Back in March 2006, Defense-Aerospace relayed a Turkish SSM procurement agency RFI for 4 more diesel-electric submarines:

In this frame, Request for Information is issued to gather administrative, financial and technical information from related Companies who may be willing to participate for the project activities. The companies who are willing to reply to the RFI may request the RFI document by sending an e-mail including their company name and detailed contact address to [colcay at ssm dot gov.tr]. Then, the RFI document will be sent to the related companies by e-mail. The deadline for requesting the RFI document from SSM is May 15th, 2006 by local time 17:00.



Current Incumbents, and Future Possibilities


Atilay Class
Haze Gray notes that Turkey currently operates 6 SSK Atilay Class (Type 209-1200*) boats built between 1975-1989, and will also operate a total of 8 Preveze Class (Type 209-1400*) boats when current commitments are fully built out. The second group of 4 U209-1400s was a DM 996 million contract signed in 1998 for a slightly modified design, and is sometimes referred to as the Gur Class. Golcuk Naval Shipyard has worked in cooperation with HDW on many of these submarines, and will be the local co-production partners for these new type submarines as well.

Turkeys main rival, Greece, currently has 8 SSK Glavkos Class (Type 209/1100-1200*) submarines in service, and is building 4 more SSK Papanikolis Class (Type 214) diesel-electric submarines with air-independent propulsion.

This seemed to put HDW in a favorable position for additional orders from Turkey with its U-212 improved & U-214 Class, and the final outcome bore that out.

Other contenders included firms like Frances DCNS (Agosta Class, Scorpene Class, newer Marlin Class under development), and Spains Navantia Scorpene Class, newer S-80 Class under development). They are always serious competitors; and firms like Kockums AB (Gotland Class, and Collins Class with ASC) and even their Russian neighbors Rubin Central Maritime Design Bureau (Project 636 Improved Kilo Class) had to be seen as possibilities.

Contracts and Key Events


July 2/09: The Turkish government signs a EUR 2.5 billion ($3.5 billion equivalent) contract to co-produce 6 of HDWs U-214 class submarines, with HDWs fuel cells for air independent propulsion. The submarines will be built at the military-owned Golcuk Shipyard near Izmit, and the expected delivery date for the first U-214TN submarines remains 2015.

According to Turk Net Haber, HDW will pre-assemble key structural and mechanical parts in Germany, as well as classified elements such as the fuel cells and propulsion system. All electronic and weapon systems, including sensors, communications, and data processing systems, will be designed and produced in Turkey. Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul has reportedly stated that Turkish industrial participation would be worth around 80% of the deals value.

The order lengthens HDWs lead in air-independent propulsion systems. Once these submarines are fielded, there will then be 36 submarines with HDW fuel cell propulsion systems in operation world-wide. ThyssenKrupp release | Defense News | Turk Net Haber | Defense Aerospace | Reuters Germany [in German].

Aug 26/08: The SSM begins contract negotiations with the HDW/MFI Business Partnership, for U-214 submarines with Air Independent Propulsion. Source.

Nov 12/07: The Turkish Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM) has confirmed 3 bidders for the Future Submarine Project. DCNS in France, HDW/MFI in Germany, and Spains Navantia S.A.

HDW is the current incumbent in Turkey, and their most advanced submarines are the U-212A and U-214 Classes. The U-212A has been ordered by Germany (5) and Italy (2), while the U-214 has been ordered by Turkeys rival Greece (4) and by South Korea (3).

DCNS and Navantia both make Scorpene Class submarines, which have been sold to India (6), Chile (2), and Malaysia (2). That partnership has split over future models, however, with Navantia developing the larger S-80 Class for Spain in cooperation with BAE (4), and DCNS developing the Marlin Class for export.

March 15-16/07: Turkeys SSM holds a bidder conference for RFP purchasers.

Feb 2/07: The Turkish SSM lists the companies who bought the New Type Submarine (AIP) Project RFP.

They are: Armaris (France, would become DCNS); Fincantieri Cantieri Navali Ä°taliani S.p.A. (Italy); HDW/MFI (Germany); Lockheed Martin Maritime Systems & Sensors (USA); and Navantia S.A. (Spain). Lockheed and Fincantieri are almost certainly positioning themselves as subcontractors.

Dec 28/06: The SSMs RFP announcement raised the total from 4 to 6 submarines, and adds air-independent propulsion systems as a requirement. See release with contact information... but the fee of the RFP is EUR 10,000 (currently about $13,200). Get your Euros in by January 31, 2007, by 17:00 Ankara time.

June 23/06 DIDs Turkey Gets Responses re: Sub Program, Delays Other RFPs covers the firms that responded to the RFI, most of whom are subcomponent manufacturers or services providers. Within the respondent group, HDW, Armaris, and Navantia all build diesel-electric submarine classes with air-independent propulsion; Kockums and Russias Rosoboronexport are conspicuous by their absence.

Links add details re: both the sub RFI, and accompanying competitions for a Submarine Rescue Mother Ship (Moship) and 2 Rescue and Towing Ships.

END NOTES: The U209 Family


HDW family tree

N.B. * = Type 209 boats are often followed by a number that indicates the displacement of their version. Since these numbers have tended to grow over time, they can also help observers determine submarine modernity, but they are not an absolute guide by any means.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/todays-special-turkey-sub-rfi-02088/#more-2088

Neither HDW subsidiary Kockums AB nor the Rubin Central Maritime Design Bureau requested RFIs though either or both could have theoretically bought an RFP and responded anyway.

The first submarine of the new class is scheduled for delivery in 2015.


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Turkiye Turklerindir

fact A: turgay had supmarine supiriority in the 90s.
fact b: greece balanced it by mid 2000s
fact C : by 2015 greece will gain both quantity and quality advandage.
fact D: you are fact as usuall..

We are producing %81 of the U-214s...







And what do you do greeks except buying defensive systems?

Ask yourself Constantanus why Greks never develop, you Greks call yourself a seafaring nation but tell me what Grek indigenous stuff has been put in those U214Hel? Turks on the otherhand are humble we don't call ourself a seafaring nation but hey look, all electronics and sensors to be put in the U214TN will be Turkish indigenous stuff.

Ouch, reality is a bitch!



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Turkiye Turklerindir

@nutuk

return to turkey to find a decent job, a descent house for your family, a descent public school for your kids, a safe place to live and u will find the answer

No worry Pana,

I have lived most of my life in Turkey, went to Europe because there was unfortunately not much in the field of design engineering. I worked for Ericsson, Philips semiconductors, Yokagawa. I have designed machines for ASML (one of worlds leading producers of chip production machinery). Heck I have even designed a machine for a research institute in Athens (forgot the name but can look in my files) to produce membrane filters.

Fortunately Turkey has improved a lot in the meantime and I am confident that there are enough companies to my liking but I have plans to start for my own, so thanks for you worries I think I'll manage

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Turkiye Turklerindir

i wish u the best nutuk!

try for intracom, they pay well but u work like a slave

Why should Greeks insist on specing out second class systems just because they're produced indigenously? We can afford to buy the best and we do. Turks buy state of art subs, then put second rate systems in them to negate the advantage. They're koo-koo. But, hey it's fine with me! LOL

"Turks buy state of art subs, then put second rate systems in them to negate the advantage"

Jealousy, Arsepain.... Take a look that poster to see What Raytheon says about Genesis...

LOL. You show Frigate system specs to advocate your ability to produce SUBMARINE SYSTEMS?!

Yes we produce second rate defense systems.

ANKARA, April 29 (Reuters) - Turkish defence equipment maker Aselsan (ASELS.IS) said on Wednesday it had agreed to a partnership with a unit of Italy's Finmeccanica (SIFI.MI) for work on defence systems for a new type of submarine.

http://us.mobile.reuters.com/mobile/m/AnyArticle/p.rdt?URL=http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssIndustryMaterialsUtilitiesNews/idUSLT878922200904

This MoU brings together the technologies and expertise of both companies, enabling them to pursue industrial, technological and commercial opportunities in the submarine simulators market.

"Havelsan and Rheinmetall Defence represent a prestigious, formidable partnership with extensive resources and the business expertise to establish a long and fruitful partnership for the market", states Faruk Yarman, General Manager of HAVELSAN.

http://www.defpro.com/news/details/7615/

yeah crap !

Turkish subs:

"had agreed to a partnership with a unit of Italy's Finmeccanica (SIFI.MI) for work on defence systems for a new type of submarine."

So you can copy an Italian system, so what? It still won't be as effective as ours. Copies never are.

"had agreed to a partnership with a unit of Italy's Finmeccanica (SIFI.MI) for work on defence systems for a new type of submarine."

How type an imbecile can understood from above sentences that Turkey will copy Italian sub. system ?

Troll who can't even understand his own language, your u-214 will not match ours capish ?

That's all you can do, monkey see, monkey do.

Landos,

You understand and work for automobiles, ones the US automobiles where the best. Why would the rest of the world make automobiles (thinking with Greek logic here ) while they could simply buy the best?

See now the US automobile industry is shaking, how comes?



Secondly old buddy, nobody will sell their "best" weaponry to Greeks (or Turks). We can only get the best if whe design them ourselfs.

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Turkiye Turklerindir

U-214TN > U-214

Hey, I work on hybrid automobiles not simple internal combustion engines. We make the best in the world, or at least equal with toyota for the best.

U-214TN > U-214


Yeahh... Certainly...

Which company? You live in Detroit right?

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Turkiye Turklerindir

@nutuk; he is an 20 years old hippie... not an old hag. lots of stories he told are just products of his imagination.

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I work for one of the Big Three in Detroit. Work on Electric and Hybrid Vehicles. Am in NO danger of employment-Obama likes electric cars. LOLOL!

Which one of the three, heck I'm not asking your pin account number of your credit card.



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Turkiye Turklerindir

topic title is misleading

Subway Turkey Sub for only $5 (footlong)

$5 after 5pm deal at Subway Sub for all starving turcocks. They will be so grateful to be eating again.

Appearantly Turkey selects the same torpedo as Greece wanted to select for her U214's (but the pricetag the Germans presented made the Greek defence minister piss in his pants, so the Greeks swallowed to buy the the German DM2A4 torped, which by the way is not a bad one either ).
Aselsan is going to integrate the WASS black shark heavy weight torpedo on the Turkish U214's.

So the main weapon systems of the Turkish U214TN gets a shape:
Heavy torpedo: WASS black shark
Light torpedo: Akya (indigenous with Korean assistance blue shark tech)
Torpedo decoy: BAIT (indigenous smart acoustic submarine decoy from Aselsan)

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Turkiye Turklerindir

According to the last issue of S&H magazine, TN had selected Mk48 Mod6 ADCAP heavy torpedo for U-214 submarines.

The last issue of S&H magazine has been released ?

Yes,  issue number 132.

Thanks brother... Yeahhh !!!

Mk48 Mod6 ADCAP heavy torpedo
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The MK48 is mainly intended for the Milgem. Aselsan is going to integrate the WASS Alenia Black Shark on the U214TN. I don't know the exact differences of Black shark and MK48 MOD6 so SSM may play with the thought of implementing both torpedo's to make use of their respective advantages.

Read page 17:
http://www.aselsan.com.tr/images/dokuman/dergimiz/Aselsan_Dergi_78.pdf



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Turkiye Turklerindir

@landos - "I work for one of the Big Three in Detroit. Work on Electric and Hybrid Vehicles. Am in NO danger of employment-Obama likes electric cars. LOLOL!"
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Does GM have a hybrid vehicle on the market yet?