LONDON - A man accused of involving two teenage boys in self-flagellation as part of a Muslim religious ritual was convicted of child cruelty Wednesday.

British prosecutors said it was the first time anyone in England had been tried for allegedly making children flog themselves, a practice used by some Shiite Muslims use to mark Ashoura, commemorating the seventh century death of the Prophet Muhammad's grandson Imam Hussein.

Prosecutors said Syed Mustafa Zaidi, 44, forced the teens to flog themselves at a Muslim community center in the northern English city of Manchester on Jan. 19. The flail they used carried small blades attached by chains that left superficial lacerations on their backs.

Zaidi told Manchester Crown Court that the children — 13 and 15 at the time — had asked to participate. "No one forced anyone," he said.

The jury took less than three hours to convict him of two counts of child cruelty. Sentencing was set for next month.

The participation of adolescents in such rites is "very standard," according to Frank Korom, an associate professor of religion at Boston University — although he noted that in Europe and North America self-flagellation was virtually unheard of.

British prosecutors said the law barred children under 16 from harming themselves, even willingly.

Safdar Zia, the general secretary of the Jaffria Islamic Center in Manchester, said the case had focused the Shiite community's attention on child cruelty laws.

"We cannot eliminate this practice (self-flagellation), but we can and will work to a code of practice so that the children don't get hurt, the law isn't broken, and the people who do want to take part don't get prosecuted," Zia said.

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stupid nudiyt persons making stupid news items using false media tools

if christians are making nudity drunk drugged orgy and msulims banned it they cry foul. now they also cry foul when they ban muslims practice. its typical of pope priest penetration children backside fellation jung le culture persons.

Zaidi told Manchester Crown Court that the children — 13 and 15 at the time — had asked to participate. "No one forced anyone," he said.

...British prosecutors said the law barred children under 16 from harming themselves, even willingly.TEXT

It may be well and good as a religious practice in certain cultures to do such stuff, but it is against British law. If you have a problem with that, then don't live in Britain.

Jehovah's witnesses get into trouble from time to time for refusing blood transfusions for their children. The state says "that's nice" then takes the kid away and gives him a blood transfusion.

Same principles apply here.

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News correct ur title plz


Its a SHIITE cermoney NOT a MUSLIM one...


UNDERSTAND...


most of the 1.4 billion muslims who r sunni, r against such a ritual...


the minority muslim shia in iran do such cermonies not MUSLIMS..


i am a devout muslim and trust me i dnt do such things, hell im against such acts as r most muslims (who r sunni)


its a shiite cermony not a muslim one, Ramadan can be called a muslim ceromony because ALL muslims do this...however with this carmoney its UNIQUE to shias alone...





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So Shiites are not Muslims?

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it is a shiite thing I bet, and yes they are muslims too. This is yet again more proof of how outdated religion is.



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The jury took less than three hours to convict him of two counts of child cruelty. Sentencing was set for next month.
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This should have taken less than 30 seconds, what kind of moron makes or even lets children flog them self with blades and chains?

I think him and his family should have been deported rather then convicted.

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''So Shiites are not Muslims?''


do i really hav to break it down for you???


the CERMONY is not MUSLIM as its only unique to the shiite sect, ONLY SHIITES PRACTICE THIS CERMONY OF SELF HARM (a few christian catholics do it aswell, self punishment or somthing weird)


BUT



It is incorrect ot phrase it as a 'muslim' cermonuy, as its not believed to be islamic by the majoprit 1.4 billion muslim sunnis... only a minority sect of islam believe in this cermony, and even a smaller minority actually carry it out...


thus its not an ISLAMIC cermony, its a Shiite cermony, invented by the shiites, (as it was never doen by the prophet or his companions it was invented cermony which came many years after their deaths)

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"what kind of moron makes or even lets children flog them self with blades and chains?"

a religious moron



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Extremists are the virus of this planet, no matter what the hell they believe in.

We need to get rid of all of them, unfortunately people who would agree on this statement
are somewhat "extremists" themselves also

cheers for clearing that up swed680, i hate generalisation myself ..... it's like dumb yanks coming to my country (Scotland) and saying how nice it is to be in England they think because Scotland is part of the UK (3 years more before we decide if we want to be part of UK anymore) they automatically think we are English

your contry is scotland then? Which branch of the armed forces did you serve in?



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