TURKISH AIR FORCE

TURKISH AIR FORCE

1) UK
2) Germany
3) Turkey

If Russian counts as the EU well then.. no comment, their 1st


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The Luftwaffe has a decent number of Eurofighters and Tornados, as well as tanker aircraft, but no AWACS capability.

The RAF, the French Air Force, the Turkish Air Force and the Italian Air Force have tankers and AWACS.

The RAF and the Italian Air Force will operate both the Eurofighter and the F-35, while the Turkish Air Force has decided to purchase an initial batch of 116 F-35A, but no Eurofighter, at least not yet.

The French Air Force mostly depends on the Rafale and Mirage 2000-5.

The Russian Air Force has large numbers of obsolete fighters, but also a growing number of new and state-of-the-art aircraft, since Putin's presidency.

The Russian Air Force also has huge long-range strategic bombers, and AWACS, even though these aircraft are becoming obsolete (they are mostly 1950s to 1970s Soviet technology)

The new family of Sukhoi fighters are pretty good though.

The second tier of "upper middle strength" air forces are the Swedish Air Force, Dutch Air Force and the Hellenic Air Force.

The Spanish Air Force is somewhere between the first tier and second tier.

Based on the above facts, here's my personal list:

1) Russian Air Force
2) RAF
3) French Air Force
4) Turkish Air Force
5) Luftwaffe
6) Italian Air Force (will outrank the Luftwaffe and TuAF after all Eurofighters and F-35s will enter service)
7) Spanish Air Force
8) Dutch Air Force
9) Swedish Air Force
10) Hellenic Air Force

The Italian Air Force will possibly also outrank the French Air Force and move to 3rd spot.

"largest" is quite obvious and not "best".

So lets start counting ...

My numbers from globaldefence.net count 443 Combat Aircraft for Germany, plus 87 transport Aircraft and 102 Helicopters.

On the other hand, I know that the Combat Aircraft force will be downsized to 180 Eurofighters + 80 Tornados in differend Bombardment / Reconossiance modes. That would make 260 Combat Aircraft.



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A German Soldier doesnt die, he goes to hell and regroups !

what about training???

having the planes and not making sorties will not help much?
who has the best training in europe?
I think is the RAF ....who knows?

The Royal Navy and Italian Navy will also operate the F-35B (the STOVL variant) on their aircraft carriers, which will further enhance their air power.

The French Navy will use the naval version of Rafale, while the Russian Navy will probably keep using the naval versions of Mig-29 and Su-33.

Dont count out experience, which on that front the Hellenic Air Force and TUAF would probably be best, real life dogfights over the Agean on a weekly basis for so many years between us two rivals counts for what training can never match up to.

Our respective pilots are probably best prepared mentally and phisically (real life engagements) than any other European air force bar the Russians.

if european mean nato, amerikunts is strongest/biggest
if european mean regional of eurasian in western part, its russian federatio nof our brothers of great talenteds history who maked top list

if european mean EU, its continental of homosexual faggetry timid cowardice anali threesome orgy incestuous paedophilia its jungle culture?

no pride being most top most fagget

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Sorry for offensive to our good religion christian brothers
I am not hating christians

Our respective pilots are probably best prepared mentally and phisically (real life engagements) than any other European air force bar the Russians.
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Yeah, the 100 or so hours the average Russian pilot flies and the zero experience of Russian plances since WWII sure beats the preparation of countries like the UK or France.


Mobile airpower

"The enemy dies relaxed," observed a Lockheed Martin manager.

Pulling numbers out of your ass again? Funny since unlike pretty much every EU air force Russian planes have been in actual combat missions from Tajikistan to Chechnya to Georgia in the last 2 decades.

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You mean apart from the air forces of Britain, France, Spain, Germany, Italy and Holland, who are all EU and have all seen active service in the South Atlantic, Middle East or Europe since 1982.

Hardly comparable and if you want to go back that far than the Soviets had 60,000 sorties in a Su-25 alone in Afghanistan. The brits or any other EU possy have hardly seen as much action.

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You have to understand something, even if Turkey has a large air force it still can not compete against countries who have a smaller air force such as Italy, France, Spain etc... These countries have more advance jet fighters. The only advance jet fighter Turkey has is the F16 and that alone is old. So turkeys large pile of junk is only quantity not quality.

"if european mean EU, its continental of homosexual faggetry timid cowardice anali threesome orgy incestuous paedophilia its jungle culture?"

man ....why you think all europeans are fagots and pedophiles?....I think only half is ....the other half
should be women!!!

come here and bend over my muslim sheep. Please could you do "beeeeeeeeeee" to me ...just once

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4_deTHI1jE&feature=related

chill out

ANOTHER thing ....
airforce is good against poor countries ....modern missiles will do a huge kill against any plane!!!

having a big airforce may be useless in against modern countries with fast missile batteries!!

I think the best modern weapon should be cruise missiles!!! not jets!!

filin



"Hardly comparable and if you want to go back that far than the Soviets had 60,000 sorties in a Su-25 alone in Afghanistan. The brits or any other EU possy have hardly seen as much action."



What do you mean "go back that far", you said two decades, i'm just going back 5 years further than that.



Either way you're right of course in terms of numbers of sorties Soviet aircraft flew far more missions over Afghanistan and Chechnya than EU airforces flew over the Falklands, Iraq/Kuwait or Serbia/Kosovo but that's not what you said is it.



You said...



"Pulling numbers out of your ass again? Funny since unlike pretty much every EU air force Russian planes have been in actual combat missions from Tajikistan to Chechnya to Georgia in the last 2 decades."



I'm just pointing out that you're wrong and that just about every major air force within the EU have seen "actual combat" in the last 2 decades. Also flying combat sorties against Geurillas who at most are armed with a few AAA weapons and MANPADS isn't the same as flying combat sorties against far more sophisticated air defence systems over Iraq/Kuwait and Serbia/Kosovo or against air defence systems as well as enemy fighters and fighter/bombers in the South Atlantic.



I could also say that EU airforces have far more official air to air kills in the last 25 years than the Soviet/Russian airforce has had in the last 4 decades never mind 2.

"You have to understand something, even if Turkey has a large air force it still can not compete against countries who have a smaller air force such as Italy, France, Spain etc... These countries have more advance jet fighters. The only advance jet fighter Turkey has is the F16 and that alone is old. So turkeys large pile of junk is only quantity not quality."

Turkey will get an initial batch of 116 F-35A, which is technologically more advanced than anything Greece is planning to get (namely Rafale or Eurofighter)

Turkey (TAI) is also currently building 30 new F-16 Block 50+ while applying a CCIP upgrade to all of its existing F-16s, which will bring all of them to the Block 50+ standard, including key upgrades like JHMCS (which makes the Block 50+ comparable to Rafale, actually better than it, in many aspects)

Thus, by 2015-2017, Turkey will have:

* 116 F-35A
* 240+ F-16 Block 50+ with JHMCS

By that time, I assume that the F-4E Phantom IIs (also operated by Germany and Japan, not to mention Greece), F-4E Terminator 2020s (which is comparable to the F-15E in terms of striker-bomber capabilities, actually has a slightly better SAR radar developed by Israel originally for the IAI Lavi) and F-5s (also operated by Greece) will retire.

On the other hand, Greece still operates the A-7 Corsair, which can only be put to an aviation museum in Turkey

Might I also remind you that Turkey already signed a memorandum for receiving an initial batch of 116 F-35A and is part of the JSF's production phase as a Level III partner, while Greece didn't even decide whether to buy 60 Rafales or 60 Eurofighters.

Since you seem soo persistent as to go into technicalities than Im PRETTY sure I said "PRETTY much", and as far as Im concerned majority of countries in EU havent seen combat. Now you can try and come up with some crap claim like those countries provided some nuts and bolts or they gave 1 plane, but that is a joke and you know it, just like the involvement of PRETTY MUCH every EU country in those conflicts. I said 2 decades to symbolize the beginning days of the Russian air force in '91, not to take the brits back to the early 80s with their heroic defeat of some WW2 tin cans.





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I was just pointing out where you were mistaken, no need to get all pithy about it.

"not to take the brits back to the early 80s with their heroic defeat of some WW2 tin cans."

Royal Navy Sea Harriers shot down 21 aircraft over the Falklands in 1982, nine of them were IAI Daggers (Mirage V), eight were McDonnel Douglas A-4 Skyhawks and one was a Dassault Mirage III. None of them were "WW2 tin cans".

"man ....why you think all europeans are fagots and pedophiles?....I think only half is ....the other half
should be women!!!

come here and bend over my muslim sheep. Please could you do "beeeeeeeeeee" to me ...just once

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4_deTHI1jE&feature=related

chill out
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sorry for distraction to serious members

westerns europs are faggetry males
their females are ALL svlts whreos cvnts cvnlllingus honry kindky bithces

your animal bordello story dont make any impact?


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Sorry for offensive to our good religion christian brothers
I am not hating christians

anglozionazikiller really has a crush on naked homosexual pedos.

Anyways are you sure that turkey will keep all their F16s in service? I guess some of them already have their best days behind them.

As for Central European Powers I think the recent cuts in numbers(in airforce/navy/ground troops) will force us sooner or later to throw our armys together if we want to play in 1st class military league in the next 100 years since india and china both outnumber us by the factor of 2 or 3.






Napoleon auf St. Helena: "Hätte der Himmel gewollt, dass ich als deutscher Fürst geboren wäre und hätten Sie mich einmal zu Ihrem Kaiser gewählt und ausgerufen so scheint mir noch Heute, dass Sie nie von mir abgefallen wären und ich Heute nicht hier sitzen müsste."

The only TuAF F-16s to retire soon are the first 30 units of F-16 Block 30 which began to enter service in 1987. They will also receive the CCIP upgrade (though with lesser goodies than the Block 40s and Block 50s which entered service in the 1990s) but will be the first to retire (not very soon though)

Are there any plans to build new generation bombers for replacing the Tupolev Tu-95 Bear?

Or new generation Russian AEW&C aircraft?

<<<<<<<<Turkey will get an initial batch of 116 F-35A, which is technologically more advanced than anything Greece is planning to get (namely Rafale or Eurofighter) <br>
Turkey (TAI) is also currently building 30 new F-16 Block 50+ while applying a CCIP upgrade to all of its existing F-16s, which will bring all of them to the Block 50+ standard, including key upgrades like JHMCS (which makes the Block 50+ comparable to Rafale, actually better than it, in many aspects)

Thus, by 2015-2017, Turkey will have:

* 116 F-35A >>>>>>>>>>>>


Is what Turkey has now is Junk compare to most Europe. What Turkey would get in the future it waits to be seen. Thing can change. Don't open your mouth too soon. Speak when the time comes.

"hus, by 2015-2017, Turkey will have:

* 116 F-35A
* 240+ F-16 Block 50+ with JHMCS "

GET OUT of here !!!
that for real!!???

what you guys intend to do with all that???...get Iraq back??!!....maybe you guys want to force your entry in EU?

'Anyways are you sure that turkey will keep all their F16s in service? I guess some of them already have their best days behind them. '

That still doesn't change the fact that Turkish F-16s are still much newer and more capable aircrafts than both Tornado and F-4 which form the backbone of german air force. Besides, CCIP upgrade of Turkish F-16s is currently being carried out as planned by TAI.

Speaking for present terms, HAF is clearly better equiped than TUAF,by a small but significant margin.

_{hellenic cockroach air force}





TURKISH MASTER AIR FORCE

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TURKISH MASTER AIR FORCE

I don't know if I'd describe the Greek airforce as being like cockroaches, I agree you may find them small, annoying and fast much like cockroaches but if you think they would survive a nuclear war like a cockroach I'd have to say your dreaming! Still, what a sweet compliment from a Turk such as yourself to the Greeks.

Anyway, I can't see how Turkey's airforce is the master airforce of Europe, since it's clearly not superior to the RAF































"He lives in a world where concept is reality..."

"Master" refers to the Turk and his relationship with cockroaches such as the Gayreeks, i.e. former "slaves"

Turks keep telling to themselves that they are super-wooper power in order to sleep well at night.



Where exactly is your power? Is it because u have old f-4 and f-5 in your inventory or because u have 200 f-16 which most of them are block 30 and 40.



Oh i forgot. There are also the famous f -35. And you will get 116 u said? And u also get the famous AWAKS with MESA radar right?



ok with all those problems and delays in those programs MAYBE in 2050 these will be in your inventory. Wake up dude.



If u feel so super and powerful try to test the tiny greek airforce. f-16 block 52+ and mirage 2000-5 are waiting. And our awaks are FULLY OPERATIONAL. Not photoshoped images. U can also try our PAC-3, S-300, Crotale, tor-m1, hawk, and ...and...



And iam sure u will say about Greek A-7 that are too old to fly. I will agree with you on that and they will be replaced but dont forget this.The reason that these babes are still on duty is because they have a fantastic payload. Just imagine those fully loaded, flying at the sea-level of the aegean as they deliver all those bombs to your coastal possitions.



Sorry for interupting your dream dude. Sleep well.

Lol turkish ignorant.
1)Of now THK has 210+ 3rd Gen fighters against 175+ of HAF. Only 35 planes difference. ANd HAF planes are more modern and better equiped. So how is THK better?
2) HAF operates 2 types of BVR missiles (mica-amraam), and has larger stocks of Amraams. Also Greek IRST+JHMCS can rape THK any time for now. Still THK better?
3)HAF has full AWACS coverage of the batlefield. THK is at least 2-3 years behind this, probably more. Let me remind you how mportant is AWACS. Blind THK better?
4)THK bases are protected by stinger and rapier. Crapy defence while HAF bases are protected by Crotale, Tor M1, RIM 7M, Patriot, S300. THK must allocate half of its fleet to try to destroy this SAM units, while a single F16+ JDAM can bomb any Turkish base. So ''open as a puta'' THK still better?

THK can be raped even by ''tiny'' HAF, let alone trying to play on the big league with AdA, RAF, Luftwaffe, RuAF. Back to the books turko

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Unlike the Chinese Walls, this man-made monument can indeed be seen from Outer Space

The Embraer Erieye AEW&C is a cheap and already outdated platform, while the Boeing 737 AEW&C MESA is an expensive and innovative platform, with cutting-edge multirole electronically scanned array technology, which can automatically track thousands of air, sea and land targets simultaneously.

This Greek video actually shows the superiority of the Boeing 737 AEW&C MESA:



Boeing 737 AEW&C also has aerial refueling capability and can stay in the air for 24 hours, while the Embraer Erieye can stay in the air for only 5 hours.

Boeing 737 AEW&C covers full 360 degrees, while Embraer Erieye covers only 300 degrees.

Boeing 737 AEW&C also has a larger radius of radar coverage range.

Turkey could buy the much cheaper and readily available Erieye system offered by Sweden, but opted for the much more expensive, powerful, high-tech and innovative MESA system.

Turkey has also signed a memorandum to purchase an initial batch of 116 F-35A, while Greece has yet to decide whether to buy 60 Eurofighter or 60 Rafale.

Note that the Turks don't buy "120" but "116" so that the Greek public opinion won't wake up to the reality that it's twice the number of the new generation aircraft which Greece plans to buy.

Turkey is doing the same trick with the Milgem "corvette", which is obviously a "frigate", but this way the Greek public opinion will be kept calm and won't fully wake up to the reality that the Turks are continuously shifting the balance of power in their favour.

The Japanese use the same tactic (they classify their weapons in the most "humble" and "modest" way, so that the "public opinion" in their rival countries won't fully wake up)

THK WILL have AWACS WHEN Boeing manages to make this **** work ( it seems not in the near future...). So till then NO AWACS for Turkey agains full working radars for the Greek side.

MESA costs 1.05 bil $ vs 447 mil $ for Erieye, of course its better, BUT it doesn't work. Till it works THK lags behind HAF. So difficult to understand?

And F35, WILL come in the future, till you can only dream about how great etc THK is...

RAF E-3C AWACS.

it is not possible to make a turk understand the obvious it is like ...u want to go to your work and ask from a turk-coworker if he can give u a ride to your work. His reply will be something like...ofcourse i can! i have order the best car in town with leather sits and everything. It is very beautiful. No one has it! it is very fast too! But unfortunately we have to wait for the bus because i will have it in a few years and i hope i will be able to pay it by then)



By the way look my friend what an old A7 or a F-4 can do at the right hands



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnzzgOQvjD8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PF8A11AWTY

RAF E-3C AWACS.

RAF ones are E-3D, thats an American E-3C. The E-3D's are E-3C standard, but with British modifications and IIRC longer range and higher speed due to different engine fit.




"He lives in a world where concept is reality..."

I would say the total number of F-35's will gradually will rise to 300 F-35's by perhaps 2020.

116 F-35's is our first batch.

PPP

You're correct, sorry for the error.

Nice looking aircraft.

ppp, you forgot to include a picture of an MQ-9 Reaper... 39 Squadron will be most upset!

Anyway,

- Largest stock of ALCMs in Europe = RAF
- Largest fleet of AWACs in Europe = RAF
- Biggest lift capacity in Europe = RAF
- Biggest tanker fleet = RAF

Karabasan 300 f-35? only? why not 500? or maybe 600. i suppose the best number is 1000. yeap this is a nice number. So by 2020 turkey will have 1000 f-35 and 40-50 AWACS Actually they are working overtime to be able to finish a few new f-35s per day for their best customers.

And of course 5-10 carriers for the planes will do the job After that there is only one last order to complete the inventory!. "the Enterprise"


Anyway i rest my case. Stupidity is the final frontier of insanity

Turkey already payed for the Boeing 737 AEW&C MESA and all four are completed (at least in terms of exterior appearance) and are located at TAI's facilities near Ankara.

i know my friend but there is still a lot work to be done to fix the serious problems of the MESA radar in order to become operational and of course the previous post of another friend about 300 F-35 by 2020 for Turkey is plain unrealistic at least.

F-35 is still a project on work and there are many details that need to be shorten out. In addition there are many orders (including Turkeys) and of course the needs of USAF. So it is not possible to produce so many planes in such a short time. And last but not least it is the budget of Turkey. 300 F-35 seems a bit unrealistic unless u plan to get rid of F-16s.

Anyway the point is that noone is saying that Turkey's choices of F-35 or AWAC are bad choices but there are problems at the moment which affect the timeframe of delivery of the planes, the real cost,and maybe their capabilities.

All good TurdAF but heres what happens in real life and in this millenium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1geh_MfaOM&feature=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs1U9Qw7Gig&feature=related


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBS5oUcwBE0


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300 F-35s may sound unrealistic for "today" or the "near future", but it will probably be the reality (or very close to it) in the medium run, because Turkey will eventually have to retire all F-4s, F-5s and even F-16s.

Turkey ordered an initial batch of 116 F-35s to be delivered between 2013 and 2020.

The F-35 is expected to remain in service within the USAF and other allied air forces until the 2050s, and currently no other multirole fighter is being developed, therefore it is logical that Turkey will purchase further F-35s after 2020 in order to replace the retired F-4s, F-5s and F-16s.

Turkey also wants to see the latest developments in Eurofighter before engaging in any deals. At present the TuAF considers the F-35 to be a better fighter aircraft for the buck.

Largest? I thought going by numbers of Combat Aircraft (excluding the Russians) it was the French AdA followed by the RAF? (Since when is Turkey in Europe anyhow? :P)

Ask your grandmother

MISSILES

Greece

A/G

AGM-88B Harm =84
SCALP-EG =90
AFDS =70
AGM-154C JSOW=40
GBU-31 JDAM =100
CBU-103 WCMD=200
Enchanced Paveway II=236
GBU-24A/B Paveway III=200
Paveway I/II =1162
BLU-107 Durandal =523
BLU-109 =250
AM 39 Exocet Block 2=39
AGM-65G Maverick IIR=200
AGM-65A/B Maverick =284
GBU-8/B HOBOS =96
Mk-20 Mod 2 Rockeye
CBU-52B
CBU-59/B APAM
CBU-58B

turkey

AGM-88B HARM =96
AGM-142 Popeye I =100
AGM-84K SLAM-ER =(48) in order
AGM-154A-I JSOW =(50) in order
AGM-154C JSOW-C/Broach=(54) in order
AGM-65GI Maverick IIR =150
AGM-65A/B Maverick =550
GBU-8/B HOBOS =200
Paveway I&II =1170+(550) in order
BLU-107 Durandal =523
CBU-105 =(50) in order
GBU-31 JDAM =(200) in order
GBU-38 JDAM =(200) in order
BLU-109 =(100) in order


A/A

Greece

AIM-120B/C-5 AMPAAM =240/150=390
MICA EM/IR =150/150=300
Super 530D =80
AIM-7E/F Sparrow =???
IRIS-T =350+ (350) in option
AIM-9M Sidewinder =165
AIM-9L/I-I Sidewinder =300
AIM-9L/I sidewinder =347
AIM-9Juli/I-I Sidewinder=400
Magic 2 =304
AIM-9P4 Sidwinder =1000

turkey

AIM-120A/B AMRAAM =176/138=314
AIM-7E/F Sparrow=367
AIM-9X =(225) in order,not yet confirmed
AIM-9M =500
AIM-9L/I =640
AIM-9S =310
AIM-9P3 =>750

As you can see Greece has better quality in planes than TAF and much more numbers in missiles (and better quality in some fields)

GREECE:

F-16 bl52+ =58 +(30) in order
F-16 bl50 =40
F-16 bl30 =32
Mirage 2005 MKII= 25
Mirage 2000 =32
F-4E PI2000=35
A-7E Corsair II=51
A-7H Corsair II=34
total: 308
+
30
=
338

turkey

F-16 bl50+ =(30) in order
F-16 bl50 =75
F-16 bl40 =98
F-16 bl30 =37
F-4E 2020 =52
F-4E =92
total: 354
+
30
= 384

Adding 85 bombers isnt going to make any diffrence Poofy73..

The Turkish Airforce has always had the upper hand and will continue to do so untill the end of days

"Adding 85 bombers isnt going to make any diffrence Poofy73.."

I also added 92 of your crappy F-4, what is your point?

The F-16 Blk52+ and the Mirage 2000-5 MK2 make the different turkomalaka.
plus, we have 390 Amraams for 165 F-16 and F-4 AUP, that makes 2,4 per plane.
TAF has 314 Amraams for 210 F-16, that makes 1,5 per plane!!!!
but HAF also has 300 mica's for 25 Mirage 2000-5 MK2, that makes 12 per plane!!!
TAF has 2200 AIM-9 for 354 planes, that makes 6,2 per plane.
HAF has 2866 AIM-9 and Magic 2 for 338 planes, that makes 8,5 per plane!!!!




"The Turkish Airforce has always had the upper hand and will continue to do so untill the end of days."

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

nappyheadedHO,


The photos, below the text that you posted are from GAY PARADE?

Your getting thicker by the hour Poofy73, pulling numbers out of your ass... what a retard.

btw is constantanus your brother?

"Your getting thicker by the hour Poofy73, pulling numbers out of your ass... what a retard."

do you have different numbers malaka???

those stats are from Jane's magazine, I think that it is most reliable than your Gebels type military stats.

Ask your grandmother

I would if she came from the middle-east...

Lets see the year 2010:

Haf;

88xF-16-52+ with 280xAIM-120C5/7 and 350xIRIS-T
25xM-2000-5mk2 with 300 Mica.
=113 superior fighters to anything turkey has.

+72xF-16-50/30 with 240xAIM-120B
+20xM2000EGM/BGM with 80xSuper 530 and 250xMagic2
+35xF-4EPI2000
+40xA-7E

=280 fighters

+4xErieye
+6xPatriot Pac-3GEM
+2xS-300PMU-1


THK;

210xF-16-50/40/30 with 340xAIM-120A/B
54xF-4E/2020

the rest;some F-4E non modernised and a few F-5A/2020.

=320-340 fighters.

+7xKC-135

No MESA till 2013,no CCIP before 2012,no F-16-50+ before 2013,no Patriot,no ****.

LOL

TURKISH MASTER AIR FORCE

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/turk/af/turk-af2_current_inventory.htm

_{hellenic slave air force}

http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/greece/af2/greek-af2_current_inventory.htm

MASTER & _slave

Why are all this Turkish Air Force Pics here?!?!?!

the threads clearly says "Largest Air Force of Europe" & Turkey is not part of Europe, so WTF?!?!?!?

Turkey is part of Europe you fvck face.

Now shut the fvck up before i rip you a new azzhole.

Turkey is the Sicko Dude of Europe

u are mistaken yannis.

already 2 f16 ccip delivered by tai and january another 2 ll be delivered.in 2009 every month 2 modernised f16 ccip ll be delivered.

elena berkova and ksenia sobcak ya lyublyu vas

No I am not.

First two F-16CCIp delivered as test beds.
First squadron of CCIP not ready before 2012 while all 117 CCIP will be ready untill 2016.
Order for APG-68(V9) is not done yet.

Turkey is part of Europe you fvck face.

Now shut the fvck up before i rip you a new azzhole.

Lol, I just love those wishfull thoughts

Turkey is as much part of Europe as Israel Syria & Libanon

Mate deny it as much as you want but fact is known... TURKEY and TURKISH PEOPLE are European.


Turks took complete control of the Balkans in 1414 and few years later entire Eastern Europe, basically half of Europe.


By 1500 we came knocking on Vienna's door which was a gateway to dominate the entire Western European region but we couldnt crack it open, still managing to invade hungary nonetheless.. we still dominated half of Europe for 500 years until World War 1.


500 years dominating half of Europe aint easy as it sounds.


We've been in Europe for longer than Americans been in Norther America.

Turkey is part of Europe you fvck face.

Now shut the fvck up before i rip you a new azzhole.

Scuttle off back to your sand dune.

Scuttle off back to your sand dune.

How about i shove my fist up your rectum first once ive built enough sand dunes up your mrs carnt.

"Scuttle off back to your sand dune."

Turkey has a desert?



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Mate deny it as much as you want but fact is known... TURKEY and TURKISH PEOPLE are European.

Turks took complete control of the Balkans in 1414 and few years later entire Eastern Europe, basically half of Europe.

By 1500 we came knocking on Vienna's door which was a gateway to dominate the entire Western European region but we couldnt crack it open, still managing to invade hungary nonetheless.. we still dominated half of Europe for 500 years until World War 1.

500 years dominating half of Europe aint easy as it sounds.

We've been in Europe for longer than Americans been in Norther America.

Lol; Ignorant people like you jsut make me lougth.

By your criteria "we dominated half of europe for 500 years" all of the Meditterain would be European since the Roman empire ruled over it for 600 years.

But fortunatly time gives NO right over your belonging.

Fact is: Turks are a NON European race



Central European Family



Turkish family



The rason why some west Turkish people look European is becouse they are from Greek decendency




Turkish is a NON European language



Turkish culture has little to do & similaritys with European Culture; not in ideology, social organization, traditions, Myths, religion & even beed time storys.


and as for time .... what legacy & impact did the Turks leave in half of Europe that they controled for 500 years. Which traditions are still alive that you could identify as tipicaly European today & that are actualy Turkish, where does Turky live on in todays Europe?!?!?!

Lets face it, Turks are not part of Europe & if they are, Turkey came out of a $hit that Ala in the backyard when he was creating Europe

" By your criteria "we dominated half of europe for 500 years" all of the Mediterranean would be European since the Roman empire ruled over it for 600 years. "

You have a habit of understanding a point from its rear end, just making no sense what so ever at all.

The point was, Turks has RECENTLY ruled half of Europe right up until world war 1 and rightfully so left its trademark in the lands it has conquered. Go in to any city or town that was under Ottoman administration you will see the Turkish monuments and buildings standing still. Albeit most of the dwellings and Ottoman heritage being knocked down to erase any Turkish footprint, you can still see them in parts of Hungary today.

Turks mingled and interacted with the Europeans since 1414.. Religions of all sorts Muslims, Catholics and Orthodox lived side by side as neighbors, it was the Ottoman tolerance and Islamic understanding that let people be the way are without anybody criticizing and interfering with others beliefs. Europe's multicultural understanding blueprint was taken from our system, although it was improved a little, nevertheless its foundations belong to us.

The question remains.. where the fk were you in 1414?





" Fact is: Turks are a NON European race "

That's true, we come from Central Asia

... but having not only dominating the region for the past 600 years, we've left and changed Eastern Europe's culture and lifestyles despite being of different religion for some. We've blended in with other races when they adopted most of our traditions so we took some from them. A little of exchange from here and there but give in more most often.




" Turkish family "

THAT'S A FOOKING KURD.. what are you blind as a bat sh!t ?



This is a Turkish families that looks no different than Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Croatian.. a ordinary Mediterranean family.































" The rason why some west Turkish people look European is becouse they are from Greek dependence "

You're one funny Germany imbecile.

Turks are a dominating race here, we ruled Greeks well over 700 years not to mention entering Anatolia well over 1000 years ago and Anatolian Greeks living under Turkish domination. Turkish men married plenty of Greek women through out this time that i can guarantee. If you take a DNA sample off from a random Greek today you can be assured that you will find some Turkish trait in there some where. Some Greeks might have had converted to Islam through out this time but not close to the ratio of Turkish men - Greek women intermarriages, eh after all, our Emperors wives were mostly Greek.






" Turkish is a NON European language "


Turkish is a Altaic-lanugage.
Soo what?

It still doesn't change the fact that Turks altered half of Europes demography.. permanently.

Altaic language below;








" Turkish culture has little to do & similaritys with European Culture; not in ideology, social organization, traditions, Myths, religion & even beed time storys. "

You will find that there's a MAJOR difference between East and Western Europe.

Eastern Europe is more in line with Turkish customs, traditions and cultural significances than it is Western Europe.


Seek knowledge even as far as China. - Saying of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

We Turks built an immense mpire and we can do it again, we still have the know how. World, watch the Turks, they are coming back.

Empire is our character...

'Turkish is a NON European language'



You have no idea what you are talking about gergay kukubu imbecile. Hungarian, Finnish and Basque are not indo-european languages either. So what's your point? Please do us a favor and put on your lederhose then do that stupid gergay monkey dance.



'Scuttle off back to your sand dune'



This pseudo-analglo-saxon english gypsy must be confusing Turkiye's geographical location with that of arabia where english protitutes suck arab c.ck to get the oil contracts.

So you agree that the Turks are a non European race, that Turkish is a non European language, that the turkish culture is a non European Culture & still you claim that tukey is part of Europe becouse you controled 1/6th of Europe for a couple of hundret years?

Well I stay by it, after your definiton Spain would be part of Africa, South & North America part of Europe as well (becouse European Nations dominated that land for centurys & they DEFENETLY made an impact on the culture there that still prevails till these days; from the langage to the customs).


By that, the biggest AF of Europe is the USAF, followed Russia,Ukrain, France & Israel (also long time ocupied by the Europeans in the crusades & before that for 600 years by the Romans & before that by the Macedonians)

How about i shove my fist up your rectum first once ive built enough sand dunes up your mrs carnt.

I'd rather not be subject to your perverse little fantasies. Maybe you and hun78 can get together sometime.

Turkey has a desert?

http://www.toprak.org.tr/isd/isd_36.htm

This pseudo-analglo-saxon english gypsy must be confusing Turkiye's geographical location with that of arabia where english protitutes suck arab c.ck to get the oil contracts.

I would have thought a little more respect for the power that propped up your decadent Ottoman Empire for more than a century would be deserved, no? Turkey isn't Istanbul, lol. 55% of your land is desert-margin.

" You have no idea what you are talking about gergay kukubu imbecile. Hungarian, Finnish and Basque are not indo-european languages either. So what's your point? Please do us a favor and put on your lederhose then do that stupid gergay monkey dance. "


Hungarians ancestors derive from Central Asia as well, they're descendants of Atilla the Hun who came from Central Asia and rampaged, pillaged, ransacked Europe advancing as far as Rome.. It made the Roman Empire soil its underpants LOL.. So essentially Hungarians are our distant cousins.

Hungarians speak a Uralic-language which shares many similarities with Altaic-language more than anything else. I would go on further to say Uralic-language would actually derive from Altaic language since Altaic is more old.



Here's some info;

" The Ural-Altaic family takes its name from the Ural Mts., which separate Europe and Asia, and the Altai, a central Asian mountain range, where the languages of this family are believed to have originated. The speakers of the Ural-Altaic languages apparently began to migrate from this original homeland to their present dwelling areas many centuries ago. If the Ural-Altaic tongues are regarded as forming one family, this family consists of two subfamilies, the Uralic and the Altaic. The Uralic subfamily can be divided into two principal subdivisions, Finno-Ugric (see Finno-Ugric languages) and Samoyedic. Speakers of the languages of the Samoyedic subdivision, over 30,000 in all, reside in NW Siberia and NE Europe. Samoyede is the chief language of this subdivision.



Two important features that characterize the Ural-Altaic languages, with few exceptions, are agglutination and vowel harmony. These two points of similarity have led a number of authorities to accept Ural-Altaic unity. In an agglutinative language, different linguistic elements, each of which exists separately and has a fixed meaning, are often joined to form one word. In these languages multiple suffixes are added to a root while prefixes are almost totally lacking. Vowel harmony refers to the agreement between the vowels in the root of a word and the vowels in the word's suffix or suffixes. Such agreement is illustrated in the Turkish words ev [house] and evde [at the house]; masa [table] and masada [at the table]. Thus, most suffixes have a double form, one with a front vowel (e.g., e, i, ö, ü) to correspond to a root with a front vowel, and one with a back vowel (e.g., a, i, o, u) to match a root with a back vowel. Grammatical gender (with its distinctions of masculine, feminine, and neuter) is generally lacking in the Ural-Altaic languages. Stress varies in the different tongues. The Ural-Altaic languages also have a small common vocabulary consisting of basic words, among them some personal pronouns, some words indicating kinship (e.g., mother, father), and some words that denote plants and animals, name occupations, and the like. This rudimentary vocabulary is common to all the tongues and is considered by some to be additional evidence for Ural-Altaic unity. At the same time, speakers of the Ural-Altaic languages also borrowed words from the various tongues of other peoples with whom they came in contact. "


Seek knowledge even as far as China. - Saying of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
We Turks built an immense empire and we can do it again, we still have the know how. World, watch the Turks, they are coming back.

Empire is our character...

" I would have thought a little more respect for the power that propped up your decadent Ottoman Empire for more than a century would be deserved, no? Turkey isn't Istanbul, lol. 55% of your land is desert-margin. "

You're such a fooking plebeian knob head.

Deserts are non existent in Turkey.. none.. zilch.. Anatolian plateau is all green.

Istanbul is not our only city, we have further 3 other highly populated more modern MAJOR cities.





Abant Lake as highlighted in the pic














Bolu - Northern Turkey











Karagöl, Ankara (Central Turkey)
















Southern Turkey













































































CENTRAL TURKEY












































Seek knowledge even as far as China. - Saying of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)

We Turks built an immense empire and we can do it again, we still have the know how. World, watch the Turks, they are coming back.

Empire is our character...

Warning issued to Karabasan for family insult towards Pax_Britannica

Of Course Turkic Emperor's married Greek women ,it was the only way to finally get rid of their slant eyed looks...

Where is ataturk on this pictures? same on you, you will go to jail because you forgot the "grate" ashole.

'I would have thought a little more respect for the power that propped up your decadent Ottoman Empire for more than a century would be deserved, no? Turkey isn't Istanbul, lol. 55% of your land is desert-margin.'

So, I should respect a nation of thieves who provoked arabs against Ottoman Empire?

Ottomans couldn't beat Poland-Lithuania on its own. How did it ever dominate half of Europe? The Balkans don't equal even 1/4th of Europe...

Hungarians are for the most part assimilated Slavs. There is basiclaly little genetic difference between a Pole, a Czech and a Magyar. Hungarians are in the same boat as Bulgarians just flip the situation. Where the culture and language of the Hungarians remained dominate whilst in Bulgaria the Slavic culture and tongue became dominate (though Bulgarians are essentially Slavic too).

Eastern Europe is a clash of cultures, languages and vast history. Only recently have most Eastern European nations become 'homogeneous'. Tartars were a big part of Polish communities up until around 1800's.

Siege of Tobruk - One German POW said: "I cannot understand you Australians. In Poland, France, and Belgium, once the tanks got through the soldiers took it for granted that they were beaten. But you are like demons. The tanks break through and your infantry still keep fighting." Rommel wrote of seeing "a batch of some fifty or sixty Australian prisoners ... marched off close behind usimmensely big and powerful men, who without question represented an elite formation of the British Empire, a fact that was also evident in battle."