her counterpart



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Kornet like many Greek mistery purchases why did Greece buy longbow radars without ordering the mmw hellfire missiles? It's like the tank purchase without the ammo, but she surely looks good on postcards and parades.

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turkish tank crews should put their date of birth and full name on the armor, because their tanks are soon-to-be metal sarcophagus.

Be carefull...

Our Atlgan which is made in Turkey will destroy your Apache before it will fire its Hellfires to our tanks...

Nutuk the missiles are scheduled to arrive in 2010.

The U.S. Army has purchased thousands of Hellfire II precision-strike, laser-guided missiles for helicopters, UAVs, and possibly, tripods and Humvees, service officials said.

The $357 million deal is to begin delivery in 2010. It also includes options to buy more in 2009 and 2010; if exercised, these options would sustain Hellfire production into 2013 and put the total number of missiles purchased over 15,000, the U.S. Army's largest Hellfire purchase to date, said Lockheed Martin Air-to-Ground Missile System Program Manager Ken Musculus.

The purchase will also send missiles to France, Greece and the Netherlands via the Foreign Military Sales program.



Source:http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3690737

the photo is from Megara installations, isn't it?






"War is sweet to those who have never experienced it" Pindar

Den ksero na sou po tin alitia.

Gayreeks, If you do not want to see your Wapaches to be burned with your young pilots against more than 150 ready to fire Aselsan Atilgan-Zipkin SWP with Heirrkks intelligent software control systems, I advise you not to approach Turkish borders...

You know, Every Atilgan is able to carry 8 ready to fire Stinger missiles... Suppose that 100 Atlgan has been delivered to Turkish army until present...That means 800 kick-arse guided missiles are waiting for your flying machine, UAV's...



and 50 Zipkin can carry 200 ready to fire guided missiles... No need to describe more things about your Wapaches at a likely war...





Finally;

Kornet,
Greece ordered 657 AGM-114K HELLFIRE, that's the laserguided standard version. The Longbow MMW Hellfire is the AGM-114L!

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@T-129
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Be carefull...

Our Atlgan which is made in Turkey will destroy your Apache before it will fire its Hellfires to our tanks...
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Sorry and no hard feelings, I rarely take the piss at anyone here, but the quoted post sounded like a "my dad will beat yours" response...

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Don't listen to the jealous Turks. Greece enjoys a complete domination in helicopter gunships. The T-129 and the UMTAS are still plastic demos to enter service in 2076.
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2009 balance between Greece and Tellakland

12 AH-64D's
19 AH-64A's
PLUS 15 Mi-35's and Gazelle's in Cyprus

Tellaks operate 6 AH-1W's and 25 obsolete AH-1S/P's.

And the fearsome Greek Apache's are combat proven ain't it

They survived the battle against mice!


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Greek army wants 50 apaches.
31 yet,more 20 D-model from US stocks to come till 2020-2025.
Indeed,I guess MMW missile order will not be made before 19 AH-64A+ modernization completed.
Without modern shorad system turkish army is helpless against greek apaches anyway,lol.

The Greek AH64A upgrade will be another amusement to watch. Boeing is pressing Greece to start the upgrade, but at the moment the Greeks are not even capable of finding money to pay of their submarines.





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does the atilgan use the cirit missile

Atilgan uses the US-made FIM-92 Stinger. Cirit is a guided A/T rocket under development intended hor helicopter use.

fu[k your right we have not made anti air yet

You haven't because you are too busy developping aircraft carriers, submarines, space-ships, satellites, electronic dildos, synthetic shish-kebabs and gay-robots.

Mano, are the Greek AH-64D Block II or III (as far as I know block II)?

Greece planned to upgrade the older ones to block II, when will that happen?

Thanx ahead

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griks use obsolote block 1 configuration.

us is going to stop all support and maintenance for block 1 apaches next year. which means all apache operates ether upgrade to block 2 (=$$$$$) or take care of themselves. read the last number of afm magazin.

the brits are talking about not upgrading the apaches because its expensive.

griks are over the lap of their masters.

Our Atlgan which is made in Turkey will destroy your Apache before it will fire its Hellfires to our tanks...

we rest assured that nothing of the short will happen, the guarantee is that it is made in Turkey with the well known quality of its weapons as it has been proved in the recent Russo Georgian conflict.

ODYSSEUS KILLING THE SUITORS

(Mongolia is my biggest enemy, as long as i exist i will have only one ambition, to kick as many Mongolic asses as possible, Mongols shake in terror Odysseus is here for you)

"the guarantee is that it is made in Turkey with the well known quality of its weapons as it has been proved in the recent Russo Georgian conflict."

You should be sure the quality level of Turkish state of art weapon systems... All of them are being developed in accordance with NATO standarts and serving lots of NATO countries including Europe such as Holland and Slovenia... Turkish costumers are presenting their proud systems on TV's and magazines day by day which was developed-produced by Turkish defence industry..

What about you ? As everybody realised in WAFF that You like crying down everything belong to Turkiye without havning any capability of developing anything... Let the making criticize about systems aside, Firtly Try to develop any single bullets, Then came here to talk about quality level of products... We, Producers always imagine, develop and produce everything We need, You ,Banana republics, try to operate the systems that we developed so We designate the quality standarts of products so It is an obligation for you to live in the deep of our imagination power... As long as We produce something, You can operate them...

What about you ? As everybody realised in WAFF that You like crying down everything belong to Turkiye without havning any capability of developing anything... Let the making criticize about systems aside, Firtly Try to develop any single bullets, Then came here to talk about quality level of products... We, Producers always imagine, develop and produce everything We need, You ,Banana republics, try to operate the systems that we developed so We designate the quality standarts of products so It is an obligation for you to live in the deep of our imagination power... As long as We produce something, You can operate them...

we dont need to produce anything we simply get the best that the market has to offer , and you producers i dont know exactly what do you mean by this "we producers" you probably mean that Turkey is a producer you order all your high tech weapons from abroad and you produce some vehicles and howitzers for which you spend endless hours bragging about them

you got German tanks, you will get American jets, you will get probably Russian long range a/a systems, you will get American or Russian fighting choopers. You boast about Milgem which is just only a boat floating without any operational capabilities till then we can talk about it in the future, and finally you are boasting about the Korean designed tanks which will be your future tank. Its true that you developed some missiles but with the well expected Turkish quality i assume. Lets face it while you spend alot of money achieving minimal exports and ambiguous results we spend our money buying only the necessary weapons for our arsenal weapons which will neutralize any possible advantage that you might get by your limited defence industry.

ODYSSEUS KILLING THE SUITORS

(Mongolia is my biggest enemy, as long as i exist i will have only one ambition, to kick as many Mongolic asses as possible, Mongols shake in terror Odysseus is here for you)

Something from the sidelines.

About atilgan vs Apache.

The atilgan with her optical fire control system when properly camoflaged is hard to be detected by the AH-64A and may have a tactical advantage, however the Apache AH-64D longbow may have the tactical advantage over the atilgan since she can detect it in SAR mode.

And than there are different factors like atilgan hiding behind a rock and be undetectable to radar at all etc.

Anyway sorry for the interruption but weapons like atilgan and asrad are very dangerous for any kind of helicopter.

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Soon their SAR radars won't even pick it up.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=182584

i like your approach Nutuk , far more realistic than boastings of the type "our Altigan will shoot down your Apache in zero time", the truth is that there are many threats for modern choopers the survivability of chooper versus a/a system depends on many factors, as the equipment of the chooper and its detection abilities, the ability of the pilots as well as the position of the a/a 's and their technical characteristics.



ODYSSEUS KILLING THE SUITORS

(Mongolia is my biggest enemy, as long as i exist i will have only one ambition, to kick as many Mongolic asses as possible, Mongols shake in terror Odysseus is here for you)

Do not talk big already now... Yes, We are paying lots of money to take technologies from abroad only for once but It is a prohibition for a country which aims a great national defence industry with capturing lots of foreign markets which was controlled by industrialized big countries in 2000's years... If you do not have enough technological experiences to develop a system and If you want to develop assertive products to compete with anothers in international tenders, You can seek a partner to take some technoogy with money to cover the side which you are defficient as S. Korea, Spain, French, Germany, Sweeden, Holland have done... What's wrong with that ?


and Currently, SSM is managing more than 220 defence industry projects for all Land-Naval and Air forces... More than 180 of them are indignous programs. As you are going to see that Turksh defence industry will be a shining star of those region, After those programs will be finished... so We always call "2020" as a turning point for our nation...

and If the issue is marketing of or systems, I advise you not to get trouble about it... because You know, Almost For Every Turkish projects are being found a constumer while development process are being continued... Take a look T-129 Atak... Malaysia, Pakistan and Jordan... Milgem Pakistan, Azerbaijan.... There are lots of examples which we can release about...

We are intrested in T-129 aswell bro.



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Bro, You are so special for Turkiye... I may type Azerbaijan in a costumer section While I am talking about Turkish defence programs in WAFF but Truth is If Turkey is able to develop something about defence, That's mean Azerbaijan and also Pakistan is going to access all key technologies of related system If you desire... Think it like solidarity of partners or bothers...

Stinger has a 1kg warhead,lol.
Not enough to harm heavily armored AH-64.
Further FIM-92 is bad missile to fight targets very close to ground,performance of Stinger in afghanistan vs choppers was very bad and heavily exaggerated.
You need Shorads like SA-15 to kill anti tank choppers flying fast & NOE,hiding behind hills,trees,and buildings.

http://europauniversitypress.co.uk/auth_article416.html

"SUMMARY: The alleged performance of STINGER missiles in Afghanistan in the 1980s was grossly exaggerated. By comparing the number of STINGERs provided to the Afghans with the number of aircraft downed, the impossibility of the accepted claims about effectiveness is shown. The success rate of the STINGERs against all aircraft is calculated to have been, at best, in the 20% range. Even after the STINGERs arrived in Afghanistan, the majority of aircraft continued to be downed by less sophisticated weapons, and the maximum total number of aircraft that may have been downed by STINGERs is calculated as 150 over three years, with the actual number most likely less than that. A well documented chronology of events shows that the STINGERs did not initiate, or increase the rate of, the decline in air attacks against the Afghan Resistance in the latter years of the war. Logical analysis refutes the idea that the relatively small military and economic costs that resulted from the STINGERs had any significant influence on the course of the war, or on the Soviets decision to withdraw from Afghanistan which evidence indicates had been made before the deployment of the STINGERs.."

We can try out Yannis, you in an Apache and I fire the stinger, if you're right the beer is on me If you're not right I trink also!



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Source:
http://armyaviation.wordpress.com/




AH-64 DHA Longbow Apache Acceptance Flight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZcd3-5S3Hw




Credit goes to @Dimitris Sampanis, Spiros Patsis & GREEK-AIRBORNE

Re Mano,

The last time I checked Greece had accepted 7 of the 12 AH64D. Is the rest now also accepted, any info?

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l should say longbows are definetely useless weight fdor chopper. All US longbows were removed in iraq war.

Also radio emissions can be locator of a chopper in a war. Most of the pilots wouldnt like to use in combat fields.



ETERNAL LEADER of TURAN LANDS
EBEDI BASBUG

lol

Desperate dwarfs count every single AH-64DHA,LEO2HEL & U214 to enter service.
All day long.
24/7,day & night.

Apache is good helicopter but it doesnt immortal. Karbala mission is very educational mission for greek members who extraordinary rely on Apache helicopters.
Karbala mission summary Iraq 2003
A force of around 32 AH-64D 'Longbow'(not AH 64A) Apache attack helicopters were sent on a strike mission in the vicinity of Karbala on the night of 23-24 March.

The Apaches entered the so-called 'Red Zone', in advance of ground units of the 3rd Infantry Division, where Centcom planners believed that between eight and 10 Iraqi divisions were formed up in a defensive ring around Baghdad. Karbala is about 113km southwest of Baghdad and the attack occurred around the nearby village of Abu Mustafe, north of Hillah.

The intention would have been to engage vehicle and infrastructure targets at a safe stand-off distance, relying chiefly on the Apache's long-range Hellfire missiles. Instead the Apache force became engaged in a dangerous melee during which the helicopters were checked by unprecedented (and certainly unexpected) ground fire. The unit was unable to undertake a speedy withdrawal from that fire and suffered heavy damage without making a serious impact on the Iraqi armour.

While no crews were seriously injured, 31 OF THE 32 APACHES sustained combat damage, some of it SERIOUS. ( 31 apache helos number aquals greek apache number)

A crash on landing destroyed one of the aircraft after it had returned to base. Another AH-64D came down in enemy territory and its crew was captured and held until the end of the conflict.

Note ıraq military forces didnt use portable sams against apaches in this mission they used 12.7 mm anti aircraft weapons.

"...Also radio emissions can be locator of a chopper in a war...."

So why will you put RADAR on the Mangusta the first place?
You see how stupid you sound?

Kornet like many Greek mistery purchases why did Greece buy longbow radars without ordering the mmw hellfire missiles? It's like the tank purchase without the ammo, but she surely looks good on postcards and parades.
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you say this right after posting a 3D rendered pic of the Turkish attack helicopter program....hows it going by the way?

your a dick nutsak, i hope Jnr inherited his brain cells from mama...lol

Thermopipi,

Did I ask something wrong? What's the use of having MMW radar if you don't order the MMW missiles for it too?

Ah well, Greek logic is like women logic = illogic, must the the gay genes.

You buy tanks but not the ammo You but longbow but not the missiles What can I say?

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Everything in its time Nutuk...We are not in a hurry, the time is on our side.

Turkish Attack Helicopter program...YOK

Turkish Main Battle Tank program...YOK

Turkish AWACS program...YOK

Turkish long-range anti-air and anti-missile system...YOK



I better stop now, my fingers hurt from typing the numerous YOK Turkish programs.

video of Apache with Lee Ermey

Original Video


video of apache on a show...

Original Video

zipgay vs longbow? you must be joking turko

do you realize what longbow is capable of? that one longbow can serve as the 'quarterback' from up to 30km away and illuminate dozens of targets for other aparches that are firing bunt-trajectory hellfire2 salvos without ever unmasking from the terrain? this system was absolutely made for raping formations protected by that type of rinky-dink 6km shorad.

talk about bringing a knife to a gunfight. THINK HARDER TURKOS

What a bull**** comments from the turks.
- no money for upgrate bla bla bla bla bla
- block I or II or III or who cares, you have none! even our worst apache is still better than the best helicopter, tank or anything else you will have.
- the turks have anti air systems super delux blabla software/missiles. We will see (or you will not see if you are shut down already) in real battle suckers!
- bla bla bla
- more bla bla
- even more bla bla

WE HAVE THE APACHE HELICOPTER THE MOST POWERFUL WEAPON OF THE WORLD.
TURKS DO YOU FEEL LUCKY.........

Don´t you know;

Their 5-6 AH-1S are better than our 31 apaches,lol.
Their few hundred workable Leo2A4 are better than our Leo2HEL.
Their F-16blk 50 & 40 with 1,2xAIM120A/B are much better than our F-16-52+ with AIM120C5/7 & IRIS-T.
Their 50s Nikes are much better than our Patriots & S300.
etc
etc
etc
etc

The list is endless and becomes bogger day by day as we greeks **** in our pants from all the supermodern 3D toys turcos will NOT have 2020 ,lol.

If this News are correct then we get 5 new Cobras from US.

ABD uzun süredir beklettii Cobra tipi saldr helikopterlerini Türkiye'ye verme karar ald.
haber arama
AirportHaber'de Arivde
24 Ekim 2009 - 09:49:11
Karakteri Büyüt Karakteri Küçült

ABD'nin Ankara Büyükelçisi James Jeffrey, Cobra'larn Türkiye'ye verilmesinin kabul edildiini belirterek, saynn henüz belli olmadn, helikopterlerin en ksa sürede teslim edileceini açklad.

Türkiye'ye verilecek helikopterlerin Cobra'nn Whiskey Bell AH-1W tipi olduu ve ABD'de Deniz piyadeleri için üretilen 2 motorlu saldr tipi helikopterlerden olduu belirtildi. Saynn ilk aamada 5 adet olduu belirtilirken, helikopterlerin, ABD ordusunun envanterinden salanlaca kaydedildi.

Türkiye, srarla istedii Cobra helikopterlerini ABD'nin satmamas üzerine Rusya ile görümelere balamt. Rusya'dan 32 adet Mi-28N tipi saldr helikopteri için görümeler sürerken, ABD Bakan Barack Obama Türkiye'ye helikopter satna onay verdi.

Türkiye'nin uzun süredir bekledii helikopterleri Amerikan Bell irketi üretiyor.

http://www.airporthaber.com/v3/readnews.php?newid=18363

5 new Cobras? Impressive. Maybe for your next order you can get 20 Hueys, then we'll be really scared!

5 is enough to bridge the time untill we receive the T-129's

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Power is the ultimate afrodisiak (Henry kissinger)