kegels?October 5 2010 at 4:04 AM
|anony (no login)|
Hey, do you guys know anything about kegels and reverse kegels? I heard that they are exercises that strengthen the PC muscle and relieve premature ejaculation/lead to better sex. I'm wondering which one of these exercises are primarily for premature ejaculation, and if you guys know any good techniques/routines?
So what are your opinions about these exercises?
*** And is it possible to kegel/reverse kegel while stretching my foreskin for phimosis at the same time?
|October 5 2010, 8:36 AM |
Strengthening the PC and BC muscles in the pelvic floor CAN lead to better quality of erections. Don't overdo things though because it is regular skeletal muscle building so take days off between doing kegel routines. I would suggest just starting slowly.
Kegeling at the right time during sex can hold back ejaculation and lead to dry orgasms. If your kegel routine is overdone though it can lead to uncontrollable kegelling during sex which can bring you to orgasm quicker and sort of induce premature ejaculation.
It is good that you are aware of 'reverse kegels' also, if you practice these in equal measure as kegels then the you can have full control of the area during sex and not have the worry of uncontrollable tension. Good luck.
|October 5 2010, 2:23 PM |
Kegel exercises are of course an absolute must for women to maintain sexual function through a lifetime, as well as to minimise the risk of embarrassing consequences particularly of childbearing, but also of direct effects of ageing. Performing them from early in or in fact before pregnancy will strengthen the structures in advance and reduce the likelihood of such birth injuries that will later cause problems. The problem is as it relates to this forum on managing "phimosis", actually motivating people to perform such exercises with sufficient persistence to be in any way effective.
For men, the benefit of Kegel exercises is less evident. Certainly, for older men, these muscles will be useful in managing symptoms of a rogue prostate and minimise the likelihood of bowel incontinence of whatever cause. Since ejaculation is implemented by pelvic muscle contraction compressing the (internal) base of the penis causing a progressive wave of pressure along the corpus spongiosum and thus the urethra, then enhancing that muscle power will, dependent on a full erection, increase the force of ejaculation.
Prior to ejaculation, pelvic muscle contraction is an optional element of sexual practice, which by transiently enhancing the firmness of erection may be used to increase stimulation. Of course, if your concern is premature ejaculation, this is probably counter to what you desire. But generally you do not have to initiate a muscle contraction, though it may occur reflexly due to stimulation of the glans - but that would be a quite separate problem of over-sensitivity. That aside, there is no obvious harm in respect of PE, in enhancing the pelvic muscle strength through Kegel exercises.
I have not previously encountered the concept of "reverse Kegel" exercises. It would appear that what is described, is exercises that serve the reverse action of pelvic muscle contraction, which is generally referred to as "bearing down" such as accelerating urination, evacuating the bowel or in the case of women, pushing the baby out in childbirth. The latter is a fascinating subject as it has been quasi-traditional for attendants to "motivate" the woman by screaming encouragements to "Push, Push" at the appropriate time. This is perhaps a consequence of epidural anaesthesia which entirely removes the natural control mechanisms of this process, but in unmedicated childbirth, is entirely inappropriate as the natural reflexes will accurately indicate the need to push. Just as you yourself do when having a bowel action.
Other connected aspects of the "reverse Kegel" concept, seem to be the ability to direct the (either) muscle action preferentially toward the penis or the bowel, and the concept of deliberate relaxation of the muscles. It is in fact possible to gain quite specific control of either anterior or posterior pelvic musculature as you might already do to some extent when choosing whether to urinate or evacuate the bowel.
All these things have their place. I can see little value in practicing "bearing down" as it mostly involves the abdominal muscles which can be and readily are exercised by such things as sit-ups where they are (should be) actually combined with pelvic floor tightening to counter the tendency for prolapse (in women in particular) and the development of haemorrhoids (which is why "straining" at bowel actions, should be specifically avoided as a matter of health practice, something which as an observer of the adverse consequences, I would like to see incorporated into "health" and sexual education in schools).
Two final comments - as with all other topics, I note a lot of arrant nonsense published on the Internet about such things as "reverse Kegel" exercises.
And yes, I think it would be an excellent idea to perform Kegel exercises simultaneously with foreskin stretching. Premature ejaculation is an entirely separate situation to either of these, though if you believe it to be related primarily to the intensity of stimulation, you would actually be wary of correcting phimosis as most people would expect your glans to be more sensitive when exposed. However as I point out, this is not the root cause of PE.
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|October 5 2010, 8:01 PM |
Can you suggest any other methods to counter PE?
As anonymous said up there, I've read that by doing kegel and reverse kegel exercises, you can have better control over the PC and BC muscles, and can control the time of ejaculation, and possibly experience dry orgasms, which is an orgasm without ejaculation.
I've also read that kegel exercises sometimes actually create more problems with PE, while reverse kegels counter it? Then again Paul, you're right, the Internet is filled with unreliable sources, so it's difficult :|.
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|October 6 2010, 9:34 AM |
Unless you are 17, PE shouldn't be an issue, but, of course, for you, it is. The mind plays a big role in sex, so perhaps you're thinking about this too much. Try taking up physical exercise which will divert some of your energy and increase your endorphin level so that you're thinking of more positive subjects. Above all, stay away from the subject on the internet.
When the moment arrives, spend more time with the warmup act and enjoy your partner. If you happen to go off too early, go for a second round.