think the NAZI banked?

UAE? Before 1971, the UAE were known as the Trucial States or Trucial Oman, in reference to a nineteenth-century truce between Britain and several Arab Sheikhs. The name Pirate Coast has also been used in reference to the area's emirates in the 18th to early 20th century. WHOOPS
The United Arab Emirates was formed from tribally organized Arabian Peninsula sheikhdoms along the southern coast of the Persian Gulf and the northwestern coast of the Gulf of Oman. The area became Islamic in the 7th century.
Later, portions of the nation came under the direct influence of the Ottoman Empire during the 16th century. Thereafter the region was known as the Pirate Coast, as raiders based there harassed the shipping industry despite both European and Arab navies patrolling the area from the 17th century into the 19th century.

Qatar. Well During the pre-Islamic era, the peninsula was often dominated by various Persian dynasties, the last of which (the Sasanians) included the Qatar peninsula. In the Islamic era, Qatar was one of the earliest locales occupied by the Muslims. Qarmatians arrived in the area very early during the Islamic era and spread their influence widely. In 1843,Shaikh Isa Bin Tarif and his tribe Al Bin Ali, moved to the town of Al-Bida ( Known today as Al Doha ) and re established it after the removal of the Al-Sudan Tribe from it. Remove what a nice euphemism. Occupation of Qatar by the Ottoman Turks in 1872.Independence from the United Kingdom September 3, 1971.

As I said all Rich places have a dodge past. And Yet again you still have not made you point Clear, 'cos If you are say only European or Christans are nasty you are just plan wroung.

Was there EVER ANY European/Christian country without colonial history and association to it?

The only one without colonial history I can remember is Timor Leste? It has oil and gas too. Is this REAL chritie economie without colonialism looting murdering genocide freakng retrdedness?

Is there/ was there EVER a genuinely rich euro christie or other christie society without ASSOCIATION to those looter b@stards or without looting murdering killing genocidal history?

I know they cant have a SINGLE country run without natural resources that's how frail their economies are. Now I want to know without history of looting cheating stealing banditry barbarical nudity behaviour will they be any different to
Timor Leste?

hahahaha
never mate. none. ALL of them colonized stole money riches and plundered. this is bare truth. fiction removed, facts retained.

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Bhangees

Bhangees have the world's largest democracy, the world's largest number of poor people, largest number of illiterates, largest number of hungry, world leader in urine therapy(drinking own urine),most prostitutes, longest uninterrupted history of military defeats at hands of foreigners, being ruled by foreigners even today, most of its legal, education, military, scientific, technological, entertainment, sport and other fields of endeavour being shaped by its most recent master of 200 years - UK! India was the most loyal of britain's servants and had sent millions of 'volunteer' (servants) to serve her master Britain, and many thousand Indians died to please her master UK. This is nation of Gandhis that now wields million 'weak' armed forces and nukes, despite the above FACTS! World's largest democracy in action!

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Switzerland? Oh I am sorry 15BC became Roman. The area of Switzerland proper was incorporated to the Frankish Empire in the 530s, and the part of the Holy Roman Empire.
By 1460, the confederates controlled most of the territory south and west of the Rhine to the Alps and the Jura mountains. At the end of the fifteenth century, two wars resulted in an expansion to thirteen cantons.
Oh and they bank roled most of Europe, where do ou think the NAZI banked?"
CHRISTIANS ARE STUPID I KILL THEM GET REVENGE FOR MURDER OF BILLION PEOPLE IN WORLD!
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UAE? Before 1971, the UAE were known as the Trucial States or Trucial Oman, in reference to a nineteenth-century truce between Britain and several Arab Sheikhs. The name Pirate Coast has also been used in reference to the area's emirates in the 18th to early 20th century. WHOOPS
The United Arab Emirates was formed from tribally organized Arabian Peninsula sheikhdoms along the southern coast of the Persian Gulf and the northwestern coast of the Gulf of Oman. The area became Islamic in the 7th century.
Later, portions of the nation came under the direct influence of the Ottoman Empire during the 16th century. Thereafter the region was known as the Pirate Coast, as raiders based there harassed the shipping industry despite both European and Arab navies patrolling the area from the 17th century into the 19th century.

Qatar. Well During the pre-Islamic era, the peninsula was often dominated by various Persian dynasties, the last of which (the Sasanians) included the Qatar peninsula. In the Islamic era, Qatar was one of the earliest locales occupied by the Muslims. Qarmatians arrived in the area very early during the Islamic era and spread their influence widely. In 1843,Shaikh Isa Bin Tarif and his tribe Al Bin Ali, moved to the town of Al-Bida ( Known today as Al Doha ) and re established it after the removal of the Al-Sudan Tribe from it. Remove what a nice euphemism. Occupation of Qatar by the Ottoman Turks in 1872.Independence from the United Kingdom September 3, 1971.

As I said all Rich places have a dodge past. And Yet again you still have not made you point Clear, 'cos If you are say only European or Christans are nasty you are just plan wroung.
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QATAR OR UAE DONT TARNISH THEIR NAME YOU CHRISTIAN SCUM get lost to svcking popes

europe is dead america is sinking christianity is finished. they will be killed.

"QATAR OR UAE DONT TARNISH THEIR NAME YOU CHRISTIAN SCUM get lost to svcking popes"

What a well constructed argument, gosh I may have rethink my potion.....not.

Untill You understad No Nation is clean and without sin how do you think that people will advance. No Rich nation has ever existed which has not expoleted others.

"What a well constructed argument, gosh I may have rethink my potion.....not."
you take medicine any you want, why does this matter? take any potion you want.

"Untill You understad No Nation is clean and without sin how do you think that people will advance. No Rich nation has ever existed which has not expoleted others. "
but UAE Qatar are rich not because they are colonial power who stole riches killed murdered colonized plundered foreign countries. they are rich from their own resources. hard work planning harsh desert environment all contributed.

But you fail to get that the UAE were a bunch of pireats, not very good one, but pirets none the less. So its OK to be bad pirates is it?

UAE was rich because they were pirates? lol