been working away at it, i must have bxo or whatever, this is insane tight and no results in 8 months, or lichen schlerois, can't think which one i feel so sick right now like this is never going to work.

i bought the glansie, of course that's done squat, is there any point in getting this gfs? or is it more bs? funny thing about the glansie is that no one really has anything specific to say about it, same as this gfs thing



let's assume i have bxo or LS. what do i do from here? keep using the beta 0.05% 2 times/day for eternity until something happens? what else? i'm not getting circ'd no matter what, but im so depressed over this i can't do anything else.

Have you tried flesh tunnels? They're pretty reasonably priced and seem to be of just the right shape and size. Look over the previous threads to find discussions of them.

I'm pretty impressed by the GFS device. I spent nearly an hour (or perhaps over) chatting on the phone to the chap who runs the company (not that there is only one fellow involved) and working through all the questions I had about it. I have yet to get my hands on the actual device however.

Basically, it's a balloon device with a shaped "form" inside which fits under the foreskin and keeps it in the right place. It is inflated with air, which gives a very even pressure in all directions, and the advice is to use it inflated for a few minutes at a time for a few days, then gradually increase the amount of time until it might be used throughout the day and perhaps night. This is of course, pretty much what we suggest as the most effective method - continuous or nearly continuous stretching pressure.

On the other hand, you may note the experience of the fellow here using the "flesh tunnels", who finds that for maximum effect, it is necessary to absolutely minimise the proportion of time not stretching to something of the order of a fraction of an hour - however long it takes to clean and re-insert the device. As ready-made and readily available devices due to the recent popularity of body mutilation, these do appear to be a very practical approach.

"BXO" is merely a debased name for Lichen Sclerosis affecting a male (it affects women far more often) - they are one and the same. It's a scarring disease, and the treatment for it is the highest potency steroid available, used consistently until it gets completely better - there is absolutely no sense in "giving the skin a break" or a "rest" from the treatment - you have to treat it continuously until it has settled down totally.

Now I don't know whether you actually have LS or not. My understanding of your description is that you simply have never been able to retract your foreskin, not that it was retractile and then began to scar down which is by far the usual presentation of the disease.

If indeed it were LS, then betamethasone ointment 0.1% is pretty much the most appropriate steroid though I think there may be one other considered a little more potent - it doesn't come to mind just now. The same effect the (correct) steroid has in treating LS, is also appropriate in effecting stretching in the absence of LS, but the consistency of the treatment is (probably) not as critical.

cool,thanks, this helps some.

so as to the beta. 0.05% which I am currently using, would it be much of a big deal to stay with it, or should I try and upgrade to the .1%? since this stuff thins the skin, let's say I use the 0.05 for the next year 2x daily, what happens if it just continually thins and thins? does it become more elastic, or 'disappear' or get 'destroyed.' (I'm very confused on this part).

and yes, i have never been able to retract, can't flaccid or erect at all.


i really don't like the sounds of the gfs...i have stretched off and on for 8 months and seen nothing, and this is supposed to help me by using it a few minutes a day in 2 weeks?? or even a month? does this really sound likely?

i think i'll try those flesh tunnels first, but i might order the gfs too, i'm curious if you think that think could work in a month with someone that has a tight a foreskin as mine.

A month? Probably not, but it has worked for others. I think that within a month, you should see some change however.

The flesh tunnels won't set you back much, so I highly recommend the investment in a few of progressively increasing sizes. Surely you can insert a small one right now, leaving it in place for most of the day. Remove it only for cleaning, and then replace it immediately. The use of a lubricant such as KY will make insertion easier.

My recommendation is to try one which slightly taxes the opening but not so greatly that pain ensues. Use it as long as there is resistance, and then move up to the next size.

alright, i remember reading back about those flesh tunnels but it might take a while to find..i think they are also used somehow with ears? does this mean i could find them locally, or do i have to search online?

and do you have any answer to my silly betamethasone question? also, when women are prescribed it, are they always cured even if it takes a while to see results, or are there some incurable cases?

Online purchasing of flesh tunnels should be easy. I've found them on ebay at very good prices. As I recall, you're in GB, so you should have lots of piercing parlors which could supply you.

Look for silicone tunnels, which are easily cleaned and also quite supple. I suppose stainless steel could also be used if the edges are smooth. I suspect that the best avenue of insertion is to put the tunnel at a 45 degree angle to the opening, getting one side inside the cavity, and then gently tugging the skin on the other side up over the rim of the device. With a little practice, you should get the hang of it.

Glad to see someone is going to try this, im sick of being the only test dummie so for :P

I have left a post on the "circumcision at 26" thread concerning the best method to insert them which is folding them in half and alowing them to re open once inside the tight band. if the tunnel size you require is too small to fold in half as mine was then the way to get them in is push the foreskin as far forward as it will go and with your index fingers on either side pinch the skin between the index fingers and the side of your thumb for leverage, using the tips of your thumb (which sould be in the correct position press the tunnel into the tight band whilst pulling the skin away. this should be the only painfull experience you have using the flesh tunnels. There probably are other less complicated ways of gettin un foldable flesh tunnels into the foreskin be patient with the first one try measuring the opening to get an acurate diameter of band so you can get a proportionate sized tunnel. Read back on the other thread im sure you will find all the information you will need back there.

I really appreciate your contributions. Thank you so much.

As before, if you are clearly having difficulty, we cannot make any promises as to how quick any particular method will work.

There are two factors determining the whole thing, one is the effectiveness of the method of stretching, and the other is the duration or amount of time spent stretching.

The Glansie should by all accounts be effective, given that it can be placed through the tight area before it is opened. It is going to be most effective at the tighter stages of phimosis (and I am presuming you have demonstrated by the "balloon test" that your foreskin is completely separated from your glans), but once you have an opening of a centimetre or so, you would need "snubs" to continue to use it effectively.

I am presuming you have the version with the ratchet, because otherwise I think you will have a problem with fatigue in holding it, which may mean that you do not apply a consistent pressure and in fact, apply too much pressure from time to time, which is not going to enhance your satisfaction with the method. On the other hand, a rubber band would probably substitute for the ratchet.

Even so, the Glansie is not really helpful for prolonged stretching.

The "few minutes a day" in reference to the GFS may be a slight misunderstanding. Clearly, a few minutes a day will be quite effective for some people, but you are probably not one of them. The device is intended to be used for gradually increasing durations, and if necessary it can eventually used all day, which should be very effective. The design is such that it is quite easy to remove and re-insert (as you would have to, to pee), compared to the "flesh tunnels" which will require some skill.

Not that that is a limitation. The "flesh tunnels" should be quite cheap - though you will need a whole set of sizes, they may in the end result prove to be the same cost as the GFS. Not that cost should be a concern at all, as any (or all) of these devices are going to be much cheaper than seeing a surgeon!

While the "flesh tunnels" will as I say, require skill to insert, you would only be doing this once (or perhaps twice) a day as they can be left in place to pee (or indeed, even to have sex, I suspect, though they might be a little harsh on the glans and frænulum ).

If you have betamethasone 0.05% as cream, you are far better off than having none, so I wouldn't sweat the difference. I'm merely pointing out what is the best to make it clear to anyone who is asking. Again, the important thing is to apply it to the tight zone (which means you have to accurately identify that tight zone) and only the tight zone. What was drummed into us in the lecture on LS, is that the "skin thinning" is exactly what is desired in using it, until the skin is thin enough to be normally supple and in your case, stretch as you need it to, then it hasn't been effective enough, let alone any concern about being "too thin".

(Interesting warning, from someone else who I believe did not use the steroid - you may however develop "stretch marks" on the foreskin in the process of stretching. If so, tough! No worse than a scar, you see.)