The Cyprus issue is actually the biggest issue between our nations. Both of us have made crucial mistakes throughout the years at that lovely island.

Let's assume we have a fair and viable solution between the two communities. How could you then imagine Cyprus'future?

In my point of view, the island would have a great future. Expecially if boarders stop to exist... So, Cyprus would be a normal state.

Please, let's have a civilized conversation.

No flame intended. This is my serious response:
I don't think that Cyprus will be ever united. I doubt that Turkey will accept any plan which is too different than Annan plan and Greeks seem like they ask for much more than that so I think Cyprus will remain like this for a long long time.

So, what things make the younger generations feel hostile against each other?

The Cyprus issue is actually the biggest issue between our nations. Both of us have made crucial mistakes throughout the years at that lovely island.

Let's assume we have a fair and viable solution between the two communities. How could you then imagine Cyprus'future?
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I will answer with another question, this is honest and logical, why should they reunite ?
I mean if the island would have two state from the very beginning, would you ever think that greeks and turks should live together ? or did you ever think that Greece and Turkey unite ?
Even slavs who speak the same language, sharing the same culture couldn't live together as seen in Serbs, Croats, Slovens, Montenegrans, Macedonians, Bosnians example, so what kind of logic push you to think Greeks and Turks can live together ?


For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan!
-Ziya Gokalp-

I believe that they can. Don't forget they were living peacefully until 1963 since 1571. Not to mention, that they weren't seriously participed during the turkish invasion of 74.

On the other hand, the Yugoslavs never lived together till the foundation of Yugoslavia. But, Cypriots didn't have different lives. They were living together.

-edit- "thy to they"
-edit- "leaving to living"

Sorry but cyprus was never peaceful, there were always problems between two ethniciy plus brits in the past starting with the period of ottoman's weaken.
if we hold a poll, I am sure very few ppl on earth would like the idea to live together with ppl who have different culture, language and religion. Personally I don't.
I assume that you are a cypriot, so seriously why do you want to live together with Turks ? or do you simply want the lands they hold and take the "living together with turks" as burden ?


For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan!
-Ziya Gokalp-

Turkey should end all this stupid nonsense and annex what's already been de facto ours for 35 years.

Turk Bir Dev

No, I'm not. I'm a Maniot.

But, as I've read the moments of crashes at Cyprus were rare. The short distance from Asia Minor didn't allow lots of rebellions. Even under British presence, things were calm. See, the relationships of modern Cypriots in London. They don't have any hostilities.

I mean, things went wrong only when United Kingdom realised that its control was lost...

However, normal life was peaceful.

Corpusvile, if Turkey does that, anything will be different...

She will lose lots of things...

Imagine Armenia annexs the region she possesses in Azerbaijan.

Imagine Armenia annexs the region she possesses in Azerbaijan"

And imagine Mercury annexing Jupiter. It's not about what you can imagine, it's about what you can actually do.

Turk Bir Dev

Surely both ethnicities couldn't find the oppurtunity to clash when there was a certain authority let it be Ottoman or U.K.
Meanwhile whenever those authorities retreated , they clashed in every occasion. Infact it is the natural human reaction , making a nation from Turks and Greeks is artificial.
It is like making a Helicopter operates under the water, ok if you push technology too hard, maybe you can do it, but why ? it is pointless. They can use their effort for something more useful.


For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan!
-Ziya Gokalp-

I think you're wrong. Neither Turkey nor Armenia can act in cold realism (I don't know if this expression exist...)

We' re leaving in a world where the 5 members of security council decide about the rest. An opposition to them will be catastrophic for the country which would make an aggressive act.

TheKhun,

throughtout the years, a climate of unity was established between the communities. The bad things for them was the unfair british actions and the nationalistic movements of both Greece and Turkey.

The permanent members of the UN Security Council have their own differences. They don't always agree on everything. In fact, statistically speaking they rarely agree on something! North Cyprus is under 100% Turkish control already. By officially annexing it, we'd just be giving what we already possess a name. That's all. And I tell you what... When Turkey reaches 75% self-reliance in defense procurements, I have a strong feeling we'll annex North Cyprus.

Turk Bir Dev

By annexing the occupied part of the island, Turkey will lose any of the legal right she has on the issue. And this will be very bad for her.

Also, imagine that all the big powers desire a reunited island (for their own reasons of course).

Even Israel...

throughtout the years, a climate of unity was established between the communities. The bad things for them was the unfair british actions and the nationalistic movements of both Greece and Turkey.
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Even the most unfortunate marriages have some happy moments but it doesn't change the fact.


By annexing the occupied part of the island, Turkey will lose any of the legal right she has on the issue.
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Sorry you seem like idealistic but this world is different than what you mean. When we talk about states, power can legitimes everything, if you are weak, having legal rights wouldn't help you, if you are strong being illegal wouldn't hurt you. So it is the matter of power, power can legitimes everything.


For Turks, the homeland isn't Turkey, nor yet Turkistan. Their country is a vast, eternal land: Turan!
-Ziya Gokalp-

If Cyprus is reunited: I imagine the only Cypriot-Cypriots or Greek-Cypriots surviving are the ones with nice running shoes, good marathon stamina, a fast motorbike and a boat secured in a safe port, of endurance enough to reach at least Israel.

Because they are gonna need all that because these stupid reunifying scenarios forget that the Turkish Cypriots citizens are now mostly settlers and that Turkish Cypriots were big time traitors who in 1974 helped establish landing zones for Turkish airborne parachuters and created zones near the Turkish landing beachead, secured strategic road and areas if they could. They ignore that these utopian scenarios involve dismantling the National Guard and replacing it with a weak police force incapable of opposing Turkey which is nearby and will never dismantle its military. So any of these utopian scenarios is unrealistic, a-historical, unfactual, suicidal and stupid.

Please firefox do not bring these loser topics to the forum. Since you are in Germany if you want to be a Neo-Ottoman go make some friends in the Turkish ghettos and leave us alone with these stupid topics.

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Not exactly. Today the legal part counts the most! See Gulf War II...

The era of realism has totally passed. Only at a period of big mess, the small states will have the opportunity to act as they aim.

Nikephoros,

Firstly, I live in Greece. In addition, I've never gone abroad. With all my courtesy, where do you live?

The cypriot issue must be solved throught dialogue as long as this has been decided by both communities.A dialogue between real GC and TC. Not the settlers of course.

Greek Cypriots have done many essential mistakes, I agree, however Greece and Turkey have made more and worse.

As for the rest, as we say in Greek, efxaristo alla den tha paro...

-edit- "leave to live"

Yes. Okay. All of Cyprus should be reunited... With Turkey.

Turk Bir Dev

Hahaha... This is out of reality!

Turks don't give a fvck what's real what's unreal.

Just who would have guessed that some steppe warriors would one day come in out of nowehere, completely conquer Anatolia, take over the Byzantine capital and enslave the "advanced" gayreek civilization for half a millenium?

We are Turks. We turn dreams into reality. We make unreal real.

Turk Bir Dev

Ok, as you wish... The day you act like that will be a sentence penalty for you.

If nobody has a different opinion we can stop imagining a future united and independent Cyprus...

From now on, re-unite of cyprus is very very unlikely


---What will happen to the ex-anatolians there.. will the Cypriot Greek accept them.. Most of them has no connection in Turkey. So hey have nowhere to go, but sons of the 70s generation will want thier homes back..

---There will be a lot of disagreements on the share of power, will the local governments have strong rights or will it be cenralist government..

--- What language will be used in state foundations. will the education be in Turkish or in Greek..

---what percent of the state officials will have Turkish origin.. How will you stop ethnic discrimination..Especially in army, there would be lots o problems.. Think that your suprerior talks in different languages, or the ground control and aircraft..


My idea is,
---if Greeks had not enjoyed the power with not executing 1960 constitution and hadnt killed the Turkish minority(i am not sure if Turks are minority now) the union would continue..
You know that the main problem was the authority of Turkish local governments...

---and when interfered, Turkish army should have taken makarios down, executing public order till the new elections. And when a new government was founded(maybe with a new constitution) they should have returned back.. and then Cyprus could even be a normalizer between Turkish-Greek relations..

But now, the critical point is far behind. there is a lot of blood and pain..
How can you erase the memories.. one will say that his grandfather had taken the city, while his friend's were dead defending it..

Well, the settlers could be conpensated by UN. The languages should be the same named at the foundation treaties. Generally, I'm against the percentages of the participation. The most talented should be favoured.

At those treaties there wasn't at the papers a regular cypriot army.

Administration is certainly more complicated.

However, the biggest issue is the new state to be totally independent without exterior control.

-edit- dictation

What about the Belgium's model with the appropriate changes to the Cyprus' case?

Firefox, please disregard the zionist jew, HYMIEphoro. He is our resident bitch-slap victim. Carry on......



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

Sorry but cyprus was never peaceful, there were always problems between two ethniciy <<<<<< <br>


This is not correct. From 1967-1974, Cyprus had virtually no intercommunal clashes. Even when Turkey invaded, it was not due to any clashes, even Denktash admitted such when he acknowledged that the killings going when the junta-led overthrow of Makario occured, was "an internal affair" between supporters of Makario and supporters of the junta. It will undoubtedly be another 500,000 times that I will have to post this historical fact before anyone from the turkish side can grasp it.



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

The only solution for peace in Cyprus is its complete annexation by Turkey.

Turk Bir Dev

The only solution for peace in Cyprus is its complete annexation by Turkey.<<<<<<<< <br>


If turkey ever does this just remember that it also opens up a can of worms for the kurds in eastern provinces, who want their own nation carved out of yours. This is probably one of the reasons why your government has not done so yet.




http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

This is a very small, insignificant length of time when compared to History itself. Cyprus had been our island for many centuries under Ottoman rule, but then we lost it. We did get back the northern part. History will repeat itself and the whole island will be under our control again when the time is right. "Becoming Turk" is that island's destiny. It WILL happen. The only question is how long it will take...

Turk Bir Dev

It won't happen, if for nothing else, because of being an EU member. The Irish are going to vote "yes" once and for all for the Schengen treaty (very soon) and when that happens, the EU can finally act as one state instead of the b.s. that it is right now. This means that the W.E.U. will become the new military big boy in the region, and maybe within the next decade, replacing NATO. Cyprus will not be under turkish control, of this I am certain. In fact, you'll be lucky to hold on to the 1/3 you ILLEGALY have now. Once the Schengen treaty becomes reality, turkey ought to think how it will get along with it, not how it will annex E.U. territory.



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

Excuse me, I meant LISBON treaty.



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

firefox-13, you seem like a very reasonable and smart guy. But for guys like you, it is really hard to discuss something "seriously" in this place because most of the time people respond stupidly because they are in this forum for fun only (both Greeks and Turks). I hope you can continue the way you do... I have question for you:
I have already indicated my opinion that union will never happen, but I just want to learn about your way of thinking about this: If a unity was ever to happen, you have said that the settlers should go... But it is also a known fact that it was a Greek policy to send mainland Greeks to Cyprus prior to 1974, right? I mean can anyone deny this? So, if this is the case, should they be kicked out of Cyprus too? Or do you think that only the Turkish settlers should be sent out?

Doesn't matter what club it frequents. Such political organizations are based on interests and will turn out to be a bullchit on a long-enough timeline. Mark my words, Grik. The moment Germany, France or England disagree on some major issue, the EU nonsense is over. Enjoy your temporary state of false, euphoric "safety" while you can. It won't last so long! Cyprus will once again become a Turkish island. It already 1/3 of the way is, and we'll just keep on gaining more territory.

Enjoy your morning.

Turk Bir Dev

the fate of cyprus is directly linked to its geostrategic position,on this i think we can all pretty much agree.it is because of this that the brittish,americans and israelis have military bases,it is the reason why cyprus suffers.
the cyprus issue has been labled the "cyprus problem" but what exactly is this problem?
is it that a half million people cant get on?
of course not.the problem is that cyprus hasnt a multi million population to scare her neighbours with nor does she have a nuclear deterent,,would we have been bullied if we did?
lets be honest,does turkey really give a hoot about the turkish cypriots?
does turkey even service her own interests with the division of cyprus?
when two people fight a third rejoices so who is rejoicing with the division of cyprus?is it a handful of internet warriors or others?
i hear turks saying "we should annex cyprus" well go ahead,will it really make a difference to the greek cypriots?
will it make a difference to turkey?,well turkey will go from claiming she was protecting the t/cyps and the cyp constitution to trying to justify consolidating the invasion into annexation,in short annexing part of a soverign nation who just happens to be part of the eu.annexation will create for turkey more problems than it will solve.

"i hear turks saying "we should annex cyprus" well go ahead,will it really make a difference to the greek cypriots?"

Yup. They will meet their creator. All their sufferings will end. They can live in the Kingdom of Jesus for all of eternity.

"will it make a difference to turkey?"

Yup. We'll have expanded our territory. That's like our national hobby. We like it.

"annexation will create for turkey more problems than it will solve."

Maybe, maybe not. Either way, problems are no problem. Just take a look at us. Religious extremism, ethnic seperatism, terrorism, issues with Greece, Armenia, genocide, water issues with Syria, so on and on. Problems are what keep our engine running. When you tell Turks taht they'll have a problem, they'll cheer and tell you to bring it on. So.

Bring it on, bitch! You'll always get bitch-fvcked and the end up crying to your daddy EU, who, as history has shown repeatedly, won't give a fvck.

Turk Bir Dev

my dear corpus,you have delusional dreams of granduer.have you not figured out how the real world functions?
dreams are like masturbation,to much and you will go blind so slow it down a tad.

Corpusville, this is no "club" and it will be a real 100% UNION once the Lisbon treaty is passed. It's not "euphoria" it simply is going to *happen*, whether you understand, agree, accept, not accept it......IS OF ZERO CONSEQUENCE.



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

But it is also a known fact that it was a Greek policy to send mainland Greeks to Cyprus prior to 1974, right?<<<<<<<< <br>
The mainland Greek troops whom were brought to the island clandestinely, were removed by Makarios in the late 60's.



> So, if this is the case, should they be kicked out of Cyprus too? Or do you think that only the Turkish settlers should be sent out? < <br>

All of the settlers justifiably should leave but to make things more palettable for a settlement, I would say all settlers who have arrived to the island after 1983 to return to turkey and ALL settlers whom have a CRIMINAL RECORD to leave immediately.




http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

fantare,dont waste your time.

there will never be a peaceful resolution to the cyprus issue.
the only way it will be solved will be through blood shed
and then only when only one race is left standing.
this is the truth and all know it.

Ah, for God's sakes! Again for the 1000th time... It's Corpusvile withjust a single L. Not Corpusville! I know you people are retarded but come on, are you blind too?

Lol, j/k. It's alright. Your retardedness can be tolerated because you happen to be our neighbors and one just can't choose his neighbors. 

I tell you what. Why don't you come back and tell me that it's not a club once the treaty signed?

In fact, let's see your "no club, it's a real union" bullchit do something about Turkey's occupying its territory for the past 35 years.

When the EU actually takes some action about it, then perhaps I'll pay attention to your bullchit rants here. But let alone doing something about it, it's actually shamelessly betraying Cyprus by negotiating with Turkey for TURKEY'S membership. LOL. How pathetic is that?

 

Turk Bir Dev

Ah, for God's sakes! Again for the 1000th time... It's Corpusvile withjust a single



im surprised you have taken it so badly given you have been called worse,lol

"fantare,dont waste your time.

there will never be a peaceful resolution to the cyprus issue.
the only way it will be solved will be through blood shed
and then only when only one race is left standing.
this is the truth and all know it."

LOL. Fvck yeah. I'm glad to see that some of you Griks are waking up to the reality finally.

And guess which nation will prevail with its crushing population, huge size, more resources, growing weapons industry and close proximity to that island?

Hehhehehe.

Turk Bir Dev

1.corpusVILLE, you still haven't caught on yet, I call you that because you have made it abundantly clear that it annoys you, you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer


2. You were the one stating that turkey will take "action". I am only stating the realities of the Lisbon Treaty and how turkey WOULD NOT take action because of it. Of course you might not understand what the Lisbon treaty entails, so in which case, you are once again NOT catching on



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

"And guess which nation will prevail with its crushing population, huge size, more resources, growing weapons industry and close proximity to that island?"


the big fish eats the little fish,so the little fish seek protection
with the really really big fish.
look to your north,there's an even bigger fish!

Aieti, the W.E.U. is still relatively in its fledgling stage. It won't remain that way , especially when the Lisbon Treaty is signed



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

Turkey has already taken action by occupying 1/3rd of the island, which is now EU territory. I'm not even getting ingo Greeks' taking action about it, because both you and I know that you don't have the balls to take action against Turkey on your own. So that's out of question. As for the EU, let alone doing something significant about Turkey's occupation of Cyprus and denying Cypriot ships access to our ports, they're actually negotiating with us for our own accession!

What does all of that tell you? That the Europeans give a squirrell's left nut about you?

And you're telling me that it's our turn to take action? Ha.

LOL. Okay. We're working on it. 

Turk Bir Dev

The very big fish wouldn't give a rat's ass about the small fish because it has better business ties with the big fish.

Turk Bir Dev

Corpusville, you had stated that turkey WILL take action and that the future of the entire island IS to be "turk", again, my answer to you was related to that but of course you now change your own statements as you go and still don't get it, no surprise tho


And, before you go and edit your post , here is what you said:



"This is a very small, insignificant length of time when compared to History itself. Cyprus had been our island for many centuries under Ottoman rule, but then we lost it. We did get back the northern part. History will repeat itself and the whole island will be under our control again when the time is right. "Becoming Turk" is that island's destiny. It WILL happen. The only question is how long it will take..."












http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

corpus,did you know in 74 prior to the invasion etcevit went to moscow seeking russias
blessing to invade cyprus even though turkey was in nato and had uncle sams green light??
when big fish fights with the big fish its because the deviding of the loot was unsatisfactory
when russias smacks turkeyit will be due to turkey steping on uncle ivans wallet and turkey invading greece will be the excuse to smack uncle mehmet,waut and see.

Okay, so what if Ecevit went to Moscow? What happened to your "Orthodox brotherhood" with Russia?

How come Russia allowed Turkey to go take a big chunk of Orthodox land?

Are you aware that today, Russia and Turkey enjoy MUCH BETTER ties than they had back in the 70's?

I'm telling you. Concepts like political union, religion, alliance, etc. are all bullchit. It can only fool the uneducated, emotional, gullible masses. In reality, it's about what you can do on your own.

Turk Bir Dev

1.Aietus is mentioning Russia , to make a point on what their role was and probably still is in the REGION and how much of a player they are.


2. Russia was a communist nation in 1974, there was no "Orthodox union" (and there is none today either)


3. Russia's sphere of influence never really included Cyprus, which was NATO's sphere of influence. Turf is turf and you don't step on the turf of the other big kid on the block. You should know that.



http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

"Okay, so what if Ecevit went to Moscow? What happened to your "Orthodox brotherhood" with Russia?

How come Russia allowed Turkey to go take a big chunk of Orthodox land?

Are you aware that today, Russia and Turkey enjoy MUCH BETTER ties than they had back in the 70's?

I'm telling you. Concepts like political union, religion, alliance, etc. are all bullchit. It can only fool the uneducated, emotional, gullible masses. In reality, it's about what you can do on your own. "

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corpus,remember how i kept telling you that cyprus was the elephant trap turkey fell into?
thats why they let you invade.the only thing dumber than a donkey is a turkey,i bet even now as we speak you cant see the trap springing.even though ive tried to point out the dangers to you turks
oh well,might as well enjoy the ride.

>>>>>>I'm telling you. Concepts like political union, religion, alliance, etc. are all bullchit. It can only fool the uneducated, emotional, gullible masses. In reality, it's about what you can do on your own. <<<<<<< <br>

On "your own"?, THAT is what fools people more than anything else, especially in today's world of ever-increasing globalization!






http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

corpus,remember how i kept telling you that cyprus was the elephant trap turkey fell into?
thats why they let you invade.the only thing dumber than a donkey is a turkey,i bet even now as we speak you cant see the trap springing.even though ive tried to point out the dangers to you turks
oh well,might as well enjoy the ride. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <br>



Aieti........think CHESS , right?




http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

"I'm telling you. Concepts like political union, religion, alliance, etc. are all bullchit. It can only fool the uneducated, emotional, gullible masses. In reality, it's about what you can do on your own."




jews couldnt do anything on their own,thats why they network to get what they want

corpus you can either work with you back or with your head,if you work with your head then you work with the back of others.

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Aieti........think CHESS , right?

@fantare,MATE!!

LOL. Greeks and their myths and self-assurances. Your imagination, positive thinking, mental ability to create a "glorious victory" out of an embarressing defeat is impressive to say the least. Oh yes, Turkey actually lost land in Cyprus in 1974. LOL. I love it. Occupying it will make us disappear off the face of the planet. Ha.

Seriously. What's your secret? How can you fool yourselves so effectively? It's beyond my understanding.

Oh well, the fooler the better... It seems you'll always be our sweet little neighboring Pollyannas.Keep it up.

Turk Bir Dev

"corpus you can either work with you back or with your head,if you work with your head then you work with the back of others."

Yeah, I like that. Well said Aietus. That I agree.

Turk Bir Dev

"glorious victory" out of an embarressing defeat is impressive to say the least. Oh yes, Turkey actually lost land in Cyprus in 1974. LOL. I love it. Occupying it will make us disappear off the face of the planet. Ha."

well considering ALL of cyprus was in turkish hands and now you only have 1/3rd of the island then that would mean you lost more then the greeks!

so who is more delusional i ask you?

 

 

Well, if you would extend the analysis timeframe, you could reach a more conclusive result. Prior to Ottoman take over, it was 100% a Greek island. Now 1/3rd of it belong to Turkey.

Turk Bir Dev

But its still a greek island,only turks cant accept it,the rest of the world does,hows the trnc recognition going?

Doesn't matter. It's some old Greek land that we've been using for 35 years. Couldn't care less what others think about it. And apperantly the organization that should think about it the most is actually negotiating with us to join them. LOL.

Turk Bir Dev

your right,i cant understand the negotiations either!,it was declared solved in 74 wasnt it?

 

 

 

And apperantly the organization that should think about it the most is actually negotiating with us to join them. LOL.<<<<<<<<< <br>

If you've been paying attention you would have been able to see that really they aren't negotiating with you, they are instead taking turns at holding back your accession. First it was Greece then they passed it to France, then it was Germany then it was Denmark then it was Austria and since 2004 Cyprus as well. It's all a big joke and the joke is on turkey.







http://kypros.org/Occupied_Cyprus/lambousa/

Yeah, well. Maybe, maybe not. I didn't declare such a thing personally. LOL. The whole charade had ended a few months before I was born. But I tell you what. Things change in time. Maybe it's not "solved" anymore. 

Turk Bir Dev

"If you've been paying attention you would have been able to see that really they aren't negotiating with you, they are instead taking turns at holding back your accession. First it was Greece then they passed it to France, then it was Germany then it was Denmark then it was Austria and since 2004 Cyprus as well. It's all a big joke and the joke is on turkey."

Again, doesn't matter. It doesn't change the fact that they're not doing anyhting about us occupying "their" territory.

Turk Bir Dev

Fantare,why did you have to tell him?,i was looking forward to having my turn.

anyways gents,im off .duty calls.

LOL. Being so small and insignificant, you guys get excited about pretty much anything, don't you?

Turk Bir Dev

Alright Aietus. Have a good Sunday man. Almost time for breakfast for me.

Oh and, you know this is all for a good time. No offense intended even when I sound kind of harsh.

Turk Bir Dev

  "LOL. Being so small and insignificant, you guys get excited about pretty much anything, don't you? "     well make up your mind!!,we are either small and insignifigant or  we were a GREAT TURKISH VICTORY!!

Ah, touche my friend. You finally got me.

Turk Bir Dev

Alright Aietus. Have a good Sunday man. Almost time for breakfast for me.

Oh and, you know this is all for a good time. No offense intended even when I sound kind of harsh.

corpus dude,you should know im only toying with you too,you see i only come in two mods. joke or kill!,have a good sunday bro.

A question to the Greek Cypriots (not the Greeks!).

I have my severe doubts, not that I believe that a fair solution cannot be found but we have here a reality of Cyprus being separated for 35 years (say 40 until supposing if unification ever happens).

Now that's an entire generation and for some 2 generations who have grown completely apart! How do you guys think there can be a serious unification on the island again? IMHO there can be only a lose confederation and a central government.

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Turkiye Turklerindir

Hi guys

@TheKhun bro,

***Even slavs who speak the same language, sharing the same culture couldn't live together as seen in Serbs, Croats, Slovens, Montenegrans, Macedonians, Bosnians example, so what kind of logic push you to think Greeks and Turks can live together ? ***

The problem was not into the slavs, but the interests of the great powers. The slavic peoples of Yugoslavia lived happily and prosperous for almost 70 years. However the victorious anglo-saxon powers after the win of Cold war decided to destroy the happy yugoslav family and home...The situation on Cypros is the same...

Ankara (in Cypros case) and NATO (in Yugoslav case) were only tools in the hands of evil and greedy people known on this world as capitalists...

***The only thing needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing***

Please, let's have a civilized conversation.

i appreciate your efforts to open a serious thread intending to discuss this serious issue however you should have known by now that you cannot have a serious conversation with the Turks at least not with those who are members of this particular forum

in any case Turkey is the key factor in this problem if Turkey does not change its stance no dialogue can be possible for the viable solution of the problem, Turkey as the current facts display to us is not willing to change stance on the contrary its stance becomes harder and harder against the Gcs day by day, so under the current circumstances i dont see how a dialogue between the 2 communities can be effective in fact i believe that no dialogue can take place at all

Cypriots are very happy the way they are, a prosperous country member of the EU with complete autonomy concerning their administration, they are in no need to rush things because any dialogue under the current circumstances will be full of traps and the Cypriots will have to accept humiliating terms in favor of the Turkish interests, such a thing is unacceptable it is more preferable to see a Cyprus under the current status quo than forcing situations which will be tragic for the Cypriots for the days to come.

ODYSSEUS KILLING THE SUITORS

@Wolf_Kanuni,

If they were any, yes, they should share the same method: compensation.

@Nutuk,

I think you're wrong. They lived together, they're living together in abroad without any problems, they can live together in their homeland.

As for the type of solution you propose, I can't share it. The cypriot state needs a strong unity between the two communities. And above all, the absense of foreign powers at administration as mentioned at Annan Plan. Otherwise, the state can't simply survive.

You avoided the answer on a generation that grew apart, how to solve that?

IMO that's the same like thinking Greeks and Turks can live together again, they did for 400 years!

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Turkiye Turklerindir

let me answer the question for you Nutuk.

 

there were T/cyps that were fanatical in their belief of taksim,now they see the error of their way

1.their faith in Ankara has diminished greatly due to ankaras policies on cyprus,importing foriegn settlers,surge in the crime rate,non existant human rights and personal freedoms,a stagnant economy etc.

2.failure to either unite with turkey or gain international recognition

3.non internal independence,ankara has aliviatet the need for T/cyps to be masters of their own destiny.there maybe a t/cyp head of government but in the trnc beaurocracy its infested by mainland public servents that keep the t/cyp's on a tight leash.

further more the opening of the greenline crossing has allowed the t/cyps to cross over and see how the other half live,to hear the other point of view and to see and dispell the propaganda that g & t cyps cant get along.the opportunity given to the t/cyps to work in the south has also added to the confidence not to mention the increase in their standard of living.

the opening of certain foreign classified files has also shed light as to why certain events occured.the exhumming of wartime graves in the north  and south have also shown that the attrocities were two way and an alternative should be found so as not to allow for a repeat.

from the g/cyp point of view a fair,just and viable solution was always wanted but believed impossible as ankara had other motives and the t/cyp were their pawn and as such they would never be allowed to co live peacefully.

the g/cyps do want to peacefully co exist as the advantages are great.

1.return of property and wealth will translate into one of the worlds highest standards of living

 

2.the boom in the economy due to rebuilding,attainment of resources from the north,ie land,water,minerals etc will create further opportunities(for both communities)

 

3.the abolishen of military expenditure will free up an additional several hundred million which will again provide for a better future for all(provided safeguard gurantees can be put in place)it will also mean 2 years of a mans life are not taken up by the military is also a sweetner.

 

in australia,uk and elsewhere there is g&t cyp interaction,i for one have hired many t cyp's to work in my former company,i gave them personal loans and grants,i was invited to their weddings and parties and thus know that all is feasble in the pursuit of justice and peace,but ankara  must want this to happen also and thus far the goodwill to say the least is not forthcomming.