According to The Department of Immunology and Molecular Biology, H. 12 de Octubre, Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain that have complete the survey HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks , greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups.
Link of the National Center for Biotechnology Information U.S. National Library of Medicine: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...t=AbstractPlus
Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbour joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt. Also the sickle-cell anemia
or malarial-immune engrams, which the littoral Greek and African populations are medically known to share!
The Haplotypes which are shared between Greeks and Africans are E3b, and Haplotype R. Haplotype R is Eurasian in origin, and its prescence in African populations (particularly Nigeria) researchers believe represents an ancient migration into the Cameroons from Eurasia.
Haplotype E3b is found in high numbers in Berbers and Arabs (80%, 70%), in medium numbers from the Middle East to the central Mediterranean (26% in Lebanese, 22% in Greece, 14% in Macedonia), and in low numbers throughout the rest of Europe (eg. 6.2 in Germany, 2.2 % in Spanish Basques).
it might be right. all human race were black at the start but then a disease lead mutation in the skin pigments and other colors occurred. they might be only "blacks" who was affected by mutation.
I have been in many places of the world...Greece, Italy, France, United States, Costa Rica, Tunisia, Dominican Republic, England, Holland, Germany, Switzerland.
No one has ever mistaken me for a black or a mixed black man, but looking at your picture I'm certain everyone would recognize you as a TurkoAlbanian monkey immediately.
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So far what i can tell is Kallipichos is certainly not 100% Greek, his too dark and Arab look-a-like to have Ancient Greek blood running through him and having green eyes only doesn't help his gene pool either since many many Arabs have green eyes as well. His background would defiantly consist of Arabic or Ethiopian background. Nostos however looks 100% Gayreek to me.. Today Greek genepool is bastardised with Albanian and Turks blood in them..
There's some folks in here who speculate Anatolian folks to have dark features which isn't true. I'm originally from Central Anatolia and we've been so for couple hundred years at least and i can vouch that most Anatolians are mostly people of light/fair features. We have blond blue eyes in our family, bro's have dark blond/light brown hairs with hazel eyes and sisters have blond hairs with blue eyes and brown as well. Nevertheless, we're all fair skin people. Our features stretches all the way to our mother, uncles, aunties, grand paps and grand mothers. I have seven aunties four of them with hazel eyes and two have a darker skin tone albeit having the same mother and father, genetics some times works in weird ways. Also have 4 uncles, two of them have hazel eyes and one has blue, the other brown. All light haired with fair skin tone.. In conclusion, being Anatolian doesnt mean having negroid features and most Anatolians or Central Anatolians for that matter have light features.
Anatolian Turks also have big families
Having living in Anglo country you get the odd people of different backgrounds (mostly Italians, Balkans, Gayreek) ask you what nationality you are since they recognize your features as one of their own and when replied by saying Turkish, you get a usual reply of "really" and you answer with "ya really" then receive a response with "i was thinking more along the lines of Italian or Gayreek at first" therefore you reply with "Huh, Gayreek? I gather you haven't met much Gayreeks in your life, they're mostly hairy dark gypsies"
The reason is GayWolf that Greek blood is flowing through your veins since you're probably the product of a weak traitorous convert, whereas my ancestors preferred to eat tree bark soup or starve than to be cheap sell-outs like your gypsy family.
No one has ever ever thought of me as Middle Eastern. About 80% its Italian, 10% Greek, 10% French, 1 time Croat, and 1 time Hungarian.
It's okay though tellak. We understand your dilemma. You look in the mirror and you see a Greek or Roman. You walk on the streets of Turkey and all you see are gypsy looking Anatolians. Yet, you try to convince yourself you are a "pure Turk".
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Emperors of the Romans, Vandals, and all of Anatolia.
This guy is a Azeri Turk in Iran Most of the whites you see in Iran are in fact Azeri Turks. The true Aryans in Iran are Turks
What a load of trash. Azeris in Iran are genetically anything but Turkic. They are related with other Caucasians and the rest of Iran. They just happen to speak Turkish very much like you Turks happen to speak Turkish with all the Greek, Persian, Kurdish and Armenian genes you carry and yet deny to have.
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Stop fighting over that whiteness issue. This turns into a sickness with times. In Izmir (very mixed with Albanians, Bosnians etc.), people hate Kurds because they find them "dark", while the Central Anatolian Turks hate Kurds for a Pan-Turkist goal
Skin colour map:
Greece and Turkey seem same.
Except North east coast of Turkiye.
I'm from North-east of Turkey (vilayet of Giresun - rum "Kerasounta).
I easily pass as Bulgaria or Italian but in Giresun, I'm more dark than average.
Our girls are the nicest fine shining white legs.
hmmmmmmm...