Thank you for your kind response. I hope I didn't offend any of the men who are dealing with foreskin problems. I greatly admire them for not taking the all too easy way out, and following the crowd to cut parts of themselves off. I'm so glad that the rate for neonatal circumcision is dropping in the USA. I grew up in an area where it was like 100% cut. For my Mother it was the "cancer" scare, for a wife that hadn't been born yet.
Your webpage is very informative for men like me. Allowing links to photos makes things a lot clearer. Although my Father was uncut, he didn't share that heritage with me. I had no idea how to coach my sons through puberty with a foreskin, what was normal, and what was not.
We were living in California when they were born, and yea it is easier to make the right decision if you aren't the only one. I sure didn't know it at the time though, the doctors and the nurses thought we were being neglectful of our sons' health. Our firstborn was premature by seven weeks. His life was touch-and-go for a month, having to undergo surgery for a perforated bowel, being fed intraveneously, and still they kept asking us when we were going to cut him. NEVER, You idiots.
I've been thinking over the weekend. I'm surprised that there aren't more devices to help with stretching the foreskin opening. It doesn't sound like the balloon stays in very easily. Surely there must be some better innovators out there, and for such a worthy cause. It just almost makes me cry to think of a man having never seen his own glans. At least those on this page have the assurance that their parts are all there, somewhere. My problem is the opposite. I would be more motivated to restore, even at my age, but the frenulum is gone for keeps.
Question, does the frenulum attach all the way to the tip of the foreskin? According to my reading, an Old Testament circumcision was just the tip. I'm wondering how that would work, and what that would feel like after it healed? I'm sure there was a lot of agony for an adult at the get-go. I've heard the very tip is the most sensitive part.
This subject has always been a mystery to me. Why would anyone who is not Jewish wish to do anything like circumcision? How could a mother, of all people, allow her newborn son to be subjected to such torture? Congratulations for having the courage to stand up to such lies and pressure!
For those trying to loosen the foreskin, the GFS balloon employs a proven method of expanding skin. I think most of the challenge lies with the user. Some just give without experimentation. Since not all penises are alike, it stands to reason that one size won't necessarily fit all, but I do beleive allowances can be made to make it work.
For foreskin restoration, the air pressure balloon is a no brainer to make work. There is no challenge with it at all because of the design. However, it does require several steps.
The frenulum is a continuation of the frenar band, which is at the end of the foreskin, so, yes, the frenulum attaches at the end. There is variation of the point of attachment.
Yes, in the Bible days, that had to hurt like Hell for sure. It is believed that the practice was not so invasive as is now practiced. In locker rooms, I recall having seen such cuts, so there are physicians still employing such a style. I'm not sure of the time in history, but I think the Roman and Greek Empires were still in power when the Rabbis changed the acceptable style of circumcision so that restoration would be more difficult. Before the entire glans was exposed, it was possible for Jews to hide their identity. So, you can thank the Rabbis of old for your American cut! The foreskin is laden with some 20,000 nerve ending which impart pleasure. Much of the pleasure comes from the ridged bands at the frenar band. This means you are right about the origin of much sensation. Some men emphatically claim most of their pleasure comes from the frenulum itself. This is a frequent claim of circumcised men whose only remnant of a foreskin is the remaining frenulum.
I believe if American men were to become fully educated in the role of the foreskin and what it offers, we'd see an even more rapid decline in the wholesale slaughter we are still witnessing among baby boys. I cannot imagine that any man, no matter how ruthless and heartless, could subject his own son to a fate of diminished sexual pleasure for life. Because denial suppresses the truth of personal injury at the hands of a loved one so well, education of the victims is a huge challenge. It's as monumental as getting the alchoholic's attention that he has a drinking problem. Nonetheless, the story must be told, regardless of the rejection of the story.
Have your sons yet fathered their own sons? I'm curious, of course, how this anti-establishment practice might manifest in the next generation. Perhaps this could serve as a backdoor approach to your wonder of their successes with retraction.
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Lots to think about
May 10 2012, 9:00 AM
Thanks again for your reply.
Circumcision makes no sense to me, with the possible exception of the Jews, though the eight-day-old part doesn't sound like the God I know. I don't buy that section of Genesis. The whole discussion ruins a good part of the New Testament as well.
I can't for the life of me figure why other cultures actually preceeded the Jews, except that it's a blood sport, and what could be more gruesome, or personal?
Thanks for the link to Foreskin Restore. I didn't see anything on there though about air pressure. The devices I have seen are all tension, or weight.
Thanks also for the info on a frenulum. What I wouldn't give to have mine back, and yea, the little bit I have left is the sweet spot. It sickens me to think of some doctors that purposely gouge out every bit they can.
As for the complete removal of the foreskin, according to my reading that dates to 140 AD. The idea of doing that to a newborn infant should be criminal, and result in the amputation of the offending dick.
As for my sons, no they haven't yet had sons of their own. You can bet I will stand vigil at their sides, to fend off any doctor with a knife. I can't imagine that my sons would voluntarily choose to injure their sons though. I plan on asking my Dad just what the hell he was thinking. Of course in modern medicine the father doesn't have much to say. The woman is considered the patient, and since she knows so much about how a penis should function, she is the one that signs the form. I got a belabored apology from my Mom. We all put too much faith in letters after someone's name.
This might be kinda personal, but what is your background? Are you cut, or were you lucky? Did you persoanly deal with Phimosis? You can answer me privately if you wish.
The deal between the Jews and God is simply an agreement as I understand it. They became idellibly marked as His chosen people by the spilling blood. The part about inflicting this upon a newborn is the part I don't grasp, but I'm not God. I suspect it's the value of the sacrifice which explains it. I'm sure the ancient Jews kwew as well as anyone how much pleasure their foreskins offered. Afterall, there wasn't a lot of distraction as we now have. In having to give up part of them, they were paying a big price for what God offered to do for them in return. That part makes sense. The part about the babies I think might be the tremendous value placed upon having sons in that era. In circumcising their sons, they were giving up part of something they treasured. It was a huge statement of faith.
Since Jesus made His sacrifice, as I see it, Jews are not bound by circumcision. Some writing of Paul pretty bluntly state that it would condemn those who continue to believe in its importance by making them responsible for the entire law. This seems to imply an inability to receive grace, doesn't it?
The page which explains the air pressure feature at the restore site is reached by clicking onto the lower center picture. Scroll down from there.
May 11 2012, 8:13 AM
Thanks for the discussion on this. I know it isn't the focus of your page. I am always interested in talking with other real, live men that actually understand the importance of a foreskin. I am so baffled by the majority of men who treat it like an unimportant flap of skin. If someone advocated the cutting off of fingers would that be OK too?
Most particularly you are of interest to me because of your religious background.
I really would like to get to know you better.
Are you OK with our discussion being on-list?
So, you didn't answer my questions about your background.
What is/was life like for you? What brought you to this issue?
As far as Genesis, I suspect there is more to the story with Abraham than we are given in a few short verses. What is there, conflicts with many other scriptures. It is either a mistranslation, or a purposeful insertion by an interested party. Abraham had spent a considerable amount of time in Egypt, where circumcision preceeded the Jews. Something is going on there, I'm just not sure what. I plan on asking a bunch of questions if I ever get some time with him. I want to understand, and put the whole cutting thing in context.
The most troublesome features are the eight-day-old infant, the "stranger withing the gate", and the Man-servants. What man of God would think it appropriate to harm infants, houseguests, and slaves? Where is the "sacrifice" in cutting off someone else's genitals????? Where is free-agency in that? It isn't there, and so I have to deduce that something is wrong with that section of scripture.
Big problem. And then we get to deal with it for oh' about four thousand years. People feeling "unclean" because they were born with skin around their dicks, just like every other mammal on the planet. Someone, somewhere, is going to answer for this.
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