1. Shawn Sirman, Kingston, GAA 1.63 Save % .943
2. Steele DeFazio, Wellington, GAA 2.12 Save % .935
3. Matt Hache, Oakville, GAA 2.13 Save % .917
4. Dalton McGrath, Couchiching, GAA 2.31 Save % .893
5. Matt Ginn, Lindsay, GAA 2.42 Save % .922
6. Kyle Cantlon, Couchiching, GAA 2.42 Save % .917
7. Daniel Jones, Markham, GAA 2.44 Save % .921
8. Ryan Williams, Huntsville, GAA 2.50 Save % .920
9. Zac Fryia, Peterborough, GAA 2.79 Save % .920
10.Tony Capobianco, Georgetown, GAA 2.85 Save % .868
11.Andy Groulx, Orangeville GAA 3.00 Save % .907
12.Jason Guy, Newmarket, GAA 3.05 Save % .916
13.David Blair, Aurora, GAA 3.50 Save % .901
14.Fred Edwards, Toronto GAA 3.67 Save % .895
15.Marc Rinfret, Toronto GAA 4.11 Save % .898
16.Brendan Sullivan, Aurora, GAA 4.20 Save % .910

not included..'frozen game' Sunday Markham and Toronto.

By this point of the game you must have a goal against average of under three per game and preferably 2.50, that is why Toronto does not stand a chance of moving on.

You mean the Raiders are toast?

Do I have to spell everything out for you guys? What I said was: "you must have a goal against average of under three per game and preferably 2.50, that is why Toronto does not stand a chance of moving on."

So let's see now shall we?


must have a goal against average of under....... 3.00
Tony Capobianco, Georgetown ................ GAA 2.85 Save % .868

For a difference of .............................0.15 looks like the Raiders are in the running to me, what do you think Estock? lol. Now Toronto Junior Canadiens are a completely different story all together and I thought that I had addressed that concern in my initial reply, did I not?

I thought you had used the words "preferably 2.50".

Hache 2.13

Capobianco 2.85

My fault.

That's one terrible save percentage.

Sometimes I feel like I'm flogging a dead horse with this one but here I go again.

1. There are shots and then there are shots. Some saves are simple others are not yet they all count as shots and saves.
2. Not all rinks count shots in the same way, example: if the goalie makes a glove save on a shot that is going wide of the net it should not count as a shot.
3. Often the person who counts shots also works the clock, maybe the music and operates the Pointstreak terminal. It is too much for one person.
4. The vantage point is often the timekeeper's booth. Not the best spot. The best vantage point is closer to the net.

In the NHL and most major junior venues, each shot directed at the net is reviewed before it is actually registered as a shot.

Now I know the folks responsible for this stat in the rinks are volunteers and do the best job they can but using the save percentage as an indicator of a goalie's performance is not that reliable.

I disagree. If you look at one game, sure there can be mistakes. But over time you are going to get a true number. I think save percentage is a huge indicator of how a goalie is playing over a certain period of time. You might not like it, but coaches and scouts swear by it.

Which is one of the fundamental problems that exist with "scouts". They don't understand the position, can't really assess a goaltender so look to use some sort of statistic to rationalize a decision. The fact is shot counts in most junior leagues are very subjective even intentionally fudged sometimes. In minor hockey the issue is even more problematic.