Pregnancy and Parenting After DE IVF

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  1. Anyone else have low breast milk? How did you manage? View entire thread - Antonialisa on Oct 8, 7:14 PM
    1. Re: Anyone else have low breast milk? How did you manage? - Anonymous on Oct 8, 7:59 PM
      1. the previous post was from me! Nt - Finch9 on Oct 8, 8:00 PM
    2. I had it -- and stopped the weighing at around 6 weeks. - Julie on Oct 9, 6:38 AM
    3. I made peace with it - Jen in TN on Oct 9, 8:26 AM
      1. Pretty much the same with me . . . - Maggie in VA on Oct 9, 11:05 AM
        1. Aw, that's sweet, Maggie - Jen in TN on Oct 9, 12:45 PM
    4. you are ROCKING it! good for you! - birdy1600 on Oct 9, 6:21 PM
    5. Thanks so much, as always - Antonialisa on Oct 9, 7:11 PM
     
  2. Potty readiness? View entire thread - Jen in TN on Oct 8, 6:37 PM
    1. Just like a puppy - thesameboat on Oct 9, 9:41 AM
    2. Sounds like he is ready! - MW on Oct 9, 10:18 AM
      1. Thanks! - Jen in TN on Oct 9, 11:45 AM
     
  3. PAH, I replied to you below on the potty regression post. nt View entire thread - Maggie in VA on Oct 7, 11:23 AM
    1. Added to your thoughts below. nt - PAH on Oct 8, 9:18 AM
     
  4. Lots of cramping now....pretty worried View entire thread - Al on Oct 7, 6:21 AM
    1. I had cramping, too . . . - Maggie in VA on Oct 7, 7:17 AM
      1. My doc told me - thesameboat on Oct 7, 9:54 AM
        1. Test is called fetal non stress test (NST) - Christine on Oct 7, 8:05 PM
    2. Hi Al.... - Lauranz on Oct 8, 12:44 AM
    3. P4 is my friend :) - Al on Oct 8, 7:05 AM
      1. So glad to read this - DeeinNYC on Oct 8, 1:36 PM
      2. Good news - Antonialisa on Oct 8, 6:29 PM
        1. :) - Al on Oct 9, 7:02 AM
     
  5. Update on latest speech and language assessment View entire thread - diaphanta on Oct 7, 4:24 AM
    1. Re: Update on latest speech and language assessment - Obie on Oct 7, 6:18 AM
      1. Obie - diaphanta on Oct 9, 2:12 AM
        1. Thank you - Obie on Oct 9, 6:12 AM
          1. No worries. - diaphanta on Oct 9, 12:39 PM
    2. Hi Diaphanta - Al on Oct 7, 6:31 AM
    3. I'm so sorry you're going through this... - Maya3 on Oct 7, 7:40 PM
    4. It's awful to see your child struggling - thesameboat on Oct 8, 3:54 AM
      1. Thanks everyone. - diaphanta on Oct 9, 2:06 AM
        1. Synesthesia? - thesameboat on Oct 10, 12:23 PM
          1. Yes, you did mention, SB. - diaphanta on Oct 11, 6:43 AM
     
  6. Random....some things I am glad my children will not inherit through me... View entire thread - BlessedThistle on Oct 6, 8:18 PM
    1. Yeah, it's a different ball game for those of us with . . . - Maggie in VA on Oct 7, 7:40 AM
      1. I'll have to learn more about that - BlessedThistle on Oct 7, 8:41 AM
    2. Same here - Jen in TN on Oct 8, 6:29 PM
    3. I think of these things all the time... - Maya3 on Oct 14, 3:40 AM
     
  7. I can't believe how long it has been since I've been able to post!!!! View entire thread - Veesha on Oct 5, 8:04 PM
    1. Welcome home. We missed you. :). nt - Margolis on Oct 5, 9:51 PM
      1. Hey Margolis! - Veesha on Oct 6, 7:35 PM
    2. I Missed You - GulfGal on Oct 6, 12:08 PM
      1. So glad to hear from you, GulGal! - Veesha on Oct 6, 8:21 PM
     
  8. P4 levels halved in only a week now I'm weaning off meds..... View entire thread - Al on Oct 4, 7:20 AM
    1. Your mileage may vary - aufrecht on Oct 5, 9:59 AM
    2. It's been so long... - Maybelline on Oct 5, 10:38 PM
    3. Thanks ladies.... - Al on Oct 7, 6:13 AM
     
  9. yahoo story on India "surrogacy hotel" View entire thread - Julie on Oct 3, 5:11 AM
    1. Queue all the same old, tired rhetoric . . . - Maggie in VA on Oct 3, 10:24 AM
     
  10. An update .. and thanks View entire thread - LateStarter394 on Oct 3, 12:57 AM
    1. ((latestarter)) - Kenny on Oct 3, 9:57 AM
    2. Wishing you a smoother path to parenthood . . . - Maggie in VA on Oct 3, 10:26 AM
    3. Thanks for posting - - sas on Oct 3, 12:58 PM
    4. What a wonderful tribute to your family - thesameboat on Oct 3, 1:24 PM
    5. So, so sorry - aussiehoneygirl on Oct 3, 2:49 PM
    6. (((LS))), my thoughts and prayers are with you. - Margolis on Oct 3, 4:10 PM
    7. I'm very saddened - Christine on Oct 3, 9:11 PM
    8. Hugs - MM on Oct 4, 9:20 AM
    9. You are an amazing mom! - PAH on Oct 4, 10:59 AM
    10. I just pray your continued strength - Veesha on Oct 5, 7:50 PM
    11. Been away from the board. I am so sorry for your loss. - Jen in TN on Oct 6, 4:01 PM
     
  11. (((latestarter))) View entire thread - sas on Oct 2, 4:07 PM
    1. Please know we are here for you - birdy1600 on Oct 2, 5:58 PM
    2. I've been thinking about you all week - Renata on Oct 4, 9:43 AM
     
  12. Thanks to replies below, Here's a powerful quote for all of us: View entire thread - Renata on Oct 1, 10:33 AM
    1. sweet Renata I am an expert on this - birdy1600 on Oct 2, 7:41 AM
    2. Lovely. Thank you! - Jen in TN on Oct 6, 3:59 PM
     
  13. News on POF front! View entire thread - birdy1600 on Oct 1, 6:01 AM
    1. Thanks, heard about this on the news yesterday . . . - Maggie in VA on Oct 1, 8:47 AM
     
  14. Help! Potty training regression! View entire thread - Maggie in VA on Sep 30, 11:21 AM
    1. Oh, gosh, Maggie - Ariadne on Oct 1, 7:45 PM
    2. I am in the trenches of some backsliding and just plain gross stuff. - PAH on Oct 4, 11:10 AM
      1. Thanks so much! - Maggie in VA on Oct 7, 11:22 AM
        1. Ridiculously hard to find the sweet spot! - PAH on Oct 8, 9:22 AM
     
  15. Seems insignificant given post below... View entire thread - Renata on Sep 30, 9:44 AM
    1. Renata, I'm sorry, you're really going through the wringer. - Maggie in VA on Sep 30, 9:59 AM
      1. Oh sorry Renata... - LizLA on Sep 30, 10:37 AM
    2. I could not cope without atenolol - BlessedThistle on Sep 30, 5:34 PM
    3. Sorry and an idea - demomone on Sep 30, 6:11 PM
    4. wish I could help... - sas on Sep 30, 7:44 PM
    5. Totally understandable - Lauranz on Sep 30, 10:52 PM
     
  16. I am so sorry for your loss View entire thread - Emily on Sep 29, 11:49 PM
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  18. Meeting up next Sunday View entire thread - THK on Sep 29, 11:39 PM
    1. fun! - birdy1600 on Oct 1, 7:14 AM
     
  19. We had a great day. View entire thread - Margolis on Sep 29, 8:21 PM
    1. how wonderful Margolis - THK on Sep 29, 11:45 PM
    2. Very much deserved :) - Al on Sep 30, 6:49 AM
    3. Oh, Margolis - Renata on Sep 30, 9:37 AM
    4. ahhhhh! - sas on Sep 30, 3:02 PM
    5. What a beautiful post... - Lauranz on Sep 30, 10:54 PM
    6. Lovely post, Margolis - Ariadne on Oct 1, 8:04 PM
     
  20. Need help. By twins' funeral is tomorrow (loss ment) View entire thread - LateStarter394 on Sep 29, 8:15 PM
    1. Oh, heaven, {{hugs}}, prayers, and more {{hugs}} . . . - Maggie in VA on Sep 29, 8:35 PM
      1. Re: Oh, heaven, {{hugs}}, prayers, and more {{hugs}} . . . - Anonymous on Sep 30, 12:03 AM
    2. I'm so very sorry for your loss - FL Gal on Sep 29, 8:39 PM
      1. Re: I'm so very sorry for your loss - LateStarter394 on Sep 30, 12:40 AM
    3. (((LS))), my heart goes out to you - Margolis on Sep 29, 9:18 PM
      1. Re: (((LS))), my heart goes out to you - LateStarter394 on Sep 30, 12:41 AM
      2. Margolis, I still will always remember your babe - birdy1600 on Oct 2, 5:56 PM
    4. I'm so very, very sorry for your loss - keifel on Sep 29, 10:10 PM
      1. Re: I'm so very, very sorry for your loss - LateStarter394 on Sep 30, 12:42 AM
    5. prayers for you and your twins - THK on Sep 29, 11:35 PM
      1. Re: prayers for you and your twins - LateStarter394 on Sep 30, 12:46 AM
    6. I'm so sorry for your loss - Emily on Sep 29, 11:50 PM
      1. Re: I'm so sorry for your loss - LateStarter394 on Sep 30, 12:44 AM
    7. prayers and hugs - Julie on Sep 30, 5:49 AM
    8. (((LS))) - Ariadne on Sep 30, 5:58 AM
    9. I am so very sorry - Leslie on Sep 30, 6:47 AM
    10. There aren't words.... - Al on Sep 30, 6:47 AM
    11. I'm so sorry - samys on Sep 30, 6:54 AM
    12. I'm so sorry for your loss - Maybelline on Sep 30, 7:15 AM
    13. Sending Prayers - HollyPa on Sep 30, 8:28 AM
    14. Oh, sweet girl ((((hugs)))) - Leeba on Sep 30, 8:30 AM
    15. ((LS)) - Kenny on Sep 30, 9:06 AM
    16. Deepest sympathy - Renata on Sep 30, 9:31 AM
    17. So sorry for you loss. - LizLA on Sep 30, 10:40 AM
    18. Very sorry - MM on Sep 30, 10:50 AM
    19. I am so, so very sorry.... - sas on Sep 30, 3:18 PM
    20. I am so sorry...I wish I had the right words for you - BlessedThistle on Sep 30, 6:24 PM
    21. I can hardly bear to imagine what you are going through - Lauranz on Sep 30, 10:56 PM
    22. Sorry to post late, wanted to share a memory - Antonialisa on Oct 1, 10:05 AM
    23. So sorry - demomone on Oct 1, 7:00 PM
    24. I am so sorry...there really are no words...I have experienced - Kacee on Oct 2, 12:38 AM
      1. Kacee I still think of your precious babes - birdy1600 on Oct 2, 5:55 PM
    25. tried to find words to say realized there are none - birdy1600 on Oct 2, 7:44 AM
    26. I am so very, very sorry. - thesameboat on Oct 2, 10:37 AM
      1. Re: I am so very, very sorry. - mary on Oct 4, 3:51 PM
     
  21. Bragging here.... View entire thread - DE mom to twins on Sep 27, 6:27 PM
    1. you have the right to be proud - thesameboat on Sep 27, 10:38 PM
    2. Oh my gosh, agree you SHOULD be so proud! - Kenny on Sep 28, 7:35 AM
    3. Wow, brag away. You must be so proud. - Margolis on Sep 28, 8:45 AM
    4. Brag away they deserve it - THK on Sep 29, 4:37 AM
     
  22. my little one turned 2 today View entire thread - keifel on Sep 26, 8:57 PM
    1. Happy birthday, little dude. nt - thesameboat on Sep 27, 1:49 AM
    2. Happy Birthday little one! - aussiehoneygirl on Sep 27, 3:11 PM
    3. Happy Birthday to your little one! nt - Kenny on Sep 28, 7:36 AM
    4. Happy birthday to your ds! Nt - Margolis on Sep 28, 8:47 AM
    5. Happy birthday - THK on Sep 29, 4:39 AM
     
  23. Just a really rough day with the big kids..... View entire thread - PAH on Sep 26, 5:38 PM
    1. Oh, my. It sounds like a war. - thesameboat on Sep 27, 1:49 AM
    2. yep it's gotta be hard with two - birdy1600 on Sep 27, 6:16 PM
    3. So sorry, I know it can be just brutal :( - Kenny on Sep 28, 7:47 AM
      1. Thanks for the peptalk. - PAH on Sep 28, 11:31 AM
     
  24. mothers of summer babies: birthday parties View entire thread - birdy1600 on Sep 26, 8:57 AM
    1. Well, I was going to suggest Silver Lake . . . - Maggie in VA on Sep 26, 10:36 AM
    2. Why is summer not good? Is everyone travelling? - thesameboat on Sep 26, 11:07 AM
    3. Twins are new year's eve babies SO... - Kenny on Sep 26, 1:39 PM
     
  25. need some feedback View entire thread - jmassage on Sep 26, 4:40 AM
    1. I'm so sorry - Renata on Sep 26, 6:33 AM
    2. my DS was a reflux baby - scubagrl on Sep 26, 7:35 AM
    3. I have a friend - birdy1600 on Sep 26, 8:59 AM
      1. here is a lengthy great feedback from my friend - birdy1600 on Sep 27, 6:54 AM
    4. Both my girls had reflux and MPS - HollyPa on Sep 27, 2:29 PM
    5. Reflux - gr8tful1 on Sep 27, 4:27 PM
     
  26. do you ever feel you want to share something cool View entire thread - birdy1600 on Sep 24, 2:04 PM
    1. Not to seem ungrateful... - Maybelline on Sep 24, 3:00 PM
      1. my husband feels far more similar to you - birdy1600 on Sep 24, 4:59 PM
    2. Not really, but... - Renata on Sep 24, 3:08 PM
    3. Yes - Kenny on Sep 25, 10:29 AM
    4. for me . . . - Julie on Sep 25, 11:42 AM
      1. yes I get that - birdy1600 on Sep 25, 1:43 PM
    5. I have just realized I never think of the donors nowadays nt - thesameboat on Sep 26, 12:11 AM
     
  27. Rash on one of twins -- suspect molluscum View entire thread - Maggie in VA on Sep 24, 11:37 AM
    1. If it is, it will suddenly spread - thesameboat on Sep 24, 12:18 PM
      1. Well, I don't know about suddenly . . . - Maggie in VA on Sep 24, 1:06 PM
    2. Both my boys had it - tigger on Sep 25, 7:31 AM
      1. Wow, I've thought about that . . . - Maggie in VA on Sep 25, 12:06 PM
    3. DS had molluscum - Maybelline on Sep 25, 9:09 PM
     
  28. advice please -- what would you want if a fellow poster thinks she has mutual friends? View entire thread - Julie on Sep 24, 10:20 AM
    1. An idea - Renata on Sep 24, 11:04 AM
    2. Hmm, I have recognized a few FB friends - thesameboat on Sep 24, 12:22 PM
    3. Thank you for your advice - Julie on Sep 26, 7:16 AM
     
  29. group reply re: MIL's death View entire thread - Renata on Sep 24, 9:41 AM
    1. you sound somewhat at peace -- that is good - Julie on Sep 24, 10:08 AM
    2. You sound as though you're handling it beautifully . . . - Maggie in VA on Sep 24, 11:40 AM
    3. you are an amazing woman - birdy1600 on Sep 24, 5:01 PM
    4. Thanks for update - Jen in TN on Sep 24, 8:48 PM
     
  30. breast pump coverage View entire thread - mary on Sep 23, 3:10 PM
    1. Not everyone covered - DeeinNYC on Sep 24, 2:53 AM
     
  31. DH's mom died today View entire thread - Renata on Sep 22, 4:18 PM
    1. I am so sorry - Jen in TN on Sep 22, 5:14 PM
      1. Thx Jen - Renata on Sep 23, 10:30 AM
    2. Very sorry, Renata - Leeba on Sep 22, 7:10 PM
      1. Sorry - demomone on Sep 22, 7:52 PM
        1. Please advise me! - Renata on Sep 22, 11:50 PM
          1. some ideas - demomone on Sep 23, 6:49 PM
      2. Thanks Leeba - Renata on Sep 23, 10:32 AM
    3. Am so sorry you're dealing with this as well - Lauranz on Sep 22, 10:56 PM
    4. I am so sorry. - thesameboat on Sep 23, 3:37 AM
      1. I agree - Renata on Sep 23, 10:21 AM
    5. I'm very sorry too - FL Gal on Sep 23, 6:00 AM
    6. Hi, just a few thoughts . . . - Maggie in VA on Sep 23, 9:04 AM
      1. Thanks Maggie - Renata on Sep 23, 10:26 AM
        1. Argh, that is tough . . . - Maggie in VA on Sep 23, 12:11 PM
    7. So very sorry - DeeinNYC on Sep 23, 9:28 AM
      1. Thank you. Dee - Renata on Sep 23, 10:27 AM
    8. I'm so sorry, Renata - Kenny on Sep 23, 10:05 AM
      1. Thanks Kenny - Renata on Sep 23, 10:28 AM
    9. So sorry to hear that - Leslie on Sep 23, 10:09 AM
      1. Thx for the hugs (nt) - Renata on Sep 23, 10:28 AM
    10. Sending you my thoughts and prayers Renata. - Margolis on Sep 23, 12:35 PM
    11. I'm so sorry for your loss - Maybelline on Sep 23, 8:21 PM
    12. My sincere condolences - Antonialisa on Sep 23, 9:14 PM
    13. Re: DH's mom died today - aussiehoneygirl on Sep 24, 4:21 AM
     
  32. circling back to legal prep and care for our children View entire thread - birdy1600 on Sep 22, 1:24 PM
    1. Any lawyer who specializes in estate planning/ wills should do a fine job I think - Kenny on Sep 22, 2:00 PM
    2. Re: circling back to legal prep and care for our children - green.elephant on Sep 22, 7:04 PM
    3. Lots of documents - Aufrecht on Sep 23, 10:03 AM
     
  33. LadyMagoo, how are things? View entire thread - Jen in TN on Sep 22, 10:50 AM
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  35. I know this sounds ungrateful and contrary..... View entire thread - Lauranz on Sep 21, 10:14 PM
    1. Laura, sweetie - thesameboat on Sep 21, 10:39 PM
      1. If you could only see my house! Lol.. - Lauranz on Sep 22, 10:22 PM
    2. Laura - demomone on Sep 22, 6:38 AM
      1. Thanks I will look into that.. - Lauranz on Sep 22, 10:24 PM
    3. Totally normal - Jen in TN on Sep 22, 9:39 AM
      1. Thanks Jen - Lauranz on Sep 22, 10:25 PM
    4. Awwww, honey - Kenny on Sep 22, 2:03 PM
      1. Yup I would like to just go to sleep.... - Lauranz on Sep 22, 10:29 PM
        1. Re: Yup I would like to just go to sleep.... - mary on Sep 23, 3:14 PM
     
  36. Stubborn as a mule! Pic enclosed View entire thread - tHK on Sep 20, 12:00 AM
    1. He's so sweet. - thesameboat on Sep 20, 12:20 AM
    2. What a cutie! nt - gr8tful1 on Sep 21, 10:43 AM
     
  37. Question about school snacks View entire thread - Funintheskies on Sep 19, 11:24 AM
    1. Re: Question about school snacks - Maybelline on Sep 19, 8:20 PM
    2. Re: Question about school snacks - FL Gal on Sep 20, 6:40 AM
      1. Thanks back. - Funintheskies on Sep 26, 10:40 AM
    3. Thanks back... - Funintheskies on Sep 26, 10:51 AM
     
  38. cross post -- pulling together a clinic matrix View entire thread - Julie on Sep 18, 12:46 PM
    1. Great idea! - Renata on Sep 18, 7:24 PM
    2. You should include South Africa... - Maya3 on Sep 19, 3:10 AM
    3. Put this clinic on the list it is where I went - tHK on Sep 19, 11:44 PM
    4. I'd also suggest - Kenny on Sep 20, 8:04 AM
     
  39. OBX meet-up -- may need to delay View entire thread - Julie on Sep 18, 7:58 AM
    1. Oh my gosh - Renata on Sep 18, 11:40 AM
      1. I would say we should all be free to plan something - Julie on Sep 18, 12:47 PM
    2. So glad your husband's OK - thesameboat on Sep 18, 12:36 PM
     
  40. Letting go of the med support at 12 weeks.....advice ? View entire thread - Al on Sep 16, 7:23 AM
    1. Are you talking about the hormone injections? - AnnaLV on Sep 16, 8:56 AM
    2. You should be totally fine by 12w - Kenny on Sep 16, 9:47 AM
      1. Re: You should be totally fine by 12w - mary on Sep 16, 12:09 PM
    3. My clinic tapered me . . . - Maggie in VA on Sep 16, 12:27 PM
    4. Sorry you are going through this - E&H on Sep 16, 5:45 PM
      1. Hi E&H ! - Al on Sep 17, 7:28 AM
    5. Thanks everyone :) - Al on Sep 17, 7:21 AM
    6. Hey Al - DeeinNYC on Sep 17, 12:53 PM
    7. From what I remember - Margolis on Sep 17, 9:14 PM
    8. I think you have a good plan - Julie on Sep 18, 7:41 AM
     
  41. Sharing sweet moments (and thoughts on DE) View entire thread - Renata on Sep 13, 1:45 PM
    1. That is so lovely. - PAH on Sep 13, 6:52 PM
    2. This made me cry (in a good way). Thank you! - Jen in TN on Sep 13, 8:06 PM
    3. As an almost first one on this BB........... - Nikki on Sep 14, 4:14 AM
    4. Beautiful - thesameboat on Sep 14, 5:24 AM
    5. So sweet.... - AnnaLV on Sep 14, 7:32 AM
    6. Sooo lovely - DeeinNYC on Sep 15, 5:59 AM
    7. So sweet! - keifel on Sep 15, 11:16 AM
    8. Awww, yes, isn't it strange? - Maggie in VA on Sep 16, 9:13 AM
    9. Love this, Renata. nt - Ariadne on Sep 16, 6:45 PM
    10. Thank you, Renata - Antonialisa on Sep 16, 10:06 PM
    11. Thanks Renata. What a sweet story. Nt - Margolis on Sep 17, 9:10 PM
    12. this was lovely - Julie on Sep 18, 7:43 AM
     
  42. preschool and kindergarten dilema View entire thread - birdy1600 on Sep 12, 2:51 PM
    1. My twins go from 8.30 until 3 pm - E&H on Sep 12, 4:39 PM
    2. yes - gr8tful1 on Sep 12, 6:46 PM
    3. If you can do it, why not? - Maya3 on Sep 12, 7:17 PM
    4. Whatever works for you... - FL Gal on Sep 12, 7:58 PM
      1. I'm thinking you should be able to find a preschool - Maggie in VA on Sep 13, 6:50 AM
    5. I'm going back to work part-time next month - thesameboat on Sep 13, 1:46 AM
    6. some of the same but I work 30 hours a week plus . . . - Julie on Sep 13, 5:23 AM
    7. I wish I could have more time with them - Renata on Sep 13, 5:24 PM
    8. Our situation - THK on Sep 15, 2:07 AM
    9. opposite problem - RJ on Sep 15, 4:39 PM
    10. Whatever works for you - and the kids - Kenny on Sep 16, 9:42 AM
      1. Ditto this - Ariadne on Sep 16, 6:44 PM
        1. good points about their readiness - Julie on Sep 18, 7:47 AM
          1. Yes, and it does not stop :( - Ariadne on Sep 18, 7:03 PM
     
 
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