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Constantinople will never fall in the souls of Hellenes

September 26 2007 at 9:12 PM
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On 29 May 1453, Black Tuesday, Constantinople fell. The Emperor Constantine XI Palaeologus died as a hero, refusing treasures and lands offered by the enemy. Constantinos, a national martyr, is the subject of myths by the greek people. Stories have been told of the Marble Emperor where Constantinos is said to have been rescued by an Angel and that he will sleep until he returns to chase the Turks from Constantinople to the Red Apple Tree "Kokkini Milia".

"I sent two birds to the red apple tree, of which the legends speak. One was killed, the other was hurt, and they never came back to me. Of the marble emperor there is no word, no talk. But grandmothers sing about him to the children like a fairy tale. I sent two birds, two house martins, to the red apple tree. But there they stayed and became a dream.. "

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"God forbid that I should live an Emperor without an Empire. As my city falls, I will fall with it.
Whoever wished to escape, let him save himself if he can; and whoever is ready to face death, let him follow me!"

The Crescent and the Cross by David Dereksen
"Constantine told his hearers that the great assault was about to begin. To his Greek subjects he said that a man should always be ready to die for his faith or for his country or for his family or for his sovereign. Now his people must be prepared to die for all four causes. He spoke of the glories and the high traditions of the great imperial city. He spoke of the perfidy of the infidel Sultan who had provoked the war in order to destroy the true faith and to put his false prophet in the seat of Christ. He urged them to remember that they were the descendants of the heroes of ancient Greece and Rome and to be worthy of their ancestors. For his part, he said, he was ready to die for his faith, his city, and his people. He then turned to the Italians, thanking them for the great services that they had rendered and telling of his trust in them for the fighting that was to come. He begged them all, Greeks and Italians alike, not to fear the vast numbers of the enemy and the barbarous devices of fires and of noise designed to alarm them. Let their spirits be high; let them be brave and steadfast. With the help of God they would be victorious."

From Steven Runciman's the Fall of Constantinople 1453
The fall of Constantinople has left in the hearts of Greeks bitterness for the betrayal of the Europeans "Latins". Greeks were betrayed in 1204 with the sack of their capital, in 1453 when Europeans refused to help the Orthodox-Christians in their struggle for survival, in 1922 when the genocide of christians took place in Anatolia Mikra Asia, in 1955 when the last Greeks were forced to leave their fatherland. If Vienne had fallen to Ottomans in 16th century, the attitude of Europeans to Turks would be different. If their women were taken in harems, if their children had become jenissars, if they worked as slaves in the fields or were sold in slavebazzars of Anatolia, or their churches were converted to mosques, Europeans would have different policy towards Turkey. Still in the end of 20th century, Turkey has invaded another nation, Cyprus, and caused the death to 20000 humans and the exodus of their homes of 200000 Cypriots. Could anyone imagine France to attack Belgium? Impossible even to think about it. But Turkey, a state that US and England want to be part of Europe, has done.

"Mehmet was said to have sent himself four hundred Greek children as a gift to each of the leading Moslem potentates of the time, the Sultan of Egypt, the King of Tunis, and the King of Grenada. Many Greek families were never to be reunited."

From the Fall of Constantinople 1453 by Steven Runciman
"As soon as the Turks were inside the city, they began to seize and enslave every person who came their way; all those who tried to offer resistance were put to the sword. In many places the ground could not be seen, as it was covered by heaps of corpses. There were unprecedented events; all sorts of lamentations, countless rows of slaves consisting of noble ladies, virgins, and nuns, who were being dragged by the Turks by their headgear, hair, and braids out of the shelter of Churches, to the accompaniment of mourning. There was the crying of children, the looting of our sacred and holy buildings. What horror can such sounds cause!
Our greatest and holiest Church of Saint Sophia, the earthly heaven, the throne of God's glory, the vehicle of the cherubim and second firmament, God's creation, such edifice and monument, the joy of all earth, the beautiful and more beautiful than the beautiful became a place of feasting; its inner sanctum was turned into a dining room, its holy altars supported food and wine, and were also employed in the enactment of their perversions with our women, virgins, and children"

The Fall of the Byzantine Empire, A chronicle by George Sphrantzes translated by Marios Phillipides
"Breaking down the doors with axes, the Turks entered the Church and dragged the fugitives off to slavery. Two by two, the men were tied together with cords, the women with belts, without consideration for age or station. Scenes of indescribable horror ensued. The statues of sainst were shorn of their jewels and smashed. The gold and silver Church vessels were seized, the altar cloths used for caparisons. Topped with a Janissary's cap, the crucifix was paraded in mockery. The conquerors used the altars as tables; when they themselves had finished eating on them, they turned them over to the horses for feed troughs or used them as beds on which to assault boys and girls".

The Turks in Aghia Sophia from Mehmet the Conqueror and his time by Franz Babinger
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The first Exodus of Greeks from their Polis happened in 1453 and the second Exodus would take place 500 years later. The Greeks of Constantinople - Romeos had never provoked the Ottoman state. They obeyed the sultan and had never created troubles. Nevertheless, they were considered second class citizens rayas or giaour, and many times during the Ottoman occupation had fallen victims of the brutality of the state. Some examples are the executions in 1554, of the monk Nikolaos who was burnt alive at Constantinople, in 1638 the Patriarch of Constantinople, Cyrillos Loukaris was beheaded by sultan Murat IV. Patriarch Cyrillos Kontares was strangled in 1639. In 1650, Patriarch Parthenios was also strangled. Patriarch Parthenios III was beheaded in 1657. In 1676 the monk Gavriel was beheaded, in 1681 Neomartyr Damaskenos was also beheaded in front of Patriarchate. 1694, monk Romanos from Euvrutania was murdered. In 1720 monk Auxentios was beheaded by the sultan. In 1784, the monk Demetrios was killed at Galata. The most tragic was the execution of thousands Constantinopolitans who were massacred, in 1821. Their Patriarch Gregorius was hung at the middle gate of Patriarchate in Phanari. Since then this gate remains closed. In 1822 a former Patriarch Cyrillos was hung in Adnrianople This brutal attitude continued even in our days, in the end of 20th century.

After the genocide of 1914-1922, and the destruction of Mikra Asia (Minor Asia) Greece and Turkey exchanged their populations and signed, in July 1923, the Treaty of Lausanne. According to the provisions of this treaty, 200 thousands Greeks were recognized as a minority and Turkey should respect their property and their human and religious rights and also their right to stay in their place of birth (Constantinople, Imvros, Tenedos). This was the result not only of the Lausanne Treaty but also of the Greek-Turkish Conventions signed on July and October of 1930. Greece should respect the rights of the 100 thousands muslims of Thrace.

However, Turkey did her best to eradicate the Greek minority of Istanbul. She used all the means for this purpose. During the WWII, Turkey refused to fight for the democratic world, remained neutral and forced all Greeks between 18 and 45 years of age to work in special labor camps in the depths of Anatolia. These men were to be exterminated if the Russians hadn't won the crucial battle of Stalingrad, when the Turks realized that their strong friend Germany was not going to be the winner of the war. Furthermore, in November 1942, Ankara put into force the notorious "Varlik vergisi" Law imposing a wealth tax on property. This law was imposed only to the non-Moslem minorities. As a result, the Greeks were forced to liquidate all their property, but since even so they were not able to meet the imposed obligations, they were uprooted from their homes and put to forced labor. (It should be noted that the Greek minority, although it constituted only 0,5% of the whole Turkish population, contributed 20% of the country's total income emanating from this tax). This measure was the most serious violation of the Lausanne Treaty's dispositions for the protection of minorities.

In September 1955, the turkish mob, under the direction of the Turkish authorities, conducted a vicious pogrom against the Greek Community of Constantinople. The newspaper, ISTANBUL EXPRESS (6 September 1955), had published the news of the bombing of Ataturk's birthplace in Thessaloniki, Hellas. Student protests started the same day. It developed into a nationwide response and within two days, 2600 homes, 4348 shops, 110 hotels, 21 factories, 35 schools, and 73 churches were destroyed, burnt or plundered. "Today your houses tomorrow your heads". This was the threat of the turkish mob. More than 20 people were killed and 200 women were raped. (90 year old monk at the Valoukli Monastery, Chrys. Mantas, was burned alive), and thirty two were severely wounded. Hundreds of Hellenes were tortured. Tombs and thousand year-old temples and monuments were included on their list of destruction. The Patriarchal and other Hellenic cemeteries were desecrated. The dead bodies of Patriarchs were unburied and profaned. Relics of Saints were burned. Later, it was discovered that the events had been planned by the Turkish National Intelligence Agency (MIT) and that the bomb had been planted by Oktay Engin, a MIT agent who, in 1992, was Governor of Nevsehir, a Turkish province.

In 1964 Ankara denounced the Greek-Turkish Convention of 1930 on installation, which led nearly 12,600 Greek subjects living in Istanbul to a mass expulsion while, at the same time, their properties in Turkey were frozen. In 1971 Theological Seminary of Halki (a venerated institution serving Orthodox Christianity worldwide) was shut down on arbitrary orders from Turkish authorities and also it was forbidden to Greeks to buy property in Turkey. The terror continued and the next decades when the Greek Minority has been silently witnessing desecration of its cemeteries and its holy grounds, in addition to everything else. On more than one occasions, vandals have broken into Christian cemeteries, unearthed graves and scattered human remains around. These acts of atrocity to the dead took place on specific dates: On August 1993 when many graves were destroyed in the Greek cemetery in Yenikeuy, on March 1, 1998 , 51 graves were destroyed. On July 25 of this year, 20 graves in the Christian Cemetery in Kurtulus (a densely populated central district in Istanbul ) were desecrated. A few days before that, vandals gave the same treatment to a cemetery in Kuzguncuk (a more remote location). Digging up Christian graves seems to be catching as a favorite sport for Turks. And the role of Turkish police? Well, police did not ever apprehend even one vandal -- never!

Yet another fixation of Turkey is how best to eradicate traces of Greek presence from earlier times in what is Turkey today. For example, during guided tours to sites of Classical Antiquity, the Turks have struck the word " Greece " off the dictionary. As for remnants of Byzantium (cultural heritage for the Greek Minority) they are keen on eradicating every such trace from the land. Historic monuments are bulldozed on the pretext of decongesting car traffic! While this is taking place, UNESCO grants its funds to have these monuments preserved.

The children of the Minority apparently are deprived of a fundamental right -- to obtain primary schooling in their mother tongue. In implementation of this, weekly hours for subjects taught in Greek were cut back severely; pupils are matriculated into the next grade even if they scored below the base in Greek-language classes. Apparently the Ministry could not think of anything more disastrous. The Ministry is unfolding a master plan to deprive minority youth from its mother tongue inside school premises. Conclusion: These adventures in educational matters are precisely meant to alienate Greeks from their ethnic identity, especially from their mother tongue. These ethnic cleansing practices are taking place in Europe at the dawn of the 21st. century. But not in Kossovo. The place they are taking place in is called Turkey .

Churches and "holy springs" Aghiasma are condemned and destroyed in order to widen roads or build parkways, cemeteries are vandalised, churches are robbed and many valuable holy items are stolen. An example is the demolition of the holy spring of St. Nicholas, in September 1997 and the setting of the holy spring of St. Therapon on fire with the subsequent murdering of its sexton, in December 1997. Another holy spring of the Assumption of the Virgin Mary was confiscated by the authorities, whilst efforts were being made for the demolition of the holy spring of the Birth of Virgin situated in. It should also be noted the fourth breaking into the church of St. Nicholas in the area of district of Phanar, with the result that many holy icons to be stolen and o Gospel, as well. On the 5th of July "anonymous people" threatened the sexton of the holy spring of the Virgin Mary (Vlachernae). He was forced to open them the door of the shrine from where the holy icons were stolen. We should also mention that the Turkish authorities have confiscated the property of the Greek - Orthodox monasteries, which are mainly situated in the Princes Islands. All the above - mentioned events take place on the threshold of the 21st century in a country which wants to be member of the European Union.

Article 40 of the Lausanne Treaty guarantees the Greek minority in Turkey the right to establish, manage and control charitable institutions. The report of CSCE Meeting of Experts on National Minorities in 1991 in Geneva spelled out fundamental rights of minorities, including the right to establish and maintain their own cultural institutions, organisations and associations. In spite of what the international treaties state, Greeks in Istanbul continue to suffer of interventions. Greek charitable institutions have neither the right to freely manage and control their property, nor to own or to sell them.

In 1935 the Turkish State passed a law which decreed that no one could any longer donate property to the charitable institutions. When the law concerning charitable institutions was put into effect, Institutions were asked to declare their properties. Until 1967, the institutions could acquire property from donations. In other words, when someone donates a property to an institution, this is registered in the cadastre, under the name of the specific institution. Since 1967 and afterwards all the property was claimed by the Turkish State. This happens because they make use of the law 106271921 "concerning retaliations". This law presents measures that could be taken by the Turkish Government as retaliation in case that a foreign country, and on the specific occasion Greece, offends or restricts the interests of Turkish citizens. So, in 1970' s, the Turkish Government proceeded to the annulment of testaments, and in this way the authorities, through legal proceedings, started the confiscation of the legacies of the minorities. At the same time, when all the institutions sell out any property legally possessed, the money is blocked in a bank account and the beneficiary receives only the interests.

In 1967 they enacted a "Charitable Foundation Law". Article 74 states that communal property founded by a group and aimed at "the enforcement of a certain race or minority" would no longer be recognised as a charitable foundation. This in fact is a typical discriminatory law and a similar one can not be found elsewhere in Europe. The same year they passed another law decreed a surtax of 5% on the income of all charitable institutions. In 1971 the Turkish Supreme Court confirmed that minorities no longer have the right to acquire new properties.

In 1974, after the judgement of a trial of the Baloukli Hospital Foundation, which is one of the most important charitable institutions of the Greek minority in Istanbul, all the possessed property after 1936, were annulled legally. As a consequence, all the properties possessed by the institutions from 1936 to 1974 were confiscated, most of it without compensation of their real value, and the worst is that compensation is demanded because all of these years this property exploited by the specific institution. The properties confiscated from Baloukli after 1974 until today amount to 132. In this way, from 1974, the declaration of properties submitted by the institutions in 1936, was considered as act of concession. But, because all the properties after 1936 did not have this act of concession started to be claimed by the Authorities. This act is not compatible neither with the law concerning legacies nor with the Civil Code.

In general, it can be claimed that in reality in Turkey there is no law which could forbid the acquisition of properties by the minority charitable institutions. But in this specific country, which desires to become a full member of the European Community, in the 21st century, there is no rule of law. In order to continue their function and maintenance all the charitable institutions, financial funds are required, which are guaranteed by the income of the legacies attached to them. If, therefore the Authorities confiscate the mentioned legacies, the function of all these institutions becomes problematic.

Today only 1000 Greeks "Romeos" live in Istanbul, while the muslim community in Thrace flourishes and counts 200000. The definite end of Greeks in Bosporus, after thousands years of presence is coming. What are doing the "sensitive", "democratic", "non-racist", "civilized","humanitarian" governments of Europe?








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September 26 2007, 10:04 PM 

Brilliant post Kallimachos... thanks a lot.

May God have mercy upon the souls of those who fell for our freedom...

Constantine Palaiologos, the last Byzantine Emperor and Prince John Gustiniani who came from Jenova with his personal guard of 2,000 Italians to assist us, fought to the bitter end as glorious leaders who do not send forth their subordinated while they stand back. May they rest in peace.

 
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September 26 2007, 11:50 PM 

Great post Kalli!

Keep up the Hellenic Spirit and always be a warrior for Hellas!


 
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September 27 2007, 1:13 AM 

soul shmoul!

We have it. You lost it!

You will never get it back!

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September 27 2007, 5:15 PM 

mundine my KARDASH...

PLZZ DONT be so much cruel...they are only poor lil kids living sweety dreams......
BTW...WE Changed name of coscostolapolos SORRY no constantinapolis as

I S T A N B U L about 5 centuries ago.....TRY THIS PLZZZZZZZ....

 
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September 27 2007, 5:26 PM 

Constantinople was not renamed 5 centuries ago. It was renamed to Istanbul in the early 20th century.

But you're a dumb Turk so it doesn't surprise a wise and learned Greek like myself that you don't know this.





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September 27 2007, 5:27 PM 

We should rename it to Comeandgetitopolus.



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September 27 2007, 5:29 PM 



Ownage Continues SINCE 1453



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"As long as the dynamic forces (the military) protecting Turkey remain in place,
no one can divide Turkey. Those who have such dreams will only wake up with
the worst of nightmares"


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Martyrs never die.. the motherland will not be divided

Damn the pkk.. damn the countries who support them










 
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September 27 2007, 5:34 PM 

Relax about the name everyone.

Things are quite simple.

Turcos call it Instabul

Greeks, no matter what you do, will ALWAYS call it Constantinople.

The world now knows it as Istanbul but the historic name is Constantinople.

So simple

 
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September 27 2007, 5:37 PM 

yes
l had said you before

1/5 greeks are not bad..

 
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September 27 2007, 5:44 PM 

Turks...why are you beating your chests about Constantinople?

An army of 150,000 against 7,000 is nothing to brag about.





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September 27 2007, 5:48 PM 



l love İ S T A N B U L...l love İ S T A N B U L...l love İ S T A N B U L...
I love İ S T A N B U L...l love İ S T A N B U L...l love İ S T A N B U L...

l love İ S T A N B U L...l love İ S T A N B U L...l love İ S T A N B U L...
I love İ S T A N B U L...l love İ S T A N B U L...l love İ S T A N B U L...



 
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September 27 2007, 5:51 PM 

"An army of 150,000 against 7,000 is nothing to brag about."


what happend to your 300 spartans spirit?

lol

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"As long as the dynamic forces (the military) protecting Turkey remain in place,
no one can divide Turkey. Those who have such dreams will only wake up with
the worst of nightmares"


Turkish Chief of General Staff YASAR BUYUKANIT
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Martyrs never die.. the motherland will not be divided

Damn the pkk.. damn the countries who support them










 
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September 27 2007, 6:02 PM 

"Today only 1000 Greeks "Romeos" live in Istanbul, while the muslim community in Thrace flourishes and counts 200000. The definite end of Greeks in Bosporus, after thousands years of presence is coming."

I thought Turks were Hellenizing?

I thought the Greek culture would sweep into Turkey and convert half the people into Greeks?

I thought you guys would come and take back Istanbul.

Looks like just the opposite is happening.


 
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September 27 2007, 7:50 PM 

The ancient name of the city is Byzantium since the founder is Byzas from Megara!

Not Constantinopolis nor Istanbul


 
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September 27 2007, 9:05 PM 

COME ON GREEKS..WE MEAN CURRENT DAY...

İ S T A N B U L ..what a nice name...

 
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September 27 2007, 10:05 PM 

thats what the persians said as well...

they had byzantium for hundreds of years.. we always get it back.



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September 27 2007, 11:52 PM 

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Constantinople will never fall in the souls of Hellenes

Souls eh? Very touching. In the meantime, 15 millions Turks are currently enjoying it with their bodies AND souls.

Na na na na na naa, ha ha ha ha ha haa!



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September 28 2007, 12:17 AM 

"15 millions Turks are currently enjoying it with their bodies AND souls. "




 
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September 28 2007, 12:33 AM 

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thats what the persians said as well...

they had byzantium for hundreds of years.. we always get it back.


Yeap, and you stay overnight and the next day lose it to some other nation. Good job Spartans! Your rivals have possessed and enjoyed the beauties of the city so much over and over again that it's not even a Greek city anymore. Nor is it funny to even talk about it. Istanbul has changed hands for the last time in 1453, and have become, permanently, a TURKISH city. Over 15 million Turks live in it now, and the population is ever rising. Admit it, you will NEVER get it back, not before pigs can fly or hell freezes. Just do us and yourselves a favor and admit it. Or we'll have to keep on prescribing these:





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September 28 2007, 12:34 AM 

I doubt most Greeks nowadays would give a sh*t about present day Constantinople, even if Turkey was to donate it to us. The place has become like a sh*thole, any attempt to demolish it and rebuild it would require so many resources, it would completely bankrupt Hellas in a year. It's the memory of Constantinople that the Hellenes are hanging onto, not the City itself. Constantinople was lost centuries ago and its memory will forever be with us. Istanbullsh*t is not Constantinople. To be equalizing the two citis is blasphemy and lack of respect.



    
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September 28 2007, 12:34 AM 

Istinpoli.... or Istanbul.... it's all greek to me.

 
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September 28 2007, 12:51 AM 

Sure, Istanbul isn't the most beautiful city in the world (some might disagree) but neither is Athens. The truth is both have a lot of beauty and history in them, and both have ugly slums. It's only natural and nothing to be ashamed of. I, as a Turk born in Istanbul, wouldn't give it up for the heavens, and you I am sure, are truly attached to Athens or wherever it is that you consider home. You don't want to take Istanbul back from the Turks? That's super. But if you do, all I am saying is that when you try, you'll face tens of millions of people protecting it to the last drop of their blood. I know that Greeks are a nation that value sacrifice and dedication to victory and I respect that. Just remember to consider that when you plan your attack as millions of Turks like myself love it just as much as you do, or might have, and will do anything to shield it from such an offense.



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September 28 2007, 1:15 AM 

SAT,

You know that you are among the few Turks, whose opinion I value. If there is a war between Greece and Turkey, Constantinople (or Istanbul if you prefer) will be a target for destruction (not occupation) for the Hellenic army, because it means a lot to the turkish state in terms of infrastructure and military assets. It will not be targetted because we will want to re-claim the Byzantine capital. The only Byzantine remnants in the City are Hagia Sophia and the Triple Walls.

The people of Hellas have kept the legends of the glorious days of Constantinople as memories. Nostalgically many of us still remember the gratitude that once was the Byzantine Empire. But that's all of it. No, personally I don't want Constantinople back because Constantinople no longer exists. In its place, there is a modern city of the turkish state, full of scy-scrappers. Apart from the buildings I mentioned and the location, there's nothing Greek left in it really.

Like I said, in case of a war, it will be targetted because of its importance, in the same sense that we could target Diyarbakir.

And indeed, neither Constantinople nor Athens are in a position to brag about beauty or aesthetics as a whole, there are nice and bad parts in both cities. I am emotionally attached to Athens, especially Egaleo district because I spent 19 years of my life there. Nonetheless, I prefer the greek island rural life. I have been stationed in Mytilene for the last 4 years, due to university studies

If it was aesthetics only to judge a city, for Greece my vote would go to Larisa and for Turkey to Smyrna (or Izmir for you).


Lastly, you've known me as a poster for a very long time, you should know that most of the offensive things I say are to respond to flamers, trolls and lowlife kiddies. Do not take my rants seriously, I do not generalize. You're a nice fellow and I'm sure that if we ever met in real life, we'd get drunken to the point of collapsing over some litres of ouzo/raki and talk about chicks, soccer etc.

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"Regarded as a great regional power, Turkey is very soon about to promote as a Super Power."

 
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korat
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Re: Constantinople will never fall in the souls of Hellenes

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September 28 2007, 7:41 AM 

Byzantine Empire was EMPİRE OF EVİL on the world in their last term.costantinople is capital of evil empire in their last term. at the beginning of Byzantine Empire history its good for living and humans but in their fallen term Byzantine Empire was putrid, king constantin govern their empire with terror over their citizen. NOT ONLY READ miyth and legands about canstantin but also how constantin became emperor and govern their small empire in their last term. read objective books about last 50 years of Byzantine Empire.

for political profit how politician assasination and killed in constantinople streets. poor people how prees by govern more taxes.
when constantin conqeurs by Turks a new start for living and liberation for civilian who line in constantinoble.

yes yuo are right greeks constantinople and İstanbul is different like white and black.

constantinople was equals terror, press over civilian in their last term
but istanbul is a new start and liberation for civilian

 
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Re: Constantinople will never fall in the souls of Hellenes

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September 28 2007, 8:28 AM 

I can't decide which of the two reasons is the one that nobody should bother with the above post: its quality of english or the quality of the message itself?

 
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korat
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Re: Constantinople will never fall in the souls of Hellenes

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September 28 2007, 9:47 AM 

kamikaze ı have fun your writings. if you dont want learn true about last term history of Byzantine Empire its your problem. not to change topic if you dont have command about topic

 
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Re: Constantinople will never fall in the souls of Hellenes

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September 28 2007, 9:48 AM 

Yeah dude, I really need to learn the truth that the occassional "Anybody" has written...

 
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Re: Constantinople will never fall in the souls of Hellenes

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September 28 2007, 10:09 AM 

Quote:
In the meantime, 15 millions Turks are currently enjoying it with their bodies


out of the 15 how many are kurds?

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cause only we (the hellenes),contrary to the barbarians we do not count the amount of our enemy in the battle.

 
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Re: Constantinople will never fall in the souls of Hellenes

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September 28 2007, 12:58 PM 

actually Greek community of Istanbul is growing again,to about 7 000.....
mainly due to influx of businessmen...
they are welcome to set up the infrastructure of the biggest Kurdish city in the world(by population)..

 
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Re: Constantinople will never fall in the souls of Hellenes

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September 28 2007, 1:13 PM 

I want to ask you some questions

why some orthodox group supportted Ottaman İstanbul conquer ?

since 1453 only two patriach execute by Ottaman empires. How many patriach execute by Byzantina emperors? 50 or a hundred or over these?

for the emperor constantin orthodoxy was nothing. he can easily turn to catholic and he want to turn it.
why fatih sultan mehmet (the conquer of İstanbul) picture and imperial order is over the orthodox patriach wall but why not emperor constantin pictures?


emperor constantin and his premises take church power from it and use it for royality. but fatih the conquerer give power it again.

yes dude the list is very long . ıthink your opinion about byzantıan empire and its kings rely on emotional ties not realism

 
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Re: Constantinople will never fall in the souls of Hellenes

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September 28 2007, 8:21 PM 

Man, your case of distortion of history and english is so high, I really cannot bother to reply.

Frankly, half of your post I cannot understand at all.


    
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