A SYRIZA voter or a turko gray wolf voter?



I hate the Syriza voter more...with the grey wolf on the other hand i might have a more interesting chat for sure

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some greeks are funny with their hate/fear towards left political parties.

yes as a third non biased observer it is funny...but if you have the burden to live with them then things are much different

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Dude, I was a grey wolf for a long time till recently, when I started to not care for politics, did you guys hate me? Nope, you guys loved me.



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Greek Resistance

instanbul, you were NOT a greywolf

 

In what ways it is different? Could you explain it? Thank you.

i hate the ignorant pampered, oedipus complex, christian greek... who for thousands of years has brought our intelect and civilization to such dire circumstance.

the "syriza" voters you hate are just reactionary to you.. so your hate for them reveals your own disgusting disposition.

vice versa

instanbul, you were NOT a greywolf

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I was not an active militant but I do vote for them and support their policies.

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Greek Resistance

In other words you're a fascist. How nice.

You never called me a fascist till today. So I guess both YOU and I know that I am not one.

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Greek Resistance

I know that many Turks will hate me for saying this, but much of the "wolf" and "grey wolf" frenzy and myth in Turkey was imported from Italy in the 1920s and 1930s.

The Italian fascists revered the Romans and emphasized the legend of "Romulus and Remus", which became Turkicized as "she-wolf Asena" in Turkey. (In the Ottoman period, if you would talk to an Ottoman citizen about "grey wolves, Asena, etc", people would probably think that you are crazy or something.)

For many decades, boy scouts were called "yavru kurt" (wolf cub) in Turkey.

This was a direct translation from the "figli della lupa" (children of the she wolf), which was the name of the Italian boy scouts during the Mussolini years. These children were brainwashed with fascist ideals.

Today, due to the fascist origin of the name, the term "cub scout" is no longer used in English and other languages. "Boy scout" or "girl scout" are preferred today.

tuaf, the difference is with the end of the cold war all those "gladio" groups were dissolved, while grey wolfs were the strongest in the 90s. Wiping out all kurdish businessmen, fighting terror effectively etc.

ps wolf cubs are names Native Americans used, has no deeper meaning. Don't know where you got your whole conspiracy theory from.

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Greek Resistance

Well, I've been living in Italy for a very long time and I know the country's history

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figlio_della_lupa

Hundreds of words in Turkish (especially in banking and navigation) are of Italian origin.

Don't forget that the Italian law (apart from Swiss law) was the main source of our law codes in the 1930s. A lot of "ideals" were also exchanged between the two countries, inevitably.

The "figli della lupa" wore the "fez" as their headgear

So the Italians were also a bit "Turkish wannabe" in this detail.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=tr&lr=&um=1&q=figli+della+lupa&sa=N&start=0&ndsp=18





http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figlio_della_lupa

La divisa era composta da:

* Fez in lana nera,
* Camicia di tipo sportivo di cotone nero, con cinturone color bianco che raccoglieva le due bretelle
* Pantaloni in lana grigio-verde, di media lunghezza
* Calzettoni in lana grigio-verde con due righe nere sulle rovescie
* Scarpe nere in cuoio
* Nei periodi invernali era aggiunta una mantellina corta grigio-verde e guanti di filo bianco

"i hate the ignorant pampered, oedipus complex, christian greek"


Well thanks to these ignorant peasants you are free again to worship your Idols. You should feel some gratitude to say the least.

Syriza pigs dont just react to what you say. They dont feel Greeks nor have any love for the soil they were born. They feel "citizens of the world" and their greatest desire is for Greece to disappear - either through terrorism, braking up stores of innocent civilians or legalizing millions of illegal barbarians with the sole purpose of braking up the consistency of our nation state.

These people are the real enemy of Greece and I suggest to all my compatriots to utilize all their energy until we extinct them! We have a War in case you havent noticed...

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Those they live there lives around beliefs based on camel jock religions, such as christianity islam and judaism. After all they say thy are for peace and love but in truth all they do is kill and hate, in the name of god, allah and yahweh.

Pathetic

Sfakan this is a pathetic analysis... you are blaiming all of Greece's woes and misfortunes on a party that amasses less than 10% of the vote......

they are not in power. what about the most anti-Hellenic peoploe WHO ARE in power.... the ones that have sold their souls.

in the next couple of years you will see many changes... of course you have no idea because you are stuck in this mainstream mediocracy achieving and striving mass of sheep.

none the less.. i hope the Gods send favorable omens to you and you family.

kalinixta.

@Nostos,the problems greece faces has nothing to do with religion,ie christianity.i've heard it
a million times"bring back the 12 gods and with it the golden age shall return"as if zeus gave the phillosophers directions.
sweeden was also paganistic along with switzerland,germany and pretty much all of europe but they're all faring better than greece and they too are also christian,so how do you account for this then?
reality is my friend that religion is not the problem but the 5th colunmists within our society
who do the bidding of their foreign masters are public enemy #1.
the ideals of our ancient fathers in one form or another still exist and are admired the world over
but should you feel comfortable worshipping an idol,a myth or legend then go ahead.the european court of human rights gurantees you this in the constitution just as it gurantees my right to believe in my convictions.

"what about the most anti-Hellenic peoploe WHO ARE in power"


Syriza supporters hold key positions within the media (ie Lazopoulos) and manipulate the public opinion so dont tell me they dont have power.

One interesting thing is that both of our leading parties use "enlighted" leftists to write new History book for our youth or promote new multicultural models for our society. WHO GAVE THEM THE RIGHT TO DO SO ?

I am pleased that in the last Euro elections the people woke up from their sleep and I am sure have much to see. The Greeks will fight these scums to the end!

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Hi Xstandul,

Can you please give me an insight as to what the Grey Wolves policies are and in particular what their policies are towards Greece.

And just to answer the question. Hate is a very strong word. I pity Syriza as they are fellow Greeks and i can never hate a fellow Greek no matter how misguided they are. As for the Grey Wolves I don't have an opinion as yet as I don't really know what they stand for.

If one of my Turkish friends can fill me in on a few details that would be appreciated..

Cheers.

wow... who is more of an idiot.. sfakan or aietus? this should be the topic of this discussion.
education is one of the main problems.

you are looking at the concept religion with a judeo-christian perspective since that is what you are...
and yes we still have some of the ideals alive in our society that we must harness so we can bring a generation of free thinking individuals, who are physicially, mentally, and spiritually adept...
Hellenism or this paganism as you see it is not about strict doctrines and conformity.. it is "POlytheism" in that the diviine is manifested in many forms and experienced differently for all..... so an aspect of POlytheism is actually monotheism since the many and the one are all connected.

none the less it is the Judeo-Muslim-Christian sheep that do not allow these concepts to thrive and hence stems the conflict.

so when you say bring the 12 gods back.. shows you have no idea about what we stand or Hellenism... 12 gods are irrelevent.


you think Lazopoulos is the problem now?? hahahahaha he is the mdoern Aristophanes... do you know who Aristophanes was?

i am begginning to doubt it!

so let me ask you this since you brought it up... what you hope and desire for the nation of Greece is to be like Sweden and Switzerland?

why? WHY is it that you wish to conform to the concepts of progress that are imposed onto the populace.... why can we not be innovative? bring in new ideas?
what is so cultured and great about swedish and swiss people and the lifes they live?

i will "worship my idols" even though no such thing exists in Hellenism... and you will go worship yours (paper).

you are a Greeks.. and have nothing to do with Hellenism...

here is an example of a greywolf gathering they are swearing an oath to oppose fascism , communism, and zionist expansionism they are nationalist/islamic as you can hear from the tekbir ie allah hu akbar at the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CpPDTkQVrg

f!ck u kemalists, the grey wolfs were an organisation before mussolini and nazi germany, go research a bit on ziya gokalp, enver pasha , ismail gaspirali ...

don't forget that grey wolfs hate chp more then akp. cause they see u people like islam enemies, they have killed alot of people like u in the 60s 70s 80s, the grey wolfs were very strong in kurdish areas in the past, cause it was the defender of islam against the communists and kemalists.

what means grey wolf? by the fuhrer himself




the grey wolf ideology will never end by ozan arif





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"I hate the Syriza voter "

should find something more serious to hate...

Nostos:

I guess you havent figured out what i am talking about and you are deaf bubling about 12 Gods etc... The issue is not religion. The issue here is that the leftists who currently are the elite figures in Universities, Media and politics DO NOT consider themselves Greek!

Do you want examples? What about the last book of History for 6th grade? As a paganist and Hellenas do you find it acceptable? Do you share the same opinion like some professors in Pantion university who believe that Macedonians are different from Greeks? Do you also share the opinion of legalizing every illegal immigrant that steps on our soil? In case you agree with these leftist syriza ideals i am sorry to disapoint you but you fall in the fagggotry category of our society.

I dont give a flying fvck if you believe in strange idols! The only thing i care about is if you are a 5th column traitor or not.

And about the modern Aristofanis/Lazopoulos...I wonder....Have you ever seen him making fun of Syriza and its extremism?

All Greeks must understand that the people who support Syriza are NOT Greeks!

PS: Syriza finds your religious believes rediculous and they are atheists.

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wow... who is more of an idiot.. sfakan or aietus? this should be the topic of this discussion.
education is one of the main problems.

///if you are curious as to whom among us is the biggest idiot then i suggest you put it to the poll.

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you are looking at the concept religion with a judeo-christian perspective since that is what you are...
and yes we still have some of the ideals alive in our society that we must harness so we can bring a generation of free thinking individuals, who are physicially, mentally, and spiritually adept...
Hellenism or this paganism as you see it is not about strict doctrines and conformity.. it is "POlytheism" in that the diviine is manifested in many forms and experienced differently for all..... so an aspect of POlytheism is actually monotheism since the many and the one are all connected.

none the less it is the Judeo-Muslim-Christian sheep that do not allow these concepts to thrive and hence stems the conflict.

///actually monotheism isnt a judiastical institution it begun in persia.secondly polytheism is exactly that poly(many)theism(gods) just like the 12 gods of olympus,infact show me where in the ancient texts it says one god existed in many gods.and as for free thinking individuals rest assured i have both a cynical and analytical mind.your style of religion reminds me of how the jehovas witness's got a foot hold in greece.you think that the revival of the ancient religion is from within greece but in reality its from two jews from pennsylvania usa just as it was with the jehovas.

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so when you say bring the 12 gods back.. shows you have no idea about what we stand or Hellenism... 12 gods are irrelevent.

/// your right they are irrelevent.

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you think Lazopoulos is the problem now?? hahahahaha he is the mdoern Aristophanes... do you know who Aristophanes was?

i am begginning to doubt it!

so let me ask you this since you brought it up... what you hope and desire for the nation of Greece is to be like Sweden and Switzerland?

why? WHY is it that you wish to conform to the concepts of progress that are imposed onto the populace.... why can we not be innovative? bring in new ideas?
what is so cultured and great about swedish and swiss people and the lifes they live?

///you obviously did not understand or dodged the point so allow me to rephrase.
were our ancients merchants? were they seafarers? was there wealth in ancient greece that funded temples ,cities ,expeditions and discovery???wealth and progress was not imposed on us my dear nostos it existed even in the ancient world and ancient gods had nothing to do with it.patriotic management however did.

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i will "worship my idols" even though no such thing exists in Hellenism... and you will go worship yours (paper).

///as tezel would say "OMG!!"idols did not exist in ancient greece???,next you'll be saying there were no sacrifices either!!

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you are a Greeks.. and have nothing to do with Hellenism...

///no!,i am a greek and do not agree with your dribble,because by your definition of hellenism those that rose up against 400years of slavery were also not hellenes as they were christians.

p.s.even your ancient hellenes made mistakes.they believed the earth was the centre of the universe but progress tells us that earth is not the centre.so now is this scientific discovery imposed upon us??

malazgrit i bet they dont like them just as bad as mhp dos they just dont want to waste there time with a bunch Fu[king try hards i rather see them do work then just talk sh|t out of there ar$e's so basicly mhp is wasting there time with chp

What I'm saying is essentially this:

1) The oldest recorded Turkish writing is the Orkhon (Orhun) Inscriptions, which date from the 8th century AD (not BC), i.e. "centuries after" the supposed "Bozkurt (Grey Wolf) legend" took place.

2) There are no "written documents" from old Turkic history which mention "grey wolves" or "the she wolf Asena which breast-fed the ancestor of the Turks" (obviously a Turkish adaptation of the ancient Roman myth of "Romulus and Remus" which was popular in the fascist Italy of the 1920s and 1930s.)

The fact that the "boy scouts" in Turkey were called "yavru kurt" (a direct translation of "figlio della lupa") also strengthens my personal suspicion/opinion that we "imported" the "wolf frenzy" from fascist Italy some time in the 1920s or 1930s.

In my "personal opinion" (I may be wrong) the whole story is a fabrication, and is related to the attempts of creating a new "Turkish national identity" following the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the establishment of the Republic of Turkey as a "nation-state."

Al sana Asena:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_and_Remus

Al sana Yavru Kurt:

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figlio_della_lupa

Tuaf, the wolf story comes from the ergenekon epic's bortecine (börteçine, female wolf) warrior. she is actually a soldier which leads tribes out of ergenekon in a trapped migration story (so a human). also blue eyed grey wolf symbolizes goodness in turkic myth while blue eyed black one symbolizes evil.

the main reason wolf was an important symbol in our culture because in hunter cultures wolves are human's #1 rival. btw blue eyed grey wolf is a rare and blue eyed black wolf is an unique animal romans probably got wolves stories from etruscans.

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Syriza are the enemy of Greece.

Adolf Hitler:
"For the sake of historical truth I must verify that only the Greeks, of all the adversaries who confronted us, fought with bold courage and the highest disregard of death.. " (From speech he delivered to Reichstag on 4 May 1941)"