I would really apprieciate your thoughts on how I may best proceed following a frenulopasty?
In my case I am able to fully retract the foreskin when flaccid and erect however when erect the foreskin gets stuck behind the glands. Whilst erect the only way of returning the foreskin over the glands is if I do it manually. I have quite pronounced galnds in comparison to the shaft.
My aim is for the foreskin to move freely over the glands whilst erect.
I have as you advise read through all your threads here and fully understand the effiacy of the techniques described. Its just that unfortunately I only discovered this forum after realising I had made a big mistake having surgery.
As you can imagine this has meant days of uneasy reading for me. Your comments regarding frenuloplasty have began to haunt me as I come to terms with the idiocy of my 'Surgical Misadventure'.
Needless to say I wont be going back for the preputioplasty suggested by my urologist if the frenuloplasty didnt help. When saying his words back I can only wonder what made me think it would. I suppose I was stupidly in search of that 'quick fix' that you rightfully advise against seeking.
I have began to sort of give up, with thoughts of, whats the point in trying to stretch when i've permanently ruined my penis (kind of thing). Thats the impression Ive got. I need to get out of this mind set.
At this point I could really do with some encouragement to implement the excercises. Im sorry to have you guy's repeating yourselves but some positive, personal direction would really help.
Hey man, it's not so drastic that you have to fall into depression over it. At least you didn't fall for a circumcision, so you still have the function of yours.
It the foreskin is not returning, that indicates tightness. Since the frenulum is not restricting movement, it has to be the diameter of the foreskin. That's what need work.
A possible outcome could be a foreskin which no longer covers the glans. Since you have a very pronounced glans, I assume the corona is as well, and that should keep the foreskin from automaticaly retracting.
Re: Not ruined
December 10 2010, 10:40 AM
Thanks Jim, really needed to hear that.
Yes it is the foreskin diameter that needs the work. And I have started on the excersises today.
What do you mean a possible outcome could be that the foreskin doesnt cover the glans? A possible outcome of stretching? By the corona do you mean the widest part of the glans? Where the tight foreskin gets stuck (beyond the pronounced glans on the shaft) even with sufficient stretching beyond that diameter is it the case that the shape itself can stop easy retracting over it when erect?
If you were to stretch so much that there were no resistance, without the frenulum, the foreskin might fall back of the groove and stay there. I don't think you'll get to that point. I think it would be ideal to have a certain degree of resistance to retraction. You'll know when you reach that point.
Yes, the corona (crown) is the widest part of the glans. Think of the Mexican beer and what it means. The label gives it away.
You may notice that whilst I always advise against it, I do not consider a frænuloplasty to be "the worst thing in the world". Clearly, a circumcision on the other hand, is from a genital function point of view.
I say this on two bases. It has often been claimed that the frænulum is highly sensitive, or that it has an artery that is important in maintaining perfusion of the urethral meatus. Neither of these makes sense on a physiological basis, as it is a mid-line structure - effectively a "left-over" from the fusion of the two sides of the structure.
The second reason is that it does, not infrequently, tear. This is not to say that it should always tear - as some really bizarre claims assert - but if that was likely to be a sexual disadvantage, it would surely be more robust in the first place.
What I think it does do, is to provide a modest effect in replacing the foreskin forward after an erection has passed, and tends to convey motion of the foreskin to the urethral meatus which is a quite sensitive area and which sensation is in moderation, pleasurable.
All these things are relative, or proportional, it's not really "all or none".
Your stated objective, for the foreskin to move freely over the glands whilst erect, sounds perfectly appropriate, and stretching the opening is what you want. You probably also want to stretch your frænulum a little to counteract any scarring subsequent to the surgery.
"Automatic" retraction and/ or re-covering of your glans may or not occur, but really matters little either way, since these are two rather brief points in the whole sexual experience.
ashley (no login)
Re: Always thinking.
December 12 2010, 10:18 AM
Thanks Paul, I understand what you are saying. Im starting to get things a little more into perspective.
I hate the fact that I have lost the pleasurable sensation of the frenulum. Although if my aim is to be achieved, hopefully the sensation of the ridged band moving freely over the glans when erect will sort of make up for that. Since having the frenulopasty there is a point ( a little more than halfway down the glans) to where I can do this.
I cannot imagine an "automatic" retraction of the glans whilst erect as the diameter will need to be stretched quite significantly. It will be interesting to see how the stretching works in that regard. And with regards to what Jim was saying about having a certain degree of resistance to retraction.
Since I no longer have a frenulum do I do the stretches as directed in the photos or do I need to change the technique somewhat?
I notice that on this forum that you deal with a lot of sexual inexperience and unrealistic expectations of sex . I am gay and have always been able to have sex albeit with some niggling discomfort. Either with a condom over covered glans (which poses the obvious problems of reduced sensitivity) Or whilst with the glans exposed and the tight foreskin stuck behind. It is the tension or tightness felt when I do this that detracts from the pleasure.
Well, I suspect you have not lost too much frænulum sensation (because I don't think the frænulum in itself is particularly sensitive - what it does do is to transmit the sensation of tugging to the sensitive urethral meatus and that is still there) but of course, you can't have it both ways anyway.
And you can't have it both ways about the foreskin tightness. While it may be appropriate for the foreskin to retract "automatically" with an erection, growing to adulthood with a foreskin that does not retract, means that erections have stretched the foreskin to be longer than if it simply slipped back over an erection, and also if it is tight, then the sensation of retraction will by the same token, be stronger.
So you can stretch to whatever degree of looseness you wish. And if you think you have made it "too" loose, simply stop stretching at that point and it will tend to tighten up just a little. This is the necessary converse of our advice that you stretch a little beyond - both in tine and degree - the point at which you wish to "set" it.
If you have absolutely no frænulum remaining, then you would not need that form of stretching, however because surgical scars tend to tighten, you may need to stretch the area - by the same technique - to keep it supple. All I can do is to explain the principles, you have to judge what to do - how much - to get the result you want.
You bet that on this forum we deal with a lot of sexual inexperience and unrealistic expectations of sex! That's pretty much the whole deal! If people in general - and doctors - were educated about how sex really works, circumcision would not even be considered (even for "medical" cases, which are themselves very rare anyway) and valuing a functioning foreskin, everyone would treasure knowledge such as we hope to offer, as necessary to ensure it does function normally. To the measure that circumcision still exists, it vividly demonstrates the public ignorance.
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