Here is the video clip of the Murphy hit from b2tv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu97dNfUoqQ

the league was right. clean hit!
good for them to step up and do the right thing!!

I am failing to see a hit to the head. I see a shoulder to shoulder hit and a head hitting glass.....

So as I see it. Plain nice check I have replayed replayed it and see nothing bad about it.
Now what?

This is the first time I have seen it and if this was The HIT, his head seems to hit the glass more than it was from the actual hit.

It's all about that? ? ? ? No wonder the OHA overturned it. I wouldn't imagine it took them too long to decide, either.

It is interesting to note that it is the Kingston Voyageurs who have posted this clip.

OK Duke fans plus PM87, Wexdog et al, now that we have all seen the scene of the accident, a shoulder to shoulder hit that wouldn't have broken an egg, can we all bury the evidence and get on with discussing the upcoming series between the Blades and the Vees.

Wow, how embarrassing it must be to those on the Forums that were calling for the heads of Ladds and Hooper after viewing that video. I guess it's paper bags over the heads for a while. They will look good on them.

I don't think even MA would have the nerve to appeal that hit.

I wonder what postion on the ice were the refs to make the call that they made? Not a thing wrong with that hit.

Apperently, he went into convulsions...any evidence of that. I said many times today that the wellington fans embarassed themselves since the hit. I have been saying since the night it happened it was clean. If there are any Crows in the cage they'd better leave because there are a lot of people who are either going into hiding or going to be eating crow. Marty abrams looks like a fool after his rant on cogeco now. Maybe those who need to hide can join him at his cottege now that his seasons over.

Sorry, that is the problem with a one dimensional screen. Watch closely, Stetham is skating up the ice, he shoots the puck in, he is wide open near the boards. Murphy comes from the blind side and his shoulder moves up on the hit while he is vunerable. Result is his head also hits the glass.
Many people will say he was trying to complete the check, but I don't think Stetham saw him coming and shooting the puck in opened him up. Murphy could have backed off the hit, his intent was to run him into the boards. Also it was earlier stated he came up with the puck, this shows he didn't.
Let's this straight, no replaying of game, that's all done with. But I do believe Murphy deserved the GM and should sit out two games.

That was a good clean hit. I glad this was resolved with the league on the right call.
GO BLADES GO!!!!!!!!!

Forgot, has anyone found out the condition of Stetham, if anyone knows please post it. I hope it nothing that will end his hockey. He is good kid, who also plays hard, and can put the puck in the net. Best wishes, hope to see you back playing next season.

"Shoeless"

Why would Murphy stop on his hit? When you have possession of the puck and get rid of it, you are fair game to receive a hit with out being called for interference. Sure the Duke player was blindsided, a blind sided hit is usually the hardest as you are not ready for it so your head can snap against the boards or in this case against the glass. It's unfortunate that the Duke player did not see Murphy but it's no different than getting hit while you have your head down which is a "no no" when carrying the puck.

Very strange that nobody from the Wellington organization has come out and given a report on the Duke player's condition. If his condition was serious, I'm sure we would have heard by now. Hopefully he is okay.

Come on guys! Hard hit, yes. Suspendable, no. It's unfortunate the player is injured but it's a contact sport and things can happen to all parts of the body on contact. The video shows no intent and body(bigger)on body(smaller).

SMC,
Ouivay, seems to be a lot of bad feelings between organizations. I guess my only concern about how this was handled. Under the rules of appeals, it has to be a 5 game or more suspension before an appeal can be heard. The league has now set the precedent that any GM (Game misconduct) carrying a suspension can be appealed. So it means the refs will only call a GM, and let the league decide whether there is a suspension or not.
Also remember the video is only two dimensional and can be interpreted different ways.
In conclusion, I hope Stetham is okay, I hope the Kingston/Oakville series is a good one, and the winner moves on to the RBC Cup, and brings it home.

wow who reffed that game they should be fired brutal call was this a one man game or did they have 4 guys on the ice. Tyler you should of lost game 6 cause there should not of been game 7 quit your whimpering you sound like my cat

Did Wellington score on this bogus penalty????????

Go Oakville Go

sorry been unable to get on the interweb. my tubes were clogged. had to blast a lotto ball through.

i scoured for scenarios on the enforcement standard for the CTH rule. regardless if you think it was a CTH or shoulder to shoulder here is something for shoulder huggers to consider: here is a scenario as developed by HC in their ref training materials. Since the wellington player didnt have the puck, you then have to consider what was the objective of the hit? was the objective to know the player off the puck? or was it to even potentially injure. under hockey canada's "shared respect" initiative this could be a match or a 5+10 for Boarding. You pickem. that assumes of course if you believe the head's contact to the glass was directed via contact or just followed through. i still stand by my position...this video is INCONCLUSIVE. and the one posted is misleading in slow motion since the speed and violence is that much higher in the full-speed vesion. show me where his arm is in each frame. you cannot. its obscured fully in some frames and partially in others.. that is why its inconclusive.

Situation #11
Player A6 checks B11 with moderate force close to the boards. The check is shoulder on shoulder, but B11 went violently into the boards, striking the boards headfirst and was injured. What penalty would be assessed to A6?
Ruling: A6 would be assessed a Major penalty plus a Game Misconduct penalty for Boarding or (a Match penalty if intent to injure). Checking to the Head would not be applied in this case as the initial contact was to the shoulder

$$PM87$$

Your embarassing....so now you admit it might not be a CTH when you were adament before that it was a dirty elbow to the head.

Now you search to find that a penalty could have been assessed under some other call.

The puck was barley off his stick and it was not late. It was not from behind it was clean.

If he had got up it would have been a non issue. Maybe the issue here should be the rink itself. Watch the hit. There is no give to the boards. If there was give to the boards like oakville has would he have been hurt?

The objective of the hit was not to hurt. The objective was to play the game. Murphy finished a check the way your taught to from the moment contact begins. You can speculate all you want about it should have been this and if not this it could have been that. Why don't we just take contact out of the game completly. Would that mae you happy. Based on the thing that not just you say but others anytime someones hit there should be an intent to injure penalty called.

You people need to stop.

So if the tape is in slow motion, then in real time how late after the player dumped the puck was the hit? 1/4 of a second?

Anyone that thinks there was ANYTHING wrong with this hit please go find yourself another sport & leave mine alone.

Frikkin ridiculous.

Will the real "PM87" PLEASE stand up.

PM, your biased assessment, as does Wexdogs, reeks of "how do I get out of this gracefully".

"Since the Wellington player did not have the puck, what was the purpose of the hit"?

You have never played this game have you PM, admit it, no body that has played hockey and not even at a Major level, would never make a comment as "dumb" as yours. Are you telling us that Murphy's hit after the Duke player vacated the puck, needs an explanation or it's the 1st that you have ever seen? PLEASE, it probably happens 200 times in every hockey game played at any level.

I guess what you are saying is that when a player is skating to check another player and that player gets rid of the puck, the oncoming player should put on the brakes, stop and skate away. If that were the case, every game would have 200 penalties and take 5 hours to play. The worst that Murphy should have received was a 2 min boarding penalty.

You have NEVER played hockey and obviously have never refereed, right PM?

Face it man, you and your "cohorts" are "out of gas". The only expert that we have not heard from is the "propaganda" Minister M71, can hardly wait for his Central assessment or is he still "licking his wounds" from the "BEST OF THE CENTRAL" biting the dust.

I too am shocked at the amount written about a good hit that just happened to result in the player hit suffering an unfortunate injury.

What should be said is: THANK YOU!
To the higher powers that actually for once reviewed such a play, with the importance of the playoffs at stake, and made the correct call by reversing the original decision! How often does that happen? Thank God for video on cell phones, and YouTube! That poor kid delivering the check would have sat for nothing. NO ONE wants another player to suffer an injury, but all players are aware that this is a contact game. He needs to be aware at all times where the opponent is, especially when near the boards, so he can dump it in then avoid full contact with the opponent.

PM87 you quoted the rules: "Player A6 checks B11 with moderate force close to the boards. The check is shoulder on shoulder, but B11 went violently into the boards, striking the boards headfirst and was injured."
This does not come in to play here as the first thing that hit the boards was the players SHOULDER, not head.
We all know when this rule needs to be implemented; often on HFB but anytime a player is 3-4' from boards, gets hit and spun and the head strikes first.

End this silly thread.

Place that video clip in the archives of 'good clean hockey hits'

I am sure I speak for everyone else when I say I hope the boy that hit the boards recovers quickly and completely.

I agree that in this slowed down version, it appears that the hit might have been shoulder to shoulder. However, it also appears that it might have been shoulder to head. It certainly seems probable that it was a clean hit. The trouble is, it is impossible to tell with 100% certainty on the video where the actual contact is made.

My problem is still with the process that was followed, which does not seem to have been to the letter, and with the fact that the league stated the video was inconclusive and overturned the call on the ice anyhow. You cannot tell me that saying "From that video, it is about 99% certain that his shoulder did not hit his head, so let's overturn the suspension" is enough. There needs to be 100% certainty, and I am sorry, but even though it looks to me like it was PROBABLY a clean hit, I cannot be 100% on that, due to the angle of the shot and quality of the video.

Also, there is still the matter that a lot of the rules for submitting an appeal were very much relaxed, and some completely ignored. And even if the reasoning was to make sure the appeal was heard in time for a decision to be made before game seven, a league that wants to maintain its integrity would have called Oakville back and said, "Look, you submit this appeal properly, according to the rules, or else it will not be heard." It is up to Oakville to submit the appeal properly, not the league to massage the appeal to fit their rules. This is especially important at a point as critical in the season as this was handled, when they are under the microscope on everything they do.

So you want to wrongly suspend a player in a 7th game because of a "technicality" in processing an objection?

Come on, if it was a league game fine, but a 7th game playoff with only 2 days between the game it happened in and the 7th game, I to would have bent the rules a bit in the interest of making a proper decision on what may have been a wrongful suspension.

Thank God the league had the "balls" to act with speed and correct an obvious error.

SMC, people get off on murder charges because of a technicallity. The process is in place for a reason. I am not saying the player should have been suspended, what I am saying is if the proper process had not been followed then the appeal should not have been heard until the process was followed. If it happens that the player missed the game then so be it, but the process needs to be followed, just asked any court in this country. They will throw criminals back on the street if the AG doesn't follow process.

I attended this game. My first reaction was, whoa..thats an easy boarding call. ...agreed smc? 2 min for boarding? ... i was behind the play and when this hit happened... The front ref had his arm in the air without hesitation. He called it a head check. From my angle it was impossible to see that... There was more than one penalty that could have been called from the refs point of view because he saw the head shot...wether it happened or not, i can't tell and it doesn't matter. From my view, where the back ref was, it would have been boarding. my point it, the ref could have just as easily called it boarding which warrents a 2min penalty as smc has just agreed. Now we have an injury... that 2 min automatically turns into a 5+GM, no discretion as the kid was out cold. IMO the call on the ice should not have been overturned.

"Come on, if it was a league game fine, but a 7th game playoff"

All the more reason for Oakville to have made sure they were submitting the appeal properly in the first place. It is the responsibility of the team submitting the appeal to follow the proper process, and if the league had "balls" as you put it, they would have called them and said "We can't review this unless you resubmit it with the proper procedure...here is the procedure, do this and we will look at it." That would have been the appropriate way to handle it.

Prove that oakville didn't do it properly. All I have heard is speculation. And that hit is even a loose boarding call. He is pretty much right against the boards. If he was 2 ft or so away maybe but being a half foot away is hardly boarding. If it is then any person hit into the boards should draw a boarding call.

Good point Hocks61, good point.

A shoulder to shoulder hit 6" from the boards does NOT constitute a head check and a 2 game suspension.

..from just looking at the video to me it did not look like a head check. I still feel that the overturning of the referee's decision is not good for the League.

"Prove that oakville didn't do it properly. All I have heard is speculation"

Which is why I, for one, am saying the league should explain the processes that were followed. Obviously the Dukes didn't feel the processes were followed properly, including sending them copies of everything, otherwise the situation wouldn't have still been under investigation yesterday.

Also, I have looked at it over and over, and finally I decided to pause it at the point of contact...it certainly appears when paused that Murphy's upper arm is above the shoulder, which turned and exposed the head when the player passed the puck, and that the upper arm, just above the elbow, drives the head into the boards. Try pausing it at the point of contact.

Hock61,
This video is very inconclusive, because it is 2 dimensional, there no depth to what you are seeing. Were the on ice officials consulted as to what they saw? They were right there. You are making a judgement with what you see on this video and this is what the video does not show, how far from the boards Stetham is, how far Murphy travelled to make the hit, how vunerable Stetham was when he shot the puck in (maybe it was the end of his shift, and dumped it in to get off), don't victimize the victim by saying he should have prepared himself for the hit, and what this video doesn't show, did Murphy his feet leave the ice?
It would be interesting to see if the NHL would have reversed the call, or might even have increased the penalty?
And here is the kicker question, if it was say Teakle who made the hit and was suspended, would there have been this controversy?
It's over, everybody has to move on, and have serious discussion during the summer about process and procedure, according to Hockey Canada and OHA parameters. Also the increase of grade 2 and 3 concussions are going to have devastating results, must be addressed.

I wish I knew to how post a screen shot on here, because I have it frozen at the point of contact as we speak. And I am now more convinced than I was before that this is definitely head contact. Conclusively.

..the ref doesn't have the ability to 'freeze frame'..overturning his judgement does not put officials in a good light.

I agree, the refs do not have the ability to freeze frame, and yet when I did freeze frame, I can see that they got the call right, on the ice. Kudos to Hobor and Palm for that, because when I watch it without freezing it, I still maintain it looks like a clean hit. It is only when I freeze it that I can 100% conclusively say that it was a head check.

Sharpie,
That is because the refs had the third dimension, depth.

I was at the game for the hit and I have done the same as you in pausing it at point of contact. That arm you see at his head in non existant. You guys are trying so hard to find something that's not there.I have shown it to people at work not explaining the situation. Even people I work with don't see what you guys do. I actaully said to them look at this elbow to the head and all of them said what are you talking about. I'm sorry but at the end of the day the league only owes the teams involved an explanation. They dont owe us fans anything in the way of having to justify their decision. Oakville requested a review and the league did what they had to do.

"That arm you see at his head in non existant"

So, Murphy only has a right arm, and his left arm which is drilling the player's head into the boards is just a figment of mine (and others') imagination? THAT explains everything!

Like I said, I was almost convinced it was a clean hit, until I looked at the still photo by pausing it. Now I am 100% conclusive the other way.

hey hocks61 first you watch on B2 now you are there at the game? suspect.

$$PM87$$

Never watched on B2. You have me confused with someone else. Look back to the posts the day after the hit I said I was there. Who's suspect now....

My post from the day after......not sos suspect now am I....

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Re: Dukes Prevail in Game 6

March 30 2009, 8:40 AM 




So last minute I figured I would jump in the car and check this game out tonight. Hadn't made a trip to Wellington in the series so why not go to the last one. I have to say that Tyler, your accolades to the refs is based purley on the fact you won the game. The linesmen were terrible too. Missing offsides and icings. It was a piss poor job and actually rather embarassing. Now of course everyone is going to sit on here and say oh look oakville is blaming the refs. Oakville has lost enough games in these playoffs and you will not see as of yet anyone blaming the refs. When they have lost nobody has come on here saying oakville got screwed yadda yadda yadda but this time its deserved.

The only penalty that was assessed in the first that was deserved was Sparks(and that includes the one to wellington being a bad call). Now I am not saying that they didn;t miss things both ways because they did but what was called was just awful. Ribiero gets roughing after the whistle when he takes a shot to the head. Call them both. Leimbrock flattens a kid who has his head down fishing the puck out of his feet during a battle on the wall. How is that interference and lets not even start of the Murphy hit. The only reason the called what they did was because he was knocked out. Kid has the puck and is gliding up the wall at center ice and takes a shoulder (Murphys arm was tucked in not up) and hits his head on the glass and gets knocked out. IF it had been the other way though I am sure the same discussion would be going on the same way. Murphy kept his arm down got a good angle on him and hit infront of him and basically stole the puck from him. Pinched him out on the wall. I will give that the kid is 5 foot f*c* all which might make it look like and elbow when a guy 6'1 hits him but whats he suppose do do drop to his knees when he hits him to make it fair?


What I hate reading though is the wellington fans saying the blades have been doing it all series its about time they called it. Give your head a shake. If your going to call the murphy hit dirty then what about the elbowing call against you guys. Pratt delievers a elbow to the head of alcock. But because alcock gets up its not a check to the head. What about pratt hitting alcock after the whistle on an icing after the kid let up. Take your we are holy and do nothing wrong attitudes and shove it. Do the blades take deserved penalties. Yes of course they do, but so do your guys. And until today you never heard the Blades blame a loss on bad refing unlike some other teams.

So the make it official.....The Blades got screwed by the refs last night. End of story. BUT...the wellington and oakville players did play a good game. I hate that the refs have taken our focus off that fact. IN SPITE of the clowns in Black and white there was a good hockey game played.

Palm....retire already.....you're awful.....


 

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Very dirty hit!

Plain and simple. Elbow comes up and knocks the guy out.

Gee your opinion is shocking Barney.

Hey can you please post your predictions for the series soon please. What do you say Kingston in 4?

I have come to the conclusion that there is no way that anyone will ever convince the Wellington fans that it wasnt a penalty. They say things like its inconclusive, its only two dimensional . Thats the one I find funny, because by that analogy all video replays are invalid, as they are all TWO DIMENSIONAL!!!!! So that means the NHL has been wrong all these years when they use video reply to determine if the puck crossed the goal line. They cant possibly tell for sure because its only TWO DIMENSIONAL!!!!!. Give me a break. Now Sharpie _06 is claiming to have conclusive evidence that it was an elbow to the head, again give me a break. Now as for inconclusive, well that depends on whether you are looking at it from an objective point of view or through the subjective rose coulored glasses of the Wellington fans and their wishful thinking supporters

All I can say is, for those that view the video objectively, no explanation is necessary, for those that dont, no explanation will suffice

I don't think we are all dukes fans...and IMO i think the called should stand. I do think that some people on here take any chance they can get to jump on dukes fans though. Soo mabye it's your glasses that are rosey? lol just a thought.

Im A Milton fan so I have no vested interest in any of this. If I do have rose coulord glasses they would be Milton red, black and white.

It's funny, because I am looking at it objectively. The Central supporter opinion many carry doesn't hold water, because I have no ties to the Central other than having been fired by a CD team. I was not a supporter of the Central even before I worked for a CD team. And as for Wellington, I am not a fan, I had a huge run-in with Abrams last season in Markham, and I do believe that more often than not they are the beneficiaries of calls from referees and the league.

My stake in this is that the league's credibility and integrity are on the line, nothing more. As I have said from the start of this, my allegiance is not to either team, and the teams involved are irrelevant to me.

Come on Sharpie, youre worried about the leagues credibility. This league hasnt had any credibility for years. I can site you many things that I personally have been witness to over the past ten years that prove that this league doesn't have any credibility. So don't worry about that Sharpie you are trying to defend something that doesn't exists .So lets applaud the league this time for doing the right thing in spite of the NORMAL procedures. I am sure if you look close enough you will find that this is not the first time they haven't followed NORMAL procedures. E.G. the formation of the Central Division.

I agree, and I fought as hard on here against that back-door process as I am against this one.

Just because the league has been run in a slipshod manner for the better part of a decade does not mean I will stop fighting against it when I see something that is wrong going on.

And I wish some of those who say they have stopped the tape at point of contact were standing right here with me so that they could point out exactly what I am missing, because when I stop it it is pretty clear to me. In fact, if I stop it at precisely the right spot, the arm and head are still touching each other.

Also, for those who are saying it was an elbow, the stopped video shows it was not, but the upper arm just above the elbow that made head contact.

Geeeeeeez....SMC it is about time for you face
Hockey Reality. You played 45 games for St. Mike's,
a great Organization, and totalled 4 POINTS.
You were either the gate opener or the part time
trainer that the Team put on the game sheet to make
sure there was enough names as to not forfeit the game.
I played JR with Brad Park, Al Smith (not Gary but also a goalie)
Chris Evans, Andre Champagne, Claude Goulet and more who played Pro.

I think people on this and the other Forum might just read Your
posts with a bit more reverance if You would just talk hockey
and not Pontificate on threads that either speak poorly
of Your Tigers or The North division.

Please do not take this rant as a slap at Your loyalty to the Tigers
or to you or your Son-in-Law, You do not have all of the answers,I do,
about the OPJHL or Hockey, past and present. Sit back, relax enjoy the GAME.

The Game has changed. That being said, still the best Game. I would love to
read more of how you enjoyed the game from the pure athletic prowess of the
all the players involved or even Your memories at Bathurst and St. Clair

Lighten Up....Young Fella

P.S. Jerome is doing great in Quebec

"hockeyisit"

Hey, do we know each other, from the names that you mentioned you can't be too far behind me at SMC, young fella?

If we do know each other, may be nice to get together and talk, even if we don't also.

Yes, Jerome is doing great in Gatineau. Starts against Shawinigan tonight. Talked to him yesterday, said most of the press are predicting the Cataracts will win in 5 games. Obviously the press guys don't know JD. Should be a great series.

Again, like to know who you are.

"Nuff said"?

Tony, normally I respect your insights, and appreciate the work you put into the forums, but to declare your opinion to be the absolute truth on the matter, when the still shots posted on FTFBTF clearly show otherwise, is rather obtuse of you, with all due respect.

........'clearly shows otherwise'....that would be your opinion. Others disagree.

And that's fine, everybody has a right to disagree. That's why we have a forum for open discourse. But I take issue with somebody saying "Nuff said" and declaring their opinion to be the absolute final truth on the matter.

dirty dirty dirty hit!!!!

It is an extremely unfortunate situation overall. I think that the segmented photos show that the player was definately not aware he was about to be hit as he may have just been out of his peripheral view. I just don't see intent to injure in the video, it would appear that after the collision his head hits the glass from the 2 bodies coming together but not from a blow to the head. I began to read about this a few days ago and was awaiting the video to make a judgement as there were many very upset by the hit. Sorry, I just don't see a deliberate attempt to injure. I hope the player in question is okay and recovers soon. Just my 2 cents. I, unfortunately, see this situation as a catalyst for further division between the CD and the rest and it may be used as such...now how many leagues will it take to combine to actually be declared a winner of the Dudley Cup?

Ha - barnesdale you must be a soccer fan to the extreme!

Nail clipping is likely considered a violent sport in your household!

Ban tiddlywinks - it could take an eye out!
I love it.

No elbow used...shoulder to head, plain and simple

Clean hit.

"No elbow used...shoulder to head, plain and simple

Clean hit."

Except that shoulder to head is illegal, under the head contact/checking rule, and exactly what he was suspended for. Many of us are completely in agreement that it wasn't an elbow, what we are saying is that contact was made with the head, and therefore the suspension should not have been lifted.

Watch the video again fellas, and again if need be! Freeze it at the EXACT moment when the players engage in contact and you will confirm that it was a shoulder to shoulder hit, NO doubt about it! The "apparent" head shot would have taken place when the Wellington Dukes player then made contact with the glass! As the video continues, after the initial contact made by the Blades players left shoulder to the right shoulder of the Dukes player, the Wellington player (as a result of the hit) bounces against the boards and his head then accelerates into the glass! Continuing to watch the follow through of the hit, it is then that the Oakville players arms are raised somewhat, but definitely not the contact to result in concussion like symptoms. It's kind of difficult to generate any further acceleration once the initial contact has been made! Oh and by the way Sharpie, my initial comment which you didn't approve of : "CLEAN HIT!       NUFF SAID!" meant that as opposed to one of my usual lengthy diatribes that I continuously get my ass ragged for (much like this one, teehee) my opinion was that it was a clean hit and I have nothing further to add! Sorry for any confusion that I may have caused, and I certainly wasn't intending to suppress anyone elses comments, I could however comprehend where you may have thought otherwise. I hope that you understand? I was attempting to make a concise, on the spot call as a referee would, and that's what I meant be my comment Sharpie.

The ref made the correct call. Shoulder to head. Murphy should still be suspended.

Dirty play....No question about it

Clean hit. He wasn't hit in the head, or with an elbow. He wasn't hit from behind. He was hit body on body and bounced off the glass.

Fair enough, I understand what you were saying now.

From my view, I was the very first one to do what you suggested and pause it at the point of contact, in fact I left it paused for the better part of Thursday in order to keep checking, thinking I might see what the other side was saying...I didn't. Then the still shots were posted, frame by frame, over of FTFBTF, and I still see it as upper arm to head. It is very clear to me. If you go over there and check it out, pay close attention to frames 3-5, as those are the frames where the upper arm is in clear contact with the head.

Also, the head went straight left...never appeared to jerk to the right. Body mechanics suggest that if the shoulders are jerked that violently out from under the head, the head will remain in place momentarily...making it appear to jerk to one side then the other, a whiplash effect. The head in this case is hit directly, and so it moved directly left into the glass.

As I have said before, I wish that somebody...ANYBODY...who sees it as shoulder to shoulder, was in the same room as me, so we could sit and look at the stills together and point out exactly what we see in the photos. Because for the life of me, I cannot sit and look at the stills and figure out how anybody could see it as anything BUT a shoulder to head hit.

you could go on CSI with all your anatomical analysis.!

Because I am looking at it objectively, and not through the eyes of somebody who had made up their mind that it was a clean hit before ever even seeing the video or stills.

not me sharoie. i didnt say a word til i saw the video...clean hit whiney fans!
maybe we'll still be talking about this in august at this rate.
why dont you play off aginst the ottawa league and create your own championship as you guys just change the rules to suit yourselves anyway!

^^ SWEET!

great work Tony....now perhaps this will now go away...On a side note you have way to much time on your hands pal.LOL

These images clearly show ELBOW TO THE HEAD!!!!!

Murphy should be suspended

End of story

Tony, I still don't see how there is no head contact there. It is painfully obvious that in frames 3, 4, and 5, the upper arm is in direct contact with the head, and not the shoulder. It is plain. The arm is between the player's head and shoulder, without any doubt in my mind.

Bear in mind, when I watched the video at speed, I tought it was a clean hit, I was convinced of that. It was only when I stopped it, and later saw this series of stills, that my mind was changed. I am looking at this objectively, I did not make my mind up before I saw these and base my opinions of these stills solely on what I already believed, which is what I suspect most are doing, because again there is no way in my mind to see these stills, frames 3-5, as anything BUT direct head contact.

You people are blind.

It's a dirty hit.

Let's get everything straight.
We had four on ice officials, of which two were along the same boards as the hit and saw what led up to the hit, say it was a hit to the head. Seeing as the game sheets given to the teams do not have the referees report for the GM, why is assumed the check to the head was from the elbow? Now all four confirmed the call was correct. From all accounts there was no questioning of the call right after the call.
After speaking to people who were at the game and saw the play directly or from the other side of the rink, and they said there was contact to the head. Oh yeah, they must be Dukes fans, in fact they are not.
But everyone else, who are looking at a very poor quality video, broadcast over the internet, from the stands, shows no depth and has the boards blocking part of the view, come to the conclusion it is a clean hit.
"Your honour, I got video that shows I ran into the guy in front me because he slammed on his brakes," and the judge says you are at fault for following too close.
If Murphy tries this with KIngston, I can guarantee, someone will drop the gloves, and protect their teammate.

Oh my if murphy reads this I am sure he will be scared. I hope murphy hits a guy clean again. And you think if someone from kingston wants to fight he won't or they can deal with adam simms if they want.

Tony, again you kind've missed the point, by pointing out the two things to support your argument that are not in dispute. I agree, there was no elbow to the head. There doesn't have to be. I also agree that there may not have been intent to injure. Again, there doesn't have to be. There just has to be contact between the checker and the head of the checkee. Which there is, upper arm to head.

Tony,

You missed quite the game. Any chance you'll pick up a Vees game, dirty Murphy and all?

Just spoke to Justice Warren on my ouija board, and he came up with the magic elbow theory. Personally, I believed it was a suspendable hit, but that is my opinion. I know there a lot of people who believe it was a clean hit. I guess that is why there are still arguments about the JFK assassination. Hopefully this post will not go on for 46 years.
All kidding aside, happy to see Stetham is home, and all the best for a speedy recovery, hope to see you back on the ice next season.

Hey everyone, if you want to see the best clip to date in HD tune in to the other Forum.

The clip was enhanced and done by "MisterDB" and shows "WITHOUT DOUBT" in bright color what really happened.

When you watch it, note the Duke player's red helmet, it stands right out and IMO proves conclusively that his helmet hit the glass after Murphy hit his shoulder.

Tune in it may change your opinion once and for all and finally put an end to the controversy.

It sure solidified my opinion.

I see a dirty hit

was this video ever shown (on youtube) at regular speed?

Wow...just watched the other clip. No doubt there was no contact to the head other then the the head hittingthe glass. Pause it at 21 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wohG9Lxyy6w&feature=channel_page

What is amazing here is the traffic this topic is generating. The incident is over, the kid is ok, and by the way the finals have started.

Kingston leads Oakville 2 -0 with game three in Oakville on Wednesday.