After watching the beating Pierce handed to Alaby in ajax on sunday I have one piece of advice for everyone in the league, DO NOT FIGHT ARON PIERCE! It was painful to watch. i feel really bad for alaby and hope by some miracle nothing is broken and it would be a miracle.
If nothing is busted i hope the ajax staff keeps him out a week or so because the pounding he took you must suspect a concusion. i was personally upset and scared watching alaby skate off alone not know where the hell he was.
but ya dont fight Pierce after seeing that he could probably beat up anyone.
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I was at this game and saw this scrap.....alaby was messed up pretty badly, Pierce was impreesive in how quickly he messed this kid up...still waiting to hear what kind of suspension #14 (Howes) is gonna get...that kid is a loose cannon, plain and simple.
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It says on the point streak gamesheet as Abuse of the officials plus other things,i would say he may be out for awile and maybe a fine attached to the Panthers only my guess,he also started alot with the Attack fans..loose cannon is a soft word for this player,the league does not need this type of display in front of fans including children at games,also the Refs do not have to take abuse of this kind it was a discrace to the Panthers and the League!!!
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Mr Porco the owner brought in Howes and the Purias brothers-a very big mistake. Mr Porcos's son played with these guys on the midget Toronto Red Wings. Howes and Purias bros basically killed a very good red wing team out of plain selfishness.
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Fighting in hockey is now hand-in-hand with David Frost...???
Interesting you select to associate Pierc & Alaby with a man who's been accused of many, many, disgraceful things away from the rink/game...
For the record for those who didnt see the altercation, nobody was jumped, both were willing participants...
I'd like to hear your reason for selecting David Frost's website for this video & these two young men, and not any of the other sites that showcase hockey fights like 'hockeyfights.com' or 'gongshowhockey.com' etc...
David Frost is known to most of us because of the allegations about his misconduct with players away from the rink, and you have now suggested that the tape of this altercation be linked with that persons website and views of the game...
My personal views, I have no problem with fighting in hockey. I am in the opinion that it does result in less stick work after the whistle etc this is not meant to bring up that issue. But I ask, should my views and opinions, and the others that share them be associated with David Frost as well...?
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1 I agree with Sharpie and the pickering guy. bringing Frost into this and saying the video should be on there is awful. like was said nobody was jumped this was no goonery. just a fight where one kid was way tougher and a better fighter than the other.
2 I think Pierce is the toughest in the league. Pierce is a 90. Alaby a 89. Musselman 88. Pierce is young. To see him fight they way he did throw the punches he did and dominate like he did gives him the nod for me. kind of a pound for pound toughest but maybe even the all around toughest even though hes young. I wouldnt send or let anyone other than a 20 year old legit tough guy fight him if i was coach.
3 lost in this is Ajax won 5-4
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In no way did I mean to imply that Pickering, Whitby or the fight participants are to be lumped in with Mr Munster .
If I offended anyone by making this flippant comment, I am sorry.
Now everybody knows how I feel about fighting in hockey. It is the only team sport that actually allows and condones it. For all the fuss about its' appeal, I have never felt hockey needed it anymore than they need the likes of Sean Avery.
I tried, unsuccessfully, I might add, to make light of the fact the two posters were almost giddy about the fight.
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"...but ya dont fight Pierce after seeing that he could probably beat up anyone."
Leafbites
"...that kid is a loose cannon, plain and simple."
Simply put, some of the comments about this fight remind of a circus-like atmosphere that hockey fights often propagate.
Who knows better about circus-like atmospheres than David Frost?
Afterall. Frost believes that he has the secret formula for winning hockey games.
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I think you are still missing the point of the problem.
I do not believe anyone above has a problem with fighting in hockey, it is the linking to the idiot and his site of quacks that has people, at least me, questioning your judgement in this matter.
Fighting, not a problem. I like the fight game in hockey.
Linking players to that idiot's site, big problem.
To me, at least, it is the mere fact that you attempted, in jest or otherwise, to link anything to do with this league and the players in it, to that site.
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The two top heavyweights last year were Rory Smith and Bruce Crawford. Rory was about 6'2 210 and Bruce is 6'2 230. This year we now have Kody Musselman who is 6'2 and a big 205.
To compare these three guys to a 5'10 185 pound Aaron Pierce is laughable. These guys are much bigger and have fought much more against much much tougher players.
The two top heavyweights this year are Bruce Crawford and Kody Musselman. This will not change. Aaron Pierce is a legitimate middleweight.
A prime Floyd Mayweather would not defeat a prime Mike Tyson, please.
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If Pierce wants to be tough,he should stop being a wimp an take off his bucket when he is about to get it on,still ended up with cuts but dont hide,be a man!
I wish the Fury had someone to show him up in a fight,cudos to Alaby had guts and removed his bucket to have a fair fight!
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Both players started the fight with their helmets on equally...
Pierce punched Alaby's helmet off with one shot...
I have the highlight pack on my PVR at home - your statement that Alaby took off his helmet is COMPLETELY FALSE and either a blatant lie, or you didn't even see the fight (possible only the highlights) and wanted to stir the pot...
Either way, your post is completely immature and reprehensible. Fury555, you now have zero credibility as making up a completely fictional story is brutal (especially one where so many of us know what actually happened)...
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I tend to lean towards JPM's version of this for one reason...
IF Alaby had removed his helmet, he would have been assessed a Gross Misconduct for doing so. That is an automatic penalty which is not left to the referee's discretion.
Usually, what players will do during a fight is that both will remove their own helmets and both take the GRM equally, or else both will unstrap their helmets, allowing the other guy to remove it if he can. Sounds like the latter was the case here, and Pierce was the one that was able to remove the opponent's lid.
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Fury555...pierce one punched one of your players at the beginning of the year..(dalton smith)... seen him fight many of ,times and instead of taking the helmet off and recieving a suspension he usually undoes his chin strap so it falls off right away...typical fury fan...
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Both guys dropped the gloves and it began... There was a couple of seconds of squaring off, but it was an instant start, no helmets removed...
Whitby's trainer was on hand for the game, and we've spoken about it since - he can tell you tonight exactly what happened, which is exactly what I said happened...
I've put a call into Rogers TV to try and get the full visuals of the fight, and if so, I will find someone who knows how to upload to youtube (I currently logon to the net from work and can't from here)...
This will show that Fury555 is simply fabricating stories to try and undermine an 18-year-old young man. This shows the maturity and credibility of Fury555, and we can all judge the things he's said in the past, and will say in the future...
Sharpie youre also 2-for-2 in this thread. I never thought of the GRM proving Fury555 wrong right off the bat, and yes it also might be the first time me and Wex have agreed on things online LOL. Although there was one other time, that being when I e-mailed Wex asking him to fix my terrible proof-reading skills in the first Durham Cup release - he agreed to edit it for me and did so quickly. So maybe this is the 2nd time!
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hmmm so pierce wins the fight with his team leading the game and pisses off the attack with his gesture. The Attack then come back and win the game. Looks to me like he has some things to learn about fighting. Its not just about winning the fight, but timing is everything.
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I think the 'belt' gesture pierce shows in this is the middleweight belt, though he beat up a player with no fight experience. This is a stupid argument.
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I suggest you do some research before you start questioning people who actually know about the game, that way you will be on a closer level.
Rory and Bruce were both at #1 last season, in my opinion it should have been Crawford and Soso. Smith just fought jr.a bums in his career, much like pierce. Though Smith won the vast majority of his fights, he wasn't really tested. I put the boys with CHL fighting experience much higher than a bit of OP experience.
Much bigger and tougher guys there, in this case musselman who has fought a lot of OHL tough guys and had fairly poor success for the most part, still has the experience. Crawford fought the QMJHL tough guys and did a bit better, and his track record according to dropyourgloves and posts in this site from last season are impressive.
I am sorry if your friend pierce is taken lightly by myself in this matter. I have been a fight fan for years and he is too small and has too little experience to be considered anything.
You can maybe suggest to him that possibly making a few more aliases on this site so he can continue to talk up himself, that may push him onto the scene...then again maybe not.
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So the 4 fights Crawford has last year where he out outweighed his opponents by at least 40 pounds and had at least a 1 inch height advantage was impressive to you? Odd. As for his experience in the Q that was not part of your claim. You said that Crawford was a heavyweight last year and yet he did not fight anyone.
As for Crawford's QMJHL experience I went to the website drop your gloves. They have him listed as winning 4 of his 6 fights. The only time he was outweighed he was apparently TKO'd. Either way, I'm not contesting that Crawford can throw them. I'm contesting that he should be considered a top fighter last year.
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"Much bigger and tougher guys there, in this case musselman who has fought a lot of OHL tough guys and had fairly poor success for the most part, still has the experience. Crawford fought the QMJHL tough guys and did a bit better, and his track record according to dropyourgloves and posts in this site from last season are impressive.
I am sorry if your friend pierce is taken lightly by myself in this matter. I have been a fight fan for years and he is too small and has too little experience to be considered anything."
After reading this I am curious as to how you might rate Mike Jefferson (currently Mike Danton) during his career in the OHL...? Mike was all of 5'8-5'9 and I continuously watched him destroy guys from 2-8" taller and considerably heavier than he. Maybe go back and do some research.
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Yes but Stan Jonathan and Tie Domi had a tonne of fight experience. That is the difference.
I am not defending any one player here (Crawford), just defending my top two. At that time in the QMJHL crawford was listed at 194 pounds. So that pretty much eliminated your theory there. Looking at dropyourgloves.com, Kenny Pennel whom he beat had 18 fights that season, He also beat Kalin Paul whom had had 9 and was the #7 ranked fighter the following season. He also beat Brad Tesinkvwho had only 5 fights that year but was 6'4 215. His last win was against Roch who that season had 24 fights, Roch had 18 two seasons before, 32 in the season prior to their fight and currently has 17 fights in the famous LNAH fighting league in Quebec. Roch was also the #5 heavyweight fighter in the QMJHL when they fought.
His two losses were against Triston Manson and Kevin Cormier. Manson had 19 fights the season prior and 17 the season they fought. Manson had the narrow win (there was a video link to the fight a while ago on dropyourgloves). At this time Manson was ranked the #2 Heavyweight fighter in the QMJHL and I believe finished #2.
His big loss was to Kevin Cormier who has over 85 listed and probably over 100 career fights. Kevin Cormier went undefeated his last 37 fights in a row previous to Crawford is still on 53 win streak and has only lost one fight on his card in over 85 fights. Kevin Cormier was noted as the top heavyweight in the QMJHL in 2004-05 2005-06 and in 2006-07 when he fought Crawford. He was also known to be the top fighter in the entire CHL in 2005-06 and 2006-2007. He was rated the top heavyweight last season in his rookie year in the CHL.
pierce has never had a chance to fight the heavy weights (mussleman, crawford) but from watching him fight the last couple years i think he could give them a good fight...i would love to see those fights, i think they'd be great tilts. i must say though, never seen crawford fight.
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I like how you pick and choose what you want to consider fact from that site. He's listed as 230 on the sight, but that's wrong. However, all the fight data is 100% correct.
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He was 195 when he played in the Q. As is it were just spinning our tires here. My comment about Crawford not being a heavy weight was not referencing his days in the Q. It was simply referencing the fact that he fought nobody in the last year to demonstrate he was a heavyweight. I still believe that the figures on drop your gloves are skewed because it is an open source site and peoples opinions.
These are the results according to the site.
Pennel 3-4-1
Paul 2-1
Tesink 0-2
Roch 0-4-1
Cormier 12-0
Manson 4-3
Lots of fights of the fights go without results, which means the site does not completely prove anything. Also, just because a guy fights a lot does not mean he is any good. I have watched many guys who thought they could fight and continued to drop the gloves time after time; each time complete with beatings.
Arguing about fighting. I have hit a whole new low....
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What about guys like Jordan Shine, Joseph Serpe, Cody Smith, Dan Pinkney and a good middle weight south paw corey george. all guys who faught in the O.
not too many people ever try to test these guys too often.
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