i can see how it would work not sure about the full auto, ive make my walther ppk/s full auto by making a toy car motor drive like a wheel that had a rod conected and pushed the trigger very fast , went through the whole mag like 2 seconds , no shit. i guess you could do it on the 1077 but the heavy trigger pull would make it dificuilt. great idea on the bb hopper , i have 2 paintball guns and ive never thaught of using the same system on a air rifle, great idea. i ve tryed putting a 6mm pipe in my paintball gun barrel and was shooting bb's (plastic 6mm) a like fast as velocities , single shot in the backyard. anyway i have an idea you guys in canada y dont you buy a air rifle in .22 calibre and get a .177 barrel if you want more than 500fps caus i know 4 sure that will work
BB's are smaller than pellets. I do not see how they
October 4 2003, 7:14 PM
stay in the magazine. Also the magazine rotates by the trigger pull so unless you install a motor to rotate rotate it you cannot have a full auto. Another problen is being CO2 it will freeze up, from being cycled so fast.
were meaning to make another magizene ( paintball hopper type) where they will feed directly to the chaimber without the use of the current magazene. the only way i can see this working is by drilling into the reciever. even if it couldnt be made full auto a large magazene would rock. there would be no limmits. and it wouldnt need to be that big because the size oif the 4.5mm bb. like somthing the size of a d size battery would hold somthing like 300?. and about the freezing up. if it was bulked of a 12oz paintball tank you could just hold that trigger down for half rthe day and not run out of gas or ammo. theodore go bulk the unit costs alot but you start saving after no time
yea the magnit would hold it in place, but the steel would ruin the rifeling. i use steel bb's in my makarov mp654-k and the reason the rifeling is still in tact is because the baikal company makes the barells so bloody strong, dont think crosman makes barrels that strong.but the gun is only has a range of like 10 metres and id sacrifice the rifelking for a like 500 round hopper oh and i recon we could use a film canister you know like the ones the kodack films come in caus then just put a pipe on the bottom and take the cap off to refill
steel is bad for any gun even bb guns why do you think it has killed many a shotgun and the steel in air guns is a much thinner cheaper grade.. the ideas above would be great but my thoughts are use lead bbs instead you can buy them for a $1 a pound and instead of the hopper i would go with some type of tubular spring magazine in the stock for more positive feed you might not get 300 shots but mabye a 100 with the tube spring mag ever see those guns at a fair???
As I said, do it and prove us wrong. It appears we are
October 6 2003, 12:25 PM
not going to convince you it is not possible by your method. I do not think it is possible with this style of airgun without some major machining and engineering development and that translates into time and money. You need to do more than drop a BB between the outlet of the valve and the barrel especially at full auto and expect it to operate consistently. You could use lead BB's but a magnet will not work then. The latest full auto M16 airgun has been years in development and costs around $2000.00. It uses lead BB's. Airgun Illustrated has had an article on it.
Re: Re: As I said, do it and prove us wrong. It appears we are
October 6 2003, 4:08 PM
Hey guys....why not just stop all of this and go pick up a DROZD bb pistol. Run a google search for DROZD BB Pistol. Fully automatic, c02 powered bb pistol. Picked one up for 210 dollars a while back at a gun show, it's a slick little russian gun, but it looks a bit silly with the yellow lower stock mandated by US law. Eats up c02 even faster than the 1077!
I thought I was responding in a civil and logical manner
October 6 2003, 4:47 PM
about a question. Yes I posted a negative response about the feasibility of doing it and gave some reasons because that is my position. I am not used to being sworn at especially since I acted in a resonably manner. None of the responses have changed my mind. The yellow Russian full auto was not designed in a day, a lot of time and money went into it. All I said was go ahead and show me. I have been debating whether to drop this forum due to the langauge and use other airgun forums. I expect this made up my mind. Thank you for your time.
Re: I thought I was responding in a civil and logical manner
October 6 2003, 6:45 PM
I do sincerely hope that you can be more mature and disgust arguments in a manly fashion. Remember this isn’t politics for Pete’s sake. If you don’t like someone else’s opinion, then tell them about it. Tell them what you think in an honestly fashion. Set differences aside people. If someone doesn’t like your opinion so be it. It’s a free internet. Swears are allowed here but not allowed when directed towards someone or in a violent act of anger. So please keep your cool at all time.
Re: Re: I thought I was responding in a civil and logical manner
October 7 2003, 2:52 PM
Wowsers, uncle Gadget!
IF they can pull off a full auto 10/77, why not? But, like theodore said, man, it's gonna take some WORK. and You're definitely going to put a lot more money in than you'll get out. Sorta like the Galil build I did recently...cool looking .308 battle rifle, but no one is going to shell out the 2500 dollars I dumped into building it for a Post-Ban rifle with a fixed stock and no bayo lug/flash hider. To each their own, I say.
Take Care,
Travis