As you guys know, Turkey has been building high speed rail lines since 2003.

The distance between Istanbul and Ankara is more or less equal to the distance between Istanbul and Thessaloniki, so wouldn't it be good to have a high-speed railway connection between these two cities in the future? The travel time would be between 3 to 4 hours.

If Greece will ever build an HSR line, it will probably be between Athens and Thessaloniki, so a line between Thessaloniki and Istanbul will also reach all the way to Athens (the total travel time between Istanbul and Athens would be around 7 to 8 hours.)

If a double-decker multi-purpose suspension bridge will be built on the Dardanelles strait, there can also be a high speed rail (and highway) connection between Izmir, Thessaloniki and Athens.

Of course, a plane takes only about 45 to 50 minutes to travel from Istanbul to Athens, so you may ask "what's the point?"

Two things:

1) The train trip will offer panoramic ground views.

2) The high speed trains can also carry huge amounts of cargo (especially the cargo versions of these trains) which may boost the trade between the two countries.

Hopefully, no way.

Generally when you invest in a country you invest in a status quo, the current one. Greece's Neo-Ottoman elites already take down too many defences with their "friendship", "EU bid support" and "invest in Turkey" dogmas which they poison the population with.

Already billions of Euros by Greece have been wasted investing in Turkey. So long as Turkey constantly makes territorial violations, Greece needs to respond with a hot incident by shooting several of their fighters down while we have the advantage. This is the only way to deal with a hostile fanatic muslim country next door, the Israelis have long showed this type of path.

Investing in economic ties in Turkey, is the same as investing in the status-quo of allowing Turkey to Findlandize Greece. The only thing Greece should invest is imposing on American and European defence firms to stay neutral(minimal) or promote Greece(maximal) and stop intensely promoting Turkey[1], then after a few years of such a policy taking effect with Turkey having a much smaller geo-political profile, make some sehits one day while they expect yet another routine violation.

[1] When Turkey buys weapons from the USA it imposes on the American defence firms and centers of power to support them diplomatically, politically, geo-strategically. Greece does none of this. One example, the US has Joseph Ralston(ex-airforce general, on the board of directions of Cohen Group international relations firm which Turkey retains, Board of director of Lockhead Martin) as a co-ordinator for the PKK-Kurdish issue to allay Turkey's concerns. When has Greece ever gotten an American defence firm to do a similar act for its own interests? Never, infact many Greeks are so leftist anti-American they would attack such a position. When the ROC tries to buy weapons Ankara and the its TRNC puppets always try to bring up internationally how this is bad for "talks" or the situation or whatever. If you look at things in simple terms, outside of the discourse set by tainted Greek media it is amazing what kind of conclusions you can reach.

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Dude, you have no "vision"

Already the investment of the National Bank of Greece in Finansbank for 3.4 billion Euros foolishly strengthened the growing Neo-Ottoman lobby of Greek elites. Now National Bank of Greece has a few billion dollars to loose if Greece ever responds to the constant territorial incursions of the TuAF the way the heroic Israelis would have long ago. Usually large business interests always have a influence on government, so NBG will favor the continued Finlandization of Greece. NBG will thus have a good reason to support the continued violations of Greek territory, because actually doing something would threaten that investment.

Turkey hardly invests in Greece, because this is a strategic decision. Turkey trades and invests comparatively little with its neighbors and strategically directs its trade to the big power brokers like the USA, Germany, UK, etc. One does not invest in a neighboring countries when you have strategic designs against those countries. Hence it is only Greece that is stupid enough to highly tout investing in Turkey as if it means something. Greek leaders are stupid enough to think that investment = peace.

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The guys at NBG know Gekko's golden rule:

"Don't get emotional about stocks"



Money never sleeps, money has no nationality.

And money is to be made in the growing giant at the east.

You shouldn't bet on Greeks to build high speed rails in Greece that will reach Turkey.

We have been trying to repair the conventional rails from Alexandroupoli to Ormenio( Northern point of Evros) for over 10-15 years . And it is just repairs , not laying down new tracks.

Imagine how long will take us to build new high speed track, forget it.

"Tell the Spartans, stranger passing by,

that here obedient to their laws we lie"

you make it sound like israel is doing great, they copped over 1,500 rockets fired into their land last year, thats like 4 a day every day of the year, yes they give more than they take but it's still far from safe and peaceful

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"Freedom is never free"

To bad Turkish leaders know that, while Greek leaders and even Greek people couldn't care less and take freedom for granted .

"Tell the Spartans, stranger passing by,

that here obedient to their laws we lie"

Of course if it is not "peaceful". Israel is surrounded by muslims and has a significant Islamic Arab minority. No nation bordering Mohammedan hordes knows peace. For refernce see: 164 Jihad Verses in the Koran

Greece bordering the Turkish hordes and their complementary auster and militaristic state that is "pretend secular" still knows no peace. The Kemalist elites(being displaced by islamic ones) have kept all the warlike and expanionist tendencies of Islamic cannon.

The Israeli people have a tight resolve. If the whole world diplomatically ganged up on Greece the way it does constantly on Israel, the Greek media, leaders, business elites would all just capitulate and accept becoming a Turkish province. That is the difference between Israel and Greece. Israel does not accept Finlandization, it cracks muslim skull.

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no the difference is israel has a lot more powerful people looking after it

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The term "Neo-Ottomans" is used pejoratively by the nationalist press in Greece to defame Greek businessmen who invest in Turkey.

Why not call them "Neo-Byzantines"?

Byzantium is on the rise again...

whoever values lfe should not use high-speed train in greece... i am dead serious.

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"High-speed rail connection between Greece and Turkey"

That would change the "24 hrs to invade" saying here.



"Independence is My Character"
M. Kemal ATATÜRK

and about the jihad it clearly states to fight only in defence or in aid of those that can't fight for themselves.

...retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the slain... [2.179] ...there is life for you in (the law of) retaliation, O men of understanding, that you may guard yourselves.

RETALION

...fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you...

WITH THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU

Fighting is enjoined on you...[2.217]... fighting in it. Say: Fighting in it is a grave matter...persecution is graver than slaughter... [2.218]...strove hard in the way of Allah...

PERSECUTION IS GREATER THAN SLAUGHTER as in it is better to fight for your freedom than to live a life under another mans rule

...when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. [8.16] ...for the sake of fighting... [8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote [Allah gets the credit for Jihad]...

"when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them."

as in if you are under attack don't flee


: ...fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah...

^ that one explains its self... phuck it, it just goes on and i aint clarifiying every passage for you

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- Wu Ting-Fang

In your case it has turned you into a racist fvckwit



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Byzantium is on the rise again...



Only when Turks renounce the cult of Islam and come back to Orthodoxy.

i would advice greek to say no and no...
high speed trains are and will be for the near future commercially unsustainable..

(of course turdgay prefers exhibitionism instead of providing running water for the 20 millions that don't have it..)

On the other hand it's a good way to send back our illegal immigrants-quickly.