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Excellent Article

September 14 2008 at 4:51 PM
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http://www.theliberal.com/News/Sports/article/81079

Level playing field holds key to Central success
September 11, 2008 09:14 PM

By: John Cudmore

At long last, the realization hit home that to continue with a business-as-usual mentality was to merely spin wheels for members of the Ontario Provincial Jr. A Hockey League.

That pretty much nutshells the desire of eight franchise owners and the governing Ontario Hockey Association to shake things up in the junior hockey community and cause all that off-season kerfuffle in the Ontario Provincial Jr. A Hockey League.

That shake-up is the introduction of a pilot project — to be known for now as the Central Division — involving eight teams, including the Newmarket Hurricanes, Markham Waxers and Stouffville Spirit.

Designed to be progressive, innovative and, ultimately, to put into play many of the issues only talked about over the past several years, it will be a must-see this season.

For starters, there is a plan of action and a will to act on the part of the Central teams.

Hopefully, the end result — a pilot project aimed at setting a new course for junior hockey from A to C in Ontario — will be one that has enough impact to actually alter the landscape for the sport.

That would make this test a good kerfuffle, as kerfuffles go.

The concept arrives none too soon. For far too long, the league has been a mess. Too many teams that have no business, or idea, how to operate at what ought to be an elite level have been allowed to hang around.

If the concept is, as advertised, an attempt to forge a new path for junior hockey in Ontario, other owners will warm to it.

The stubborn few detractors may still curse the methods by which they contend the project came about — a lot of misinformation, legal threats and whining persists — but the reality is, had not the OHA and participating teams got themselves in front of this project, it is almost a certainty nothing would have changed in a tired, stale and outdated junior hockey community.

The simple fact is, eight teams working in a single interest have achieved lots already, ranging from marketing its players to scouts across North America via video streaming for most games, to a common travel arrangement and educational experts contracted to put players on the trail to the next level.

On the other hand, the so-called core group of 29 other teams countered with their own proposal for a new approach, including several identical notions at one point this summer. To date, none have been implemented.

There is more to come from the Central Division, all of it designed to improve and promote players.

The project is not a breakaway league, although it may set the tone for such in future seasons. It is not a rich boys club, yet many of the ownerships possess some serious enough coin. Nor is it a collection of teams planning to collect all the top talent they can find in an effort to take a run at the Royal Bank Cup.

Rather, the plan is to become one day a viable place to be for players seeking to advance hockey careers.

‘It’s about giving kids a better experience so that they want to be here. There’s a lot of things we can do because we could never get 36 teams to agree.’

The key is to establish a level playing field. That is, outfit everyone with the same rules, budgets, philosophies, equipment and opportunity and see how it shakes out.

Each of the eight teams are required to make available funds within their budget to help cover league initiatives. Although $300,000 has been floated as a buy-in figure, that’s not exactly precise. Fact is, budgets are a floating figure subject to fluctuation depending on several factors, including potential revenue streams.

“A level playing field is important but it is also about spending money on proper services and equipment for the kids as well as about marketing on the players and league,” said Newmarket Hurricanes’ majority owner Anthony Pietramala.

“If you’re spending $80,000 to $100,000 on a season, you’re not providing the proper services or equipment for your players. If you want to be part of the standards we’re putting forward, it costs money.

“It could be more or it could be less, we’ll see. But we’re also working at revenue generation to offset costs.”

The money required to operate properly alone ought to eliminate from the Jr. A ranks several teams down the road who have no business, or inkling, about how to operate at this level.

Look at it this way, if one were to trim the 37-team roster in the OP down to say, 12 or 16 teams, and add in a half-dozen or so of the top Junior B teams in the province, you’d have an interesting package for the fans, scouts and potential advertisers.

It’s this simple: If no one is willing to try, nothing changes.

“It’s about giving kids a better experience so that they want to be here,” Pietramala said. “There’s a lot of things we can do because we could never get 36 teams to agree.

“League generated funds are non-existent in the OPJHL as teams can’t get on the same page to do things together to generate significant funds through synergies. These funds are substantial both in cost savings as well as revenue generations.”

There is no reason to think the members of the Central Division will be any better or worse than their peers in the league’s other three divisions or their own past performances, although the Central does possess some of the traditional heavy hitters in the Wellington Dukes, Markham Waxers and St. Michael’s Buzzers. In fact, in some cases it could well be that the Central teams will undergo growing pains before their true potential is realized, given the chance the project is extended beyond one year.

Cobourg Cougars, Hamilton Red Wings and Toronto Jr. Canadiens round out the field.

Within itself, chances are there will be more parity than ever before on the scoreboard. It could happen otherwise, of course, but it seems fans will be subjected to fewer nights in which outright mismatches outnumber quality match-ups.

“I think we’ll be more skilled and, overall as a league, all we can do is put our best foot forward,” said Pietramala.

But this much is true — the pilot group has shown an ability to not only talk the talk but walk the walk. It may not seem like a lot just yet, but scouts are paying attention judging by the numbers in attendance at pre-season games.

Consider this: could any of this have happened had the unwieldy league remained as it was with 37 teams apparently unable to agree whether it is day or night?

Not a chance


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Re: Excellent Article

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September 15 2008, 8:29 AM 

In response to the article, there is "NOTHING" wrong with the introduction of the Central Division, and quite honestly it should have happened some time ago!

The problem is, and has always been, how it was done! Backdoor, buddy, buddy handshakes, unsuspecting castoffs. The idea was right (as I've maintained all along), how it was introduced was completely bush league! Nuff said!


 
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September 15 2008, 8:48 AM 

A couple of comments I just love in this article.

1) "Its not a rich boys club" RIIIGGHTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2) "run at the Royal Bank Cup" RIIIGGHTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What a great laugh I got out of this!

 
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September 15 2008, 10:14 AM 

1) "Its not a rich boys club" - Blockit, definite "rich".

2) "run at the Royal Bank Cup" - If it happens che sara sara.











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September 15 2008, 12:13 PM 

Hey 'Dog, who the hell is this Sera person anyway? (teehee)

 
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September 15 2008, 12:31 PM 

Well, it will be interesting to see what these rich boys do when the alignment returns to its original format next season. My prediction made earlier this summer will come true, I think, they will completely breakaway from the OP and OHA and join our good friends from the south. Only time will tell.

 
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joining the south

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September 15 2008, 3:06 PM 

Unfortunately not one Ontario Junior A team comes close to meeting USHL standards.
-10 of their 12 teams had avg attendance last year over 2,500. Chicago with around 1000 has been treading on thin ice and Ohio with 500 is gone.
-The 12 team USHL has 140 NCAA Div I Freshmen this year - why affiliate with Ontario teams that promote development of players for the NCAA in the same breath they mention developing players for the OHL - the USHL's hated enemy?
-corporate partnership and sponsorship standards?

I am not sure the OP can even meet tier II NAHL league requirements. The expansion Wenatchee Wild were granted a franchise this year on the condition that they sell 1000 season ticket packages (with a $15/ticket avg price) and also solicit $200,000 in corporate sponsorship.

 
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September 15 2008, 4:23 PM 

"Why affiliate with Ontario teams that promote development of players for the NCAA in the same breath they mention developing players for the OHL - the USHL's hated enemy"

Because its all talk. If that was not the case, why did they limit the number of 20 year-olds? Don't worry my friend, again, only time will tell.

 
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September 15 2008, 7:01 PM 

"Hey 'Dog, who the hell is this Sera person anyway?"

That would be Qui serais, serais or something like that. The dog was close.



But we know he meant "whatever will be, will be".

BTW, I agree totally with you, regarding the formation of the Central and how it was done.



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September 16 2008, 1:59 AM 

"Because its all talk. If that was not the case, why did they limit the number of 20 year-olds? Don't worry my friend, again, only time will tell."

Do you mean limited 20 year olds like, Wellington's & Jr. Canadiens 7 each?

Why in the world would the USHL want anything to do with any of the OPJHL teams or Super Division teams. The USHL would have nothing to gain & could only damage their reputation with the shysters.

I could see the division breaking away from the OPJHL, but that would be in the form of another league with some others tagging along.

 
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September 16 2008, 9:40 AM 

Apparantly for every 20 year old signed, you use 2 cards. So if those teams have signed 7 20 yr-olds, they have burned 14 cards. Having said that, this is a transition year. The 20 year olds will be reduced for next year. I have heard most likely to 0. Again, we will see what transpires.

 
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Are you kidding me

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September 16 2008, 11:49 AM 

you do not lose 2 cards for 20 year old, each team is allowed 7 20 year olds if you take a 20 year old from the OHL he counts as 2 20 year olds but you do not lose 2 cards. So for example if you 3 20 year olds from the OHL that would count as 6 20 year olds, but your still only using 3 cards.

 
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September 16 2008, 5:09 PM 

"Anonymous (Login blockit)
Posted Sep 16, 2008 9:40 AM

Apparantly for every 20 year old signed, you use 2 cards. So if those teams have signed 7 20 yr-olds, they have burned 14 cards. Having said that, this is a transition year. The 20 year olds will be reduced for next year. I have heard most likely to 0. Again, we will see what transpires. "


ZERO 20 year olds? What about the 20 year olds that are still eligible for an NCAA scholorship? If anything, I think that maybe they should make it so that they are the only 20 year olds allowed.

 
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September 16 2008, 7:48 PM 

"Wexdog" and "Wayne"

You are both wrong, the phrase is:

"Ce Qui sera sera"

It means "whatever will be will be"

 
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September 16 2008, 8:08 PM 

Que Sera, Sera (Whatever Will Be, Will Be)

Que Sera, Sera (Whatever Will Be, Will Be)"[1] first published in 1956, is a popular song which was written by the Jay Livingston and Ray Evans songwriting team.

French
Ce qui sera

SMC is correct with the translation but the actual song (Doris Day for the old folks) used the lyric Que Sera Sera. I imagine it just sounds better than Ce qui.

The expression is popular with old coaches when getting thumped by the opposition. Also popular with the Wall Street investment crowd these days when contemplating other life choices.

 
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SMC is wrong !

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September 17 2008, 9:18 AM 

I am not wrong ... sort of.

I typed in "sera sera" and got "Che sara sara" and even though I thought it was something more like "ca sera sera"(I knew it was not spelled exactly correct) it is what came up on the dictionary site I use.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/che%20sara,%20sara



"Que sera sera" is the exact wording and spelling I was looking for, which I found after I posted. Since I cannot edit on Tony's forum, I left it hoping against hope no one would notice. I do not know what I was thinking there, 'no one would notice', yeah right. lol

I wanted to quote the song. I did not care about exact spellings in other languages, I wanted the wording and meaning from the famous song as sung by Doris Day. This is backed up by several lyrics sites.

http://www.lyriczz.com/lyriczz.php?songid=12960

http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/d/doris_day/que_sera_sera.html

I could go on.

Here is Ms Day singing the song.
From YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7jG91sPvf0





Wayne, I have no idea where you got your spelling from "Qui serais, serais", but something in another language does come up when you Google it.

I will go as far as saying SMC may be correct in that he possibly spelled it correctly as far as Italian goes, I do not know Italian.
"ce qui sera sera" Something does come up when this spelling is Googled. In fact the first thing that does come up, reverts back to "Que sera sera".











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Re: SMC is wrong !

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September 17 2008, 10:24 AM 

Wexdog, the phrase "whatever will be will be" in the movie was French. The spelling in the Doris Day movie is a typical Hollywood change that sometimes "murders" the original proper language spelling.

"Ce qui sera sera" is the proper French spelling for the saying, it has nothing to do with Italian.

The Italian for "whatever will be will be" is:

"Cio che verra sara"









 
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Whatever

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September 17 2008, 10:20 PM 

French, Russian, Chinese, Spanish, Italian ...


I meant to quote the lyrics and meaning from the song.











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