I was wondering if anyone on here has any information on either of these two German watch brands. I've seen a number of watches under these brands online, but never in person yet. A couple of the models have sparked my interest. Are these decent brands? I'm sure they aren't higher end brands like Panerai, but I wonder if you all think they might be a good pick up at a decent price. I've seen a knock-off of a Tauchmeister already, but I wonder if the Tauchmeister is really just a knock-off of something else, or if its half-way original. Seems hard for designs to be truly original these days. Thanks in advance if anyone has ANY info on these brands.