Xenofobic Alarm in Trentino Alto Adige: cell-phone alarm with the voice of muslim muezzin interrupted by shot followed by tyrolean polka song is top hit
(AGI) - Bolzano, 17 April - Bolzano state police are in the processing of arresting 16 individuals in Merano, Scena, Tirolo, Lagundo and the surrounding areas as part of the "Odessa" operation. The latter is an operation conducted by the DIGOS section of police (special investigations) and is the conclusion to a complex and articulated investigation which identified and disbanded a consolidated and sizeable South Tyrol group between the ages of 17 and 27, accused of incitement to discrimination, hatred and violence for racial, ethnic and national reasons. The 8 violent acts by the youths (assault and battery as well as intimidation) were committed against young Italians and foreigners held to be different for racial, ethnic or social reasons. The group had been in contact with extreme right movements in Austria, Switzerland and Germany.
Italy: Neo-Nazis vacation in German concentration camp
Milan, 12 Oct. (AKI) - A group of neo-Nazis from the northern Italian city of Bolzano have travelled to the German concentration camp of Dachau where they posed for photos giving the Nazi salute.
Seven members of the group went to the camp, located outside Munich in southern Germany, where they took several photos and later showed them to their friends and supporters.
Dachau was the first of several concentration camps and became a model for the Nazis when it opened in 1933.
More than 200,000 prisoners from 30 countries were believed to have been imprisoned in the camp - one third of them Jews. Around 30,000 people are believed to have died there.
The controversial photos were published on Friday in the investigative Italian weekly L'Espresso. The shots were seized by police during an inquiry about Nazi organisations in the Italian region of Alto-Adige which borders Austria.
"I believe the phenomenon of the neo-Nazi movement has been underestimated, and even tolerated," said the public prosecutor of Bolzano, Cuno Tarfusser.
"Certainly the potential to cause offence and the danger posed by this group has not been fully understood."
Tarfusser said there were at least five neo-Nazi organisations operating in the region of Alto Adige.
The group who travelled to Dachau reportedly took photos in front of the main entrance below the camp's sign, "Arbeit Macht Frei" or "work will set you free" and posed in front of the camp's crematoriums giving the Nazi salute.
The neo-Nazis come from an organisation called the Sudtiroler Kameradschaftsring for the liberation of the South Tirol and reportedly had an internal hierarchy based on a military model.
They are reportedly committed to the veneration of Hitler and instigating racial hatred.
Aged between 18 and 26, the group members who went to Dachau were charged under Italian law and received conditional jail sentences between 12 and 30 months. They are now free.
The area of the South Tirol or Alto-Adige region was formerly part of Austria. Despite separatist tensions in the 1960s, it has has remained a peaceful area.
The Jewish Community of Rome said on Friday the action of the neo-Nazis was unacceptable and should not be tolerated.
"We should not remain silent or indifferent," Riccardo Pacifici, a spokesman for the organisation, told Adnkronos International (AKI). " We should reflect on what happened."
The Mancini law introduced in 1993, permits the prosecution of individuals for inciting violence for a broad range of hate crimes. It was not applied in this case.
under italian opression its just natural that nationalists are the norm there
let them free, they dont want to be italian, they dont pay taxes for italy aswell, italy has no us with them, they are germans and therefore deserve better
Napoleon auf St. Helena: "Hätte der Himmel gewollt, dass ich als deutscher Fürst geboren wäre und hätten Sie mich einmal zu Ihrem Kaiser gewählt und ausgerufen so scheint mir noch Heute, dass Sie nie von mir abgefallen wären und ich Heute nicht hier sitzen müsste."
They are better off in Italy. Atleast in Italy they can be German and proud of it. In Germany you have to hate yourself or else you are a racist and a nazi and people spit on you if you end up in the military. I bet there are more German flags in South Tyrol than in Germany.
the wehrmacht was celebrated on the streets when they captured italy, little girls gave cookies to ss soldiers, it was a beautiful picture
of one peoples being freed, too bad it didnt last for a long time
still italy does not allow former partisans to come back to their own ccountry
f*cking italian facists even ´hail the moussolini monument, south tyrolans are damn serious about leaving italy, their standard of living only seems high in the eyes of italians, they still pay 10% tax tribute to italy, they are far better off alone
Napoleon auf St. Helena: "Hätte der Himmel gewollt, dass ich als deutscher Fürst geboren wäre und hätten Sie mich einmal zu Ihrem Kaiser gewählt und ausgerufen so scheint mir noch Heute, dass Sie nie von mir abgefallen wären und ich Heute nicht hier sitzen müsste."
Napoleon auf St. Helena: "Hätte der Himmel gewollt, dass ich als deutscher Fürst geboren wäre und hätten Sie mich einmal zu Ihrem Kaiser gewählt und ausgerufen so scheint mir noch Heute, dass Sie nie von mir abgefallen wären und ich Heute nicht hier sitzen müsste."
most of the german community members are german speakers (1/5 are italian speakers or mixed who have convenience to claim themselves as "germans" to benefit of economic and job benefits granted by law to the "german" community, forex for most of XXth century the local german leader or "obman" was a Mr Silvio Magnago)
but ethnically they are germanized northern italians (most of them from the ladin speaking community) and of alpine race
some are descendants of germanized slavs the Habsburgs settled there (5-10%, possibly much more), many originally from Poland, Czechia, Slovakia
"true" germans are possibly only 10%, may be 20% if you consider the mixed ones
^^
did you just pull these numbers out of your rear entry?
did you forget that northern italy is populated by germanic tribes who call themself italian now, thats why the north o italy is much richer then south btw.
will you show me where in germany where people are 100% german?
Napoleon auf St. Helena: "Hätte der Himmel gewollt, dass ich als deutscher Fürst geboren wäre und hätten Sie mich einmal zu Ihrem Kaiser gewählt und ausgerufen so scheint mir noch Heute, dass Sie nie von mir abgefallen wären und ich Heute nicht hier sitzen müsste."
^^^^^^ Dude, if that's how it's gonna be, then 25% of Germany belongs to Iran since that much is apparently of Iranic sychtian (I don't believe it though) blood.
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Re: South Tyrol soon to become German!
March 12 2009, 2:28 PM
The people of Southern Tyrol CAN'T be German!
.......Thier women aren't running around with black men....
I was asked if the germans of southern tyrol are ethnically germans
I replayed most of them are german speakers
ethnically or racially it is a different thing specially if you mean germans as a strictly nordic subgroup
in from a racial point of view south tyrolians and (to a lesser extent) northern italians looks as germans of Black Forest - Baden Wurtember region who are mostly of alpine race
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only the northern part of germany is truely nordic, aerea arround hamburg to rostock
rest is just usual central european germanic and yes, tyrolers are ethnic german, theres no need to discusss this, they even say this of their own. lol
Napoleon auf St. Helena: "Hätte der Himmel gewollt, dass ich als deutscher Fürst geboren wäre und hätten Sie mich einmal zu Ihrem Kaiser gewählt und ausgerufen so scheint mir noch Heute, dass Sie nie von mir abgefallen wären und ich Heute nicht hier sitzen müsste."
"^^^^^^ Dude, if that's how it's gonna be, then 25% of Germany belongs to Iran since that much is apparently of Iranic sychtian (I don't believe it though) blood."
well on the other hand germans are probably more scythhian then average iranians (ignore other groups such as kurds and arabs in iran) but we dont have any compareable test here anyways to make this even more confusing.
Napoleon auf St. Helena: "Hätte der Himmel gewollt, dass ich als deutscher Fürst geboren wäre und hätten Sie mich einmal zu Ihrem Kaiser gewählt und ausgerufen so scheint mir noch Heute, dass Sie nie von mir abgefallen wären und ich Heute nicht hier sitzen müsste."
As Far As I Know iranic populations as schytians and sarmatians are progenitors of many modern slav peoples as poles, serbs, croats russians (around 10% of their ethnic constituency), not of the german ones
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This message has been edited by diquinonsipassa on Mar 12, 2009 9:45 PM
outside Italy the common notion about italians is the one of (mostly) mediterranean sicilians (and I know lots of fair skinned and light eyed sicilians)
but central italians don't look differently from average albanians
and northern italians not differently from the average (non-gypsy) romenian, bulgarian, ukrainian
most of former yugoslavs may look northern or central italian as average
and half of poles can disguise themselves as northern italians
with the massive wave of immigrants presently in italy the thing is now quietly embarassing
specially when romenians and albanians get a remarkably non-distinguishing accent quietly fast
Melissa Satta
This message has been edited by diquinonsipassa on Mar 12, 2009 11:45 PM
(btw, this is a Miss padania contest but the girls aren't really "padanians" they are from everywhere in Italy; according their names and looks they are mostly central italians or of mixed heritage))
diquinonsipassa, I don't say she looks German cause of the hair. Look at her rectangular face and blue eyes also. I guess not many Italians have blue eyes.
And what's with all those good chicks ?
This message has been edited by 7castle on Mar 13, 2009 3:33 PM
i was also surprised but blue eyes are majority in northern italy, as i said before it iss because this aerea was overrun by germanic tribes who destroyed the roman empire
Napoleon auf St. Helena: "Hätte der Himmel gewollt, dass ich als deutscher Fürst geboren wäre und hätten Sie mich einmal zu Ihrem Kaiser gewählt und ausgerufen so scheint mir noch Heute, dass Sie nie von mir abgefallen wären und ich Heute nicht hier sitzen müsste."
I guess 50% of northern italians have blue, green and grey eyes aka light ones
brown eyes are the larger group only amongst people born in the last 50 years this means after the massive migrations from southern Italy
but blue eyes are quietly common also in Sicily as in many contries of the southern bank of Mediterraean Sea too
specially in Tunisia, Lebanon Syria and at a lesser extent in Algeria
natural blond hairs is quietly different
and btw Greece has two many times more blonds then Italy where brown is the more common hair color
as a national average for Italy
Dark eyes 50.058%
Light Eyes 49.942%
for Milan region only Light Eyes distribution is the range 57.94-53.94%
of course such data are quietly outdated now (er ... do you understand they are no more collected by official authorities after a notorious event of some decades ago)
This message has been edited by diquinonsipassa on Mar 13, 2009 5:20 PM
"as i said before it iss because this aerea was overrun by germanic tribes who destroyed the roman empire"
errr .... that was a current theory amongst nord european people during XIX century
more modern and scientific theories have different points
according the CONTINUITY THEORY the present racial, ethnic and anthropological structure of european peoples are still the same originated by the population processes of Neolithic Age
According the INDOEUROPEAN THEORY the present ethnical composition ot Italy has been established yet by the arrival of large groups of Indo-european immigrants back in the 2nd Millennium BC as
- ItaliDs (anchestors of later ItaliCs) arrived from present day Romania-Transylvania
- Venetics arrived from Central Europe (present day, Bohemia, Hungary, Austria
- Celts (or proto-celts if one adheres to the theory full celtic cultures start only with the Hallstatt-La Tène cultures), the truely first known celtic culture is the Canegrate culture existed in Lombardy in the XIIIth Century BC; it is als osupposed by some scholars celts entered in Italy before the other two indo-european groups
This message has been edited by diquinonsipassa on Mar 15, 2009 2:05 PM This message has been edited by diquinonsipassa on Mar 15, 2009 2:04 PM
Who cares, they are german and want heim ins reich. ne need to discuss
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Napoleon auf St. Helena: "Hätte der Himmel gewollt, dass ich als deutscher Fürst geboren wäre und hätten Sie mich einmal zu Ihrem Kaiser gewählt und ausgerufen so scheint mir noch Heute, dass Sie nie von mir abgefallen wären und ich Heute nicht hier sitzen müsste."
Germark, stop talking crap. Germanic has little to do with modern Germans in many instances and Germanics were a very varied groups. The Frank and the Burgunidans, also term germanic, were racially very different, the former originated somewhere East of Germany and the latter in Scandinavia. Northern Italians were and are primarily celtic. that place was once conquered by Gauls who defeatedd and eradicated the estrucans. The Gauls were beaten by the Romans but were assimilated however rather than eradicated. Northern Italy also saw Frankish invasion (of the French stock not the Germanic ones). The early French (or carolingian) ****ed the Lombard up just they did the entire Western Germnay, including the massacre of Saxons while we were imposing Catholicism on them.
Don't talk sh!t, many people in Western Europe can claim some sort of Germanic, Celtic or Roman Ancetry. Eastern Germany is still stinkingly poor compared to very romanised area like the Rhone.
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Cities are more recent by the Po than in Southern Italy or Greece. The first known inhabitants of the thick forests and swamps in ancient times were the Ligurians, a race of pre-Indo-European stock. After the progressive immigration of Indo-European peoples of Umbrian (Italic) stock, known as the Insubres (hence the name of Insubria sometimes given to northwestern Lombardy), in the 7th century BC the southern and central regions were conquered and colonized here and there by another non-Indoeuropean people, the Etruscans, who left some city names such as Parma, Ravenna or Felsina, the ancient name of Bologna, as part of their cultural heritage. The Etruscan domination left significant marks and introduced urban civilization, but was short-lived. As the 5th century BC dawned, a Celtic horde swarmed through the easy passes of the Western Alps and conquered most of the Po Valley, apart Veneto which had its inhabitants, likely of a distinct stock and in time already influenced by both Etruscans and Greeks.
It had been known for long time that there was an early Celtic (Lepontic, sometimes called Cisalpine Celtic) presence in northern Italy since inscriptions dated to the sixth century BC have been found there.
The Canegrate culture (13th century B.C.) testifies for the arrival of a first migratory big wave of probably Celtic populations from the northwest part of the Alps that, crossing the alpine passes, had yet infiltrated and settled down in the western Po area between the Lake Maggiore and the Lake of Como. They were bearers of a new funerary ideology, who supplanted the old culture of inhumation, introducing the cremation.
From the archaeological evidences it can be deduced that their impact with the precedent populations had not been completely pacific. The absolutely typical and isolated Canegrate findings do not make to think to a connection with the precedent Polada culture and of a graduated insertion of theirs.
The population of Canegrate maintained his own homogeneity for a limited period of time, approximately a century, in order to melt themselves then with the Ligurian aboriginal populations and to give origin with this union to a new phase called the Golasecca culture.
The site of Golasecca, where the Ticino exits from Lake Maggiore, was particularly suitable for long-distance exchanges, in which Golaseccans acted as intermediaries between Etruscans and the Halstatt culture of Austria, supported on the all-important trade in salt.
Situation of the Golasecca culture to the south of the Hallstatt culture.In 391 BC Celts "who had their homes beyond the Alps streamed through the passes in great strength and seized the territory that lay between the Appeninne mountains and the Alps" according to Diodorus Siculus. The Po Valley and the rest of northern Italy (known to the Romans as Cisalpine Gaul) was inhabited by Celtic-speakers who founded cities such as Milan. Later the Roman army was routed at the battle of Allia and Rome was sacked in 390 BC by the Senones.
"Germark, stop talking crap. Germanic has little to do with modern Germans in many instances and Germanics were a very varied groups."
true, they are not only germanic, they are german!
Napoleon auf St. Helena: "Hätte der Himmel gewollt, dass ich als deutscher Fürst geboren wäre und hätten Sie mich einmal zu Ihrem Kaiser gewählt und ausgerufen so scheint mir noch Heute, dass Sie nie von mir abgefallen wären und ich Heute nicht hier sitzen müsste."
if someone speaks german, claims to be a german and other germans recognize him as a german
what is the problem ?
of course once a time there was a Adolph Hitler guy who didn't believe german jews were really germans
but evidently our mate Ger_mark isn't ine if Mr Hitler's followers
btw, your 90% rate on taxes is wrong, Ger_mark
it is 87% of the local taxes who are the direct share due to the provincial administration balance
then there is a 10.4% who is collected by the italian central authorities and then transferred to the provincial administration
again there is another fund amounting about 30% of local revenues which is provided from the central administration (on taxes payed elsewhere in Northern Italy) to fund the local activities of the central government
so the south tyrolers receive 130% of what they pay in taxes
really the danegeld is much higher simply central and local authorities don't want italian citizens know how high is the cost to bribe the self_styled "germans" of south tyrol to remain in Utaly
this is the reason I believe they aren't really serious in their aim to join the Vaterland (!!!!)
those crooks simply play the austro-german card in a play to have money
they know under the german thumb they'll have far less local authonomy and money
my two cents on the matter
Melissa Satta
This message has been edited by diquinonsipassa on Mar 16, 2009 6:05 PM
Italy needs to revoke the special autonomy statute of South Tyrol and rescind German as an official language of the region.
The whole German nationalist thing would then collapse in a matter of months.
Besides, it's not like it matters, considering that North Tyrol becomes increasingly Italian-speaking by the day.
I'll tell you what, GERMark,
if we can get back Istria and Dalmazia, you can have your little South Tyrol. I'd be perfectly satisfied with that settlement.
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The whole German nationalist thing would then collapse in a matter of months.
Besides, it's not like it matters, considering that North Tyrol becomes increasingly Italian-speaking by the day.
"
as you did in the past, wich ended with insurgency, this time they are better organized and come in greater numbers then back then to fight you italian facists
north tyrol becomming italian-speaking? ahh do they know that? LOL
Napoleon auf St. Helena: "Hätte der Himmel gewollt, dass ich als deutscher Fürst geboren wäre und hätten Sie mich einmal zu Ihrem Kaiser gewählt und ausgerufen so scheint mir noch Heute, dass Sie nie von mir abgefallen wären und ich Heute nicht hier sitzen müsste."
I don't know why Italy doesn't just encourage ethnic Italians abroad to go back home and settle in the german parts, There are millions of ethnic Italians who migrated to the America's less then a 100 year ago, and most still call theirself Italian, even in the U.s.
Btw, my history teacher in highschool was from Tyrol too, she looked German.
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This message has been edited by fightclub20 on Mar 21, 2009 1:30 AM
"as you did in the past, wich ended with insurgency, this time they are better organized and come in greater numbers then back then to fight you italian facists
north tyrol becomming italian-speaking? ahh do they know that? LOL"
It's rich to hear a Nazi calling someone a Fascist.
I am a supporter of the old Fascist regime though, but at least we didn't have urges to cremate people by the millions.
LOL, insurgency? You act as if there was some kind of widespread resistance. There were a bunch of terrorist bombings, nothing more.
All it takes is to rescind German as the official language, and to give the Altoestani the choice to either remain in Italy and accept Italian, or to move to Austria where they might feel much better (though Austrians consider them laughing stocks).
And if there is a revival of the terrorist movement, easy - bring the region under martial law until it is crushed.
Re: South Tyrol soon to become German! March 20 2009, 11:07 PM
>I'll tell you what, GERMark,
>
>if we can get back Istria and Dalmazia,
>you can have your little South Tyrol.
>I'd be perfectly satisfied with that settlement.
No problem.
Just come and take it...
...you no-good, worthless Gypsy nation.
Should of just expelled the Germans after the war. No more problems. Isn't that right Ger_Mark?
Ironic all the most extremist Germans were always outside what you could call German lands. If it ain't Prussia its these clowns in Tyrol.
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Poor Germany, they are so weak that countries like:
Belgium
Netherlands
Poland
Austria as a whole
France
Italy
etc
all have taken their part of the German motherland and there's nothing Germany can do about it.
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People talks alot about eye colour or hair colour but that is because that is the most obvious signs one can see but still DNA or even scullhsape are more precise factors, many times persons with different hair or eye colour can be more closely related then those that have the same (as in case with many siblings), ofcourse the other way around may be more common but not as completely as people sometimes generalize
there are french or italian people with brown eyes and dark hair that are actually closely related to germans whether they have blue eyes or not for example if you look at their DNA especially in a global perspective they are related together with the celtic mix they also have germanic roots all the way back to Charlemagne and Karl Martell as europeans, with some gallic-viking normands to.
Also Germany have lots of french protestant heritage
When there comes to these territory exchanges and disputes there are no perfectly fair och even solution but one suggestion would be that Italy gave a small part of Sout Tyrol to Austria and that Italy in return got a small part of Slovenia with Trieste, Serbia got a small part of Kosovo where the serbs live and are concentrated (while giving a smaller part to SLovenia ) and Albania merged and got the rest of Kosovo.
Voila !
Historicly though most likely SOuth Tyrol was roman and gallic before germanic !
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Others are not the case.
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Just to give you a few hints:
France has Elsas-Lautharingen (spelling?) with as big city Strasbourg,. Belgium has Eupen, Malmedy.
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