Russia Explains Its Plan Of Conquest
September 4, 2008: Russia has proclaimed five strategic operating principles for how it will operate in the future. First, Russia observes international law. Second, it rejects U.S. dominance of world affairs in what it calls a unipolar world. Next, it seeks friendly relations with other nations. Fourth, it will defend Russian citizens and business interests abroad. And fifth, it claims its own sphere of influence in the world.
The idea of obeying international law would be commendable if Russia hadn't just invaded Georgia in August and asserted it was going to annex the Georgian separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Its cloak for the Georgian operation was to prevent "genocide" in the two regions. This shifted any blame of international law violation to the Georgian government.
Such Russian doublespeak continued with its insistence that it seeks friendly relations with other nations. Such Russian platitudes reminds one of the constitution of the former Soviet Union. To a reader who didn't know about Soviet terror against its citizens, it might look just like the American Constitution wrapped in extra flowers of freedom.
The old Soviet Constitution guaranteed freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly and the right to religious belief and worship. In addition, the constitution provided for freedom of artistic work, protection of the family, inviolability of the person and home, and the right to privacy. The document also granted the rights to work, rest and leisure, health protection, care in old age and sickness, housing, education, and cultural benefits. Of course it was all a sham. And it sprang from the same source as Russia's twenty-first century operating principles -- the Russian capital of Moscow.
Americans might accept Russia's right to defend its citizens and business interests if the Russian policy wasn't coupled with a direct threat against American dominance on the world scene, and a statement by the Russian president that Russia reserves the right of privileged interests in nations within its sphere of influence, which it does not restrict to border states.
The best that can be said about Russia's five points is that at least the West has been warned.
On September 1, the leaders of the 27 European Union (EU) nations ended a three-hour special summit, and declared that relations with Moscow were at a crossroads because of Russia's invasion of Georgia. Despite pressure from Poland and other former Soviet bloc nations, the EU countries made no mention of diplomatic or economic sanctions against Russia. NATO also has dithered from the beginning. And the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have left America's armed forces too extended to move combat troops into Georgia. Because the United States and the world bodies are speaking in whimpers, the past is peeking over our shoulders and breathing heavily into our ears. It is reminding us of 1938 when the UK Prime Minister announced "peace for our time," while the Nazi army was carrying out his own strategic operating principles by overrunning Europe. -- Fred Edwards
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
Americans really need to mind their own business. Russia's "violation" of international law isn't any worse than that of the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Хвали́лся чёрт всем ми́ром владе́ть, а Бог ему́ и над свиньёй не дал вла́сти. The devil boasted about ruling the whole world, but God didn't give him power even over the pig. -Russian Proverb
My, that's certainly a convincing argument. Our crimes are no worse than yours so leave so alone so that we can make them worse. No Russian should talk about Afghanistan, ever.
Provost
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
My, that's certainly a convincing argument. Our crimes are no worse than yours so leave so alone so that we can make them worse. No Russian should talk about Afghanistan, ever.
Provost
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
Mike Papa, do you struggle to alternate between being vapid and emtpy while still being arrogant and smug, or is it just your natural character shining? (When you actually comment instead of copy and paste bombing articles not very worthy of much notice.)
Mike Papa, do you struggle to alternate between being vapid and emtpy while still being arrogant and smug, or is it just your natural character shining? (When you actually comment instead of copy and paste bombing articles not very worthy of much notice.)
It's no struggle at all, Nike. In view of your comments, you obviously know vapid and empty when you see them. His argument is flawed and Russians should, never, comment on anyone's conduct in war. Their conduct in Afghanistan and then Chechnya and now Georgia. If the US killed everyone with whom they came in contact, they couldn't hope to challenge the Russians in barbarism. If that observation is arrogant and smug, so be it.
Provost
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
Americans really need to mind their own business. Russia's "violation" of international law isn't any worse than that of the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I'll grant you Iraq, but as Provost said, just because 'they' get to do it, so do we... that's just not how it works. For small children perhaps, but not sane adults.
As for Afghanistan... The Soviets singlehandedly invaded that nation as opposed to a UN-supported action by a coaltion of troops. Yeah... practically the same thing...
To be fair to the Russians, they are probably doing exactly what is needed to win.
Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind usimmensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
An interesting statement, Rzecz. Probably true. So long as victory is the only criteria, I'm sure it's true. Russians, however, should never talk about any civilians killed by Americans. They are, at best, indifferent to civilians casualties and at worst encourage them so to discourage others from rebelling.
Provost
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
"Americans might accept Russia's right to defend its citizens and business interests if the Russian policy wasn't coupled with a direct threat against American dominance on the world scene"
this statement alone is not enough proof of logical consistency of fat persons countries?
they are plain idiots
do russian president and PM care about american acceptance of russian action? russia is a resurgent superpower and it'll act in accordance with civiity its culture international law and common sense, aspects that are missing in cowboy and obesity countries
Iraq was invaded by usa and it now pretends to 'saint' even fvking nonamerican western christofasctist murderous lewd personns keep licking their boots? 1m + civilians killed in iraq by usa; russians did nothing to georgia conflict over in 5 days, in more than 5 years conflict still isnt over in iraq mate yankees were born idiots what about the rest of its bootlicking contingent?
and it'll act in accordance with civiity its culture international law and common sense,
And yet neither of these criteria were met when they invaded Georgia..., well, it's culture perhaps, but in intertional law, that factor doesn't mean anything.
An interesting statement, Rzecz. Probably true. So long as victory is the only criteria, I'm sure it's true. Russians, however, should never talk about any civilians killed by Americans. They are, at best, indifferent to civilians casualties and at worst encourage them so to discourage others from rebelling.
But as the ancient saying goes "To do a small evil for a greater good".
Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind usimmensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
"But as the ancient saying goes "To do a small evil for a greater good"."
Or as the Nazis and every other group doing bad in the name of good have said: "The end justifies the means."
Sorry, Rzecz, that's never been my mantra.
Provost
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
"And yet neither of these criteria were met when they invaded Georgia..., well, it's culture perhaps, but in intertional law, that factor doesn't mean anything."
mate the puppet georgian president was basing USA terrorist weapons zionazi training equipment and encircling great russian federation its our muslims brothers
country amazing talent on display
USA UK anglo zionazi christofascist murderous ploys must be thwarted
"President Medvedev says Russians still regard Georgians as brothers
16:30 | 07/ 09/ 2008
MOSCOW, September 7 (RIA Novosti) - President Dmitry Medvedev said on Sunday that Russia has not changed its warm and brotherly attitude toward the Georgian people after Tbilisi's recent attack on South Ossetia.
"We still have brotherly attitude toward the Georgian people and nothing could have shattered these feelings," Medvedev said at the opening of a new subway station in Moscow.
Russia and Georgia fought a brief war after Tbilisi launched in early August an attack aimed at bringing the breakaway pro-Russian region of South Ossetia back under its control. Russia's operation to "force Georgia to peace" was criticized in the West as excessive.
"History will judge the crimes committed by the current Georgian leadership, but our attitude toward the people of Georgia will always remain the most warm and brotherly," the president said.
Speaking at the same ceremony, Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov pointed out that there were many Georgian-born members of the construction team involved in building the new Slavyansky Bulevard subway station, including a chief engineer, a general director and a tunnel supervisor.
"We regret the recent and unexpected spat between Russia and Georgia, which was solely caused by the Georgian leadership," he said, adding that Georgia's president Mikheil Saakashvili deserved a trial at an international tribunal and condemnation by all humanity.
"
such magnanimity is sign of resurgent russian federation its a powerhosue of world industry military science sports etc amazing talents
Could you say the Nazi's used a small evil or maybe a large evil? Could you even say they ever set out to do a greater good?
Maybe within perception of a isolated few.
I'm surprised you do not believe in the saying. You after all are an avid supporter of American foreign policy, which is almost wholly built on the saying.
Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind usimmensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
both nations have shown extreme forms of savagry.... atleast russia is honest on how they deal with nations, striaght talkers, not decpetive.. whereas west hides behind champions of human rights and still kill millions, i.e. korea, vietnam, iraq ,..... and russia in afghanistan
This message has been edited by salmankhan420 on Sep 8, 2008 8:29 PM
lol, US is hard at work trying to change history. Lets not forget who started the conflict it wasnt the Russians it was the Georgians under direct US/Israeli support. Complain all you want but what Russia did was no different than what NATO did with Kosovo.
I understand that US lost face here, but come on! can you try to be a tad bit more believable when you try to defend international law? please!? since when did US respect international law rofl. Guantanamo, Iraq I could go on...
Lets not forget who started the conflict it wasnt the Russians it was the Georgians under direct US/Israeli support.
The Georgians started the conflict by attempting to reassert its sovereignty over a region that sought to secede? A region that was internationally recognized as a part of Georgia? If Russian was right in Chechnya, then clearly Georgia was equally right in South Ossetia.
Complain all you want but what Russia did was no different than what NATO did with Kosovo.
Assuming this is the case, then Georgia did nothing more than take the Serbian position, a position supported by Russia.
I understand that US lost face here, but come on!
You may understand that. I dont.
can you try to be a tad bit more believable when you try to defend international law? please!?
Whose defending international law?
since when did US respect international law rofl. Guantanamo, Iraq I could go on...
Yes, you could. May one ask though how its relevant to the discussion? What Russia seems to be saying here is that they should have the right to do what it condemned the West for doing in Kosovo. Hardly a principled stand. Obviously, they are following not international law nor even what they claim to think it should be, its just what is in our interests at this moment. Is that what you are arguing should be the rule? If so, then you should be complaining about Iraq, Afghanistan nor, frankly, anything else the US has done or does, up to and including attacking Iran.
Provost
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
Could you say the Nazi's used a small evil or maybe a large evil? Could you even say they ever set out to do a greater good?
I could not. There were those in Germany who certainly might though.
Maybe within perception of a isolated few.
Well, there were a bunch of Germans at the time that seemed to think that.
I'm surprised you do not believe in the saying. You after all are an avid supporter of American foreign policy, which is almost wholly built on the saying.
Thats certainly an opinion.
Provost
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
I could not. There were those in Germany who certainly might though.
Does 10% of the population equal the majority?
Well, there were a bunch of Germans at the time that seemed to think that.
There was a bunch of Americans that thought the same thing. Now today you have the United States.
Thats certainly an opinion.
One that can be substantiated
Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind usimmensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."
"Good thing this wasn't an argument between 1775 and 1783 eh? Or, how about 1861 - 1865?"
It was an argument, Taurkon, hence both wars. You really should think before you speak.
Provost
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
Yes, Taurkon, you are so far above my head in your comments. My, I am impressed. Honest. I really mean it.
Provost
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
Actually, Taurkon, I dance exceedingly poorly. I will say though, due to my ethnic background, I'm partial to waltzes and polka music, though I don't dance polka. You see, Taurkon, I am ever so white. I have virtually no rhythm.
Provost
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
as i have already said during the past a pimp is a pimp no matter what his nationality may be, all these years we have been subjected under the pimping of United States which is bad, now Russia wants to gain her former "glories" and become the second pimp on the chessboard however if she wants to do so she should first beat the well established pimp first
I say let the pimps devour each other and peace might come to humanity (although I find it difficult judging from the stupidity of the nations )
ODYSSEUS KILLING THE SUITORS
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