London, Jan.18: Brit Sikh detective sergeant Gurpal Virdi is suing the Metropolitan Police Force for the fifth time after he was passed over for promotion to inspector.
His lawyers will argue that privately the Met still believes he is guilty of sending racist e-mails to his colleagues, despite two independent tribunals clearing him nine years ago.
The claim will feature in a case brought by a high profile Asian detective involved in the longest running discrimination dispute within the Met.
According to The Times, a watchdog has launched an inquiry into whether the Metropolitan Police department responsible for improving the recruitment and retention of ethnic officers is shredding damaging documents about the selection process.
The Met has already admitted to the employment tribunal that the notes taken by Virdis promotion panel last year were shredded in error.
The Sikh detective told The Sunday Times: I am the Colin Stagg of the Met [referring to the man wrongly accused of killing the model Rachel Nickell in 1992]. Everyone knows Im innocent and the Met are not accepting it. It would appear that senior people have something to hide. The commissioner needs to hold people to account rather than cover up.
The Black Police Assocation, which has boycotted ethnic recruitment to the Met, is supporting Virdi.
Further pressure has come from another influential staff association that represents 2,200 inspectors and chief inspectors.
Mark Crake, general secretary of the Inspectors Branch Board, says he has direct evidence that the shredding goes beyond the Virdi case.
In a statement, the Met denied it was getting rid of the evidence.
It said: That is simply ridiculous, electronic copies of all documents remain as a matter of public record. Hard copies were destroyed so they could not be duplicated."
His employment tribunal will be heard next month on the tenth anniversary of the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, which found the Met to be institutionally racist.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 19 2009, 10:10 PM
But there is a sensible limit to this race card counter-argument.
You can not simply deny the fact that Britain is by and large still institutionally racist (by their own admission) and just summarily dismiss all cases of discrimination.
Though with the looming economic disaster, I can see it only getting worse.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 20 2009, 9:05 AM
10-15 years at max, you people already have Indian and other Asian groups as MP in your parliament. Soon your country will be a turd world country as well, i heard theres a brick lane(name of a place) in London that houses Bangladeshi families, been thr?
Soon the pure ivory white of Britain will be replaced by Asian, African etc etc etc.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 20 2009, 10:47 AM
Dream on idiot, and while you're doing it learn to count.
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Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 20 2009, 6:07 PM
you people already have Indian and other Asian groups as MP in your parliament. Soon your country will be a turd world country as well
Jeez man, I mean everybody recognizes that if white people get replaced by Indians in a nation the nation will soon become a turd world country, but I'd have expected an Indian to be the last person to give voice to the thought. lol.
F.uck an eye for an eye. You take my eye, and I will kill you, and all those you care about. That is our policy.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 20 2009, 6:25 PM
Who needs to dream when muslims account for less than 3% yet they rule your country, they are the new elites. Your prince just appologized for calling someone a paki, Lavrov told Miliband to shut the **** up and he did what he was told, brits today have no balls.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 20 2009, 10:41 PM
You were in that meeting too were you Admiral.
Access to high level meetings between government ministers, information about secret Russian naval intelligence on British nuclear submarine locations, you must be very "special" where you come from..., or in your own mind at least.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 21 2009, 4:23 AM
Lavrov told Miliband to shut the **** up
Wow you must have gone threw a **** load of hand lotion; youve been wanking over that for months!
So how many hours did it take you to come up with that?
Give the man a break he hasn't had half the practice at posting crap that you've had. And may I say how accomplished at it you are! (2 seconds btw, including reading time)
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 21 2009, 10:03 AM
""So how many hours did it take you to come up with that? You seem to be getting a little grumpy, go fetch milk and cookies and take a nap.
But hey, I guess being ruled by pakis may not be such a bad thing, they will soon take care of the gas guzzler tax by importing donkeys for everyone.""
Listen Rasputin, never mind how long it took me to come up with it, however long it was (about 45 seconds including typing time) it was worth it, you're response however is amongst the lamest i've read on this forum for some time, running out of steam are we.
The donkey thing shows clear signs of desperation.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 21 2009, 3:48 PM
Oooohhh, britonion called me lame, I guess the future of riding on donkeys is not as appealing to him, ehh? If youre in construction I hear they need more mosques to get built, when you lay down the bricks just make sure not to call them pakis as they should be referred to as "Your Majisty from Pakistan". I also hear there is a sale on burkas, you might want to stock up for the next few decades or so. I just hope they dont turn the big ben into another mosque, how in the world would the brits tell time then?
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 21 2009, 4:17 PM
Oooohhh, britonion called me lame, I guess the future of riding on donkeys is not as appealing to him, ehh? If youre in construction I hear they need more mosques to get built, when you lay down the bricks just make sure not to call them pakis as they should be referred to as "Your Majisty from Pakistan". I also hear there is a sale on burkas, you might want to stock up for the next few decades or so. I just hope they dont turn the big ben into another mosque, how in the world would the brits tell time then?
You "heard", we live here, we know better than you
BTW, hows being an immigrant in the US working out for you?
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 21 2009, 6:02 PM
Britain is 90% white, the fact that it has ethnic MPs is just a sign of pluralism and tolerance, not weakness.
In some Gulf Arab countries, the immigrant population outnumbers the indigenous residents, but the power is still with the local Arabs.
India's unofficial ruler is an unelected white Catholic woman. A white Italian rules over 1 billion Indians.
I live in London and have friends of many different backgrounds. I could go into all sorts of detail about the ground realities here.
The British ruled 1/4 to 1/3 of the world, they are very clever and cautious, do you really think the most Euro-sceptic major country in the EU which hasn't joined the Euro and wants to maintain its own separate identity is going to become controlled by some other race? Anyway Moscow is more Muslim than London, Azeris are around 15%, Tatars are around 10% and then add Central Asians and Caucasians (Dagestanis, Chechens) and it's around 1/3. Then if you add the Christian Armenians, Georgians, Jews and others, a lot of Moscow is non-Russian.
Russia's main patriarch and Mufti speaking together
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 21 2009, 6:16 PM
lol, actually Moscow is more white than Britain as a whole, only about 5% are muslims. Most of them get deported anyway since they dont have a residency card saying they live there, and Moscow cops arent too friendly with them.
Brits are rulled by muslim, the new elites in their country. If you want to see a difference then put a rag over your head and walk in London and then walk in Moscow. The brits are scared sh1tless of muslims and are afraid to open their mouth to say anything. But frankly I dont really care, if they want to ride donkeys then its their choice.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 21 2009, 7:12 PM
lol Damn our ruling Muslim elite who invade sovereign......Muslim countries and give unwavering support to Israel! ADMIRAL AKBAR!!!
Admit it, you're just pissed we don't give a **** what Russia thinks, a country with a much larger Muslim population that ours and that really is ruled by an elite, zee Juice!
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 21 2009, 9:34 PM
""Oooohhh, britonion called me lame,""
Actually no i didn't call you lame at all, i called your response lame. A freudian slip on your part perhaps.
""I guess the future of riding on donkeys is not as appealing to him, ehh? If youre in construction I hear they need more mosques to get built, when you lay down the bricks just make sure not to call them pakis as they should be referred to as "Your Majisty from Pakistan". I also hear there is a sale on burkas, you might want to stock up for the next few decades or so. I just hope they dont turn the big ben into another mosque, how in the world would the brits tell time then?""
Equally lame, for fu>k sake give it up man you're embarrassing yourself.
Saiful and Steven are spot on, Russia has a far larger and frankly more dangerous Muslim minority than the UK by far, same goes for Moscow compared to London. Does that mean Russia will eventuall become a Muslim country, unlikely in the extreme but a fu>king sight more likely than Britain ever getting there genius.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 22 2009, 1:06 AM
"Fifteen years ago, less than 1 percent of Moscow was populated by Muslims. Now, up to 20 percent of the population may be Muslim," he said. Demographers estimate Russia's Islamic community may account for a majority of the nation's population by mid-century.
"There are approximately 3.5 million Muslims in Moscow who have little chance to hear the Gospel of Jesus in a way they understand," Powell said. "They have traveled to Moscow to find better-paying jobs, but I'm praying they will find more than just steady work.
"The 2002 census found 14,5 million Muslims in Russia (around 10% of the population). However, in 2005, the Minister of Foreign Affairs Seigei Lavrov advanced the number of 20 millions. Others claim that Russia could have as much as 26 millions, including Azeri and Central Asian migrants. (See The Shadow of Islam over Europe by Aleksei Malashenko in the number 50, volume 5 issue of International Affairs.)
Not only important in numbers, the Muslim population of Russia is also very important historically. Islam arrived in Russia even before Christianity and it is only after long deliberations that Prince Vladimir of the Kievan Rus chose this second religion for his people in 987. After the conquests of Kazan and Astrakhan by Ivan the Terrible in the 16th century, Russia became a multi-ethnic and multi-confessional state in which Muslims and Christians have had to learn to live together.
Therefore, Muslim populations of the Volga region, like Tatars, Bashkirs or Chuvashs, are an integral part of Russia
Moscow has the largest Muslim population of any city in Russia, or in entire Europe. The estimates vary, but latest census shows that nearly two million Muslims live in Moscow, a city of 12 million. That is, one in every six Moscow residents is a Muslim
This person says 1/6, I have heard from reliable sources including a Russian Muslim (Tatar) himself that it's 1/3. The figures I quoted about Tatars and Azeris in my first post are from an American political science student in California.
Today, it is one of four mosques in Moscow serving a Muslim population of about 2.5 million. On Fridays and holy days, it overflows with worshippers, leaving many to kneel on newspapers outside, their foreheads pressed against the concrete
To truly understand modern Moscow, one must see beyond the stereotypes to the faces of nearly one-third of the citys 10 million people: Asian faces, Turkic faces Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Afghans people in search of help and hope.
However this source says the situation of Muslims is not good in Russia.
Russia is an Orthodox Christian majority state, to say it is going to become dominated by Muslims is just as silly as saying Britain will. However there is a sizable number of Muslims in Moscow which basically doesn't mean that much, and nor does the presence of many Muslims in London, or the UK.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 22 2009, 9:45 AM
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Islam arrived in Russia even before Christianity and it is only after long deliberations that Prince Vladimir of the Kievan Rus chose this second religion for his people in 987.
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That's complete crap. I've done fairly extensive research on Byzantium and this statement is complete crap.. The Rus were pagans before the arrival of Christianity, and many were pagans in secret afterwords.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 22 2009, 4:16 PM
Dee is right, Rus people were pagan, but I would even go further and say they were agnostic. That is they didnt really care, to them religeon was pretty irrelevant and their goal was simply to make money. Orthodoxy only spread because the Byzantine paid serious $$$ and gave away princesses. Muslims didnt venture to Moscow very often as they were considered an enemy, there were countless small scale conflicts with them as early as the 8th century, perhaps even earlier.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 22 2009, 7:31 PM
You do realize the people you posted arent practicing muslims? In fact I think Akinfeev is a devout orthodox, the general probably is too...
As I said there is no real Muslim demographic "threat" (as some anti-Muslims here would call it) to Russia. Russian Muslims are generally secular. Tatars are shrewd and pragmatic people who are not interested in confrontation with Moscow.
Marat Safin with a Tatar Imam
Putin with Russian Muftis.
Tatars in a mosque.
Muslims in Moscow.
Tatars in Kazan.
Putin with the president of Tatarstan.
Russia, the former communist superpower, has said it wants to join the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC). One may wonder that a country like Russia, whose population is mostly secular, truly intends to join the worlds leading Islamic organization. Yet, it is true. Russia wants to join the OIC because of the growing importance of Islam and its 1.3 billion followers in world affairs, and to enhance cooperation with Islamic nations, said Russian Ambassador at Large Veniamin Popov.
Popov, who came to Jakarta last week as part of a global mission to boost Russias relations with the Islamic world, told The Jakarta Post and Kompas in an exclusive interview that Russia, home to some 20 million Muslims, qualifies in all aspects as an OIC member.
If a country like Guyana, whose Muslim population is just 9 percent of its total population, can become an OIC member, why not Russia, whose Muslim population is higher than the total number of Muslims in Malaysia and several Asian and African Muslim states? said Popov.
In fact, some OIC members have a Muslim population that is just under 20 percent of the national population. For example, Gabon, whose Muslim population is about 4 percent of its total population, became an OIC member in 1974. The Post asked Popov the reasons behind the Russian foreign policy to woo the Muslim community.
In the post-Sept. 11 world, especially among Western countries, there are negative perceptions about Muslims. But Russia believes Muslims have nothing to do with terrorism and in every religion, we have extremist groups that resort to violence and kill innocent people. We advocate a dialog of civilizations to solve these existing conflicts," he said, adding that Islam was the youngest, peaceful religion.
He rejected the assertion of some analysts that Russia wanted to exploit the growing anti-American sentiment among Muslims. This is not true. We want to improve our overall relations with the Islamic world, and economic ties cannot be excluded in this
context."
Popov, who admires Indonesias Pancasila state philosophy and Bhinneka Tunggal Ika (Unity in Diversity) concept, said terrorists had no religion and no nationality.
They are enemies of humankind," he said. Russia, which is a pluralistic society, wants to learn more about moderate Islam and peaceful coexistence among various religions from Indonesia, Popov said.
Thanks to a higher birth rate, the worlds Muslim community has also been growing faster than those of other religions. Within five to six years, the total number of Muslims may be equal the total number of Christians." According to The Vatican Yearbook 2000, there are 1.9 billion Christians (Protestant) and 1.45 billion Catholics across 239
countries.
At present, there are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, or 20 percent of the human population, and their numbers are growing at a tremendous pace in 1900, there were only 200 million Muslims in the world, or 12.3 percent of the human population.
Russia is no exception to this trend. Due to the religious revival after the fall of communism, all major religious communities have been expanding. Russias 20 million Muslims now constitute about 13 percent of its 150 million-strong population.
In 1991, there were 800 mosques in Russia. Now their number has gone up to over 7,000. Even in Moscow, we have one million Muslims in a population of 10 million," Popov said.
Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to Popov, is very keen to improve relations with the 57-member OIC, which includes Indonesia, the worlds largest Muslim-majority nation. In August 2003, Putin established a new division, the Islamic
Factor, under the ministry of foreign affairs. Popov is head of the Islamic Factor division.
Russia was admitted as a guest to the 10th OIC summit in October in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, where Putin roused Islamic leaders to an ovation when he said terrorism should not be equated with any religion. Russia will continue with its efforts to obtain observer status in the OIC and later, full membership, Popov said.
With only a 5 percent Muslim population, Thailand achieved observer status in the OIC in 1998. I think Russia will also get it." Russia is also planning to establish an Islamic university in Moscow this year.
During his stay in Jakarta, Popov met with Vice President Hamzah Haz and other government figures, as well as religious leaders from the largest Muslim organizations, Nahdlatul Ulama and the Muhammadiyah.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 24 2009, 7:09 AM
@choss- quoting Panda, "these white skinheads dont stand a chance against black gangsta". Reason they became skinheads is because their hot blonde ran away with a "coloured" man.
I dont have much ill feeling towards British, but i have problems with racist freaks like notanonymous and ppp who wont dare open their mouth when slapped by a black/brown/ yellow man etc.
@britopinion- I know u feel bad, but see for yourself the number of radical clerics and "sharia crimes" in London. Then come and speak here, like a psoter said- they may not have the numbers but they sure have the clout.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 24 2009, 8:11 AM
Jeez man, I mean everybody recognizes that if white people get replaced by Indians in a nation the nation will soon become a turd world country, but I'd have expected an Indian to be the last person to give voice to the thought. lol.
well we indian know the capabilities of indian politician better than anyone else
SURRENDER OF PAKI ARMY IN 1971 1N 1971 A NEW HISTORY AS WELL AS A NEW NATION WAS CREATED BY WE THE INDIANS..
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 24 2009, 11:08 AM
FN
""they may not have the numbers but they sure have the clout.""
Now that's the first correct thing i've seen you post for some time FN, well done, you're absolutely spot on.
The problem in this country isn't the numbers of immigrants from the third world prowling around, although they are way to high for me personally the figures are pretty clear on the numbers and the trends for the future. The real problem isn't the numbers but the influence of the relatively small numbers of Asians and blacks (compared to the 90% of whites) and their liberal white apologists.
They have a dis-proportionate influence to their numbers in many inner city council boroughs because they make special efforts to have elected one of their own as local councillors (all supported by the local asians or blacks population simply because they're asian or black of course, making a nonsense of the democratic process) and then proceed to use that influence to further the ends of their own minority populations over and above those of the general population locally and nationally which is in the vast majority of cases white. Certainly if you look at very small areas of some council boroughs you will find in a few cases larger than national average numbers of minorities, London is sprinkled with such boroughs as is places like Bradford and Birmingham, but outside these areas it's a rarity.
For the first time in many years in this country we're having reported cases of poll/ballot/vote fixing in local elections, something that was unheard of here. Who's responsible and where is it going on ?, asians and anywhere asians are running for a council positions it seems. Bringing the practises of their home country to be used here perhaps. To be fair in these cases the people involved it seems are of Pakistani or Bangladeshi origin rather than of Indian origin (Indians customarily integrate far better in the UK than other asians) and so no blame should be directed at them.
Why is all this happening, because the white population are still apathetic about it all, they still don't bother to vote in local (and for that matter national) elections in the numbers that they should if they had any appreciation and respect for the fact that they live in a democratic country. However that's the only reason and when and if the level of minority influence reaches a level that starts to pi>s everyone off on a regular basis then all of a sudden we'll suddenly see more whites voting, demonstrating and running for elected positions and as a result the minority influence will be swamped by the overwhelming white numbers (9/10 overall in the UK) and drop back down again, hopefully to the level that represents their very small numbers. Then perhaps the cycle starts all over again, who knows.
All that being said all this problem is at a local level in a very small number of local influential positions, the vast majority of the top positions in this country, in politics, in business, in the police and the armed forces, in the legal profession and every other area are still filled with the same people that filled them 200 years ago (often from the same families) and they are all white.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 24 2009, 12:13 PM
@FN, I know my friend, there will always be morons who will judge people based on their skincolor/noseshape etc also there will always be morons who take the loud ignorant minority as an example to judge others with similair appearance thinking a few google images proves anything.
But it is like you say these skin heads and their sympatizers are just a sad bunch no normal sensible person would buy into this "ubermensch" nonsense only people who have variouse social issues and handicaps will need to find such outlets to went their anger from.
Also we all need to keep in mind that ( not referring to you mate ) just like these loud idiotic Terrorist nationhating morons do not represent the majority of the immigrants from those countries, the Skinheads and people like notan do not represent the majority of the Brits and other European people.
From personal experience based on the number of Brits I know and have met I must say they are a very tolerant and sensible people.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
January 27 2009, 2:35 PM
^^ I know frend, and like i said. I have nothing against the brits but morons like ppp and noty with their racist hate against Indians is something i dont like.
I mean if you look at India and how we got our independence we have achieved far more than the Dutch have till date.
@britopinion- "Now that's the first correct thing i've seen you post for some time FN, well done, you're absolutely spot on."
Coming from you thats rich.
Well i didnt read your long essay, and i didnt want to go into such a long complicated debate. You dont need to justify me, just look around and ask yourself. There are radical churches in London and England with people taking to streets and openly bashing UK; even a youtube video was posted a few months back i guess.
Now the thing is, was such a volatile social condition present 10 years back? Is anything done to stop it? You say something against a mullah cleric and next thing you know you will be arrested on charges of racism. You foolish people move from one extreme to another, first you beat "coloured people" if they come into "white places", and now you overlook their daylight crimes in the fond illusion that you can overlook your past racism.
Sparing a criminal or terrorist for being black/brown is not racial tolerance- its downright stupidity.
You do nonsense like these, seeing your stupid actions the groups like neo nazis get their racism ammo and then they target people of non-white races.
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
February 1 2009, 9:56 PM
\\India's unofficial ruler is an unelected white Catholic woman. A white Italian rules over 1 billion Indians.\\
Wrong. Sonia Gandhi may have been born as an Italian Catholic, but she has married a Indian, adopted Hinduism, changed her Italian Catholic name Atonio Maino to a Indian Hindu name Sonia Gandhi after marraige and speaks Hindi. I and many Indians oppose her not because of her race or religion, but because of her non-expereince in administration and politics.
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Let Noble Thoughts Come to Us from All Sides- RigVeda
Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
February 10 2009, 5:14 AM
like i always said in the past.
russia is our friend(time tested).
these new so called friends of ours like usa and britain are only back stabbers.
we better make friends with iran again who have supported us in the past rather then with these britons who are so scared of muslims that in order to please them they want to make enemies with us.
and about sonia gandhi, yes shes roman catholic and yes indian majority elected her in the elections beacause
of her dedication and determination to lead the country forward, not for her race or gender like u racist pigs do.
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Re: Brit Sikh detective suing UK police force for not being promoted again
February 10 2009, 5:22 AM
world as seen by americans and britons(so called friends of india).
i have no illusions.these muslim boot lickers deserve to get their cities bombed by terrorists.
i just came to this forum by chance ,asia pacific is ok with me, i think i will vomit or through up ( chinese and pakis r much preferable in that forum rather then these britons and eagle ss whatever).
This message has been edited by jat_sikh on Feb 10, 2009 5:36 AM