Serious thread because had enough of Cypriot Donkeys

If the US gave the Iraqi Kurds the nod to declare independence and they are given the oil rich areas of Kirkuk.

How can Turkey oppose this short of military action.

North iraq would be "North Iraq Turkish Republic"

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How you gonna make it happen. Just tell Uncle Sam and your Jewish friends to getlost.

Be serious. This is on the cards. Kurdistan is the only stable bit of Iraq. The US will rather it be independent then fall into chaos.

After Montenegro, there is now a precident. I think it will be a reality by 2010.

North cyprus is in chaos? We did it before and we can do it again.

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You don't seem capable of ending the Kurdish uprising inside your own country.
What makes you think that you can succeed inside Northern Iraq?



HAVE FUN !!!

How you gonna make it happen. Just tell Uncle Sam and your Jewish friends to getlost.

Be serious. This is on the cards. Kurdistan is the only stable bit of Iraq. The US will rather it be independent then fall into chaos.

After Montenegro, there is now a precident. I think it will be a reality by 2010.

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Wait and see. Turkey will react in way which will guarantee the best for his citizens.

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You are not going to invade and I doubt a blockade of the boarder will help.

If the Kurds switch the oil route through Jordan/Isreael, even that card has gone.

so how will you protect your citizens

The Americans would never give the "green" light to the Turks to invade and take over northern Iraq to prevent the establishment of a Kurdish Republic. The only "ace" the Americans have in Iraq currently are the Kurds. A Turkish military operation in the north would only complicate things for the Americans.

""You don't seem capable of ending the Kurdish uprising inside your own country.""

in our country? They are not in Turkey actually. Militants coming from north iraq. And a possible kurdish counrty wiil force us for a huge cleaning in north iraq.

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I can see independence coming and with it, the Kurds will take chunks out of Syria, then Iran and finanlly Turkey.

Only through Turkish agitiation of the Turkomen will they gain any advantage but I doubt the US will let this happen.

""The Americans would never give the "green" light to the Turks to invade and take over northern Iraq""

we dont need "green" light from USA. And do you think USA likes kurds? And do you think when we invade
north iraq, we wont give oil to USA?

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wait for 2010.

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what ever you say

"We dont need "green" light from USA. And do you think USA likes kurds? And do you think when we invade north iraq, we wont give oil to USA?"


This is the funniest and most unrealistic statement I have ever read. Turkey dosen't need the "green" light? Are you out of your mind? First off, I think you underestimate the amount of control the American's can place on Turkey on many levels. Military (F16s, Frigates, Lokheed Martin), economic (World Bank, IMF etc), and political (UN, etc).

The Americans LOVE the Kurds at the moment. Northern Iraq is very stable compared with the rest of the country and the Kurds are working very hard to please the Americans. Whatever the Americans ask for the Kurds only reply is "YES".

The US dosen't need the Turks to give them any oil. It already controls all of Iraq and Afghanistan and all the regimes in the Persian Gulf sans Iran are friendly towards the American government. Turkey's geo-political importance in a post Saddam world has diminished greatly. The Americans are still angry at Turkey's refusal to not allow American troops to launch an offensive from Turkish soil when they invaded Iraq.

In such a case, Turkey will annexate greece

""This is the funniest and most unrealistic statement I have ever read. Turkey dosen't need the "green" light? Are you out of your mind? First off, I think you underestimate the amount of control the American's can place on Turkey on many levels. Military (F16s, Frigates, Lokheed Martin), economic (World Bank, IMF etc), and political (UN, etc).""

Was it funny in 1974?


""The Americans are still angry at Turkey's refusal to not allow American troops to launch an offensive from Turkish soil when they invaded Iraq.""

Americans is not emotional in politics. And we are not iraq, iran, syria or arabia you know. USA has control on kurds. it is right. so they dont need to give independence to kurds.



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We dont want tihs to happen but if happens we dont have much chance to oppose, do we?

Were you able to oppose when FRYOM was declared? You did but it still happened.

Quote: independent Iraqi Kurdistan

seems very independent indeed

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Burkon

Correct but we can deny FYROM EU and NATO entry.

Is there anything Turkey can do to influence a new Kurdish state and what leverage can they put on the US.

No we can shout, threathen etc but if it is decided this way, it will happen.

But this is a threat to Iraqi people more than us. It is their land being shared.

Macedons now have a country. Does this mean a threat to you? I think no, it was the problem for Yugoslavia..

BTW, Kurdish state (if happens) will be %100 bounded to US and will keep all Europens away from oil reserves in Kerkuk and Mousol.

That is why even some EU countries are oppesed to that idea before claring the sky..

Burkon

The problem for greece is historic revison plus FYROM claims on Hellenic terrortory

I do think our politicians mismanaged the FYROM issue. Fortunetly, Hellenic investment in this country gives us control.

For Turkey, an independent Kurdistan will cause internal probelms. Especially if your eu course is fruitful.

It is an issue you need to address.

Problem with Kurdish in Eastern region, they are very poor, uneducated and will definetly set sail to whoever calls them.

But on the other hand there are many well known, rich and politically strong kurdish/Turkish people that do not want to loose their positions.

A Kurdish state itself in Iraqi borders cannot be a threat to Turkey (in the sense of asking for land etc) for the next 50 to 100 years at least. They have nothing in their hands (only US support which will be limited) and Arabs hate them.. Most likely, we will be keeping an eye on Kurds to save them from arabs for the next years after the iraqi war is over.

Look at Armenia.. Supposed to be our major enemy. Do we see them as a threat? They are trying to survive in that region..

Per EU subject:

I dont care about EU. I care about Turkey to bring her level to EU standarts only. I guess this is what most of Turks think in this forum..

So when you see Turks telling we dont need EU - it in fact means we dont need to be part of organization but we want to be in your level for living standarts.

Today many EU companies are competing in Turkey to get some business including Greece. Also EU is still financing us when we need to.

So Turkey will still survive with our without EU but at least while we are on thsat path lets give up threathening each other and solve our problems.

Burkon

The Kurds are a much larger minority than the Catalans and Spain is finding hard to keep them.

The Scottish and Welsh speak English but they understand that they are different

If Turkey gains EU entry, the Kurdish voice will grow.

Furthermore, it will suit the likes of France and Germany to see a smaller Turkish state if you join the EU

If the Turkish establishment did not see this as a problem, they would not talk about it

As was mentioned, nothern part of Iraq is the only stable region. Why would US risk it with "Kurdistan"? It would definetly destablize the region in ways no one can control or imagine. US would not want an enemy such as Turkey. This is not a threat, but strategically, it would not make sense...

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Burkon

Where economic development happens, democratic and educational development follows.

In or out of the EU, the Kurds of Turkey will gain a voice.

It is part of your social evolution. Otherwise, if only economic development could hold the fabrics of a nation today, how about Czeckoslavkia.

"As was mentioned, nothern part of Iraq is the only stable region. Why would US risk it with "Kurdistan"? "

I agree it makes no sense but still our Greek friends think that may happen.
Anyways Iraqi government is being led by a Kurd now. This only increase the hatred of Arabs against them. I still think that if Turks and US dont keep an eye on Kurds, Arabs will vanish them from their chairs..

Right now they are acting as puppets and let them be..

EU should not be the reason for such helps to Kurds.
Millions of dollars are still being invested in Western Turkey but nothing to East - because of terror. Who would want to build a factory if he knows it is going to be bombed by PKK? They are threathening businessmen.

Also, there are as many Turks as Kurds living in same situation on same land.. They are all mixed up except in some border cities or towns.

This is a problem of humanism not a Kurdish / Turkish issue. We need to take care of them and currently we are not (not able to) doing that.

The Kurds of Iraq do not care about the feelings of the Arabs and if the attacks in the Sunni Triangle continue, the quicker the realisation of a Kurdistan state

"The Kurds of Iraq do not care about the feelings of the Arabs and if the attacks in the Sunni Triangle continue, the quicker the realisation of a Kurdistan state "

You have to consider the Arab and Kurd population in Iraq before claiming that. US has no intention to break its ties with Arabs in that region. They already did that and now trying to patch up. This idea wont work in today's situation.

If the US cared about the Arabs, they would have sorted out Palestine.

All the USA cares about is Israel and the oil

If Turkey enters the EU, Turkish Kurds will be more than happy to remain the citizens of this country and carry EU passports.

They will have the luxury to put a "Bentley" badge on the hood of a Trabant; which is more or less equivalent to the notion of Kurds as EU citizens (realistically speaking, and not racistically)

If "Turkish Kurdistan" becomes independent, it will become one of the backward landlocked states in that region (similar to Armenia, but much worse thanks to the extra backwardness brought by Islamic fundamentalism). No NATO membership, no EU membership, never-ending internal fights between chief clans and "Aghas" who have ruled those lands for centuries.

Sublime

I respect you but you need to understand with economic benefits comes politcal liberation

US dont even care about Israel. Israeli Americans care about themsleves.

US cares about keeping a presence in that region and they realized they cannot continue pissing of Arabs. Look at France, they even support %100 arabs as they know kurds will be a treat for them as control will be in US hands.

Kurds or Arabs do not differ for them. But Kurds are too weak to be an US long term ally in that region.

"Turkish Kurdistan" cannot happen.

They dont even have a home now how can they claim a government in Turkey's territory. Not in this century for sure.

This is beyond realism.

US dont even care about Israel. Israeli Americans care about themsleves.

Burkon

What are you saying. The Jews control America. Infact, they control Europe.

Quote: I respect you but you need to understand with economic benefits comes politcal liberation

As long as it includes the "liberation" of "Turkish" metropolises like Istanbul, Izmir, Ankara, Antalya, etc. from the Kurds (i.e. less crime, less poverty) I'm not against it.

"We" will also be the ones to be "liberated" - not just them.

"The Jews control America. Infact, they control Europe."

Agree, US-citizen jews I meant. But we cannot just tell this is a general US security policy.

By law, they first need to take care of US rights not Israeli rights.
Reality can be different but all of us know the real story anyways..

Burkon

US policy = Israel policy

The one issue you have not mention is the Christian right in the US. They are very pro Israel and at the moment unfortunetley are a major voice.

They are pro Israel as they are told so in news 7/24.

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"Liberation", yes, but "whose" liberation?

Whose "further poverty and isolation"?

Damn it's been 2 years I havent been to Turkey... Seeing these pics, I should start counting the days..

Quote: US policy = Israel policy

As in the case of USS Liberty?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

I think HAB meant US policy sets Isreal policy in region as US is being mainly controlled by Jews.

All peace discussions and meetins with palestines were arranged by the push of US and physically in US.

SP

I know the story. It only proves that even if Israel bombs the US, they will still support them.

This was not an intended bombing as we are all aware.

To a certain point - not indefinitely.

Many Americans still have anti-Israel sentiments because of this incident:

http://www.ussliberty.com

http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty

http://www.usslibertyinquiry.com

Jews own important companies in the U.S., but the Yanks are essentially W.A.S.P.

SP

Do you see in the next tow elections an anti Jewish preseident coming to power because I don't.

If anything, last weeks meeting in Washington just reinforced the bias Israeli policy the US has.

Greece, Turkey and the Kurds are just pawns of the Jews and Yanks. The quicker we realise this the quicker we take charge of our own affairs.

Regular Americans - 80% of population - do not follow these articles. They have no clue about what is going on in world..

Burkon

Well said, the American public for all the access they have to the news are very uninformed.

Jews financially support democrats as well as republicans. Whoever comes to government will support Jews in their long term policies. This is inevitable.

turks are realy brown...

"Greece, Turkey and the Kurds are just pawns of the Jews and Yanks. The quicker we realise this the quicker we take charge of our own affairs."

We all know that - politicians should wake up but they are also being brought to these positions by them. Who will you complain for that?

Ok Burkon

We agree we are all pawn of the US. I still think you will have much bigger issues with the Kurds.

Anyway, time will tell.

Yes indeed. This week 4 soldiers were killed stepping on land mine. They (PKK) put land mine in our own country. Should we laugh or should we cry??

You should recognise there is a problem and take steps to solve it.

Quote: Damn it's been 2 years I havent been to Turkey... Seeing these pics, I should start counting the days...

Here's a picture from today showing the opening of Istanbul Canyon:



It's the building in the rear with lights

Owned by Eczacibasi Group

http://www.eczacibasi.com.tr

The shopping mall section brings many new brands, including the first Barnes&Noble bookstore which is the most important one for me.

Details of the project:













Design: The Jerde Partnership (Los Angeles)

Project Management: Arup Associates (London)

Where is it located?

Is this close to levent or zincirlikuyu?

Right next to Metrocity in Levent, on Büyükdere Avenue

nice.. does the interior really look like the ones seen on these pictures?

Turkish Prime Minister Joins Celebrations as Istanbul Unveils Its Vision of 21st Century Living

LONDON--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 29, 2006--

It isn't every day that a country's Prime Minister turns up to open a new shopping and residential development but tomorrow, Tuesday 30 May, at 15:00 hrs, the Turkish Premier, His Excellency Recep Tayyip Erdogan lends his support to the inauguration of Kanyon, a 'city within a city' in Levent, Istanbul.

The $200 million development is a clear indication of the face of modern Turkey. This combined with the recent announcement that seminal architect Zaha Hadid has won the international competition to work on a new master plan for the city shows Turkey's determination to bring Istanbul to the fore among the world's cities.

Indeed, Kanyon is no ordinary development. Its creators have set themselves the not inconsiderable task of redefining urban living for modern Istanbul. A fusion of 179 residential apartments, a 26 story office block and nearly 40,000square meters of retail space. With its opening today, Istanbul has gained a vibrant new destination neighbourhood in the city.

Kanyon combines its luxury residences, local and upscale retailers and state-of-the-art offices in an organic, open-air design that includes an amphitheatre, plazas and rooftop park spaces where workers, residents and visitors can gather. The unique design, which is distinct from Istanbul's many mixed-use districts and enclosed shopping malls, has helped attract stylish residents and many well-known retail brands that are new to Turkey.

Kanyon is a partnership between the Eczacibasi Holding Company and IS Real Estate Investment Trust, a division of Isbank, two of Turkey's largest and most important companies.

Markus Lehto, Managing Director of Kanyon says:

'Kanyon is the result of many years' hard work and the great vision of IS Real Estate Investment Co. and Eczacibai. It is a totally new approach to mixed use development, putting the needs of humans before everything else. For the retail area, natural light, green space, high-touch design, cutting edge local and global brands, all combine in a streetscape setting and create a truly magical environment, offering both locals and visitors a chance to experience something unique and memorable.'

The designers for Kanyon are the Jerde Partnership the world's leading 'experiential' architectural practice and creators of such awe inspiring Japanese schemes as Roppongi Hills, Tokyo and Canal City, Fukuoka. Together with Turkey's leading architectural practice Tabanlioglu and world renowned ARUP engineering, Kanyon stands out as a one of a kind project in the West.

Kanyon is a bold and visionary development that sets new benchmarks for the modern international city and is a clear indication of Turkey's progress as it strengthens its position as a major centre for tourism, commerce and the arts.

A kurdish state in iraq would be a horrow for the Turkish nationalists. They are very afraid of the kurds, that could balkanize whole turkey. That´s why they are so nervous.

H.A.B,

Would you agree that a "Kurdistan" would not be possible without the OK of surronding nations, ie Turkey? In the end, US will leave the area and "Kurdistan" will be left behind...if it was without the blessing of Turkey for example, they will be left in a very hostile environment...Ties between US, and Turkey would be severely damaged...Turkish-Israelie ties would also be damaged. I doubt very much that US could use another hostile nation in the region, let alone a nation like Turkey, thus the blessings of surrounding nations will be impt. imo...

As for the map of it, there is no chance it would grow outside of Iraq. Can you see any nation willingly giving up any land? And Kurds do not have the power to take it forcefully...Yanks won't put their life on the line for it either.

As for the reaction of Turkey, since it would happen with her blessing, the relationship with the new state would be a good one...one that would benefit both sides, Turkey taking on a big brother role for the Kurds with investments and helping hand. Believe it or not, the reality is the Kurds are not the problem they are tried to be made into for Turkey. Turkey has many times looked out for the Kurds in Iraq as well.

With Turkey's EU bid, the independence issue loses more ground...Economical progress brings about the best in people, not the worst. If Turkey gets in the EU, there is no way a Kurd living Turkey would move to Kurdistan, or would want to carve out Kursdistan out of EU nation...(not that it is possible).

To sum it up, what ever will happen will be good for Turkey. US would not trade Turkey for Kurdistan...US currently enjoy the support of Turkey on issues like Iran/Syria/Iraq/Israel. All these nations know that and act occordingly. A hostile Turkey would not be the best strategy for US...Agreed US can pull a lot of strings and control Turkey, but at a point of nothing to lose, does any of that matter? Kurdistan without the blessing of Turkey just might be the point of nothing to lose.

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Have a look on the balkans and on the former soviet union and now tell me what is more realistic: to think that there will be a suppression of the kurds for ever or some time a kurdish state/autonomy?


when turkey comes into the EU as democratic country then there will be a strongly autonomous kurdistan in turkey with kurdish language, kurdish schools etc. etc. and that all within turkey.

The turkish children will also learn kurdish in school as the children in belgium are learning french and hollandish.

That is a horror for most turks. And may the turks will start a civil war like in serbia and the UN will bomb you turks!

Do you really believe that you can suppress the kurds for ever? Especially when you are in the EU?

So look into the world what happens and tell me what is more realistic?

WhiteSoldier...sure...ok...Oh, and the Turks in Greece...can't supress them forever you know. The UN will bomb all host nations who attempt to stop it anyways.

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Be serious now, I didn´t spoke anout the other 50 nationalities in turkey (especially arabs and lazes). I know they are too small less than 1-2 % of the population.

When you would declare autonomy for all small minorities of 100.000 people then turkey would look like a hollandish cheese.

But with the kurds it is something else...

And Greece is a democracy, the turks there go to a turkish school, and what is with those 50 nationalities in turkey? Are there schools with another language than turkish? No
So be carefull with your arguments.

Immigrant

The Kurds make up the largest ethnic block in one area of Turkey and they number in the millions.

The muslims of Hellenic Thrace have equal like other Hellenic citiizen, including to speak and learn Turkish and pray to which ever god they beleive in.

The Muslims are infact a small population making up the size of a small town.

The Kurds as I mentioned are a large population with rights denied. The eu will know doubt embolden the desire of Turkeys Kurds for some kind of automoy because if there are to be economic benefits of joining the eu, who is better placed to fight for the Kurds, Ankara or Diyabikir (sorry for the spelling)

Let the kurdish children go to kurdish schools.

What is the problem with it. Turkey is a nation with two main nationalities.

May be you can think about renaming turkey into


"Turkish-Kurdish democratic republic" or

"Turko-kurdia"

You had the Austro Hungarian Empire. You have the United Kingdom.

If I was the Turkish Government, I would give a little now as this may stop demands for a lot taken tomorrow.

@NCR, no glass broken

Informally there is Kurdish state in N.Iraq,but they cant not declare a former one,both Iran and Turkey againts it,and of course you can say that if Kurds give a **** to that permision?Well socially no,but technically the existence of a Kurdish state in N.Iraq depends on the positive relation between Turkey and Iran.If kurds do not provide a honest neighbourhood to Turkey and Iran,I m sure that both of these countries couldnt stand any longer to watch this.And recently US playing a very dangerous game with Turkey playing its kurdish trump card against us.
And inside Turkey also kurds really force the patience of Turkish(this is not a race issue ,of course Kurds re Turkish citizen too but I did mention the rebel ones) people very much,which ll cause a total exclude of kurdish people from society which may be cause civil war in south east and can ended with migration.But of course this is an extrem case scenario,and no one let this thing happen except kurdish nationalist who re working for foreign forces not for their people,these people trying to break up the historical relations with Kurdish people,they re responsible of the deaths of their own people.I m also very sad to us word "their people" but the situation in south east of Turkey exists in this perspective.

But with the social education and with the social reforms in south east it can elevate the current situation.Turks and Kurds sheded their bloods together in the history,and I m sure that with a little bit mutual perspective share we can resolve this issue.

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JeuneTurk brother,you can also contribute your opinion about the subject,he just asked how ll be our reaction to this possible situation,we all talk about this very often,there is no harm to share our opinions with the other forumers in here.

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Question

Are there any ethnic Kurds amongst the Turkish Group.

HAB,

I am just curious as to why EU and democracy unites other nations while dividing Turkey...With your argument, US is in big trouble as their minoties numbers, with blacks and hispanics alone is pushing 100 million. There is so much democracy in US, they will definetly start the autonomy process, which would eventually lead to independence.

As for the schools issue, the greatest democracy in the world, US does not allow education in any other language other than English...People can learn/speak their language, but education is in English...by law. TV and radios can also be in different languages...It is no different in Turkey today. I do not agree that a person should be allowed to go to school in their own native tounge, be it a Turk in Germany or a Greek in Turkey. Whether it is being allowed in other states is not a matter for Turkey, as Turkey would practice democracy on her own terms and realities and as long as it meets the "standards", it is ok. There is this big push to make the "Kurds" a big problem in Turkey, but the fact is, an overwhelming majority of them are happy where they are. Once again, democracy and economic progress brings out the best in people...not the worst. EU is in no place to make such a demand that Kurds and etc. be given autonomy. It would hit a brick wall.

My point was that while "Kurdistan" is very likely, there is no way it would include any land from surronding states, especially Turkey, ever. Any movement for that purpose would be dealth with very strongly, just like any other nation would do. My answer to your original question was it would have had to get Turkey's blessing and thus Turkey's reaction would be friendly.

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Oh come on, you are comparing turkey with US?
In the US the Hispanics are immigrants. I don´t want the turks to have schools for their tourists.


We are talking about a large part of the population of around 15 Mio people, that lives sinc 4000 years there!!!!


Every democratic countery in the world gives such large minorities either an own state or schools in their language.

For example the indians in the US have a strong autonomy.

With your argument the greek in cyprus have to foprbid the turks to be teached in turkish.


Guys why don´t youi give up and do it like all the democratic states in Europe. Give those kurds their rights let them have their autonomy/state and you will see, that this will bring many advanatges to you turks.

You will live in good wealth as other European countries.

With your argument the greek in cyprus have to foprbid the turks to be teached in turkish.


The man has a point.

I just feel that you are fighting a losing battle and I do not militarily but for the hearts ans minds of your Kurdish citizens.

By denying them rights, they will only demand what they cannot have. It's human nation.

Turkey should go with the flow of least resistance and grant the Kurds freedoms. I am sure if Turkey does grow within the eu then the Kurds will grow with you.

Greek Cypriots can and should ban education in Turkish...It would be the equivalent of Turkey banning of education in Greek in Greece...Turks are getting their education in Turkish in TRNC. You think a ban would change that? It doesn't make sense. There is no solution to the problem on the island yet and Greeks are assuming they can decide and govern the Turkish side. More power to you. If a solution is to come out, it would give both sides equal representation, thus Cyprus would have two official languages, Greek and Turkish...how can you ban the one or the other? But, this is not about cyprus.

White, if we are to go back in history and determine "rights" based on that, a lot of nations would move around and alot of peoples would be entitled to alot of rights they currently dont have. Anyways, this is all I have to say about this...

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So you are saying that the Turkish Cypriots, a minority should have the same rights as the Greek Cypriots.

OK, I agree to that if you give the Kurds equal representation in your grand assembly plus a veto on all constituntional issues.

HAB,

Are you saying Turkey and Cyprus is in the same boat? Turkey, a sovereign, established nation with defined borders...and...Cyprus, who is currently going thru UN/EU/US for a resolution to her problems with the two recognized/established very clearly defined sides? OK...

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Cyprus is a soverign established nation with defined borders.

So yes, what is the difference.

LOL immigrant is funny with his arguments.

What would turkey do when the kurds take over let´s say 37 % of turkish territory, expelling the turk majority there by force and would declare an independant state, that is not regognized by anyone in the wourld, except iraq?


And that is exactly what happens in cyprus. But the difference is, that in cyprus were only about 100.000 turkish cypriots spreaded all over the island.

But there are 15 Mill kurds in turkey and there are large parts with kurdish majority of over 90 %.


But you will see, you never get rid of the kurdish problem. It will hunt you turkish nationalists day and night. And the kurdish power increases from day to day.

...Turkos? Do you think you will get problems if the Kurds get an indepedent state in southern Kurdistan? You will have then occupied Northern and Middle Kurdistan, like Cyprus. So your Problem indeed is to let your 25. Mio. (25.000.000) Kurds not thinking to do the same as in southern Kurdistan. That is your Problem, but you should have it awaited after the violent occupation of Kurdistan. So f**** off you Turkos, you are only about 20.000.000 in the so called Turkey, the rest are muslim greeks and armenians, alevite, slavs and Kurds. And where is your Saddam? Özgok?

Cyprus, who is currently going thru UN/EU/US for a resolution to her problems with the two recognized/established very clearly defined sides? OK...
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When did this happen? Some people in here , are really dreaming.
Read Helenos reply, he said it well.

cheers,
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WhiteSoldier

"LOL immigrant is funny with his arguments."
u too

"What would turkey do when the kurds take over let´s say 37 % of turkish territory, expelling the turk majority there by force and would declare an independant state, that is not regognized by anyone in the wourld, except iraq?"
this will never happen u know
noone just declare state even has population majority in the area
and u said by force what force theres an army in s.eastern Anadolu except TSK we dont know

u only wish this is happen but dont forget not all of kurds living in s.east
many of them scattered all of Anadolu and ım sure u they are very pleased

"And that is exactly what happens in cyprus. But the difference is, that in cyprus were only about 100.000 turkish cypriots spreaded all over the island.

But there are 15 Mill kurds in turkey and there are large parts with kurdish majority of over 90 %."

and what is total population of the island?
Turkey has population of more than 70 million 15 million against 55 million
they have no chance even they gather all kurds in the area


"But you will see, you never get rid of the kurdish problem. It will hunt you turkish nationalists day and night. And the kurdish power increases from day to day."
u hope so
there is no problem with kurd Turkish citizens dont worry
and dont forget last time someone try to invade our country was 1920s
u may ask greecians what was it ended

u r talking declaring some parts of our country as a kurdistan like it is so simple but in real world things are a little different so next time post realities not ur dreams/wishes
if someone have ideas like this he better have
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M. A. ERSOY
http://www.greekmurderers.net/

Do the greeks rule the turks? NO
Does the world recognise a status quo of two clearly defined "sides"? YES
Is there a initiative in the EU to resolve the issues? YES
Is there a UN initiative to resolve the issue? YES

Now, if you still think Turkey and Cyprus can be compared on those terms or ANY other terms, I see your point of view very clearly. Thats all for this topic for me.



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"Do the greeks rule the turks? NO
Does the world recognise a status quo of two clearly defined "sides"? YES
Is there a initiative in the EU to resolve the issues? YES
Is there a UN initiative to resolve the issue? YES

Now, if you still think Turkey and Cyprus can be compared on those terms or ANY other terms, I see your point of view very clearly. Thats all for this topic for me."

Kurdish issue:

Do the turks rule greeks? NO
Does the world recognise a status quo of two clearly defined populations "sides"in turkey? YES
Is there a initiative in the EU to resolve the issue? YES
Is there a UN initiative to resolve the issue? YES

Now, if you do not think Turkey and Cyprus can be compared on those terms or ANY other terms, I see your point of view very clearly.

ROFLMAO.

ok ok...really..i am done...

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@immigrant:

Here you see what the kurds think about their situation in turkey:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwIWLuFfpJQ&search=kurds



In the last part they show how they destroy one of your military trucks.

So don´t tell me now this are just a few terrorists.

If you think that there are over 18 million kurds living in Turkey, there are a few terrorists.
And believe me, te majority of the Kurds in Turkey, who are muslim by the way, dont support the leninist PKK.

Do you want more? O.k. here is it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tysabtlMXk0&search=kurds

(Login MASTER_X9)


North iraq would be "North Iraq Turkish Republic"

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after 6 years turkos have eaten their sheet
now they preper for the syrian kurdistan

muahahahaaa



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""Maniots, known for their martial qualities, were the first to join the Greek liberation movement. The society called the Filiki Eteria ("Company of Friends") sent their representatives Perrevos and Chrisospathis to organize the Maniots. On March 17, 1821, 12,000 Maniots gathered in the church of Taxiarchs (Archangels) of Areopoli and declared war against the Ottoman Empire. The flag of the revolution was white with a blue cross in the center. On top of the flag there was a sign, "Victory or death". The Maniots were responsible for writing "Victory" and not "Freedom" on their banner since Mani was always free. On the bottom of the flag lied an ancient inscription, "With the shield or on the shield."
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