Don't know the validity of this information as I'm just posting info taken from the "other" board. I'm sure this will start a bit of conversation on here as well.

Can you see my tears flowing at the prospect of not having to see or go to Burlington next year..BOO HOO

Anyway here it is....

Two independent conferences.

Conference 1: Classic Conference (no significant rule changes)
Conference 2: Central Division Teams Model(significant rule changes)

Conferences run their own business and not interfered with by other conference or OJHL.

Conference 2 Player Rules:

20 Year Olds: Max 5
19 Year Olds: A maximum will be established
18, 17: No limit
16: Max 4 by "16" year old cards being on average 2 per team across the OJHL. (To be approved by OHA/OHF/HC. CJHL currently does this)







This part is the part everyone is waiting for

Break down of conferences:

Conference 1 (15): Aurora, Huntsville, Collingwood, Oakville, Georgetown, Vaughan, Buffalo, Milton, Brampton, Mississaua, Bramalea, Couchiching, Villanova, Trenton, Kingston

Conference 2 (21): Wellington, Markham, Toronto, Hamilton, Newmarket, St. Mike's, Cobourg, Stouffville (original 8), Burlington, Streetsville, Orangeville, North York, Dixie (team to move), Seguin, Upper Canada, Peterborough, Lindsay, Bowmanville, Ajax, Whitby, Pickering

Not good for Hamilton fans in my opinion..at least Burlington comes back but no Milton, Georgetwon, Oakville and a bunch of other clubs that are too far away for the average Joe to travel to in a midweek.

The information as posted, including the alignment, is 100% confirmed.

Divisions within the Conferences?

TBA. I think it will be a lot harder to align the fifteen team conference though, and they are going to have one heck of a scheduling nightmare on their hands.

Where are they moving to?????? Richmond Hill

As long as it isn't back to Syracuse...

let dixie slide in to port hope and take over their great fan support and get in a division on the east side of toronto. great rivalries with bowmanville,lindsay,cobourg,wellington and peterborough. also great fan support from these rivalries.

classic conference will be implimenting several new rule and operational changes from what i been told to make a nationaly competitive conference.....development conference will be limiting 20 yr olds in numbers, i think 4 or 5, and in eligibility ...and capping 19yr olds at 6..... 16 yr old changes need to be done by Hockey Canada first and foremost...and both conferences can adopt any changes they approve......what i hear at least...

this is going to be FANtastic!!!!!!

CLASSIC CONFERENCE
Team GP W OTW SOW OTL SOL L PTS WPCT GF GA PIM HOME AWAY
yGeorgetown 49 36 5 1 1 0 6 85 .867 263 140 930 18-1-0-5 18-5-1-1
yCouchiching 49 38 0 1 2 5 3 85 .867 267 110 1128 20-1-3-0 18-0-4-3
xOakville 49 39 0 2 0 0 8 82 .837 289 146 1092 21-1-0-3 18-1-0-5
xHuntsville 49 31 1 6 3 1 7 80 .816 224 125 1099 16-3-2-3 15-4-2-4
yKingston 49 34 2 0 1 3 9 76 .776 256 136 1047 19-1-2-2 15-1-2-7
xAurora 49 34 2 1 1 0 11 75 .765 228 150 851 19-1-1-4 15-2-0-7
xVaughan 49 29 2 2 1 2 13 69 .704 242 152 1521 13-2-2-7 16-2-1-6
xBuffalo 49 21 2 2 3 4 17 57 .582 207 176 1034 10-2-2-10 11-2-5-7
xPort Hope / Trenton 49 15 4 1 1 2 26 43 .439 189 221 1237 7-5-1-12 8-0-2-14
xCollingwood 49 18 2 2 3 1 23 48 .490 169 183 1256 10-3-1-10 8-1-3-13
xMilton 49 19 1 1 3 1 24 46 .469 208 229 1502 12-2-0-10 7-0-4-14
xBrampton 49 14 2 1 5 3 24 42 .429 199 233 1044 5-3-5-11 9-0-3-13
Mississauga 49 7 3 1 3 2 33 27 .276 186 300 1175 4-3-3-15 3-1-2-18
Bramalea 49 6 2 3 2 2 34 26 .265 173 301 1001 3-4-2-16 3-1-2-18
Villanova 49 6 0 0 1 3 39 16 .163 119 259 1130 4-0-2-19 2-0-2-20

CENTRAL Conference
Team GP W OTW SOW OTL SOL L PTS WPCT GF GA PIM HOME AWAY
xWellington 53 31 3 1 1 4 13 75 .708 252 181 667 20-2-0-5 11-2-5-8
xPeterborough 49 29 3 5 0 1 11 75 .765 216 138 1108 17-2-0-5 12-6-1-6
xMarkham 53 26 2 8 1 1 15 74 .698 239 200 957 16-4-2-4 10-6-0-11
xBurlington 49 28 0 5 6 0 10 72 .735 217 160 1056 15-2-3-5 13-3-3-5
xLindsay 49 31 0 1 1 3 13 68 .694 212 149 1163 17-0-3-5 14-1-1-8
xOrangeville 49 26 3 4 0 1 15 67 .684 212 159 820 16-2-0-7 10-5-1-8
xToronto 53 24 3 4 1 1 20 64 .604 242 251 972 11-6-2-8 13-1-0-12
xHamilton 53 25 2 1 3 4 18 63 .594 281 245 1323 15-1-1-9 10-2-6-9
xNorth York 49 26 2 0 0 7 14 63 .643 223 194 1379 17-0-3-4 9-2-4-10
xNewmarket 53 23 4 1 2 3 20 61 .575 198 193 958 12-2-4-9 11-3-1-11
xBowmanville 49 21 1 2 4 1 20 53 .541 162 160 795 12-3-3-7 9-0-2-13
xSt. Michaels 53 21 1 2 3 2 24 53 .500 227 249 872 13-2-2-10 8-1-3-14
xAjax 49 24 0 1 0 0 24 50 .510 216 229 1183 16-1-0-8 8-0-0-16
xCobourg 53 15 2 0 6 3 27 43 .406 199 238 811 11-1-5-9 4-1-4-18
Upper Canada 49 6 1 2 1 0 39 19 .194 115 286 924 5-3-1-15 1-0-0-24
xDixie 49 12 2 3 1 1 30 36 .367 147 200 898 6-4-2-13 6-1-0-17
xWhitby 49 15 1 0 1 2 30 35 .357 181 250 1076 6-0-1-17 9-1-2-13
xPickering 49 13 3 0 2 1 30 35 .357 148 249 1336 8-1-1-15 5-2-2-15
xSeguin 49 14 1 1 0 2 31 34 .347 185 270 1024 10-1-1-13 4-1-1-18
xStouffville 53 6 2 5 2 4 34 32 .302 165 246 1029 4-3-4-15 2-4-2-19
xStreetsville 49 8 3 1 1 2 34 27 .276 164 272 827 1-3-1-19 7-1-2-15


Looks good to me. The Classic Division is the beginning of the right step in weeding out "Super Midget" hockey to Central who will be great at developing players for Classic Division Teams. Hopefully there will be a complete split soon.

the division of 15 will be unreal, gonna be some serious powerhouses playin eachother every night

lol

7 of the 15 teams under .500! Powerhouses like the Mississauga, Bramalea, Collingwood, Villanova, Buffalo......ooooooooooooooo, can hardly wait! It'll almost feel like Major Junior!

you're really gonna look at clubs like st. mikes and wellington as underling teams that will simply 'develop' players for the classic?!!! not only are they two of the best at developing players, they do it so well, they also put themselves into contention for titles at the same time in most seasons!

you guys make me laugh! hey, at least some of you are finally admitting there's a whack of teams who don't deserve the label of Jr. 'A'! lol

Playing with numbers can prove anything. Look, the Central has SEVEN teams under .400 compared to the Classics' three.

good to see you're following junior A hockey marshall.

yeah marshall i hear a lot of those teams play in the gmhl and try to call themselves jr a

jr AAA maybe

Aurora
Huntsville
Georgetown
Oakville
Tenton
Bramalea
Kingston
Couchiching
The common elemnent for these teams listed what is it.Plain and simple they cheat, they pay players, you can hear the bull**** that they do not but that is not true.They always have and they always will.They do not want a equal playing field.

Milton
Mississauga
Villanova
Collingwood
Vaughan
Ajax
Bowmanville
I must say the other 7 teams are Jr A powerhouses and have a great infastructure within their
organiizations NOT! LMFAO!!

qwerty i would like for you to explain to me how huntsville cheats?

and no they do not pay players. you can think what you want but i wouldnt bull****.

Craig, don't lose any sleep over it, it's all BS and conjecture, the Tigers have put up with the BS accusations for years.

As soon as a team ices a winner (Aurora, Oakville, Georgetown, Huntsville, Couchiching) to name a few, it's because they are buying and paying players and usually the BS comes from the teams that cannot ice a winner. Has anyone jumped on Kingston's back yet about paying and buying players? give them time they will.

How about the "one rounder" Dukes? is MA "lilly white" and credible?? do you think all those players from the US come free? Ya, right!!!

Like I said, don't lose any sleep over it.

SMC now stop it,I know for a fact certain players left the Tigers this season due to the money payments promised stopped immediately when JD departed.Cody Smith was not afraid to share his experience.I am sure there are a couple in the "Old Central" that did not comply,Hamilton & Newmarket and possibly Wellington, but it is common knowledge that Aurora pays there players and has for years.Aurora has a bigger problem in the player recruitment department now that they may not be paying players since the new skipper Craig took over.Aurora now has the "Parent Coach Player Syndrome" problem.This will make recruiting much more difficult.The new skippers ability and experience is now a question mark with the current Tiger players.

So if Cody Smith left the Tigers because he wasn't getting paid after JD left, then what did the Junior Canadians pay Aurora to get him and then what did the Junior Canadians pay Smith to play for them for the balance of the year???

Unless Smith is crazy, why would he go to the Canadians for nothing, he could have stayed with the Tigers even if the "so called" committment, as you say, wasn't honoured. You seem to know who and who is not paying players, so let us know, did Smith get paid by the Canadians for the balance of the season?

To SMC: just curious, were you inferring that the Aurora players are never compensated? I have had a couple friends play for the Tigers, and all have mentioned the proverbial "gas money."

I'm not saying other teams don't do it, heck, I had one buddy play his overage season in G/town, which he called a "retirement home for overage OHLers" and took home a nice salary for his services each week. (speak of the devil.. he just signed in on msn. weirddd)

As for my general response:

That is how the NHL worked for many years, and as a fan of a very wealthy team, it really didn't bother me. Since the leafs rip everyone off on tickets, they should be allowed to use the money to buy players - except in the Leafs/Rangers etc. case, those teams never win anything, so at least some of the OP teams are putting their coin to good use, like Aurora and Georgetown. If the rich teams want to buy players, let them. There's always going to be some floundering mess of a team with a huge budget who never goes anywhere or does anything, and a low-budget team who makes a cinderella run. It's just business.

*I can see your five hole*

ajax and bowmanville are in your division.

qwerty why didnt you answer me? in the two years ive been heavily involved with the otters no players have been paid.

just because we got vatri and rogers back from the ohl they automatically are getting paid? how about maybe they liked huntsville and wanted to play here.

and why do we get looped in with the buy players motto? so last year at the deadline we got whelan, dicks and george.

dicks was a former otter
george was acquired for shane taylor
whelan was future considerations (mike ball this season)

this year we got zeggil back from collingwood and we got zuchiatti from the chargers

doesnt seem like a bought team to me.

its not like huntsville is running around with cheques for 5 grand throwing them at any ex-ohler/top scorer that becomes available

no the 15 team division goes as follows:

Vaughan
Buffalo
Brampton
Oakville
G-Town
Trenton(port hope)
Kingston
Milton
Aurora
Huntsville
Villanova
Bramalea
Collingwood
Couchiching
Mississauga

craig nice of you to state fact!
this paying of players is way out of proportion.
the only one i heard of this year was in fact in the central.
players are allowed to be paid reasonable expenses. gas money etc. this is within ncaa rules.
years ago a team was charged for paying players and they dont anymore and the one kid was getting 200 a week and was spending most of that on gas. i believe that the government has an approved rate per km for auto expenses and its somewhere around 45cts per k. 400k per week is 180 bucks. if you have a 100 k round trip with practices and games that is a reasonable amount and some of these older players are going to school and need to be at a location that may require that kind of travel.

SMC57, you must either be a lawyer or a politician because you can spin any situation with your know it all, holier than thou atitude. You seem to know what everyone else is doing, while deflecting attention away from your beloved Tigers. Why continue to insult everyones intellegence by saying the Tigers didn't pay players, you as well as anyone know thats not true. It's also a fact that other teams do too, thats just the nature of the win at any cost attitude.
One thing I will agree with you on is the fact that the Classic Conference looks to be very strong. I was alittle disappointed that the Central let a number of teams in that will definatly weaken the product that was iced last year, and i don't understand what limiting 19 year olds will accomplish.
Lastly, I know you can't resist taking your daily swipe at the Dukes,but I can assure you that none of the boys from Wisconsin received a dime to play there, I know this for a fact as my son is one of them, and he's good friends with the others.
Have a nice Easter

so does anybody know what the divisions will be? if they can make it so the rivalries will be the same then it would be good

if the central guys want to have some semblance of competitiveness they will take the dogs(not you wex) and put them all in one division.
then use relegation to adjust yearly so at least the wellingtons etc wont even have to see dixie or seguin etc. its an opportunity to do what many of us have said for years. then at least even for the bottom feeders it will be competitive at their own level.

I think both the Classic, and the Central could split into two divisions based on winning percentage from the previous year. Play one cross over game between the divisions, and allow the top two teams move up to the top division and the bottom two teams from the top division move down the following year. Limit the ex OHLers to 1 per team and 20 year olds to 5, and leave the 16 year olds at the Midget level to develope, maybe allowing 2 to sign affiliate cards and play a max of 10 games.

the split between the central and the "LEAGUE OF EXCELLENCE" junior A will happen !

you keep making typos wingnut "league of excrement"

$$PM87$$

Let me assure you "Tucker" that I am a long way from being "hollier than thou" and even further away from "knowing it all". People that have known me for many many years will vouch on those two counts. As far as knowing anything, I may know somewhat more than a few on this Forum, but that's only from being older and possessing many more years of experience in the hockey world. As an example, Al Morris of Hockey Canada just recently passed away. Al and I go back to 1965 in Thornhill and were involved in minor hockey and Junior hockey for years and years in Thornhill. One of my sons played for Al's teams.

As far as the Tigers are concerned, as I have stated many times, my involvement with the Cats was and is stricktly on a volunteer basis because of my family connection with JD. I never got involved with the inner workings of the Tigers at my own choosing, after 40 years of that I just wanted to have a bit of fun announcing and helping out on game days. As far as I am concerned the Tigers compensated players within the guidelines set out by the OHA/OPJHL, those of which have been set out and explained nicely by "Wingfan" on this thread. End of story.

One of your comments caught my eye and that was the one in which you said

"Disappointed that the Central LET IN a number of teams in, that will definitely weaken the product iced last year"

"LET IN" isn't the Central a democratic division? what is this "LET IN" bit, I thought every team was given a choice to choose what Conference they wished to play in! "LET IN" was that the term and the basis the Central used when they formed the original 8 teams last season, some were "LET IN" and some were "LET OUT"??

You mentioned that your son plays for the Dukes and that you are from the US. Are billots involved with your son? is there any gas money involved? and if so are the Dukes paying for these items?

One last thing, as a father of a Duke player, are you proud of your son's coach history of incidents over the past years and as recent as the 7th game in Oakville? I realize that it's a loaded question and if you do not want to answer, I will understand.

From the day of this decision by the "Central" teams, let's see how long it lasts before the original "whiners" that feathered this nest want out to form the new "Metro Division" because Central has lost focus on their original issues.

"Too many owners can not agree on anything" has been the mantra and their wish has become their guarantee of disappointment.

The tears have already begun...

SMC57, the term "LET IN" is a term I use nobody else, I am disappointed teams were "LET IN" that will diminish the strength of the oringinal Central Division. If it was up to me, I'd split the league down the middle based on winning percentage, maybe then some of the teams that are consistantly on the bottom would become disinterested and drop out. This league desparatly needs to loose about 10 teams before you can have solid overall Junior "A" calibar players on all teams.
Yes billets are involved similar to the USHL in the states, and no "gas" money was given to my kid. What I was refering to are monies paid to ex OHLers or top 20 year olds brought in at the trade deadline.
I was at game 7 in Oakville and based on where I live I have not seen the interview in question. If there is a link to it please let me know I would be interested to see it.
Lastly, do I agree with everything MA did or does, no, but he offered my son a chance to play Junior"A" at a very high level, in front of some of the best fans in hockey, and for that I'm very thankful. We all have our warts, his just get picked at more than others.

"Allegedly", there are countless players that have been paid salaries between $500. and $1,000. PER WEEK for playing in the OPJHL, and this has been going on for years. These are usually the 19 or 20 year olds, though the high end youngster will get plenty of dough too.

Many teams play by the rules and simply provide a couple of hundred a week for gas, school expenses, etc., and many others "allegedly" have forged ahead with plans to compete for titles with huge budgets in salaries.

It's one reason some colleges have told us they stay away from some OP clubs or players because they can't be sure that a player's amateur status is intact, and it's not worth the risk.

It also goes without saying that just because you work within any of those organizations "alledgedly" payin' the big bucks that you would be privy to some owner or manager openly handing over envelopes with cash in them. You don't think they'd do it in public view, do you?

in your league its the opposite eh. the players hand you the wads of cash

ok uretsky name the school!!!

uretsky seems very well versed and when he was part of the thornhill rattlers they were playing players HUGE!!!!
now he's charging players HUGE!!!!!
i wonder how many players from his moose team have ever got a scholarship?????