Turkey's prime minister once again called on the Armenian government to open their archives for studies on the incidents of 1915.

In 2005, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoan sent a letter to then Armenian President Robert Kocharyan and proposed to establish a joint committee of historians to study the incidents of 1915.

"Our offer is still on the table. Let's leave it to historians," Erdoan told a conference in New York's Columbia University. "We have opened our archives and Armenians should open their archives too. We have studied over 1 million documents so far."

Erdoan said Turkey and Armenia should abide by the final decision of historians following these studies.

Asked about Turkish government's reaction regarding U.S. president-elect Barack Obama and his team's close stance on the Armenian allegations, Erdoan said the campaign carried out by the Armenian diaspora in the United States was not fair.

"I hope the new U.S. administration would take into account Turkey's efforts. It is not fair to make a judgement upon such cheap political lobbying," he said.

Asked whether Turkey, as the new member of the UN Security Council, would pursue its own national policy or UN policies if a problem about the Caucasus and the Upper Karabakh was brought to the Council, Erdoan said Turkey would contribute to speed up efforts for settlement of the problem.

Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev and Armenian President Serzh Sargsian met in Moscow early November and agreed to continue to work on a political resolution of the Upper Karabakh dispute.

Erdoan said the two leaders made a significant step and expressed Turkey's willingness to host the second meeting of Aliyev and Sargsian.

He said solution of the problem could lead to a new step and start of a new process regarding relations between Turkey and Armenia.

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There was no Armenia in 1915, what archives are we talking about?

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Bir daha gel, gel Samsun'dan...

^^Paranoid freak.

of course the armenian diaspora wont agree we offered 20 mills just to get outa bed and help prove us wrong and they rejected !!

my point is why dont you help prove the turks wrong just get out of bed open up the archuves in boston that were taken and ended up in the usa prove the facts armens continue to blabber on with and when your done collect the 20mil and once and for all shut the turks up and make the whole thing ireffutable especially to the turks !!

tell me armenians you wont though evan though there is all to gain and nothing to lose !! armenia wont !!

evan katchaznouni the first leader priminister and founder of the dasnacks of the armenians admits in his manifest that the problems lie with armenians and not outside he also tells that the turks asked armenian leaders to confer during there uprising and they did not .

armenia is making to much money outa the g industry they've come a long way and cant go back .
politicle exceptance is one thing historicly exceptance of occurance is another ,

im dead set against the lie thats being perpetrated by the diaspora and armenia has admited the diaspora are doing more harm than anything,

in the end turkeys the gate keeper keep going and see if it gets any easier

I challenge you to prove what you claim. As far as I am concerned, we are being blockaded by an important neighbor because they are helping their "Turkic" brothers, bolstering an idea of Pan-Turkism, the same Turkism that was enflamed to begin our genocide. Armenia has to adopt a more aggressive stance against Turkey and it can do this by intergraing with the EU or Russia.

the truth is the money's on the table and armens arnt doing the utmost to prove this "claim" of theres once and for all!!

armenians say we killed them in a rush of anger because they were armenian just like the jews because they were jews !!!!!

armenians wanted greater autimony were exempt from tax's that others were paying and were cherised
life in turkey was'nt easy for armenian but nor was it any easier for the turks .

armenians decided to give full unconditional support to the russions ,an overestimated and miscalculated decision which armenian ended up regreting !!

i guess there support for armenians was far, far from recipicle and the russions acted extremly sluggishly.

hovannes katchaznouni in his manifest tells you all this and much more about how armenians acted irrationaly toward the turks and underestimated there ability to regroup at the time especially when armenians commencing there betrayal.

They better not  Barbina, because it will be proved beyond any doubt that you are genociders

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In any case, "nations" are not guilty of genocide according to international law (e.g. the "German nation" or "Serbian nation" are not guilty of genocide, but the "individual members" of the Nazi Party (in Germany's case), and individuals who governed Yugoslavia during the civil war (like Milosevic, Karadzic, etc.) were/are guilty of genocide.

The Armenian deportations of 1915-17 and the related deaths are an indisputable fact, but calling it a "genocide campaign" (the Armenians living in western Turkey were not deported, only those close to the Ottoman-Russian battle front were deported from Ottoman East Anatolia to Ottoman Syria) or claiming that there was an anti-Armenian racist sentiment in Turkey (similar to the anti-Semitisim and racism in 1930s and 1940s Germany) is "over the top" and a desperate attempt to regain the eastern half of present-day Turkey, as was promised to the Armenians at the annulled Treaty of Sevres (1920). It's the only thing that Armenians can do today to revive their dreams of a "Greater Armenia", but in vain.

Let's see why:

1) The "Ottoman Empire" and present-day "Republic of Turkey" are legally two distinct states according to the Treaty of Lausanne (1923), and the treaty contains no clauses on the Armenian issue.

2) "Nations" can't be blamed for genocide, according to international law. Only "individuals" who run the government during the period of alleged/assumed genocides. In the case of the so-called Armenian Genocide, all "Three Pashas" who governed the Ottoman Empire in 1915-1917 (Talat Pasha, Cemal Pasha and Enver Pasha) were assassinated (the first two by Armenians) a few years after WWI.

The Armenians will keep crying, but they neither have the archives to prove any genocide or make accurate claims for death tolls, nor any legal basis to claim land or money from the present-day Republic of Turkey that was established in 1923. Only individual Armenians who still have the papers of property ownership (for a house, land, etc.) can make claims from the Turkish government. Those who still have the papers of life insurance from European or North American insurance companies of that period can, naturally, apply to the governments of these European or North American states for compensation.

I may sound like a heartless lawyer, but it's the brutal truth.

In any case, "nations" are not guilty of genocide according to international law (e.g. the "German nation" or "Serbian nation" are not guilty of genocide, but the "individual members" of the Nazi Party (in Germany's case), and individuals who governed Yugoslavia during the civil war (like Milosevic, Karadzic, etc.) were/are guilty of genocide.

Beyond any doubt this is pure crap, the German nation brought Hitler and his party to power, they were participating in  his concentrations applauding his speeches of hatred and it was their people who commited attrocities fighting against other nations, apart from some few Germans the majority of the Germans considered Hitler something like a God and they fully approved his actions so there is a collective responsibility because the majority  of the Germans never opposed Hitlers plans and brutality

It is completely out of the question to erase the collective responsibility attributing several actions of murder only to certain individuals, because leaders do not come into power from their own , they have the vote of the majority who voted them to come to power so they approved their policy and ideology in the first place, if certain people are responsible for implementing plans of genocide, the participants and those who silently approve those plans are equally guilty to the genocide, thats for sure.

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Even if a dictator illegally seizes the power and he commits attrocities ,people have the obligation to resist to his plans and fight him with the purpose of cancelling his actions of genocide and restore democracy.

if on the contrary they silently approve his actions, remain passive,  or they let themselves to be used as instruments for the implementation of genocide policies then they are guilty as hell too. Since they become collaborators or even worst participants to the massacres

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I'm not saying that it's "fair" or "correct", but "entire nations" can't be blamed for genocide, according to international law defined by the UN. The concept of "collective national crime" does not exist in international law. Crimes are committed by "individuals, or "a group of individuals", but not "entire nations".

For instance, the "German nation" is not guilty of genocide. Only the "leaders and members of the Nazi Party who ordered, planned and conducted the extermination of Jews" (such as Adolf Hitler, Hermann Goering, Heinrich Himmler, etc.) are guilty of genocide.

Similarly, the "Serbian nation" is not guilty of genocide for the crimes against humanity that were committed during the break-up of Yugoslavia in the 1990s, only the "leaders" who ordered and/or conducted these crimes are guilty (such as Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic, etc.)

It is a known fact that, in both cases, the extermination process also received support from large portions of the national population (many Germans truly believed the Nazi propaganda that Jews are inferior sub-humanoids in comparison to the superior Germanic race; while there are still many people in Serbia who believe that Milosevic and Karadzic are not criminals), but this still doesn't change the fact that, according to international law defined by the UN, "entire nations" can't be blamed for genocide.

"States" however can be blamed and asked for reparations, but in the case of the Armenian issue, the Republic of Turkey is a completely distinct state from the Ottoman Empire according to the Treaty of Lausanne (1923); which has also ceded all Turkish rights on Egypt, Sudan, Iraq, Syria, Cyprus and the Dodecanese Islands, while (in return) freeing the Turks from the huge Ottoman debts and capitulations, and saving lost cities like Istanbul, Izmir, Edirne, etc.

The Treaty of Lausanne (1923) makes no mention of the Armenian issue at all, which is another legal advantage for present-day Turkey - even if the whole world recognizes the Armenian deportations of 1915-17 and the related deaths as "genocide" - because the Turkish Republic is not the Ottoman Empire.

On the other hand, the world is turning a blind eye to these facts:

*) Armenian militants of the Dashnaksutyun and Henchak organizations joined the Russian Army and killed thousands of Kurds and Turks in eastern Anatolia during WWI; they even received logistical support from the local Armenian population who believed in Russia and the United Kingdom's promise that the eastern half of present-day Turkey would be given to the Armenians after the war, despite the fact that even before the deportations began in 1915, the Armenians were only the 3rd largest ethnic group in the region (even though 1000 to 1500 years ago they were indeed the majority)

*) There was no "racism" in Turkey which claimed that "ethnic Turks" (a concept which didn't even exist at the Ottoman society of that time) are racially superior beings, while Armenians are inferior rats who need to be destroyed (unlike the case in Germany with the Jews)

* The Armenians attempted to assassinate the Ottoman sultan Abdülhamid II (the Jews never attempted to assassinate the German Kaiser)

* Armenian militants captured the Ottoman Bank and held it hostage for many days (the Jews never captured the German Imperial Bank or held it as hostage for days)

* Whenever the Ottoman Empire was defeated in a war (such as the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78), the Armenian community leaders living in the Ottoman Empire as Ottoman citizens went to the peace conference (such as the Congress of Berlin in 1878) and asked the Great Powers for increased Armenian autonomy at the expense of Ottoman interests. The German Jews never betrayed Germany in international post-war treaties and never joined the plans to betray or weaken their homeland.

As long as you admit my friend that such an approach is not fair or correct  there is not point talking about it anyway, because thats the key point of our conversation if something is not moral, fair or correct then it is what it is so there is no point to prove otherwise.

Of course the crimes have been commited by specific people, it would be completely irational on my behalf to claim that an entire nation has commited crimes, but being a participant in a crime is something which can be viewed in different ways, you dont need to slaughter somebody with your own hands in order to be accused of being a criminal, the consent, the passive behavior, the approval of extremism and the big silence when those policies are being implemented is a crime too because it means that you agree with what is currently happening, or that you are afraid to do something about it so you let the crimes go on and you become an accomplice.

Morality is one of the most complicated things all over the world it has many different aspects and genocide being an exteme and barbarous act it is closely related to ethics and morality, i would never for instance be able to see in my country specific people commiting genocide because of governmental directives and remain silent, my silence would be the greatest proof of my guilt for the rest of my life

our responsibility is to vote rational leaders who do not violate the human rights of our fellow humans, as long as our leadership supports and implements policies of hatred and genocides we have to do anything possible to protest and contribute to its downfall otherwise we are 100% accomplishes, even the fact that we used to applaud in public those people who are responsible for those policies is an indicator that we agreed with them and we are colaborators.

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Well, the Armenians and Greeks can go fvck themselves, as far as I'm concerned

The Armenians are deliberately inflating the facts and figures (such as the forged "Talat Pasha telegram" prepared by Aram Andonian, the inflated death toll, etc) in order to attract the world's attention and pity, with the hope that the Treaty of Sevres (1920) will be re-instated and the eastern half of Turkey will be given to them, once again (despite the fact that the Armenians were the 3rd largest ethnic group in eastern Anatolia even before the deportations began in 1915)

Well the Turks can fvuck themselves as far as  im concerned too

Turks is the only nation that i wouldnt hesitate for an instant to kill, you see the vast majority of them are Barbarians, you could not possibly imagine how much pleasure i would get if i had to kill Turks during a war.

You see what i said above applies only for humans not for subhumans as Turks, i would like very much like Lector Hannibal to chop their head and eat their brains

Sometimes i must confess i consider the possibility of a Greco Turkish war with genuine pleasure because it will give me the opportunity to take revenge about the crimes of Turks against humanity

I dont really care about my life my friend my hatred about the Turks is so overwhelming that i consider it as my duty to kill as many Turks as possible because i believe that killing even one Turk is a major service to humanity



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Personally I have no respect at all for muslim nations like Turks and could care less what they think about any issue.

Occidentals cannot believe how much muslim nations like Turks lie as a course of a habit.

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Quote:Mundine: http://www.network54.com/Forum/248068/thread/1218331962/ I thought that this might be just Turkish journalists creating a bullsh*it story also. Probably is seeing as our journalists lie a lot.

No we cannot put the Muslim nations into the same basket as the Turks

Arabs developed their own remarkable civilization offering a great service to humanity, Turks on the contrary are  a Mongolic Tribe, their only competence is in slaughtering innocent people and destroying civilizations

they are a disease , and the only cure is to kill them

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All the values you hate in Turks came from Islam.

Without Islam there is no such thing as Turks. In their falsfied history the thesis is that their ancestors are conquering Turkic tribes. In reality Turks are an amalgam of various peoples in the region conquered by the muslim armies and compelled to Islam: Bosnians muslims, Albanians, Chechens, Turks, Azeris, Arabs, Greek speaking muslims, Armenian muslims, Pomaks, Laz, etc.

Arabs like most other muslim peoples behave much the same as Turks. They lie habitually, they revere murdering muslim suicide bombers, they attack Christians in Iraq, Egypt, etc.

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Quote:Mundine: http://www.network54.com/Forum/248068/thread/1218331962/ I thought that this might be just Turkish journalists creating a bullsh*it story also. Probably is seeing as our journalists lie a lot.

We cannot use this is an argument because the Turks after conquering the nations they imposed their own habbits and culture to them by force, we were too under their occupation

The nations are not responsible in this aspect, Turks are the only responsible for instilling backwardness to those nations including Greece, they are those who forced us to ignore renaissance when all civilized people had adopted the ideals of freedom, equallity and brotherhood which sprung from the French revolution

It was impossible under Turkish occupation to have free distribution of ideas and spiritual progress

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The habits they imposed were Islamic not Turkish. Only in certain cases did the conquered lose their native cultural customs and languages. What mattered was not what language they spoke or folk customs they practiced but whether they were muslim or non-muslims. Islamic is based on muslims being superior to the non-believers and is not compatible with modern notions of equality.

No one really identified as Turkish till very recently when the Turkish Republic imposed Turkish identity on the various muslims in its borders. In Ottoman times they had no national identities only identifying as individual muslims loyal to a muslim ummah.



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Quote:Mundine: http://www.network54.com/Forum/248068/thread/1218331962/ I thought that this might be just Turkish journalists creating a bullsh*it story also. Probably is seeing as our journalists lie a lot.

Todays Greece has nothing to do with the ancient Greece, we are not Muslims but it doesnt matter you see the Turks managed to transmit their backawardness in our culture and this is what really matters

As i said earlier Turks are a disease , and a disease needs to be cured before it causes further infections

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Thats why i said earlier Nikhephoros that we cant accuse the Islamic nations of being Islamic as you do, after taking into consideration that being Islamic is something imposed by the Turks by force



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wow ontyseas, you must have real problems to be so hatefull

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Little kid get serious for a moment, tell me a period in our common history that Greeks and Turks were friends All those things and cultural aspects that i hate most in my country are a result of our contact  and interaction with the Turks

In any case nobody told you to become like me, if you have the balls try to do something to promote the Greco Turkish friendship but like most of your compatriots you are a hater , you make fun of genocides because you learned to do so by your compatriots and your educational system, every time you post in Greco Turkish forum its a post of pure hatred against Greece

So spare me from your crap, who are you to tell me that i have a problem when you display your hatred against my county at any given opportunity in such a young age?

get serious our nations are enemies it is either us or the Turks, so when the time comes i will fight for my ass, i suggest you do the same

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You see Nikephoros if we enter the game to accuse those Islamic nations who had been under the Ottoman rule as backward nations then we shoud accuse Greece too since we had been under the Ottoman rule too as well

we better keep our mouths shut, modern Greece has nothing to do with the glory and wisdom or ancient Greece my friend

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Turkey is the big bad boss, Greece and Armenia are the tiny asswipes

Ladies and gentlemen I give you the Greek mentality: full of hate, vile and backwardness.

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"Turks is the only nation that i wouldnt hesitate for an instant to kill, you see the vast majority of them are Barbarians, you could not possibly imagine how much pleasure i would get if i had to kill Turks during a war.

You see what i said above applies only for humans not for subhumans as Turks, i would like very much like Lector Hannibal to chop their head and eat their brains

Sometimes i must confess i consider the possibility of a Greco Turkish war with genuine pleasure because it will give me the opportunity to take revenge about the crimes of Turks against humanity

I dont really care about my life my friend my hatred about the Turks is so overwhelming that i consider it as my duty to kill as many Turks as possible because i believe that killing even one Turk is a major service to humanity"

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Greeks are taught to hate from an early age as we can see from above, it's part of the Greek culture. It's their way of compensating for their military defeats and general incompetence and backwardness.

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So according to you Greeks are taught hatred in their culture. If this is True, then they must have added this to their culture as the GENETICALLY Violent Turks intruded into Anatolia.

Groundbreaking conference on the massacres of Dersim, despite the pressures from Ankara

20.11.2008 11:26

For the first time in its history, the European Parliament welcomed a great conference on the massacres of Dersim (Turkey, 1937-1938). This conference was organized on the occasion of the 70th anniversary of these events and on the initiative of the company for resistance (Gesellschaft für Wiederaufbau) and of the MEP Feleknas Uca (Confederal Group of the European United Left, Germany), under the support of her political party.

This conference was a huge success and was attended by more than 200 participants including European citizens and natives of Turkey. The complete program of the day will soon be available here.

Among many speakers, Hilda Tchoboian, the president of the European Armenian Federation underlined the continuity of the genocidal tradition of Turkey whose identity was built on the negation of the other. She recalled that at the time of the Armenian genocide, Dersimis contrary to other Kurdish tribes had abstained from any attacks towards the Armenian populations and sheltered and protected them; about 40,000 people had been saved and today, one out of four Dersimis have Armenian ancestry.

This conference and in particular the presence of two town representatives of Turkey - Serafettin Halis, deputy of the province of Tunceli and Songül Erol Abdil, mayor of the town of Tunceli (Dersim) caused a great agitation in the Turkish press, in particular by their remarks on the genocidal tradition of Turkey. The presence of Hilda Tchoboian to this conference was also interpreted by Ankara like a proof of the will of the European Parliament to dismember Turkey! During the conference, the lecturers and organisers revealed that Ankara carried applied intense pressure to prohibit this conference from taking place.

The conference revealed to Europeans that Turkey is not and never has been homogeneous on an ethnic or linguistic point of view. The Kurds, Dersimis, Zazas and innumerable other minorities have all their own identity and collectively they compose the majority of the Anatolian population.

Turkey has never admitted this diversity of population and tried to deny it by committing different mass crimes. It is also this reality which Turkey wants to hide from its own population and other States concluded Hilda Tchoboian.

The conference was concluded by a Joint Declaration signed by Turkish, Kurdish, Armenian and Assyrian-Chaldean organisations, representatives of populations who have all been oppressed or massacred by Turkey.



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Quoting a Turkish forumer:
"It's a well known fact that most of the boys or girls living in south-eastern Turkey are losing their virginities to horses or dogs of their villages, so I don't think this will suprise any Turk in this forum; we are used to these kinda news..."

Wow Tuaf, you made our Greek friend really unleash his hatred LOL. I noticed every time someone uses you can go fvuk yourselves, Odysseus becomes mad.

Pity though to live in such a hatred. It must have been consuming for ages... Tuaf you made your points very clear about the issue. Nobody even mentions about the Turkish deaths that are near 300000 in Anatolia in the hands of the Armenian gangs and militia groups, because according to our friend here we "Turks are virus that needs to be erased".

Odysseus, you were the last person in the forum that I can await such sick and hateful remarks, and I would advice you to clean yourself from these thoughts, but it seems it is a lost cause already.

Ironically, Greeks are proud of "Basil the Bulgar Slayer" (the Byzantine emperor who genocided the Bulgarians) and "Alexander the Assassin" (the way he is still called in Iran)

Make no mistake: The Greeks are one of the most fascistic and megalomaniac nations on the planet.

Luckily (for us all) Greece is a small country, with limited strength.

If Greece was a large and powerful country, they would constantly abuse all their neighbours due to their national superiority complex.

The Greeks are proud to "kick the arse of other nations" (like "Fyromian Gypsies", "Alboscums", etc) as long as they are the stronger side; but when a country that's larger and stronger than Greece (such as Turkey) kicks their megalomaniac little arse, they cry like bitches

Well well well , what do i see? are we being  subjected again to the Turkish hypocricy?

They open threads directed against me in the Greek Turkish forum while im absent, copying and pasting what i said here, of course i really dont care about it they can open as many threads as they like accusing me as double faced, now that we heared the mumblings of certain Turks over here lets see the true facts

1) I said in previous threads that i used to be in favor of Greco Turkish friendship during the past but i never hide the fact that i dont like Turks, it seems that some people in here have a big problem understanding the past tense so for them i used to be in favor of Greco Turkish frienship and now i suddenly changed my mind  after making the above post which displays my true feelings and thoughts so im double faced

2) Of course i would like to be in favor of Greek Turkish frienship but as i pointed out in several threads im a realist so i dont consider such a prospect as real, i mentioned many times that Turks are our real enemies and it is not the first time that i display my anti Turkish feelings in public

3)Now that the myth about my supposed double face collapses by itself, its good to see some facts

when the Turks are making comments in favor of the genocides that they ancestors commited its ok but when they hear comments against their race then they feel furious because according to them Greeks and in particular my self have been raised with hatred against Turks

4)when they do not admit the crimes of their ancestors then its ok , but when somebody reminds them that they are genociders and they should be treated as such then this person is full of hatred and a fascist according to them

5)when they open continuously anti Greek threads in the forum 24 hour a day seriously offending Greece its ok but when a Greek makes a post like the one that i made above then he is  a sick person full of hatred

6)Greece is not a fascist nation because if it was, then we would have militarily occupied Skopjie and Albanians due to our vast military power comparing to those countries, our differences with the above nations are clearly political and we never used military power against them

7)Turkey on the contrary being a nation consisted by cowards is always using military threats and demonstration of military  power to their wicker from the military point of view, land mass , and population neighbours

8)in my above post i was half jokking half serious, i was jokking when i mentioned chopping Turkish heads and eating their brains, this can easily be understood by the fact that i used the name Lector Hannibal but some Turks do not have the mental capabilities to distinguish jokes from real statements

9)In my above post i just stated the obvious Turks and Greeks were, are and will be always enemies nothing wrong with accepting this reality and enemies use to kill each other than sending flowers or boxes of chocolate to each other as a present

10) see you later dudes, crying like little babies after a post of mine shows what can i say, a childish behavior? well something rather similaralways the hypocritical Turks they can say anything they like when they are angry but they deny the right to the others to say something against them at the same time

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Ody, don't worry about these fools and hypocrites and fascists.

I exposed the hypocrisy of one of these idiots on another thread: http://www.network54.com/Forum/242875/thread/1227454612/last-1227524483/Ottoman+General+Fahrettin+Pasa+and+his+army+fight+the+invading+British+Army+in+Medine

Also on their stupidity on this thread: http://www.network54.com/Forum/242875/thread/1226929343/last-1227523277/Should+Calipahte+be+re-established-


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I dont really worry my friend, especially this person who opened a thread against me is notorious for opening Anti Greek threads 24 hours a day

sometimes i wonder those people do not have a personal life or something, a girlfriend to screw or a job to do, i mean it is completely sick spending 24 hours a day opening threads accusing another country. Do they get some sleep for fvcks sake? they wake up and they go to sleep with one thought in  their mind how to accuse Greece, it is a psychosis and paranoia.

i dont like Turkey either but i have better things to do than opening threads against it 24 hours a day , after all Greece too is not perfect itself how ami supposed to focus on Turkey when my country has many problems too as well?

for those psychos Kemalism and Turkey is a paradise, they have solved all their problems so they have plenty of time to spend accusing Greece, the logic of the lunatic my friend.

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I think Tuaf explained the situation quite clearly, needs no further saying.

The main problem with the Armenian Diaspora is that they want to victimize their nation like the Jews thus they always try to link the events of 1915 with the Holocaust.


Odysseus before opening your mouth on issues you dont **** about, watch this video and at least try to educate yourself:






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The Turks have their own archives on the Armenians. With the help of the

Americans the Turkish archieves were fraudulently written a years ago.

I dont need to watch your faudulent videos dude, for me you are genociders and i dont need to confirm that in my mind because it has already been confirmed apart from the genocide of the Armenians you are also guilty of the genocide of  the Greeks too. You systematically procecuted the non Turks with the purpose to create an ethnically clean Turkey, and with the method of genocide and murder you finally succeed in doing so, but history will never forgive your crimes you can whin as much as you like

 

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@ Oddysseus

Your notion of my country and its people is most likely the result of the education you received in Greece. So I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain a racist prick what is right and what is wrong.

Every action has a reaction mate. Do you honestly think that the Armenians and greeks of Anatolia were cleansed just because of their beliefs or their race, like the Jews of Germany?
No. They were removed because they were NOT loyal citizens and did not want to be part of Turkey anymore (at least the majority of them).

Think about it this way: Your country has over 100,000 ethnic Turks in Thrace. Those people whether you like it or not are closely linked to Turkey and consider themselves Turks. Let's assume a war breaks out, and the Thracian Turks suddenly takes up arms and start killing Greek civilians and prepare to join the invading Turkish army before their arrival. What would Greece do in this kind of situation? You tell me that first.

What we did in WW1 and after was necessary under those circumstances, the circumstances which were created by you people. If you were in our shoes you would have done the same. Yes those people suffered and many died, no denying in that but same happened to the Turks in the Balkans. They were all ethnically cleansed by the Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians. Do you ever see us whining like little bitches? So get over it ffs.

I like this saying by Thucydides:
"The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must."

Unfortunately this rule of life has never changed, even to this day. Sad but true.





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One day my mortal body will turn to dust, but the Turkish Republic will stand forever.
Mustafa Kemal Ataturk

"I dont need to watch your faudulent videos dude, for me you are genociders and i dont need to confirm that in my mind because it has already been confirmed apart from the genocide of the Armenians you are also guilty of the genocide of the Greeks too. You systematically procecuted the non Turks with the purpose to create an ethnically clean Turkey, and with the method of genocide and murder you finally succeed in doing so, but history will never forgive your crimes you can whin as much as you like"

Says the Greek whose country marched all the way to the outskirts of Ankara for the dream of creating a Megali Hellas. The Greek Army burned to ground many cities, such as Kütahya.

The Turks didn't forget how the local Greeks in Istanbul and Izmir cheered the invading Allied troops as they landed from their warships in 1919, waving the flags of Greece and other Allied countries like the U.K., France and Italy. The Greek Orthodox patriarch even took the occasion to ask the French commander of the Allies in Istanbul to transform the Hagia Sophia into a church once again. When the Greek king Constantine entered the port of Izmir by stepping on the Turkish flag which was layed down in front of him as a carpet, the Orthodox bishops were cheering, together with the local Greeks. (Note that, when the Turkish Army took Izmir back in September 1922, the local Turks in Izmir, who remembered the flag incident, vengefully layed down the Greek flag in front of Atatürk for him to use it as a carpet; but Atatürk refused, saying "a flag is a nation's pride" and he ordered it to be removed from the ground.)

Some images (especially of betrayal) can't be erased so easily from a nation's mindset.

"Think about it this way: Your country has over 100,000 ethnic Turks in Thrace. Those people whether you like it or not are closely linked to Turkey and consider themselves Turks. Let's assume a war breaks out, and the Thracian Turks suddenly takes up arms and start killing Greek civilians and prepare to join the invading Turkish army before their arrival. What would Greece do in this kind of situation? You tell me that first.

What we did in WW1 and after was necessary under those circumstances, the circumstances which were created by you people. If you were in our shoes you would have done the same. Yes those people suffered and many died, no denying in that but same happened to the Turks in the Balkans. They were all ethnically cleansed by the Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians. Do you ever see us whining like little bitches? So get over it ffs."

I have nothing to add.

Greeks like Ontyseas are the reason why our army should always kept be strong to crush nations that dare to attack us. Do you honestly think that if you guys attacked us we would sit by and watch? Speaking of killing turks in front of your PC is easy! Im sure you dont have the ballz to say it into someones face and even if you did he would respond in the same way as you wanted : Cut your throat!



Hatred creates hatred, its easy like this!

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The genociders have one common characteristic that they do not admit their crimes in public and therefore they do not repent and those who dont repent they should not get forgiveness in return

All of you dudes have this common characteristic inherited by your ancestors the characteristic of the genocider.

If im a racistic prick as you put it, the you are a genocider and a scum because a decendant of a genociders  who does not admit what his ancestors did to the other nations can only be a scum.

now that we exchanged our daily insults, for which of course im not responsible since some of  you wished to bring the confrontation at a personal level something that altough ugly i have no problem to do if needed

lets talk about my educational system, you presented a bunch of information and you think that you cleared up from the guilt of the crimes of your ancestors, we dont need to prove that your nation is consisted by genociders, do you know why? this has already been been proved by the fact that you managed to oblitarate any prosperous minority in your land with policies of genocides

there are official documents with your directives, you received training by German "specialists" in order to see what method would be fastest to get rid of your minorities, i have all the documents available in my history books and i will present them as soon as possible

the Greek army  landed in  Smyrna because it needed to protect the Greek populations which had been systematically harassed and exterminated by the Turks, you used to transfer the Greeks in the depths of Anatolia systematically killing them by hunger and tiredness. We had to save them and we came as it was our moral duty.

The reason that the operations were extended to the outskirts of Ankara was that Kemal needed to be crushed because he was a threat to the Greek control of the Greek populated areas

Thats the truth which you systematically avoid to say because it is not convinient for you

The truth is that you always hated your minorities and especially Greeks because they were developed and prosperous because of the trade and their mental skills on the contrary your mental  incapability and backwardness as a nation created this jealousy and you considered Greeks as a threat so you exterminated them as you did with the Armenians and any other nation that you considered a threat.

Because this is what historically speaking is what you are good at, exterminating people since you left no civilization to be proud of only ashes, you present Greek ruins in Asia Minor as Turkish because you have no history and culture to display.

Now that i finished whatever i want to say you can go on with your whining, in fact i will present some documents in the future to prove your lies in public i didnt do so because i did not want to spread hatred, but i was wrong in my evaluation of the facts because people who dont regret about the crimes of their ancestors do not deserve to be called humans they are beasts and they should be treated like.

We Greeks as the Armenians have open accounts with your nation, and i sincerely hope that one day justice will be restored and we will get back what has been stolen from us.

To Eddy, who wants to present himself as a moderate Turk i must say the following , Eddy we dont intend to attack you and i never claimed that it is easy to kill somebody behind our pc, i just said that if you ever dare to attack Greece we will not slash your throat , we will chop your heads and eat them for breakfast. Your compatriots should forget those walking in the park style threads of occupying the Greek islands of the Aegean or Athens, the aggressor who will dare to put in jepardy the safety of our country will be chopped like pork meat and eaten for breakfast , thats the message which need to be transefered to our fellow Turks you see there is much hatred between our nations to actually  believe that you will attack us and we will leave you undisturbed killing us as you did in the past, now the past is over there is a harsh reality which lies ahead for you and this reality is called revenge.

 

ODYSSEUS KILLING THE SUITORS

Ive never presented myself as a moderate turk... I am that i am! No turk here really thinks war is like walking in a park. Some of them are provocating you guys as you provocate them and thats it!

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so you mean to tell me that this place is like a kindergarden, you can open threads offending the other nations, calling us names, claiming that you can capture our territory just for fun (not you personally some other Turks), calling us barbarians etc etc and we respond and so forth if thats the case then we both Greeks and Turks have a sick sense of humour

but i believe that thats not the case, a forum is supposed to bring people together if we interepret the statements of certain people as a joke or  flaming attempts then whats the purpose of being a participant in this forum in the first place? do we have a pissing contest or something on a daily basis?

i disagree with you , behind those so called provocations and jokes many people actually believe what they are writting and rightfully so since it is well known that Greece and Turkey do share very bad relations as neighbours. Our differences are endless therefore those who use the forum as a place where they can display their hatred in public know very well what they have been doing and why otherwise they wouldnt spend so much time opening useless threads just for fun

 

ODYSSEUS KILLING THE SUITORS

"We Greeks as the Armenians have open accounts with your nation"

And why not in the National Bank of Greece?

Cheers to all the Greeks!

The problem with Turkey is not neccessarily the past events. Its a continuation of an aggressive policy by a nation that was not supposed to exist after WW1. After WW1, Greeks, Armenians, and Arabs lost the land they payed for in blood because the major European powers wrote the treaties. Now, Turkey holds Northern Cyprus, blockades Armenia and denies its role in the genocide of 1.5million Armenians, and continues to challenge the territorial integrity of Greece. Not to mention the treatment of their Kurdish population whom is forced to wage a guerilla war for their rights.

Turkey is artificially kept alive by loans and aid just so the European powers could have a dog under their command, ready to protect the dardanelles, israel, and the caucasus. Time to pull the plug!!!

Yeah, right, our land was granted to us by the generous Europeans

Istanbul and Izmir were not occupied, the Greek army didn't march all the way to the outskirts of Ankara, the Italians didn't occupy the Mediterranean coast, Antalya and Konya, the French didn't occupy Adana, Urfa and the southeast, all the way up to Sivas, the Brits didn't control the Turkish Straits, eastern Thrace, all the way to the western edge of Istanbul, wasn't given to Greece, the northeast (including Trabzon, Erzurum, etc.) wasn't given to the Armenians.

Suddenly the Europeans became "humanistic" and gave them all back to the Turks

Turkey, according to the generous Europeans



Turkey, according to the ungrateful Turks

Sweet dreams