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(Aselsan-MKEK-FNSS) SPAAG project...

June 23 2009 at 6:39 PM
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cabatli_53  (Login cabatli_53)
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Turkish SPAAG project... (Aselsan-MKEK-FNSS)

42 item Armed vehicles,
14 item Command-Control vehicles will be developed in Aselsan institues indigenously.

-Indigenous SPAAG will carry 2 Oerlikon 35mm gun at the tower of vehicle. Every Command-Control vehicles capable to direct 3 armed SPAAG vehicles.

-Armed Veicles will carry Aselsan-made Tracking (Fire-Control) radar and electro-optic sensors in addition to 2 Oerlikon 35mm guns.

-Command-Control Vehicles will carry Reconnaissance radar to create air pictures to direct armed vehicles towards the target automatically... Aselsan made HeIRKSS command-control and communication software system will also direct all SPAAG system in addition to all air defence platforms which was integrated same software system. Armed SPAAG's will capable to work with different different radar systems involved in HeIRKSS system.

-Sub-contactor MKEK Cansas will produce Oerlikon 35mm gun with AHEAD technology which is cooperated with Aselsan.
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-Subcontactor FNSS will provide carriage vehicles, ACV-S Akinci...
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Pathfinder
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June 23 2009, 6:42 PM 

Very important system I believe, SPAAG meaning like for example South Korean K30 vehicle?

 
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June 23 2009, 6:43 PM 

Search and Fire Control radar for future air defence projects of Turkey...

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June 23 2009, 6:45 PM 

"Very important system I believe, SPAAG meaning like for example South Korean K30 vehicle?"

No brother, SSM also call this project like SPAAG but It means "Self Propelled Anti Aircraft Guns"...

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June 23 2009, 6:55 PM 

Every Command-Control vehicles will direct 3 armed SPAAG vehicles.

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June 23 2009, 7:13 PM 

the m113 chassis wont be heavy enough to handle 2 35mm guns, the movements will make it extremely inaccurate




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June 23 2009, 7:23 PM 

ACV-S is a derived version of M-113 which uses streched chassis instead of original one... and No doubt, Before Aselsan Engineers did not start this project, They had prepared a feasibility work for SSM to prove the effectivenes of that design... I do not suppose that Aselsan engineers fall a fault like you mentioned above...

M-113
Weight-- 12.3 tonnes
Length-- 4.863 m
Width-- 2.686 m

ACV-S Akinci
Weight--18,000 kg
Length--6.380 m
Width--2.946 m

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June 23 2009, 8:08 PM 

german boy says true...

l think even 18 tonnes wont be enough for recoliling a pair of 35mm guns..

FNSS should be produce heavier platform for accurate shootings...

lights hulls move too much ..

This is 24 tonnes tunguska equiped with 2x 30 mm guns...Over shaking can be seen in each shooting...

Watch the 38-45 secs..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xP-mQIy-jX0&feature=related



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June 23 2009, 8:31 PM 

If a Mowag 8X8 can handle Skyranger then i don't why the ACV-S won't..

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June 23 2009, 8:52 PM 


here is a question for you guys the improvement of Turkey in indiginious solutions mainly in tracking software, electrooptics, sensors and radar is remarkable and an "in progress" no doubt.

But howcome aselsan or mkek or kale or any other national asset has not set out to come up with an indiginuous high RPM gunner so far? Like STAMP for instance, I believe is an oerlikon (or is it?) The same goes for this new project. Benchmarking-reverse engineering-improving R&D is one thing, a direct adaptation of your platform and ur electronics to a readily acquired gun is another. I guess we can argue the same thing for the ottobalera's on kýlýc's dogans and other missile boats (or future ones-MILGEM for that matter)

Showing undeniable presence in elecronics and delivering products is good enough but I would certainly like to see more on means of delivering firepower


 
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June 24 2009, 6:07 AM 

Very good question Proxima,

Not producing indigenous cannons, fire arms is a shame of our national politics. I don't know why but it is forbidden for companies to design large calibre fire arms. MKEK is the only state owned and state licensed company that has right to desig large calibre weaponry, and unfortunately MKEK is (has been so far) quite sh.tty.

So as result of this ridiculous state policy although we have more than 160 fire arms producing companies in Turkey, these companies are not allowed to design and produce anything else than pistols and hunting riffles. Lately only Sarsilmaz got a license for producing Colt riffles under license (only for the export) under strong state control.

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June 24 2009, 6:12 AM 

they should at least let these weapons be sold to the special forces at least turkiye needs to come with some kinde military adviser to our current leaders so they can make the right decisions

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June 24 2009, 6:30 AM 

I must say that during the years I have watched with envy the Turkish defence industry developing slowly but surely. I know they are not up to scratch with the superpowers Germany, USA and France. But they are making progress.



I also see many greek companies in particular one that i have been following quite closly Soukos Robots AE.This company is amazing and from what i have read and seen on many tech sites seems to be the one from greece that thinks outside the square.


I think investments in home made technology is vital to any country as it branches off into so many other networks such as medical educational and infrustructure.

Does anyone know of any Greek Turkish joint technological cooperation?

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June 24 2009, 2:09 PM 

Defense industry is vital in many ways,
1. if you have a potential or political influence, it can bring huge export revenues
2. If you maintain a huge army and already making serious military spending, it keeps the spending at home, enables employment opportunities and boost other sectors with multiplier factor.
3. It feeds a lot of sectors, for ex. when you are building a vessel, you buy goods from toilet makers, to kitchen makers.
4. Since it is a technology relied industry, it leads country's technology level up. As most of you know, many technologies used by civilian purposes in fact based on military technologies.
5. It gives political and diplomatic advantages.
6. In the long run, huge savings in maintenance and operation spending.
7. Weaponry designed for your specific needs enables you to exploit their limits and bring efficiency.


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June 24 2009, 2:18 PM 

^^^^^^^Exactly^^^^^^^^

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June 24 2009, 2:48 PM 

Hello First and for most to all . i watched and listened and read but never replied . Any way .

Would they Intergrate any sub systems like Anti Air Missile onto the Spaag project similar to the Russian Tunguska which is a multi function SPAAG both Anti Air gun and Anti Air missle .


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June 24 2009, 3:14 PM 

As far as I know, missile system and spaag will be separate projects , meanwhile, those separate vehicles maybe be integrated to the same command and control unit, radar unit etc...


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June 24 2009, 3:29 PM 

It wouldnt be a really effecicent and really effective system . If it is two different system seperated then you would have to fuel both system and also more mechanice support meaning more cost .

I think there is still time to think about the system . Multi System would be most cost effective and efficent to have both system on one platform .

Or in the other hand if its similar and if it going to be similar to the Tor-M1 which is a great system would be a great idea and a great system to have in place .


    
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June 24 2009, 3:41 PM 

"MKEK Cansas will produce Oerlikon 35mm gun"

This part makes me sick.

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June 24 2009, 4:40 PM 

"This part makes me sick."

Why ? MKE has always made great barrels..

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