No wonder Germans are increasingly wary of the mission in Afghanistan: Since the start of the Afghanistan mission, 28 German soldiers have been killed; that's a small figure compared with the U.S. (580) or British (116) death toll, but for a country that had its first post-World War II fighting experience in 1998, when a handful of German bombers took part in NATO's Balkans campaign, it poses a significant public problem.
by Stefan Nicola
Berlin (UPI) Sep 3, 2008
The security situation in Afghanistan's northern provinces and around Kabul has deteriorated, which means trouble for the roughly 3,500 German soldiers stationed there.
The situation in Afghanistan's northern provinces is tense: Last week two cars approached a roadblock secured by German Bundeswehr troops. A pair of soldiers stopped both cars with laser pointers and fired warning shots. All of a sudden, one car accelerated and started heading for the roadblock. After a series of warning shots, the German soldiers, expecting a terrorist attack, fired into the car, killing three people inside -- a woman and two children.
This is the official account by German authorities of an incident that happened Thursday near Kunduz, in northern Afghanistan. It could be a sign that nerves are shot with German soldiers, who, once in charge of a relatively harmless region, are now securing provinces where the Taliban has regrouped and increasingly become a serious threat to ISAF troops.
Before and after the roadblock incident, a series of terrorist attacks targeted Germans in northern Afghanistan.
Three weeks ago three German troops were severely injured in a terrorist attack.
On Aug. 22 a group of insurgents attacked a German patrol near Fayzabad, but the Germans were able to ward off the ambush, killing one terrorist.
On Aug. 27 one German soldier was killed and three injured when a Bundeswehr convoy of eight vehicles was bombed near Mazar-i-Sharif. It was the first German casualty in Afghanistan in more than a year.
Insurgents attacked German patrols twice again, on Aug. 31 and Sept. 1, both times near Kunduz, but no one was injured.
No wonder Germans are increasingly wary of the mission in Afghanistan: Since the start of the Afghanistan mission, 28 German soldiers have been killed; that's a small figure compared with the U.S. (580) or British (116) death toll, but for a country that had its first post-World War II fighting experience in 1998, when a handful of German bombers took part in NATO's Balkans campaign, it poses a significant public problem.
The German contribution to ISAF is up for parliamentary renewal in October, and parts of the opposition have long called for Germany to pull out its troops. The increasingly volatile security situation hands the opposition further arguments.
Of course German Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung doesn't see it that way. While he admits that the security situation in northern Afghanistan has "deteriorated," Jung is a strong proponent of Germany's Afghanistan mission, and he has the backing of German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
On Tuesday Jung in a surprise visit traveled to Afghanistan to meet with soldiers on the ground and get a firsthand update on the situation in Kunduz, Mazar-i-Sharif and Kabul, where the German are stationed.
Kabul is being increasingly threatened by the Taliban, who are apparently closing in on the capital, according to observers' statements.
On Aug. 18-19, a group of insurgents attacked a French military unit in the Surubi district of Kabul province, killing 10 and wounding 21. The proximity of such a major Taliban operation to the capital has officials concerned.
The German defense minister has advocated beefing up the German mandate from 3,500 to 4,500 troops to help defeat the Taliban and prevent the country from becoming a safe haven for terrorists once again.
That's why by securing Afghanistan, the Bundeswehr is also securing Germany, Jung was quoted as saying by German daily Die Welt. He added that the increased number of terrorist attacks was geared at influencing the German parliamentary decision this fall -- that's why he was "shocked by those who are now calling to pull out from Afghanistan."
Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan 'Press On' has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.
Calvin Coolidge, President of the United States 1924-1929
^^faggotry persons germans DIED its indeed good work alhamdulillah if our brother iran says its enough lets supply our persian speaking muslim brothers of afghanistan weapons education technology to kill the infidiel looters ugly faggotry persons thats end of it
^^faggotry persons germans DIED its indeed good work alhamdulillah if our brother iran says its enough lets supply our persian speaking muslim brothers of afghanistan weapons education technology to kill the infidiel looters ugly faggotry persons thats end of it
"I dont see a sense or goal in our afghanistan mission at all btw. we should ethnical cleansing afghanistan and then make it a giant nature park.
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you should ask your american masters for permission lol
being a slave how does it feel to serve your american masters orders and watching hollywood movies dancing to american tunes lol faggotry euros homos lol
"In 90 % of the cases, German Armor is victorious and the remains of the attacker are fed to the dogs "
mate no body is supplying afghans enough weapons thats what i had mentioned had iran stepped up or pakistan or combination of muslim countries say enough with euros faggotry lets eliminate them,
we can say a lot of coffins will be going to germany soon lol
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/2/80440.shtml
"Red Army Raped Every German Woman, Says Author
Dave Eberhart, NewsMax
Thursday, May 2, 2002
"They raped every German female from eight to 80," says Antony Beevor, author of the newly released "Berlin: The Downfall 1945."
Beevor describes how Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty. It was an army of rapists."
"The subject of the Red Army’s mass rapes in Germany has been so repressed in Russia that even today veterans refuse to acknowledge what really happened," says Beevor.
The author describes how the German women learned to disappear during the "hunting hours" of the evening. Young daughters were hidden in storage lofts for days on end. Mothers emerged into the street to fetch water only in the early morning when Soviet soldiers were sleeping off the alcohol from the night before.
Remembering the Screams
"Sometimes the greatest danger came from one mother giving away the hiding places of other girls in a desperate bid to save her own daughter. Older Berliners still remember the screams every night," Beevor describes.
Beevor estimates that rape victims from Berlin's two main hospitals ranged from 95,000 to 130,000, one doctor deducing that out of approximately 100,000 women raped in the city, some 10,000 died as a result, mostly from suicide.
"The death rate was thought to have been much higher among the 1.4 million estimated victims in East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia," Beevor says, maintaining that at least 2 million German women are thought to have been raped, and a substantial minority, if not a majority, appearing to have suffered multiple rape.
In Berlin, says Beevor, many women were simply not prepared for the shock of Russian revenge, however much horror propaganda they had heard from Goebbels. Many reassured themselves that, although the danger must be great out in the countryside, mass rapes could hardly take place in the city in front of everybody.
Trying to Explain
Attempting to explain the grisly phenomenon, Beevor suggests that ill-educated Red Army soldiers suffered from sexual ignorance and utterly unenlightened attitudes toward women – fostered by the Soviet state's attempts to suppress the libido of its people.
Beevor suggests that this ignorance "combined with the dehumanizing influence of modern propaganda and the atavistic, warring impulses of men marked by fear and suffering."
And the author maintains that rape victims were not just Germans. Polish women also suffered. So did young Russian, Belorussian and Ukrainian women who had been sent back to Germany by the Wehrmacht for slave labor.
Beevor surmises that the rape of Soviet women and girls seriously undermines Russian attempts to justify Red Army behavior on the grounds of revenge for German brutality in the Soviet Union.
The author concludes, "If anything, the events of 1945 reveal how thin the veneer of civilization can be when there is little fear of retribution. It also suggests a much darker side to male sexuality than we might care to admit."
aren't you from east germany ? mate why don't you check up on your ancestry just a wise suggestion
And Soviet victry was only possible by alliing themselfs with USA and 93 other Nations,,,Otherwise there would be a stalemate or something...No nation couldew beaten Germany allone at the Time.
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Then what will small Iraq,Afganistan or some 3 world country doo against Germany wich is among the top most advanced countrys on earth and contributed to science and culture so much you can only dream off ewer achiving.On top of that whole Eu will get involved...
there is no such thing as an islamist this is a way overused term it applys more to the mideast hamas etc not the taliban they are a different kind of beast who's ideology pre dates modern political islam by about a hundred years
Germans arent even getting the oil from this, if Germans want to fight they should help Russia clear our the caucaus to get more oil from there to Europe. Afghanistan isnt their war, stop wasting money there, at least when Russia fought Georgia we didnt force any CIS members to join us.
My point is that the Germans should not be fighting a war they have little to do with, for the most part there is virtually no threat to Germans. They dont need the US for protection since they already have a strong military, and no need to create new enemies in Afghanistan and Iraq either. Plus sh1tty ROE make the job of your soldiers there even more difficult.
The Taliban gave Al-Quaida shelter and are the biggest drug dealers in the world. Thats enough reason to send some thousands soldiers there and kill some drugdealers. Whats wrong with that ?
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A German Soldier doesnt die, he goes to hell and regroups !
Quote:Well Than your fighting the wrong enemy. Instead of afghans go for Saudi's.
Amen to that bro! They keep LEGITIMIZING terrorist states as KSA and Pakistan then wonder where all this terrorism is coming from!
@Schlawa...don't try to represnt this as Germany's struggle! we all know it's not! You've got nothing to do in Afghanistan neither can u care less! U want to save urself from Terrorism? deal with the millions of muslim extremist ur letting into europe every year.
There isn't any Western European nation left with a muslim community of less than a few million.
You keep providing them with every tool needed to spread their hate under the fake understanding of "human rights", then wonder how the hell are they reaching targets within Europe!
In the Netherlands there are ppl of high positions as Ministers who are being threathened by Muslim Extremists living within netherlands just bcoz they critisize "abuse of women" in muslim countries...If u gave them enough power to start threathening ministers...how the hell are u gonna protect the ordinary ppl.
You wanna fight terrorism? Start by cleaning up ur own countries from terrorists, change the regime in KSA, deal with pakistan's nuclear arsenal!
On 1 hand you talk about fighting terrorism...on the other ur govt had a role in creating yet another muslim country (Kosovo) in the heart of Europe! Where do u thing the terrorists who will strike Europe will start to set off in the near future?!
You gave them a country in the heart of Europe & ur talking about fighting terrorism?
I always thought the Germans were the smartest of the Europeans! now i can see some are nothing but US's lapdog...they bark the same s.h.i.t they hear on CNN everday!
don't try to represnt this as Germany's struggle! we all know it's not!
Those freaky ****ers attacked a German Ally, operating from a base in Afghanistan. And can you tell me what ****ing Osama Bin Laden has to do with Palestine ? Still he dug in in a foreign country controlled by religios junkies and started his crazy Terror War. Im not in favor of many things the United States have done and I have never supported their Iraqi campaign, but rebuilding Afghanistan and getting it out of the hand of plain drugged murderers is not wrong. They have declared War on us, not the other Way round.
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@schlawa...i didn't mention anything about palestine...nice try! if u don't have an answer simpley don't answer rather than claim things i didn't say!
BTW claiming tht u attacked afghanistan jst bcoz ur ally was under attack proves on of the 2 following things:
1. Either u dont have a clue about what's going on in this world
2. or ur one of those ppl who lack a mind of their own so they repeat in forums whtever they hear on TV.
@Ger_mark...i highly doubt Germany's ability to take any serious steps in anything without the prior consent of the US...
i'm sorry bro! but this is the truth about Germany after WWII! I really hope it'll change one day! but the matter of the fact is german military cannot step a foot outside Germany, neither engage in serious military operations without a green light from US (ur ally as ur friend described it)
@schlawa...i didn't mention anything about palestine...nice try! if u don't have an answer simpley don't answer rather than claim things i didn't say!
BTW claiming tht u attacked afghanistan jst bcoz ur ally was under attack proves on of the 2 following things:
1. Either u dont have a clue about what's going on in this world
2. or ur one of those ppl who lack a mind of their own so they repeat in forums whtever they hear on TV.
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1. Germany is fighting against a Terror Organisation that has attacked a German Ally, claiming: 1. That the United States support a "Terror-Campaign" against Palestine, and the US Troops stationed in Saudi Arabia. (And of course because Osama has a stick in his ass and doesnt like freedom, women, booze, music, etc.)
2. No, I have no doubt that Al-Quaida carried out the Terror attacks of Sep.11, but maybe you know more than me. PS: If you want to tell me that the US attacked their own country just to start the Iraq War your nuts.
"1. Either u dont have a clue about what's going on in this world
2. or ur one of those ppl who lack a mind of their own so they repeat in forums whtever they hear on TV."
The only reason for beeing there is help of the US, and help of the Afghan People. And everything else you make up in your crazy Russkie mind.
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Quote:claiming: 1. That the United States support a "Terror-Campaign" against Palestine, and the US Troops stationed in Saudi Arabia.(
Quote:No, I have no doubt that Al-Quaida carried out the Terror attacks of Sep.11, but maybe you know more than me. PS: If you want to tell me that the US attacked their own country just to start the Iraq War your nuts
Either ur mistaking me for Kavkazborz! or u still haven't leared how to read properly!
BTW where are u coming up with this palestine s.h.i.t? no one spoke of palestine!
How old are u? 14-15?
& i'm not Russian...once again i advise u to start taking english lessons to stop making an arse of urself!
Quote:@Ger_mark...i highly doubt Germany's ability to take any serious steps in anything without the prior consent of the US...
i'm sorry bro! but this is the truth about Germany after WWII! I really hope it'll change one day! but the matter of the fact is german military cannot step a foot outside Germany, neither engage in serious military operations without a green light from US (ur ally as ur friend described it)
Germany has currently very few troops abroad. Only 6000 allover the world. 3500 of them in Afghanistan. Soon 4500. Bosnian mission is already over and so is Kosovo. Within the last 10 years German army has changed their structures from a pure defensive to an intervention army. Few years ago we had 12.000 men abroad at the same time and it was the absolut limit. Today after the reform has finished we can maintain up to 14.000 troops for stabilisation worldwide on up to 5 sports at the same time.
The Intervention forces have another 35.000 men who only participate with 250 men in Afghanistan. These are the real heavily armed parts of our army for real combat. Right now Germany is the NATO country with the largest available recources.
So if it is needed Germany could send another 10k troops to Afghanistan within a relatively short time.
Why should Germany start a war without the US? Theres no need for Germany to do so.
Quote:Your trying to take the crown of forum idiot from christiankiller
Actually u beat me in that! when ur not able to respond just shut up...and tht'll do!
@Ger_mark
I never doubted Germany's ability to engage in operations outside Germany! i merely suggested that Germany cannot take any military steps without US's consent!
Now, as to why Germany needs to go to war without a green light from the US...well maybe cuz Germany's an independent nation? and such nations do not need permission from anyone to start a war to defend their interests?
Any nation that finds itself threathened can start a war...but unfortunately, let's face facts now, Germany cannot do that! cuz in such a scenario the entire planet would start the same old theory of "Aryan agression" bulls.h.i.t that has been used to describe the German ppl for the past 100 years!
God knows i don't agree with this...but still that's the fact!
& like i said b4 i hardly think the war in afghanistan is in any way Germany's fight!
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