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"glorified” Greater Toronto Area ‘AAA’ league

April 17 2009 at 9:29 AM
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http://www.trentonian.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1522624


The Trenton Golden Hawks had no desire to play in a glorified Greater Toronto Area AAA league and thats why theyve opted to stay in the Ontario Junior Hockey Leagues Classic Conference for the 2009/2010 season, says Director of Hockey Operations and General Manager Tim Clayden.

OJHL governors finalized a split of the 36-team league into two distinct conferences at a special meeting last Wednesday, allowing a festering philosophical division to go its separate ways.

For several years now league members have struggled to find common ground between the development of young players and competing for the Royal Bank Cup national championship.

With the Central Division pilot project now complete, the largest junior A hockey league in Canada has decided there is room for both philosophies. The 15-team Classic Conference will continue with the status quo rules under Canadian Hockey guidelines, while the 21-team Central Conference will be controlled by much stricter internal conference guidelines in regards to age enforcement.

"It was clear that we were not going to resolve a couple of key philosophical issues," OJHL Chairman Lloyd Stockley said in a press release. "What we did agree on was that we could find enough common ground to push forward and allow all teams to get on with the task of preparing for next season.

Joining the Golden Hawks in the Classic Conference will be the Kingston Voyageurs, Aurora Tigers, Collingwood Blues, Couchiching Terriers, Huntsville Otters, Villanova Knights, Vaughan Vipers, Brampton Capitals, Buffalo Jr. Sabres, Georgetown Raiders, Milton Icehawks, Mississauga Chargers, Oakville Blades and Bramalea Blues.

They will play with a limit of nine 20-year-olds, as per Hockey Canada's rules. Player ages will be determined by individual team philosophies under Hockey Canada's junior A guidelines.

The Central Conference will dress 19 players per night, as opposed to the 20 allowed by Hockey Canada, and will be allowed to carry five 20-year-olds and eight 19-year-olds

on their rosters. Conference age limits are determined by internal conference guidelines.

Among the Central teams will be the Wellington Dukes, Burlington Cougars, Hamilton Red Wings, Orangeville Crushers, Streetsville Derbys, Dixie Beehives, North York Rangers, Newmarket Hurricanes, Toronto Jr. Canadiens, St. Michael's Buzzers, Bowmanville Eagles, Cobourg Cougars, Lindsay Muskies, Markham Waxers, Pickering Panthers, Stouffville Spirit, Whitby Fury, Upper Canada, Seguin Bruins, Ajax Attack and Peterborough Liftlock Stars.

Each Conference will now meet begin preparations for the 2009-2010 season, to determine divisions and other rules that will apply to their individual conferences.

At season's end, the two conference champions will meet in a best-of-seven series to compete for a berth in the Dudley Hewitt Cup, the Central Canadian championship.

While the Trenton team had already lost old rivalries with Wellington and Cobourg when the Dukes and Cougars joined the Central Division for this past season, the new conference re-alignments also wipe out rivalries with Peterborough, Lindsay and Bowmanville.

We didnt have a choice, we want to play where the best teams play, and not in a glorified city AAA league that eventually will have very limited busing and plans to charge players to annually play junior A hockey, similar to the outlawed (Greater Metro Hockey League), Clayden said.

Wellington GM and head coach Marty Abrams is one of the fathers of the Central Division model. Hes felt for a long time that the league was broken because unfettered spending by privately owned teams makes it increasingly difficult for community-owned teams such as the Dukes to compete for talent.

Abrams has argued for several years that the OJHL has strayed from providing high quality hockey entertainment while developing junior aged players to move onto NCAA, Canadian university and major junior hockey careers.

In a recent article in the Wellington Times, Abrams used this years OJHL finalists, Kingston and Oakville as an example of privately owned teams that spend big bucks to attract talent, while teams like the Dukes must work day and night just to tread water.

Clayden, on the other hand, cant understand why Abrams and the Dukes would want to end the rivalry between Wellington and Trenton.

I have no idea what Marty is thinking about playing in the

glorified Central city AAA Conference, Clayden said. Marty is one of the smartest and best at this level of play across Canada, so having him give up the opportunity to play his neighbours every three weeks and fill his own rink while having his team continue to be one of the better teams in the league, in what obviously is going be the better conference that competes every night under the current Hockey Canada guidelines, is mind boggling.

We made a hockey decision, others are making their decision based on the perceived savings in travel and eventual revenue generations by charging players to play, Clayden said.

That is not junior A hockey.

Meanwhile, the Trenton squad will hold the Inaugural Golden Hawks Junior A Spring Training Camp May 29-31 at the RCAF Flyers Arena.

The camp costs $95 per player on a first come, first serve basis. Mail your payment to Trenton Golden Hawks Jr. A Hockey Club, 19 Tamblyn Road, Orono, Ontario, LOB 1MO.

 
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Re: "glorified” Greater Toronto Area ‘AAA’ league

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April 17 2009, 9:33 AM 

wasn't it TC that said "this is not about elite hockey leagues" and "we need trust" in the previous week's meetings? then he says this??? i think i hear the central steamroller firing up..lol.

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A better written article?

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April 17 2009, 9:48 AM 

http://www.yorkregion.com/News/Sports/article/90309

OJHL sides both claim victory, but one has decided edge

Sports April 15, 2009 06:26 PM
Cuddy Shark
John Cudmore

After a year of slugging it out, the combatants now are hunkered down in their respective corners, patching up wounds and devising their moving forward strategies as two distinct conferences within the Ontario Junior Hockey League.
In itself, that is a bizarre arrangement and, one supposes, in keeping with a league that has seen its share of bizarre over the years.

Not sure who the winner is, although both sides emerged from last Wednesday's governors meeting claiming victory in the latest of a series of battles that have defined the league since the announcement of the pilot project Central Division for the 2008-09 season.

However, if there is a conference that seems pointed toward the future, it is the Central, based as it is on the pilot project and its strong business-like approach.

Junior hockey has rarely been confused with things cutting edge, prone as it is to walking with the dinosaurs and repeating errors. But the Central Division's eight pioneer teams showed it is possible to have several teams working in conjunction for the betterment of the unit.

As was determined Wednesday night, 21 teams will operate next season under the Central model while 15 continue reading from the old operating manual - perhaps that's the reason it is referred to internally as the older conference. That 13 teams chose to unite with the eight Central Division teams side speaks volumes about the state of the OJHL. Even harsh critics are now lining up to give the new concept a chance.

Comparisons, both on and off the ice, are inevitable as the conferences continue to butt heads.

Initially, it would be no surprise at all, but certainly not a given, to find the Ontario Conference, the so-called older one, holds an edge in on-ice play, at least among its upper echelon teams. Off the ice, it should be no contest, however, as the fresh idea guys are aligned mostly in the Central Conference.

"It's two different ways of doing business; neither is right or wrong," said Mike McCarron, the president of the St. Michael's Buzzers and a key player in the Central Division's creation, last week.

It speaks that the Central model has gained such support so quickly. The downside is weak franchises still exist on both sides although, at some point, it is imaginable some will fall by the wayside.

"We know it will take up two or three years to bring everything up to speed," McCarron said. "Like any league, we want to raise the level of our bottom teams. But in five years we'll be playing on a par with the United States Hockey League."

Internally, the league of 36 teams now refers to itself as young and old, which really should be no reason to create two distinct conferences within one league. The Central favours more stringent caps on 20-year-old players and seems poised to apply that philosophy to 19-year-olds when it meets April 25 to begin setting out operating rules and creating divisional alignments.

By the way, it would come as no surprise if the new Central Conference is further subdivided into two divisions, with the eight original Central Division teams, including the Newmarket Hurricanes, Markham Waxers and Stouffville Spirit, joined by two to three newcomers.

The Ontario side, which met for the first time as a group last night, would prefer to operate with more older players, closer to the Hockey Canada maximum guidelines.

Despite the overall merits of its approach, it seems odd to impose restrictions on perfectly eligible junior-aged players while promoting under-aged midgets instead, as is the case with the Central Division, and now Central Conference.

But that is one issue that barely scratches the surface.

The crux of the matter is introducing a way to clean up the messy and often illegal activities in junior hockey. Its back door, under-the-table deals and other tawdry practices have sullied the league's image for far too long, and that is non-debatable.

Just out of the spotlight, it should also be interesting to watch as the governing Ontario Hockey Association bids to hang onto its rule of the OJHL given the 36 teams are united in at least the concept of hiring a full-time commissioner.

There should be concern for the long-range future of the Ontario Conference.

Clearly, the past method of operating junior hockey has ticked off a majority of franchise owners under the old guard, including the OHA. It's old, tired and, let's face it, dependent on the notion there is an endless supply of owners who can or will continue losing money.

A shakeup is overdue when changing the division names every few seasons is viewed as progressive.


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Re: A better written article?

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April 17 2009, 10:45 AM 

"Its back door, under-the-table deals and other tawdry practices"

Is it only me or does that sound like the way the Central was formed?

Anyway, thanks PM87 for providing another opinion on the damaging split done to the OJHL by the Central.

 
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April 17 2009, 2:18 PM 

hey pm!
i guess it wasn't my imagination about the central wanting to charge players!
and it's not only me that is comparing this to the outlaw league.
its all about owners going as cheap as possible and the interest of quality hockey and development is secondary. these players will not develop with lesser competition and the better players will want to play in the best possible league to have a better chance ay advancing to the next level.
that will be the classic in my most humble of opinion.

 
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April 17 2009, 2:37 PM 

The new Central Division doesn't give the Scouts much credit, if anyone thinks for one second they wont be swarming the Classic Divison games, they could be sadly mistaken........everyone must admit that these changes open the door for anything to be possible.............it is possible that the Classic division will have the best 19 & 20 year olds in the league, it is also possible that the cream of the crop young 16, 17 & 18 year old players who can hold their own with the 19 & 20 year olds may flock to this league as well. Can you imagine, a 14 Team League with the best of the best in it.

Classic Division.....the door is open, make this Division outstanding.....focus on the best players in the league, make NCAA ALSO a priorty, set up a mandate to focus on the best of the best with the main goal to move all players onto ALL levels of hockey from NCAA and also Professional Leagues.

The Central Division has opened the door for you, RUN through it and make this Division a place players dream about playing, before they move onto the next level.


 
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Too little too late

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April 17 2009, 2:58 PM 

I have no idea what Marty is thinking about playing in the glorified Central city AAA Conference, Clayden said. Marty is one of the smartest and best at this level of play across Canada, so having him give up the opportunity to play his neighbours every three weeks and fill his own rink while having his team continue to be one of the better teams in the league, in what obviously is going be the better conference that competes every night under the current Hockey Canada guidelines, is mind boggling.
We made a hockey decision, others are making their decision based on the perceived savings in travel and eventual revenue generations by charging players to play, Clayden said. That is not junior A hockey.


It was good to read Claydens views since they pair with the overall concept of what Junior A Hockey is suppose to be about. Specifically, the next level of hockey and not more of what Minor Hockey (GTHL/OMHA/ALLIANCE) already do.

Sad that the Central junta will likely do irreparable damage to Junior A hockey in Ontario destroying their fan bases and rivalries with their own desire to control their own league (Metro Returns).

Irresponsible for the Central junta to sell their program as better for development for scholarships but with the majority going to Div 3 schools where is the benefit to the Canadian kid who ends up paying more that it would have cost playing in a Canadian University?

Shameful.



 
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April 17 2009, 5:58 PM 

Does anyone have any statistics yet on NCAA committments, the CD were hand picked to focus on scholarships, how did they do compared to the other 3 Divisions.......were they more successful. I know Wellington was super successful as usual but they did have a bunch of 20 year olds, looks like Markham had 11 19 year olds, so that wont happen this year.

Instead of back and forth......were they truly successful in their goal?


 
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April 17 2009, 6:19 PM 

Here you go Properyof

Taken from Chris Heisenberg's website. 2009 comittments.

"Classic" Division:

Domenic Monardo-RC Aurora (OJHL) LAKE SUPERIOR
Evan Zych-LD Georgetown (OJHL) HOLY CROSS
Jordan Dewey-LD Georgetown (OJHL) ST.LAWRENCE
Jeremy Wick-W Georgetown (OJHL) ST.LAWRENCE
Brandon Pirri-LW Georgtown(OJHL) RPI
Ben Power-RW Kingston (OJHL) LAKE SUPERIOR
Dustin Walsh-LW Kingston (OJHL) DARTMOUTH (2009 or 2010)
Shawn Sirman-G Kingston (OJHL) MAINE
Cody Rosen-G Kingston (OJHL) CLARKSON
Lindsay Sparks-LC Oakville (OJHL) MICHIGAN
Braden Birch-RD Oakville (OJHL) CORNELL
Kellan Lain-LC Oakville (OJHL) LAKE SUPERIOR
Jeremy Welsh-LW Oakville (OJHL) UNION


Core teams joining the Central:

Ben Parker-RD Bowmanville (OJHL) CANISIUS
Colin Wright-D Burlington (OJHL) U.MASS-LOWELL
Daniel Koudys-C Burlington (OJHL) BENTLEY
Andrew Hare-G Burlington (OJHL) NIAGARA UNIVERSITY
Nicholas Vassos-RC Orangeville (OJHL) ALABAMA-HUNTSVILLE
Robert Visca-LW Orangeville (OJHL) U.MASS-LOWELL


Central:

Mathieu Cadieux-G Cobourg (OJHL) QUINNIPIAC
Joey Diamond-LC Hamilton (OJHL) MAINE
Nathan Pageau-C Hamilton (OJHL) BOWLING GREEN
Paul Chiasson-RW Jr. Canadiens (OJHL) MERCYHURST
Marc Zanette-RC Markham (OJHL) NIAGARA UNIVERSITY
Bryan Potts-RW Markham (OJHL) RIT
Chris Tanev-RD Markham (OJHL) RIT
Jordan Mustard-LD Markham (OJHL) CANISIUS
Nick D'Agostino-LD St.Mike's (OJHL) CORNELL
Reilly Smith-RW St.Mike's (OJHL) MIAMI-OHIO
Eric Axell-RW St.Mike's (OJHL) CORNELL
Patrick McEachen-LD Stouffville (OJHL) CLARKSON
Jarred Seymour-LD Stouffville (OJHL) CORNELL (2009 or 2010)
Jeremy Franklin-RW Wellington (OJHL) MERCYHURST
Marty O'Grady-RW Wellington (OJHL) RPI
Marc Senecal-LW Wellington (OJHL) BROWN

 
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April 17 2009, 9:16 PM 

8 of the central schollies were in place when these teams were in the junior a league. look on heisenbergers site from last year . its all there

 
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Pay to play?

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April 17 2009, 6:42 PM 

Pay to play? You pay & the owners kid plays. Kind of does sound like minor hockey. Worst offenders in the GTHL for years was the Toronto Red Wings. They were known for "leasing" out a birth year to a father of a player that virtually controlled all aspects of the team.

Past owner of
Toronto Red Wings = Hyman

Past parent groups
89 Fenwick, 90 Hebscher/Manno, 91 Porco, 92 Hyman

Any of these names sound familiar?

 
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Hamilton times two

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April 17 2009, 10:49 PM 

There will be 2 Hymans on Hamilton this season so only one 93 spot open

 
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April 18 2009, 8:19 AM 

Is it just me or does this year seem light on the "commits". 

 
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April 18 2009, 8:23 AM 

not if you're in bc alberta or the ushl!

 
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