Gentlemen or Gentleman. You have been the biggest supporter of the Attack on this thread. I can only assume that you are John Tugnutt, Cary Durant or Larry Gertzakis. The debacle that happened this weekend and the 16-3 loss in the Durham Cup has been a total disgrace to Ajax junior hockey. Its almost the same as a Junior A team playing a Midget team. Your decision(no doubt with the urging of Mr. Stein) to start a goalie that has no business being in junior hockey has destroyed the scholarship aspirations for a number of your players this year-with the exception of one. To end the season in this fashion you will undoubtedly force a number of players to look elsewhwere-just as happened last year. To John Tugnutt and Cary Durant: Your decision to employ babysitters on the bench(Gertzakis and Gatens) has also cost the team dearly. Jim Gatens has no business being on the bench because he doesn't have a clue how to run a defensive unit or correct mistakes. Babysitters are fine in minor hockey-not in junior. The players on this team have been delt a false hope that only Stein, Tugnutt and Durant are responsible. Cary Durant, if he was a true coach, should have stood up for his players and team.
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I agree with you 100%. If I was coaching a 'daddy-owned' team and the owner forced me to play his kid.........a kid that wasn't the best choice for that game...........I would quit. What a let-down for the rest of the players. You have to stand up for what you believe in, or it's all JUST NOT WORTH IT. What is that coach teaching the rest of his players....not integrity, that's for sure!
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We have to remember that many of these "Bench Puppets" are just that! NO balls, NO integrity, NO ethics and certainly NO backbone! For a great number of these ass kissers', they rely on this level of hockey as their ONLY source of income! As such, their morals change like the weather!
One interesting thought that has often passed through my pee brain, is how do so many of these "bridesmaids of life" communicate such high moral standards to the players that they coach, when they don't have any themselves? .... As if trying to give away something that they don't have! lol
I suppose more often than not these young players must decipher the good from the bad, blank out the negative bullsh%t that they are being force fed by their want-to-be professional coaches and utilize the foundation of tools that their minor hockey coaches and more importantly their parents have provided as a solid foundation from which to draw upon!
Just think back over the past few years of the names (which I'm not going to mention, but you all know) who are either behind bars, on the run or preying on the next unsuspecting community as their source of income! These are the very characters who utilize our kids as pawns in their manipulative way of life!
Thank goodness that so many of the young men who play this game at such an elite level move on to gain an education, a career and become contributing members of society ..... like their parents!
The one unanswered question that I have pondered the answer to for years is, why do so many parents who are made aware of these inbreds allow their sons to be associated with such undesirables?
Afterall, IF their son is good enough to make it to "The Show", it sure as hell won't be on the shoulders or endorsement of these bottom feeders that's for sure! Hell they can't make it themselves, so I'm sure as hell positive that they'll have very little impact on your future star!
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Wow, what a tirade. In the past I've appreciated reading most of your posts until this last one Tony. If you are referring to the people on the Ajax bench, you are way out of line. No, I do not have any connection to this team, but I do know the 3 coaches. They are all there for the right reasons, but unfortunately have to deal with an interfering owner, who is there primarily for his own kid. (Not that this is an unusual situation in this league) Could I personally put up with having to play the owner's son who is a goalie (at least if he was a forward you could hide him a bit better), no. But they are trying to do the best they can under the circumstances. We all know that a lot of the owners in this league are there because they have kids that play. Why else would you own a team that you are guaranteed to lose a good chunk of money by owning. It's not the best scenerio for any team, and that holds true with Ajax. I wish them the best in attempting to comeback from the first 2 terrible games.
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Boy are you ever out of touch with regards to this topic "iljv"! Did i mention "ANYWHERE" or make "ANY" reference to the Ajax Attack, or any team for that matter?
NO! I did not, where the hell did you ever get such an idea? A little insecure perhaps? Truth is I don't know a single individual associated with the Attack!
I've "NEVER" been to one single game of theirs, and have "NEVER" spoken to one single team representative in my life, other than with former Head Coach Gord Fournier, who is/was a very close friend long before his stint with the organization.
If you really need to know of whom I was refering to it was none other than the following:
Randy Gumbly: former owner/coach of the Streetsville Derby's (MIA)
Frank Carnevale/Vic (The Poison Dwarf) Cruisholo - former coaches of the Oakville Blades - departed the Western Division, suppose everyone was on to them, Oh yeah and Vic was suspended by the league
Peter Mavroudis - former director of player personnel with the Brampton Capitals and Georgetown Raiders - incarcerated
and the list goes on and on ......
So please stop ASSuming that everything is about the Ajax Attack .... because it isn't .... unless of course you want it to be?
Please note that the above list includes ONLY former team representatives located in the Western Division, so LOSE the insecurity "iljv" would you please?
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What's up "iljv"? NO fight left in ya? NO smartass reply after I "CLEARLY" identified whom I was refering to?
Didn't take very long for you to crawl baclk in your hole ...... did it? What were you expecting, a trashing of an organization that I know absolutely NOTHING about? Didn't happen did it?
I accept your apology even if you don't have the nads to offer one! Have a nice day ..... unless you plan otherwise! lol
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Well idiot skate I am none of the above but I do go to all their games. In fact I am a minor hockey coach from Ajax. You have alot to say but really don,t say anything at all. Do you rippeskate coach hockey? Does your kid play? You never once on this site owne up to anything except being a friggin idiot. I have met the staff in Ajax and all though I don,t know them well they have made a big differtence in the team this year. Stats don,t lie.You have always highlighted the negative points about everything never the positive things.Why don,t you apply for a job if you can do better. Are you qualified? It must be nice and easy to critize people from your computer chair. Just so you know the Wellington Dukes are my favorite franchise in thr OP but because I live in Ajax I support my local team.As for parent owners you seem very jealous about how much money people have and what they do with it.If you want to be apart of the club join and make a difference don,t come on here and rant and rave about other people. You have been a great source of slap stick comedy for all of us. Are you or do you come to the Ajax games? I would relish the chance to meet such a fine human being.Thanks loooooooser
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Ripp are you kidding with us on the forum that Ajax is a disgrace to Junior A Hockey and the Town of Ajax, you are a complete idiot, the team this year had more points than ever... made the playoffs for the first time... took round #1 vs Bowmanville as Wayjoy said Bowmanville would win it 3-1 and Ajax had no chance, and now because they are down 2-0 to Kingston and i remind you its a best of SEVEN you come up with this ****!
Give yourself a very big shake you dont understand the game of hockey, and one more thing they have many players that have been approched by NCAA scouts and players that in 2010 will be attending NCAA collages for hockey,its dam good to me the season Ajax has had so far, and the series is not over till someone wins four their not the only team to have problems against Kingston this year, but like i said its not over!
Also every Attack player that went to OHL club camps this year, stayed with those clubs and did not return to the Attack not bad in my books,so get your head out of your ass Rippskate you are a looser!!
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The only losers here are the ajax people responding to ripskate. He's making you look foolish. As for comedy, the 16-3 pounding by the fury. That was a comedy. a shakespearin tragic comedy.
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" No, I do not have any connection to this team, but I do know the 3 coaches. They are all there for the right reasons, but unfortunately have to deal with an interfering owner, who is there primarily for his own kid. (Not that this is an unusual situation in this league) Could I personally put up with having to play the owner's son who is a goalie (at least if he was a forward you could hide him a bit better), no. But they are trying to do the best they can under the circumstances. We all know that a lot of the owners in this league are there because they have kids that play. Why else would you own a team that you are guaranteed to lose a good chunk of money by owning. It's not the best scenerio for any team, and that holds true with Ajax. I wish them the best in attempting to comeback from the first 2 terrible games. "
You don't have a connection to the team but you know the 3 coaches----right.
They are all there for the right reasons---right.
But there trying their best under the circumstances--right.
Owners own teams because their kids play---right.
Losing money?--right.
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" I have met the staff in Ajax and all though I don,t know them well they have made a big differtence in the team this year. Stats don,t lie.You have always highlighted the negative points about everything never the positive things.Why don,t you apply for a job if you can do better. Are you qualified? It must be nice and easy to critize people from your computer chair. Just so you know the Wellington Dukes are my favorite franchise in thr OP but because I live in Ajax I support my local team.As for parent owners you seem very jealous about how much money people have and what they do with it.If you want to be apart of the club join and make a difference don,t come "
You have met the staff but you don't know them well--right.
The Wellington Dukes are your favourite team---right.
You live in Ajax and support your local team--which local team?---right.
Jealous of parent owners?--no--Lack respect for parent owners--yes--right.
Gee, you people can't even lie properly on here.
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" made the playoffs for the first time... took round #1 vs Bowmanville as Wayjoy said Bowmanville would win it 3-1 and Ajax had no chance, and now because they are down 2-0 to Kingston and i remind you its a best of SEVEN you come up with this ****!
Give yourself a very big shake you dont understand the game of hockey, and one more thing they have many players that have been approched by NCAA scouts and players that in 2010 will be attending NCAA collages for hockey,its dam good to me the season Ajax has had so far, and the series is not over till someone wins four their not the only team to have problems against Kingston this year, but like i said its not over!
Also every Attack player that went to OHL club camps this year, stayed with those clubs"
Best of seven after 11-1 and 9-1 losses. Rippedskate says Ajax wins next4---right.
They have many players attending NCAA for hockey in 2010--right.
The series is not over till someone-you mean Ajax-wins four---right.
Every Attack player who went to OHL camp stayed----right.
Rat, you lie worse then hockeynutt.
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Personally I was involved with ajax way back they have come along ways in cleaning up the organization. But why would you start a goalie in my books (is not even good enough for jr c) for two straight games and get blowin away. I feel sorry for the fans and the hard working players that have acclomplished being were they are right now in the playoffs. I don't no what Stein is trying to proove.
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"I feel sorry for the fans and the hard working players that have acclomplished being were they are right now in the playoffs. I don't no what Stein is trying to proove."
- Roof22
It does seem like Jenkins should have been the goaltender of choice. He may yet get his chance to pull the Attack out of the doldrums and make this series more competitive.
But to blame Stein cimpletely for their, thus far, lacklustre showing is a tad unfair. This team of players hasn't shown any propensity to support him and get themselves back into this series.
But there is always some stuff we are not all privy too that sometimes influences decisions that do not appear to make much sense to us.
I hope that is the case with Ajax. They have had a good season thus far and have come a long ways in a short time towards respectability.
I think ther coaching staff, players and fans need to stop looking for excuses and show us that they deserve to be where there are.
Just a hunch, but I think the Attack might just do this. Afterall, it is the playoffs.
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Tony, I didn't crawl anywhere. Just have other things to do than be on this site 24 hrs a day like you obviously can do. Not sure why you are so upset by what I posted, if you read what you posted right after our 'friend' Ripped, (TS) said about the Ajax staff, you say "Many of THESE bench puppets" etc. Seemed you were agreeing with TS. Sorry if I jumped to such a conclusion. Just appeared that you were agreeing. And just so you know, I do not live in Ajax, would not consider myself an Ajax Attack fan, but I have known the bench staff for years, prior to them joining the Attack. I can't stand to hear morons like TS constantly cutting up everyone involved in running teams just because they have all cut his kid in the past.
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Re: Not sure why you are so upset by what I posted ....
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February 26 2009, 11:00 AM
Re: "Not sure why you are so upset by what I posted" .... First of all "iljv" I understand that you are a relatively new visitor here "In The Cage" and I have to tell you that throughout the past (nearly) six years (since March 18th, 2003) that this forum has been in operation, I have never been "upset" as you would suggest!
What's the point? Most of you don't have the nads to take ownership of your comments, so who would I be getting "upset" at?
Also, your quote that; "Just have other things to do than be on this site 24 hrs a day like you obviously can do" ... is freaking hilarious! Just for your information, I'm most certainly not on here all day, even though it's none of your business (teehee), I'm just afforded the luxury of the internet at work and utilize it when I'm having my tea in the morning and again in the afternoon.
We just happen to be putting in thirteen hour days here in London trying to get this damn Jet aircraft certified and into production, so I can hardly be ragged on for taking a few minutes away from designing flight controls to take a few minutes for myself, can I?
How about you? Just out of curiosity what is it that you do all day that allows you to be on here so often, other than pulling your pud? (teehee)
So again, as you can clearly confirm, I have NEVER made a derrogatory comment, not once against the Ajax Attack players, fans, coaches and/or management! Got it?
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"So again, as you can clearly confirm, I have NEVER made a derrogatory comment, not once against the Ajax Attack players, fans, coaches and/or management! Got it?"
No, you did not directly make a derrogatory remark toward the Ajax team, you just implied it.
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The "ONLY" thing that I have ever implied is that "YOU" are a negative idiot Wexdog! Please indicate "EXACTLY" where I made a negative/derrogatory statement "DIRECTED" to the Ajax Attack specifically and I will promise never to frequent these boards again and WILL shut this forum down immediately!
Don't you have enough to deal with Wexdog with people whom you have permitted to be slandered on your forum currently engaging in proceedings to have FTFBTF's shut down? Go take care of your own backyard before you visit "OURS" and remind us that our grass needs cutting! I now see that you have removed the comments in question on your forum hey Wexdog? Afraid of losing your only access to society of which you're familiar with? lol
As a few e-mails have suggested to me, "why don't I just ask Wexdog to GO AWAY .... For good?" I've allowed you to stick around here for as long as you have because I have always considered you a friend. But just like PEPSIHEAD, I'm starting to get tired of your negative routine. You are without a doubt one of the most corrosive, cancerous individuals I have ever known!
I don't allow negative people within my business relationships, family and most importantly AA program to filter into my life TODAY, so I'm sure as hell not going to allow someone on a mindless, fairly insignificant hockey forum (in the big scheme of things) that honor either!
We're at risk of losing far more participants here "In The Cage" because of you hanging around than we are to attract fewer because you have departed us! So if you don't like it here please leave .... for good Wexdog! And if the negativety continues then your exit will be made for you, get it?
You have singlehandedly reduced the former OHA forum to a declining interest and have made the former "Mr. OHA" look like a saint compared to your DICKtatorship type antics! Don't believe me Wexdog? Do yourself a favor, click on the attached link: http://www.network54.com/Browse/Sports/Hockey/Junior_Hockey face=geneva,arial,sans-serif> and see for yourself!
Don't you remember when the OHA Forum moderated by "Mr. OHA" was number one a few years back? Well just take a look at what YOU have done to that forum 'Dog .... hope you're proud of yourself!
I'm done with you, no more replies, no more verbal ping pong with you! Here's your ball, go back to your own forum and please do us ALL a favor (including the dozen or so e-mails that I've received) and get lost for good okay?
I don't give a rats ass what sarcastic, condescending reply that you come back with ..... and believe my folks there "WILL" be one (Wexdog always has to have the last word) their will be NO response! I'm not the least bit intimidated by you Wexdog, nor am I pissed at you either! I just can't allow negative, non-productive, go no where people, places or things into my life, that's all!
For someone who may not comprehend the process, it's called "establishing my boundaries and setting my priorities", which clearly you're NOT one of! I suppose that both PEPSIHEAD and I are wrong? we're the ones screwed up right? I can live with that discomfort.
GOODBYE WEXDOG!
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We have to remember that many of these "Bench Puppets" are just that! NO balls, NO integrity, NO ethics and certainly NO backbone! For a great number of these ass kissers', they rely on this level of hockey as their ONLY source of income! As such, their morals change like the weather!
One interesting thought that has often passed through my pee brain, is how do so many of these "bridesmaids of life" communicate such high moral standards to the players that they coach, when they don't have any themselves? .... As if trying to give away something that they don't have! lol
There is absolutely no derogatory language implied towards the Ajax Attack team by Tony. This is a general statement which we all know to be true.
Is the Attack GM Tugnutt a puppet of Mr Stein? Absolutely. He gets paid doesn't he?
Is Coach Durant a puppet of Mr. Stein? Absolutely. He gets paid doesn't he?
Previous Coaches Winder and Fournier and Dir of Hockey John Bowler were not puppets. In the end they stood up for whats right. Durant should do the same. Forget Tugnutt, he has no choice.
And finally, we are not being derogatory here. Just being realistic.
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First I want to say I thought I gave back only half what Tony fired at me, but this is Tony's playhouse and he always has final say and whatever he says is the way it is.
In this thread I said a little earlier that Tony implied an insult toward Ajax.
Please decide for yourselves.
Read the title box "Ajax/Bobcat44/Hockeynut99" then read this which appears as the second reponse to the post.
I have copied and pasted Tony's first paragraph.
I do not know how anyone else will see it, but I see it as implied toward Ajax, because as Tony pointted out he did not mention Ajax or anyone on the team.
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We have to remember that many of these "Bench Puppets" are just that! NO balls, NO integrity, NO ethics and certainly NO backbone! For a great number of these ass kissers', they rely on this level of hockey as their ONLY source of income! As such, their morals change like the weather!
Yep! Now I can see it! I most definitely identified the Ajax staff with that statement didn't I? (teehee). What a phuking idiot the 'Dog is! Not only have I never met, seen the Ajax staff coach, nor watched their team play, but there isn't one stinking reference to ANY league, team, staff, province or country that I could have possibly be refeing to!
Again my statement (and I quote) ...... "We have to remember that many of these "Bench Puppets" are just that! NO balls, NO integrity, NO ethics and certainly NO backbone! For a great number of these ass kissers', they rely on this level of hockey as their ONLY source of income! As such, their morals change like the weather!" ......clearly may hold EVERY team in the league, including Ajax to some level of accountability ..... or then perhaps none of them at all! (tee phuking hee)
In another response I clearly identify the characters in question, but our puppy friend seems to think that these former Western Division coaches were somehow related to the Ajax staff at some point! 'Dog is as far away as his first sh#t! But all the same thanks for putting words/thoughts in my head that I never made! lol
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i can see both points of view here. you may not have implied anything tigerpaws, but half of what is read is what the reader "reads". I will be honest when I read your post the first time I read it like you were agreeing about ajax and lumping in everyone else from the past. you may not have meant or implied or whatever but people may read it that way in error or otherwise. i did.
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Okay fellas, just to clear the air, if you review this entire thread, you will confirm that my reply was in direct reference to "cash8132"s response dating back to February 24th at 9:57 PM where he stated that .... "I agree with you 100%. If I was coaching a 'daddy-owned' team and the owner forced me to play his kid.........a kid that wasn't the best choice for that game...........I would quit. What a let-down for the rest of the players. You have to stand up for what you believe in, or it's all JUST NOT WORTH IT. What is that coach teaching the rest of his players....not integrity, that's for sure!"
.... then I chimed in with my response to his comments, thus the "Re: I Agree" topic/thread title, get it?
Not once in "cash8132"s reply did he EVER mention ANYTHING about the Ajax Attack hockey club, their coaching staff nor their ownership! Considering that my response was to his submission, how could anyone possibly confuse it with the original thread by conveniently bypassing the thread from which I replied to!
I did agree completely with "cash8132"s statement then as I still maintain. Whether that situation exists in Ajax or not is none of my business, nor do I really care. I was simply making a generalized agreement with "cash8132"s opinion which has NOTHING to do with ANY organization whatsoever.
Still confused? Check out the thread titles, that should clarify things a little more. If I had any intentions of agreeing with the situation in Ajax, I would simply have replied to the initial thread, can you see where I'm coming from?
This message has been edited by THAYWARD on Feb 27, 2009 6:52 AM
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I do not think anyone is questioning Tony's integrity or his passion. His musings about the lesser desirables around this league are well known and not without merit.
And if you notice, he is always careful not to mention names specifically unless, of course, they are already well substantiated.
I still consider Tony and Wexdog personal friends of mine that I have come to know and respect over these years on the forums.
But even the best of friends will have disagreements from time to time. They are both adults and as such are so entitled not to want to share a cup of coffee with each other anymore.
I will still sit down and partake with each of them, only separately.
That's fair.
As a postscipt, isn't it funny that "bench puppets" are considerably more obvious when their team does not win as opposed to those "bench puppets" whose teams do win ?
Kind of like the CEO who ensures that my stock values keep rising no matter how he/she does it.
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