How do you think to balance the power stability, Greeks? Turkish defence industry will have developed incredible war machines until 2020 but You will be proceeding to order armaments from foreign countries... Your echonomical conditions and EU rules will play a restriction role to block to make huge defence deals for you... Do you see your future as a black hole against Turkish defence industry and foreign policies ? Share your thinkings about this issue please...

Under the current circumstances I see no different future other than what you just proposed.

In fact I believe things will have shifted against Greece much earlier and humiliation of my country will come long before 2020. Unless the world ends in 2012 of course.

"Tell the Spartans, stranger passing by,

that here obedient to their laws we lie"

In fact I believe things will have shifted against Greece much earlier and humiliation of my country will come long before 2020<<<<<<<<< <br>

If you really believe that, go to your local mufti in Thraki and become a moslem....wtf are you waiting for?



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

Cabatli in 2009, prior to surgical operation



11 years later, AFTER operation. Opa! Opa!

Assuming turkey is around in 2020

personaly i dont believe turkey will be around in even 2013.
im not provoking or flamming this is just my honest conviction.

I agree with you Aietus. Too many divisions and the whole Kemalist institution has IMO run it's course. Islam and fundamentalist Islam, admittedly is a very robust force in turkey and very difficult to keep down much longer.



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Turks will be around dancing different tunes for the IMF. I think they owe something like 500 billion Euros.

I have a feeling the Turcos will be selling their "indigenous" weapons to black markets along the Afghan-Pakistani border for a few liras in order to get desperate cash flow to pay for their debt.

fantare,when hitler said the fameous line
"simply kick the front door in and the whole house
will collapse"
he wasnt talking about russia he was talking about turkey.
the generals biggest fear in attacking greece is the consequences of their folly should they fail.simply put the turkish social fabric already under strain will rip.it happened in argentina and countless other places.

True Aieti, Turkish leadership and military brass know full well that any war with Greece is not a cake walk and would take considerable resources. Not to mention that victory is far from guaranteed, given the way/s Greece has prepared itself over the past 20 years. With that kind of risk, coupled with fundamentalist islam and the restive Kurdish desperation for their own homeland, Turkey won't be launching any adventures into the abyss.



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Everyone speaks as if there will actually be a war, even if there was war, Daddy US would split it up. Who here really thinks 2 NATO countries can fight without other NATO members doing something about it? Its quite stupid because seeing as though half of you are pretty old (at least thats what you say)

I really do wish something like this happened sometimes, so i can say 3 words. 'In Your Face'

I haven't spoken as if there would be a war. In fact, I show one reason why there won't be. The reason you bring up is another.



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@tolga

it will be uncle sam that gives turkey the green light.
neither greece nor turkey would start a war with out it!

it will be uncle sam that gives turkey the green light.<<<<<<< <br>


Just like uncle sam gave the red light regarding Cyprus in 1964 and 1967 and the Green light in 1974. Greece and Turkey cannot shake the piss off the tip of their schlongs unless Uncle Sam approves it.



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Aietus, my good friend. That just basically makes another point.


The US would never really give a green light to either country to attack eachother, not that they would attack eachother, lets just assume.

And Fanta. As i remember, it was the Brits that gave the green light in 74' or am i mistaken?

And Fanta. As i remember, it was the Brits that gave the green light in 74' or am i mistaken?<<<<<<<<<< <br>


No you are not mistaken. The Brits ALSO gave the green light,but the only Green light that really mattered was from Washington.






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@tolga brother

who gave saddam the green light to invade?
or for that matter
argentina in 82 to capture the falklands?

the buisness of america is buisness.when the time is ripe
greece and turkeys carcus will be worth alot to them.

there will be no Turkey, there will be some backward reservations to house the few remaining Turks...

there will be a Kurdistan and the west coast will be part of Greece.....

who said the future will not be rosy???

We Turks are so lucky!

Uncle Sam gave us the permission in 1071
Uncle Sam gave us the permission in 1453
Uncle Sam gave us the permission in 1922
Uncle Sam gave us the permission in 1974

Uncle Sam will give us the permission in 2020

We love uncle Sam

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Turkiye Turklerindir

turkey is already a regional power today i recon we will be a global power in 2020 not regional

Global power???




let me guess, by 2020 it will be a two trillion economy right?....

**** if only i had a dollar for every time some deluded "donkey Turk" had that particular wet dream....

Why is it that all Greek count on Turkey falling apart. Is this the only way they can give hope to themselves? A strait thinking person would believe that no matter what Turkey does Greece can do it better.

Instead all that Greeks do is saying that if Greece can't afford modern arms then Turkey most likely wont come up with the money either, or Turkey will fall apart dew to the Kurds, or the military will overthrow the turkish government blah blah blah.

Turkey doesn't even give a fvck for tiny powerless Greece anymore as many Turkssh officials have declared, "we have more important thing to care than Greece".

Greece has turned herself into such an insignificant player that even our neighbors care to have good relations with us. Turks most likely just wait for us to deteriorate completely to the point were any claim they make will be unconditionally accepted by and unarmed, unmanned, Greece.

"Tell the Spartans, stranger passing by,

that here obedient to their laws we lie"

Why is it that all Greeks count on Turkey falling apart? Is this the only way they can give hope to themselves? A strait thinking person would believe or hope that no matter what Turkey does, Greece can do it better(which is currently fiction).

Instead all that Greeks do is saying that if Greece can't afford modern arms then Turkey most likely wont come up with the money either, or Turkey will fall apart dew to the Kurds, or the military will overthrow the turkish government blah blah blah.

Turkey doesn't even give a fvck for tiny powerless Greece anymore as many Turkssh officials have declared, "we have more important thing to care than Greece".

Greece has turned herself into such an insignificant player that even our neighbors don't care to have good relations with us. Turks most likely just wait for us to deteriorate completely to the point were any claim they make will be unconditionally accepted by and unarmed, unmanned, Greece.

"Tell the Spartans, stranger passing by,

that here obedient to their laws we lie"

unmanned, Greece.


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just cause you have given up, bent over with a lubricated rear waiting to get mounted, does not mean we all have...

ixera oti isoun malakas ala ohi ke pousto fara....

bravo re, ehis tapinothi entelos.....

arhitha...

I'm afraid the Grikos have a point.

Fettosh and gang are dynamiting Turkey's foundations to such an extent that the joints, beams, girders and walls have already started to crack.

God help us to see the year 2023 in one piece.

''turkey is already a regional power today i recon we will be a global power in 2020 not regional''


LOLOLOL!!

How the fvck can a ''regional power'' have banks and shops being aquired by a neighbour 11 million country, is unbelievable!

The only thing Turkgay is, is a regional bordelo, a 3rd world peasant and nothing more.

The regional power is Greece, an advanced EU member with the strongest economy, political stability, arms and democracy. It is an oasis in the middle of desert, surrounded by 3rd world countries like Turkgay, Albania and FYROM.

In 2020 Greece will be even stronger, while Turkgay will be a mixture of Kurdistan and Turcoland.

Once a Turco, always a Turco!

Yanni, do you honestly believe in that $hit

The one and only regional power

Turkey 2020;

More Than 100 National State of art Attack Helicopter T-129;
More Than 700 National MBT Altay;
More than 4 battery national low level air defence system Aselsan-Roketsan
More than 8-10 Milgem AsuW
More than 2 TF-2000 Destroyer with Phrased array radar developed by ATOM team
Many Variety of Naval carriage systems such as LST, LCT, LCVP, LHD...etc
Many Kind of Fast attack boats-crafts
Many Kind of Precision Guided A-G munitions including cruise missiles
Many Kind of Unmanned aerial gunned-ungunned vehicles
Many kind of secret ballistic missile systems
Turkish indigenous Light and medium weight utility helicopter platforms
Incredible number artillery systems such as Panter and Firtina
Every kind of infantry and sniper rifles
Programmable munitions
Extreme Invisible and stealth technol9ogies
More than 50 Aselsan SPAAG
Cirit-UMTAS anti-Tank personnel sensitive guided missiles
Hundreds of OMTAS anti-tank missiles...
Simulators
Elint/Sigint Systems developed by Aselsan
Every type of Radar system



Will be developed until 2020...


and More than 80-90 F-35 will be delivered to Turkish army until 2020...


What about you ? What will your responses be against Turkish army to ballance to stability ??? More Scalp ?

Turcos barking as usual, in 2020 we will become superpower etc....



Greek cure for barking problems,



Barking problem solved

No, All those are our official defence industry programs... While am talking about truths, You prefer Barking I think... If you want, Stop Barking and try to give answer to the question I asked above... Desperate Moron...

of my country

it is not your country, this country belongs to real Greeks who fight for their ideals and believe in their country even under the most difficult situations they criticize of course the wrongdoings but with an objective spirit trying to improve whatever they can , they are neither kissing the ass of Turkey nor traitors of their own country. when Themistocles was forced to be expelled by Athenians he didnt betray his own people serving the Persian king.

better let those who really care about Greece to talk about it, the best thing you have to do is to leave Greece immediately better go to Turkey that you so much love and admire people like you are a curse for my country.

ODYSSEUS KILLING THE SUITORS

More Than 100 National State of art Attack Helicopter T-129;
More Than 700 National MBT Altay;
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700 Altays and 100 T-129's? Are you insane? Where are the sources for this list?

So far we have a contract for 51 T-129's and 250 Altays, your numbers you give, you made them up, sick puppy.

250 a yr will be built for 4 yrs total 1000

By 2020 Turkey will be a much smaller nation, having lost a lot of eastern Anatolia to Kurdistan. Their aggregate GDP will probably be higher, likely near lower Europe. Further, Greeks will be moving back to Constantinople and taking over the more profitable businesses. Just like Greeks ran those things prior to 1922.

Greece will continue to develop. Will move towards the middle of the Europe pack in aggregate GDP.

All those defence industries that Cabatli brags about will be long gone, because warfare will be rare and weapons not needed.

The actual requirement of Altay is not 250 but 1000 for future... There are lots of statements released by SSM authorities about that...

and I think that After First 50 T-129 were produced by TAI, Turkey is going to increase the need up to 130-140 attack helicopter for T-129...Because Obsolete 27 Ah-1P's are going to be retired until first 50 T-129 have been produced... but Firstly Authorities are waiting to built an state of art attack helicopter with promoting some amout of need, then They are going to increase the amount...

Look, when I wake up in the morning I require at least 12 big breasted blondes in my bed. Few minutes later, after I washed my head with cold water I realize I don't have time to jerk off because I am late for work.

Same story with your "requirements" and your economic reality.

The regional MEGAMASTER

"Four prototypes are to be produced in the next six and a half years, to be followed by an initial production of 250 tanks. Eventually, Turkey plans to replace all its MBTs, as many 1,000, which will become obsolete in the next few decades"

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=33871


Keep your fantasy dreams for yourself... We are talking about truths here...

Quote Panzie division:
Look, when I wake up in the morning I require at least 12 big breasted blondes in my bed. Few minutes later, after I washed my head with cold water I realize I don't have time to jerk off because I am late for work.
This must be your regular day. Only we should replace "work" with "school".

Hey morons, you are Turks not Germans.

Definition of a Turk: poor swarthy person with small dick and a big complex inferiority syndrom. Thinks he is important, can rule the world and others respect him. He usually gets angry when the others make fun of him and comes up with all kinds of excuses to prove them wrong.

Amazing people, no self-knowledge whatsoever



People from the other side of the Aegean, no barking, just doing what they know best. Owning Turks

You know you are short, when a Chinamen is taller then you.

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You are right, so be a man and go knock on his door and call him short.

Oh, and don't forget to say "anani sikeyim" like you do here when hiding behind your keyboard. Don't be afraid just go.

Turkgay the regional Mega-power:





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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Once a Turco, always a Turco!

By 2020 turcos may be on simliar level like greece is TODAY.
But only if all their 3Ds go ahead and we don´t buy a bullet,lol.

Despeate Loser Gayreeks.... Bow your heads for your masters...

Turkey 2020;

More Than 100 National State of art Attack Helicopter T-129;
More Than 700 National MBT Altay;
More than 4 battery national low level air defence system Aselsan-Roketsan
More than 8-10 Milgem AsuW
More than 2 TF-2000 Destroyer with Phrased array radar developed by ATOM team
Many Variety of Naval carriage systems such as LST, LCT, LCVP, LHD...etc
Many Kind of Fast attack boats-crafts
Many Kind of Precision Guided A-G munitions including cruise missiles
Many Kind of Unmanned aerial gunned-ungunned vehicles
Many kind of secret ballistic missile systems
Turkish indigenous Light and medium weight utility helicopter platforms
Incredible number artillery systems such as Panter and Firtina
Every kind of infantry and sniper rifles
Programmable munitions
Extreme Invisible and stealth technol9ogies
More than 50 Aselsan SPAAG
Cirit-UMTAS anti-Tank personnel sensitive guided missiles
Hundreds of OMTAS anti-tank missiles...
Simulators
Elint/Sigint Systems developed by Aselsan
Every type of Radar system



Will be developed until 2020...

Lool